RE: [biofuel] Re: generator (what size motor?)
I suggest a vw rabbit diesel, which puts out 52 hp at about 3600 rpm, but at 1500rpm, might be about right. I am not absolutely sure about hp requirements for gennies, but I have a 4,000 watt gas gen. that has an 8hp engine. so, 750watts x 8 hp x.65 = 4200 watts. Don't forget that you need enough hp to over come inefficiency, altitude, surge loads and probably a few things I can't think of now. using these numbers and you 11 kva, I come up with 22 hp, which is similar to commercially avaliable diesel gennies I looked up in a catalog I have. I put forth the theory that a used vw diesel (which I have periodically found for $100 US in junkyards) at 1500 rpm will probably provide quiet reliable power enough for your application. depending on your location, that engine may not be as easy to find as here in northen california (usa). Antoher thing I know about vw diesels is that when you do a websearch for industrial diesels, you can find vw america industrial division, and I suspect that you can get from vw , a precision governor that will bolt on, although it is also possible you will have to buy a whole new injector pump, in which case you may have to make a governor yourself. anton I have just aquired a 11KVA alternator. I now need an engine to turn the alternator. I would like to use a petrol engine. BUT there are several problems(so I can change it over to ethenol when every thing is working :) ). The engine must run at 1500 rpm. From what I have gathered there is not much power available from a petrol engine at this rpm. I have spent several hours looking on the internet for power curves for 1.6L to 3L engines but have not been not been succesful. I would probably need about 17KW brake power at 1500rpm if I want to change it to ethanol. I was thinking of using an old MBenze engine(220 or so). Any advice would be welcomed... cheers Justin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] FW: [Fwd: FW: Guns vs Drs.vs you and me]]
I do see a qualitative and functional difference between guns and doctors. anton -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 7:46 PM To: Biofuel@Yahoogroups.Com Subject: [biofuel] FW: [Fwd: FW: Guns vs Drs.vs you and me]] Something about rapist enablers came to mind when I saw this. Most people think America is dying in a hail of bullets but that is due to our press and the agenda. Guns save more lives than they take. The gun free coast is where you will get shived for the small change in your pocket. Up here where a lot of folks carry concealed it is peaceful. And polite. Kirk Number of physicians in the US: 700,000. Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year: 120,000. Accidental deaths per physician 0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services) Number of gun owners in the US: 80,000,000. Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups)1,500. Accidental deaths per gun owner: 0.188 Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. FACT: Not everyone has a gun, but everyone has at least one Doctor. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand. As a Public Health Measure I have withheld the statistics on Lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical aid! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release Date: 3/6/2002 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Re: HempCar Rag...
this way more interesting than the simple unsubscribe! heeheehee, sorry very off-topic anton -Original Message- From: julien MARQUISE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:38 AM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Re: HempCar Rag... Please,stop sending someone else's e-mail to me.--- julien MARQUISE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: julien,[EMAIL PROTECTED] dear,biofuels it is already almost a week you are sending me someone else e-mail and I receive bunch of it every day the one below is just an exemple and they are addressed to different people.Could you be kind to correct this problem as soon as possible.My box get filled up so fast that I can not even erase it all in one hours.But I have other things to do,Julien --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Thor. My original message to HempCar that got this whole thing going is below. Please forgive me that it is a little harsh. The part of the HempCar website that I was upset about was the Hemp Quick Facts page. It does not directly preach legalizing marijuana, but its intentions are quite obvious. It seems I've lost my posting rights on the biofuels-biz list, so you'll have to forward it for me if you see fit. Nathan Nathan, you haven't lost any posting rights, whyever would you think that? No list cops here, just me. It is possible to get yourself kicked out, but only for really bad behaviour, and even then you'd get a warning first. It has happened, but it's very rare. So just relax, okay? You're free to post whatever you want. Email attachments are not permitted, however - this is to avoid viruses. But if anyone has a file they'd like to send, they can upload it to the Files area at the list website, where everyone can see it, and send a message to the list announcing it's there, saying what it is, and providing a direct link to it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/files/ Yahoo! Groups : biofuels-biz Files Best wishes Keith Addison (List owner) __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens,pitting conservationists against soccer moms
