Re: [Biofuel] eye opener

[Kirk McLoren]

It is a lecture by a law professor backed up with a detective in the second 
half. Basically it is to convince you to not talk to the police if you value 
your freedom. Not guilty so why worry? Wrong answer. You better worry.
Kirk

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From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] eye opener
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 11:45 AM

:-(

Once again...

Aarghh!!! YouTube! 48 min 39 sec!

>http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
>
>very informing

But your post isn't. Sorry, but it ain't enough.

 From a recent discussion here with you:

>YouTube is useful, but IMHO it needs some value-added, some
>assessment, not just a link and three or four words. People are busy,
>they should have some idea of what they're in for. Why is it
>interesting/useful/funny/ridiculous/outrageous/whatever? Something
>like a mini movie review, one pithy paragraph would do.

Your reply:

>Yeah Keith but when you reply we get some meat.

And mine:

>I'm not willing to do it for you, I really, really, don't have the 
>time, and there's no need anyway. Do it yourself, first, before 
>posting, it's your obligation.

See (please!):

<http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg74520.html>
Re: [Biofuel] We The People Stimulus Package
2009/09/08

<http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg74527.html>
Re: [Biofuel] We The People Stimulus Package
2009/09/08

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] This Year's Garden

[Doug Turner]

Hi Robert,

  Please send our Southern Ontario summer back home where it belongs.  We
don't like this summer swap here (but you can keep the humidity and the
howler monkeys if you like).  Glad you enjoyed it.

Doug in Hamilton



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Hello everyone!

With all the grim news associated with the economic downturn, with
all the howler monkey nonsense going on with respect to health care
reform in my country, it's a real pleasure to get outside and work with
plants.  After a long and bitterly cold winter, through which many of
our outdoor plants did not survive, we had a very wet spring, followed
by the hottest, driest June on record.  In early July, our faithful
compost-enhanching bunny died, so now the only manure that goes into the
compost is what I bring up the hill from the horse barns.

 Our fruit trees did astonishingly well this year.  The cherry tree,
which normally drops the majority of what little fruit it produces, was
absolutely laden this season.  We picked cherries endlessly, it seemed,
and they were the sweetest and juiciest cherries I've ever eaten!
(Plenty for the birds, too!)  The same has been true of our apples and
plums.  We've had so little trouble with aphids on our plum trees, this
is the first year I've not sprayed soap on them to control an infestation.

We had better than 2 weeks of temperatures in the high 30's and low
40's in July.  It was humid and miserable here, but the plants seemed to
take it all in stride.  Our garden produced enough to keep two of our
neighbors, two of my sweetheart's friends, my in-laws and my own family
in fresh vegetables and fruit all summer long.  We had HUGE blackberries
and monster, hydra-headed sunflowers that towered nearly 4 meters in
height.  (One of those plants had 18 flowers on a single stem!)  It's
curious how cross-pollination works.  This is the first year we've had
multi-headed sunflowers in our garden.

 Not everything did well.  I can't seem to grow melons to save my
soul.  We've had NO squash this year, and our grape vine didn't flower.
Also, though we've had some of the sweetest maize I can remember, we
wound up with an earwig infestation and most of the cobs we pulled off
were not completely formed.  They tasted good, though!

So, I hope the rest of you who grow things experienced similar
success.  We've already started taking our garden out.  I'm going to be
composting the trees before they lose their leaves.  We're expecting an
El Nino winter, which means lots of rain and little in the way of snow.
I'm already thinking about NEXT year's garden.  Howler monkeys
notwithstanding, isn't that optimistic?


robert luis rabello
"The Edge of Justice"
"The Long Journey"
New Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/

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[Biofuel] This Year's Garden

[robert and benita rabello]

Hello everyone!

With all the grim news associated with the economic downturn, with 
all the howler monkey nonsense going on with respect to health care 
reform in my country, it's a real pleasure to get outside and work with 
plants.  After a long and bitterly cold winter, through which many of 
our outdoor plants did not survive, we had a very wet spring, followed 
by the hottest, driest June on record.  In early July, our faithful 
compost-enhanching bunny died, so now the only manure that goes into the 
compost is what I bring up the hill from the horse barns.