How about a class action lawsuit against all the suv's driving around endangering people with more reasonably sized cars, or perhaps a special license for cars./ trucks over 5,000lbs, sort of like a cloas a license? MOSTLY joking) anton -Original Message- From: studio53 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens,pitting conservationists against soccer moms Wait a minute! I thought that most accidents were alcohol induced according to National statistics. Let's just outlaw alcohol8) ref http:// Jesse Parris|studio53| graphics / web design| stamford, ct|[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This information , and any attachments may contain confidential information and is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). ~~~ - Original Message - From: Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens, pitting conservationists against soccer moms Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Levin noted that the scientists refused to recommend a specific fuel economy standard and acknowledged that past increases in fuel economy led to smaller, lighter cars and thousands of additional traffic deaths. I challenge him to prove this claim. The only reason the smaller, lighter cars might lead to thousands of additional traffic deaths is because they're going to come into conflict with older, heaver vehicles. It's like saying they have to be built heavy because they've always been built heavy. With an attitude like that we'll never make any progress in fuel economy. Or safety. Building decent _safety equipment_ and -=*GETTING PEOPLE TO USE IT*=- is, IMHO _the_ major factor in vehicle safety. Much more so than the false sense of safety caused by big, heavy SUV's which are _more_ likely to roll over and kill their occupants than smaller, lighter vehicles. Particularly the ones who don't have their seat belts on. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.com Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens,pitting conservationists against soccer moms
and outlaw biccles and require children to be transported in reinforced steel cges, have separate and protected pedestrian ways, with all other pedestrian acces denied as being unsafe, due to the large size and speed of cars. anton -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:53 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens,pitting conservationists against soccer moms Fine by me. - Original Message - From: Anton Berteaux Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 16:25 Subject: RE: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens,pitting conservationists against soccer moms and requiring all citizens to carry guns, so that noone is at a disadvantage. anton -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:16 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens,pitting conservationists against soccer moms - Original Message - From: Anton Berteaux To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 15:05 Subject: RE: [biofuel] Debate on fuel economy standards opens,pitting conservationists against soccer moms How about a class action lawsuit against all the suv's driving around endangering people with more reasonably sized cars, or perhaps a special license for cars./ trucks over 5,000lbs, sort of like a cloas a license? MOSTLY joking) anton I have a better idea, while not everyone needs a small car, many people need a larger car / truck / SUV, so why don't we just outlaw all smaller cars, as being to unsafe to be on the road with larger vehicals, that are needed. Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] What is the best way to increase fuel economy ?
The best way to reduce fuel use is to simply reduce the size and power of the vehicals. Smaller engines in lighter cars. Sadly, most Americans are too selfish to this. They cry safety is the issue but this could easily be overcome with better body design, air bags and seat beat use, perhaps a four point or five point for cars. Yes, I agree. cars are status symbols and toys that are not viewed as tools , but lifestyle billboards. In Europe, cars are smaller becuse gas is more expensive, and streets are smaller, and cities are more walkable, and public transpo is better. I wonder if anyone has considered a class action lawsuit against owners of larg cars for endangering people with smaller, but still legal to own cars? The horsepower number quoted regulates the top speed a car can obtain and the rate of acceleration. The majority of car could have their power cut in half and still easily do the needed 70 - 80 MPH for the interstates it would just take a little longer to get there. I think that half of the crashes and pedestrian killings in sanfrancisco would be eliminated if horse power was cut in half, people are simply to aggressive, and rude, and power just gets you into trouble if you can't drive sensibkly. snip anton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] to wash or not to wash
I personally only do the aussie 15-2- half a--ed wash. I haven't had the patience to wash with the equipment i have, and haven't had the time to make some separate settling tanks. I make the BD, single stage only, let it settle for a while (3 hours - overnight, depending on other stuff going on) , remix, add water (20% or so) mix awhile, 10 mins., pump to my settlign tank, let settle, drain, let sit for up to 2 weeks till it clears up (sometimes I will put it in a barrel to settle for a few weeks if I am making multiple batches) and use. sometimes I willput a fish tank pump with a bubbler on the end in to air dry the bd for a week, then let settle for a week. I can't say the exact effects, btu the use of it is fine. I have a 1982 vw rabbit, a 86 ford truck, a 82 isuzu that i run at 100% BD. I have been running the wabbit on the stuff for 2 years, 35,000 mules- no problems, although after 2 years, i might do the fuel lines sometime soon. they don't leak, but are getting slightly soft. I won't sell my bd,as I am afraid to let someone else with more valuable vehicles than mine use it, but fro my own use I have perfect confidence. anton snip This subject may well have been discussed in the past and I know that some are washing their Biodiesel and some are not. I have been successfully using the two stage method with small batches and have been converting ground nut oil. On each stage I get a very clean separation and it appears that the reaction has gone to completion. I have