 Our fruit trees did astonishingly well this year.  The cherry tree, 
which normally drops the majority of what little fruit it produces, was 
absolutely laden this season.  We picked cherries endlessly, it seemed, 
and they were the sweetest and juiciest cherries I've ever eaten!  
(Plenty for the birds, too!)  The same has been true of our apples and 
plums.  We've had so little trouble with aphids on our plum trees, this 
is the first year I've not sprayed soap on them to control an infestation.

We had better than 2 weeks of temperatures in the high 30's and low 
40's in July.  It was humid and miserable here, but the plants seemed to 
take it all in stride.  Our garden produced enough to keep two of our 
neighbors, two of my sweetheart's friends, my in-laws and my own family 
in fresh vegetables and fruit all summer long.  We had HUGE blackberries 
and monster, hydra-headed sunflowers that towered nearly 4 meters in 
height.  (One of those plants had 18 flowers on a single stem!)  It's 
curious how cross-pollination works.  This is the first year we've had 
multi-headed sunflowers in our garden.

 Not everything did well.  I can't seem to grow melons to save my 
soul.  We've had NO squash this year, and our grape vine didn't flower.  
Also, though we've had some of the sweetest maize I can remember, we 
wound up with an earwig infestation and most of the cobs we pulled off 
were not completely formed.  They tasted good, though!

So, I hope the rest of you who grow things experienced similar 
success.  We've already started taking our garden out.  I'm going to be 
composting the trees before they lose their leaves.  We're expecting an 
El Nino winter, which means lots of rain and little in the way of snow.  
I'm already thinking about NEXT year's garden.  Howler monkeys 
notwithstanding, isn't that optimistic?

 
robert luis rabello
"The Edge of Justice"
"The Long Journey"
New Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/

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[Biofuel] What You Should Know About Your Glands

[SurpriseShan2]

n's centers of seeing, tasting, hearing, and feeling.  
This floor is called the hypothalamus. That it secretes has been proved. Here, 
 then, is an easily crossable two-way chemical bridge between "body" and 
"mind." 
 
 
Science had believed for centuries that the nervous system was  the supreme 
coordinator of bodily functioning, despite the many marvels of  
coordination and balance which nervous workings couldn't explain. As the  
chemical 
secrets of the endocrines have been revealed, it has become more and  more 
apparent that the endocrine system and the involuntary nervous system work  
together most intimately.
 
 
Take the "alarm reaction." "Stress" has come to the body. A  "message" is 
transmitted to the cores of the adrenals by the nerves. The cores  secrete a 
chemical into the blood stream. This chemical steps up the action of  the 
heart and narrows the blood vessels so the blood will be pushed through them  
with more force. It also relaxes and enlarges airways so the lungs can take 
in  more air, more quickly. When this chemical reaches the pituitary, it 
secretes  chemicals which cause the adrenal casings, the thyroid, the 
parathyroids and  even sex glands (which are not exclusively sexual in 
function) to 
secrete  theirs. All these chemicals complete the instantaneous preparation 
of "body" and  "mind" to deal with stress. The end results are the seemingly 
superhuman feats  of muscular strength and of quick thinking which we all 
know the human being can  and does perform when he has to. 
 
 
The pituitary is known to secrete a dozen or so chemicals, the  adrenal 
casings, thirty-two. The other endocrines each give off one principal  
chemical, so far as is known. But there isn't a doubt of there being endocrine  
chemicals not yet identified. These chemicals are called hormones and their  
hidden powers can astonish you. 
 
 
For instance, one pituitary hormone regulates the growth of  the infant 
into the adult. If there is too little of it, you have a dwarf; if  too much, a 
giant. The absence of the thyroid hormone used to doom otherwise  sound 
babies to idiocy. Then endocrinology discovered that when the occasional  baby 
born without a thyroid is supplied regularly with the thyroid hormone of  
meat animals, he develops normally. 
 
 
These are only a few wonders out of many. To my mind, the most  wonderful 
of all are the chemicals of the adrenal casings. They maintain life,  nothing 
less. Life without any one of the other endocrine glands is possible  
although it is a fractional, even a monstrous life. Life without the adrenal  
casings secretions is impossible. 
 
 
The principle reason why this is so is that they are the prime  regulators 
of the chemical processing which converts what we eat and drink from  
chemical substances which are useless to us into substances which cause our  
bodies to function, to grow and to change, and to provide the materials for  
necessary repairing and rebuilding.
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[Biofuel] Limit Your Exposure To Cell Phone Radiation

[SurpriseShan2]

donate_page_KEY=5217
[20]  
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[21]  http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/executivesummary
[22]  http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/8-Safety-Tips
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[24]  
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[25]  
http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/provider/AT%26T/
[26]  
http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/Motorola/RAZR+V8/
[27]  
http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/provider/CellularONE/
[28]  
http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/Samsung/SGH-t229/
[29]  
http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/provider/T-Mobile/
[30]  
http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/Samsung/Rugby+%28SGH-a837%29/
[31]  
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[32]  http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/Samsung/Prop
el+Pro+%28SGH-i627%29/
[33]  
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[34]  
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[35]  
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[36]  
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[38]  
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[39]  
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[40]  
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[41]  
http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/Motorola/Karma+QA1/
[42]  
http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/provider/AT%26T/
[43]  
http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/Sanyo/Katana+II/
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Re: [Biofuel] eye opener

[Keith Addison]

:-(

Once again...

Aarghh!!! YouTube! 48 min 39 sec!

>http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
>
>very informing

But your post isn't. Sorry, but it ain't enough.

 From a recent discussion here with you:

>YouTube is useful, but IMHO it needs some value-added, some
>assessment, not just a link and three or four words. People are busy,
>they should have some idea of what they're in for. Why is it
>interesting/useful/funny/ridiculous/outrageous/whatever? Something
>like a mini movie review, one pithy paragraph would do.

Your reply:

>Yeah Keith but when you reply we get some meat.

And mine:

>I'm not willing to do it for you, I really, really, don't have the 
>time, and there's no need anyway. Do it yourself, first, before 
>posting, it's your obligation.

See (please!):


Re: [Biofuel] We The People Stimulus Package
2009/09/08


Re: [Biofuel] We The People Stimulus Package
2009/09/08

Keith


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Re: [Biofuel] magnetic field on aluminum

[doug]

Kirk McLoren wrote:
> The pull is so weak a compass  takes some time for the needle to steady. Also 
> the needle has to be very free to respond at all.
> Seems like too weak a force to be the cause.
> Kirk
>
>   
the magnet in a compass is generally quite weak... I suppose that you 
could take this same test assembly, rotate it 180 degrees, and see if 
the opposite pole is the one that rolls off the aluminum sheet.  If the 
effect is due to the magnetic field of the earth, it should.  Or rotate 
it 90 degrees, and find out if the effect happens with either pole 
toward the aluminum sheet...

doug

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[Biofuel] eye opener

[Kirk McLoren]

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

very informing 


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Re: [Biofuel] U. S. Head of Military Intelligence Publically States 9/11 was Staged Event

[Keith Addison]

Hi Bob

>Thanks Keith,
>   Snipurl does the trick.

Good! :-)

>As for the rest, your summing up is
>superb. We know the planes hits the towers. That's about it and no-one in
>government is interested in exposing the dirty tricks brigade (though Sibel
>Edmonds might just come through).

Maybe - Turkish stuff, I wonder how far that might lead.
An Inconvenient Patriot - David Rose, Vanity Fair, September 2005


Meanwhile, I wouldn't say 7,000 FBI investigators can't be wrong, but 
I also wouldn't say that they could all be complicit in a cover-up, 
with no leaks or squeaks in the 8 years since then. If you were the 
mastermind, would you bank on that? What Sibel Edmonds talked and 
didn't talk about could just have been a minor interest group trying 
to protect itself.