also been using the bubble method with citric acid to get the pH just down below 7. Upon completion of 2 washes I then dry the bio by heating to 120 degrees. I have noticed that the drying process does liberate a fair amount of water from what appears to be water free bio. I have found that the majority of my time in the process is concerned with washing and drying and have often wondered if not washing is a real alternative. I have been toying with the idea of after the second stage allowing the glycerine to drop out as usual and then raising the temperature of the bio to 100 degrees and reclaiming the methanol as it is given off by distillation.I then would let the bio sit for a couple of weeks for to allow any hidden glycerine to drop out and separate the heavier deposits at the end of this period. Has anyone tried this approach? Steve Gerry Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Air travel - was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
- In the first two minutes after a 747 takes off, it emits as much air pollution as 3,000 cars, says a study by the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC). sni snipsnip how about rubber band launchers like with model gliders? anton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Glycerine pretreat
what i would like to know is how to figure out how much methoxide to treat the glyc pretreated oil... anton -Original Message- From: Paul Gobert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:10 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glycerine pretreat - Original Message - From: t_watchornnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: [biofuel] Glycerine pretreat t, haven't progressed very far with my investigation of this. I did try mixing 1 litre of glycerine with 1 litre of used Canola oil at about 50 degC, mixing by hand now then over an hour. After 24 hours had about 250 mil Esters, 900 mil oil, 850 mil glycerine. Was surprised to see lest glycerine than oil. The oil layer had yellowy aerated look, and has stayed that way after 6 days (it was clean clear looking to start with) I presume it is just the oily middle layer that you then go on to process with the usual methods. Thats interesting, I've always ended up with two distinct layers, partially transesterified WVO and glycerine. Mixing was by shaking vigorously in a 2L Plastic bottle. Yet to determine which is better way to go.Single treatment or repetive treatment. Single treatment sees the glycerine discarded after one retreat. The partially transesterified WVO is then processed with a lower volume of methoxide than normal. Repetitive treatment retains the glycerine and treats it a number of times with WVO and lower than normal levels of methoxide until the volume of glycerine becomes too great. BD from the repetitive treatment should require no further processing. Regards, Paul Gobert. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Something for about $4 per watt
I am interested, I may want either of the 2 sizes. By no mounts, do you mean no frame? or simply no brackets. I don't think most panels come with mounts anyway. anton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Making Something From Nothing
check out www.allelectronics.com they have some peltier junction units. anton -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:09 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Making Something From Nothing Here's another interesting technology to use with wood fires, not a TEG, but a TPV, thermophotovoltaic. Essentially uses the heat and light from the fire to produce electricity. http://www.jxcrystals.com/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] 4WD diesels that get 30 mpg (was Environmental group releases list of'green cars'
I have a friend that I coerced into buying a diesel (sort of), he got an old diesel scout turbo, which promptly blew a head gsket. He wants to sell it. If anyone is interested, email me personally. I am in the San francisco bay area. (if you have to ask, you're probably too far away) anton snip Other choices available to you are: - International put a turbo-diesel in some of the Scouts, there are a few early Isuzu Troopers with a turbodiesel engine, and you could put a VW Tdi engine in a Vanagon Syncro (AWD) wagon. BMW made a very good 6 cyl. turbo diesel, installed in mid-80's 528's (?) which are rare but can be found on the Autotrader, and they will mate up to the ZF auto in Range Rovers. Late 80's Range Rovers are plentiful for in the $5000 range, and I know a Land Rover mechanic in Missouri who's installing one of the Beemer 6's in one as we speak - you could probably sell your Suburban for enough for the whole project - but you'd get mileage in the low 20's, I'd think. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] SMUD Energy Festival Needs Biodiesel Rep
if you are relatively local, and are interested, I have started this group. anton Hi folks, the new burnveggies list is up and running, and I want you to subscribe if you would like to exchange ideas and contacts pertaining homebrew diesel fuel. The other lists are excellent sources of info, recipes, ideas etc. , but they have members from all around the world, and I think we need a bay area/ northern CA list for us folks. To subscribe, go to http://goblin.punk.net/mailman/listinfo/burnveggies and fill out the form. The list is brand new, so I can't promise anything about traffic, but I think it will be a useful tool. Please post any interesting local events, places to get supplies, cars for sale, places to get equipment, or anything else you want to talk to other biodieselers in your local area about. Thanks, anton ___ Fandango mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://goblin.punk.net/mailman/listinfo/fandango -Original Message- From: keith smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:47 AM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] SMUD Energy Festival Needs Biodiesel Rep Ryan, I was probably the person you needed. I have done extensive research into biodiesel and am currently working on infrastructure to make it as available as petrodiesel. I have read thousands of web pages, researched hundreds of sites and discovered a formula which reduces the cost of production. If any other speaking opportunities arise, I will do my best to make myself available. Success to you, Keith Smith On Tue, 29 January 2002, R. Ryan Hammond wrote: snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Reply for assault vehicles and fuel alcohol questions