One of the objections to most of the conspiracy theories is the high 
level of improbability that they could have been accomplished with 
the level of security required. Such as massive buildings being laced 
with controlled demolition explosives, yet nobody saw anything and 
none of the experts and workers who did it leaked since, not a single 
word. If explosives were used, where did they come from? That's not 
untraceable, but was any attempt even made to find out? And so on and 
on.

GStull said David Griffin "looks at 9/11 as a crime scene and 
examines every aspect of the event fairly and in minute detail", but 
how could he do that? The evidence was no longer there, the crime 
scene itself was no longer there - all he had to go on were reports 
from the crime scene, reports of the evidence that was found, all 
second-hand. If he even had that (I don't think so). Yet he'd find 
all sorts of things that 7,000 very well-resourced professional crime 
investigators at the scene failed to find, hm.

Of course it wasn't the FBI investigators that wrote the FBI report, 
but it's hard to check the one against the other if you don't have 
access to the investigation material itself. The FBI said there was 
overwhelming evidence that Al Qaida did it, yet there's also 
overwhelming evidence that Al Qaida didn't actually exist, or not at 
the time anyway, and certainly not in that form (the worldwide 
sleeper-cell network etc). Bin Laden's little group of ultra-radicals 
in Afghanistan hardly fitted the bill, and didn't have much influence 
anyway. Most of the jihadists there had no interest in attacking the 
US, their grievances were local, in their own countries. And 
elsewhere the FBI says they have no evidence linking Bin Laden with 
9/11.

Meanwhile the stuff that could be investigated isn't, much. Such as 
the possibility of an Israel connection, which gets bandied about 
quite a lot, but no new evidence is forthcoming that might give it 
some substance. Similarly with the extremely odd fact that all it 
took to attack what must surely be the most heavily and powerfully 
defended place there's ever been was a stolen jet and a boxcutter. 
MadDogMarine was at least pointing in that direction, but he screwed 
it up.

Leaving us with this: "We know the planes hits the towers. That's about it..."

That's why I took that position, if you're going to stick to facts 
it's the only position you can defend. You'll be accused of defending 
the official version though, as I was. :-)

Conspiracies, sigh. Whenever I get into this kind of stuff I get the 
feeling that conspiracism is itself a conspiracy. It's certainly very 
conveniently excellent at misdirection and muddying the waters .

All best

Keith


>Regards,
>Bob.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>Keith Addison
>Sent: Sunday, 13 September 2009 8:58 a.m.
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U. S. Head of Military Intelligence Publically States
>9/11 was Staged Event
>
>Hi Bob
>
>>-
>>911-Truthers-What-is-the-911-Truth-Movement>
>  >
>>
>
>Here you go:
>
>ho-are-911-Truthers-What-is-the-911-Truth-Movement>
>
>Snipurl:
>
>
>Tinyurl:
>
>
>I prefer Snipurl, but they both work well.
>
>>Hi Keith/Bruno et al,
>> Your points well taken, n'less the smell seems to
>be
>>growing hence the website above.
>>Re posting "big items": wasn't aware we suffered a space shortage.
>
>No space shortage, I think Bruno meant "big" in the sense of weighty
>or troublesome. Actually there is a size limit on messages, it's set
>at 100 kb, not very small.
>
>>As for
>>the pros and cons of the issue, the title of the thread suggested the
>>bunfight was far from over hence my additional tuppence worth. I'm still
>>sitting on the fence and hoping someone, somewhere will provide a
>definitive
>>answer. I've yet to see it.
>
>That's right, sad to say. I doubt there'll be a bre

Re: [Biofuel] U. S. Head of Military Intelligence Publically States 9/11 was Staged Event

[Keith Addison]

Hi Bob

>Just to add to the stew: in New Zealand (the clean, green, much-boasted
>nuclear-free land of absolute neutrality) a journalist was held in a mental
>hospital as "delusional" for saying that 9/11 was an inside job.
>
>
>
>"I was wrongly diagnosed as delusional by the psychiatric staff of Ward 7 at
>Northland Base Hospital in Whangarei and held against my will for 11 days in
>mid-2006, because I maintained the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by
>criminal elements inside the US Administration."