at least i don't look like Hilary Clinton anton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:37 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Reply for assault vehicles and fuel alcohol questions You guys are starting to sound like Hillary Clinton. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Reply for assault vehicles and fuel alcohol questions
those are all good points, I totally agree that there is a lack of quality driver's ed, and that a drunk on a moped could cause a large pile up, and that more efficient engine s are better, and that niche parts and vehicles are useful. However I live in San Francisco, purported to be one of the most bicycle friendly cities in america, and in an effort to cut down on the amount of biodiesel I have to make, I bicycle often, and I am exposed to people driving very badly. I am cut off yelled at for being slow, blocked by double parkers, and a myriad of other insults. The conclusion I draw from most of what I observe is that the problem is not mostly drunks and incompetents, but aggressive rude behavior that no one would get away with without the insulation of 4,000 lbs of steel. I suggest that when you convince a population that they have to spend 10-25% of their income on a tool that make them younger, sexier, freer, happier, more powerful,(and the biggest joke, more power equals getting there faster)then when they are thwarted by traffic, they feel like they are being cheated. My devil inside says make all cars have 50HP, any size or configuration.heeheehee. suvs would be sooo slow! We all know what a kick it is to drive fast, how nice it is to drive big comfy car, but sreiously, we need to recognise that cars are not the best way to move large numbers of people,and as usual I think our standard of living will be significantly worse before we are able to do anything about it. I blame TV and the advertising industry. I think that was about 4 cents worth, I'll shut up now anton -Original Message- From: tyson rearden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:50 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Reply for assault vehicles and fuel alcohol questions Who had the bright idea to put together this e-mail! We sure are learning a lot about biofuel now aren't we. Besides that, haven't all of us riden in a slow non assault vehicle that is driven by someone who you wondered how they ever passed the tests for there license! When was the last time you say a Lamborgini or a Ferarri cause a wreck. Now I can't argue that an intoxicated or incapable driver with a powerfull car or truck can be an extreme hazard, but I think a drunk on a moped could cause quite a pile up given the chance. Now if you choose to argue the point of aftermarket parts, I guess you are one to believe one tire can work the best in all conditions and that a single restrictive exhaust is a good thing. Oh well, I guess I just think that your time could have been used to put something usefull here instead of waisting our e-mail space with ideas that don't make any sense. If you lobby for any new kind of law, why don't you come up with a driving school requirement. Maybe we are doing a poor job of teaching people how to drive. Last idea, If you don't expect your Expedition to drive like a Miata you will have less chances of rolling over, since suv's seem to be the most popular vehicles off the road. Question for someone making fuel alcohol. What is the biggest expense- the materials or the enegy to cook it? Also, is there any process to have a continuing cycle without having to stop and sterilize everything? motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A MODEST PROPOSAL: BAN ASSAULT VEHICLES by J.Kish, Vieth Sports Supply, Mentor Ohio Pursuant to recent legislative events and heightened concern for public safety, the political climate is ripe for the following proposal. As is well known, traffic accidents are the number one cause of death and injury in the United States. Trauma centers are choked with victims of reckless driving, overburdening health care facilities and the insurance industry. Past laws have been ineffective at curbing irresponsible and/or criminal behavior such as speeding and driving while under the influence of intoxicants. Therefore, what must be controlled is the free and easy access to dangerous and overpowered vehicles of foreign and domestic manufacture. Proposal: Ban assault vehicles An assault vehicle is a vehicle which by its appearance and capabilities inspires the driver to behave as if the nation's highways were competitive racetracks. The following are dangerous assault vehicles and should be banned from production and importation: Lamborgini Countach Ferarri Testarossa Toyota MR2 Chevrolet Corvette Mazda Miata Mercury Capri Pontiac Fiero BWM 735i Acura Integra Nissan 300ZX Chevrolet Camero Mazda RX7 Plymouth Laser Dodge Viper Dodge Stealth Ford Mustang Ford Probe Honda CRX Jaguar XJE Also to be banned are any look-alikes of the listed vehicles as well as any vehicles possessing one or more of the following characteristics: Capable of speeds over 70 mph Ground effects Dual exhausts Performance tires Limited to dual seats Aerodynamic devices that protrude conspicuously from the rear of the vehicle Vehicles possessing these features have no legitimate
RE: [biofuel] Re: Imported post