Is she actually a journalist?

Uncensored Magazine | Clare Swinney
Clare Swinney has written 748 posts for Uncensored Magazine
http://uncensored.co.nz/author/clare-swinney/

Uncensored Magazine is just another 9/11 conspiracy rag (founded by a 
porn king and a suppressed inventions conspiracist). Other magazines 
have rejected Clare Swinney's offerings. Has she ever worked as a 
professional journalist?

The mental hospital story sounds chilling, but is that quite what 
happened? The statement she made that 9/11 was an inside job wasn't 
made in a news report, it was a rather substance-free complaint she 
made to TVNZ, and then to the Broadcasting Standards Authority when 
TVNZ didn't agree with her. See: 
.

Here's her evidence: 
, 
but how exactly did the BSA rejection of her complaint lead to her 
being detained (was she detained?) at the mental hospital? I'm sure 
BSA was a little irritated at having their time wasted (they had to 
watch 2 DVDs of conspiracist stuff), but they'd hardly get so cross 
they'd call in the shrinks to put her in a rubber room.

There's not much else to be found about it, which is a bit surprising 
if she's to be believed. IMHO she's not to be believed.

Anyway, she is delusional - all conspiracists are delusional, by 
definition, and she's certainly a conspiracist, there are no proved 
or provable facts to support her views, which she's clearly convinced 
are factual, but they're not factual, it's all conjectural. As we've 
just been establishing.

That doesn't mean it's pathological though, something to be 
"diagnosed". Everybody to some extent believes things that in another 
part of their minds they know aren't true, but it's harmless, and 
it'd probably be difficult to get along otherwise, as with the little 
white lies that everyone tells. No way of knowing which bracket Clare 
Swinney might fall into.

Whatever, I don't think all this adds up to suppression of her views 
by TPTB in order to silence her, though I'm sure she intends to give 
that impression. That would be both naive and futile (TPTB are not 
usually naive or futile). Why would they give a shit anyway?

Naah.

Best

Keith


>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>Keith Addison
>Sent: Sunday, 13 September 2009 8:58 a.m.
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U. S. Head of Military Intelligence Publically States
>9/11 was Staged Event
>
>Hi Bob
>
>>-
>>911-Truthers-What-is-the-911-Truth-Movement>
>>
>>
>
>Here you go:
>
>ho-are-911-Truthers-What-is-the-911-Truth-Movement>
>
>Snipurl:
>
>
>Tinyurl:
>
>
>I prefer Snipurl, but they both work well.
>
>>Hi Keith/Bruno et al,
>> Your points well taken, n'less the smell seems to
>be
>>growing hence the website above.
>>Re posting "big items": wasn't aware we suffered a space shortage.
>
>No space shortage, I think Bruno meant "big" in the sense of weighty
>or troublesome. Actually there is a size limit on messages, it's set
>at 100 kb, not very small.
>
>>As for
>>the pros and cons of the issue, the title of the thread suggested the
>>bunfight was far from over hence my additional tuppence worth. I'm still
>>sitting on the fence and hoping someone, somewhere will provide a
>definitive
>>answer. I've yet to see it.
>
>That's right, sad to say. I doubt there'll be a breakthrough any time
>soon. A Mother Jones writer pointed out that this is the first 9/11
>anniversary "when the country is no longer being run by those who so
>cynically exploited horror and legitimate anger".
>>
>Not to presume that the current bunch are above cynically exploiting
>horror and legitimate anger, but a lot of the steam might go out of
>it with Bush-Cheney no longer in the hot seat.
>
>I'd like to see an update of the 2006 Scripps poll:
>
>>"Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy", 08/01/2006
>>.
>
>Earlier polls put it much higher than a third - some reported that as
>many as 89% thought the government was lying or complicit (CNN poll,
>2004).