i'm sure to get flamed for this, but consider this analogy to cigarttes: I personally don't think that cigarettes, cars (or pot, or probably even crack ) should be banned but I think, like with cigarettes, some sort of tax to be redistributed to victims of car wrecks, or perhaps a ban on the sort of advertising that convinces everyone that these violently styled, high powered, (and in the case of SUVs, unstable due to the cross-purpose of their everyday use and their ostensible use, off road) vehicles are necessary for our mating rituals, personal identity, and the myth of extra power being a boon to safety. Not to mention the very familiar environmental and social reasons that have convinced me that the automobile is not our best choice as our public transportation system. I point out that I was a car freak, and in fact a porsche / BMW mechanic for years, but have become disgusted with the car, and as I am still a gearhead, biodiesel is a good outlet. Flame on... anton -Original Message- From: Martin Klingensmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 6:42 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Imported post Send me the assault cameras one, I want to read it! ;) --- motie_d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to confees! I posted it here by mistake! It was supposed to go to a gun-control group, as a demonstration of the absurdity of banning inanimate objects, instead of the people who misuse them. I've got another one, about banning 'Assault Cameras', written shortly after the unfortunate incident with Princess Diana. It's pretty badly off-topic for this group. My apologies for my previous error. Motie It did elicit some commentary, though! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = -Martin Klingensmith http://devzero.ath.cx/ http://www.nnytech.net/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel]
I live in california, and road diesel is dyed red. if they check they fine you, i don't know how much. I have been told that semi trailer rigs get checked often, that big pickups with off road diesel dispensing tanks get checked, but that private vehicles almost never get checked. If I were running a truck line, I would never risk it, but biodiesel, which is not red, in a private car seems pretty safe. I addition, someone wrote in a while ago and said it was very difficult volunteer to pay the tax on his/her homemade BD. I wouldn't bother. antohn -Original Message- From: George Lola Wesel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:13 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been informed that technically, running biodiesel in you car without paying road tax is illegal. Any information . In KS the road tax is .21 cents on a gallon of gasoline and .23 cents on everything else. Ethanol, Biodiesel, diesel, and popane are classified as Special Fuel with a higher tax. This is state tax only, their is also Federal Road Tax on top of this. I know of no state that does not collect road tax, other than maybe Alaska. Their could be, but I can't say for sure. The penality is simple. One hundred dollars (USD) per gallon of fuel capacity of the vehile. If your car hold 20 gallon of diesel and you are caught then your fine is $2,000.00 plus court costs. If the DOT askes to dip your tank and you say no then you have an automatic $1,000.00 fine. They know it's diesel by the rattle of the motor in a car or pickup. Road tax is paid on every gallon of fuel that is burned on a road. Industrial and farm equipment use non-taxed diesel. I own several large trucks that travel form state to state and this is direct form the DOT in KS as well as several other states. I assume with confidence that the rest of the country is close to this. To check for sure, look at the price of diesel in your part of the country. If it's more than .80 cents then you have road tax added. Ask at any place that sells diesel fuel they will be more than happy to tell you. All this is for KS only, your state could be completely different. What you do and don't tell anybody, nobody will know about. I pay the road tax, I can't afford not to. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel]
yes, dumb typo, sorry. anton -Original Message- From: Steven-Lee Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:16 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Farm diesel is dyed red. Road diesel is clear. Feds should not be able to identify bio diesel by color. Steven-Lee - Original Message - From: Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:49 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] I live in california, and road diesel is dyed red. if they check they fine you, i don't know how much. I have been told that semi trailer rigs get checked often, that big pickups with off road diesel dispensing tanks get checked, but that private vehicles almost never get checked. If I were running a truck line, I would never risk it, but biodiesel, which is not red, in a private car seems pretty safe. I addition, someone wrote in a while ago and said it was very difficult volunteer to pay the tax on his/her homemade BD. I wouldn't bother. antohn Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SMUD Energy Festival Needs Biodiesel Rep
shoot, I don't think I can make it, we are still planting. I will check, thouhg. anton -Original Message- From: R. Ryan Hammond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:30 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com; biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] SMUD Energy Festival Needs Biodiesel Rep To anyone interested with some background in working with Biodiesel, I'm setting up a display promoting Stirling engines (particularly related to Solar Thermal applications) at the Sacramento Municipal Utilities District (SMUD) Energy Symposium in central California area on Saturday, February 2nd. It would be great if someone was interested in sharing information on BIODIESEL and sharing the booth with me. THERE IS NO CHARGE AS ITS NON-PROFIT BOOTH. I'm not selling anything and you can't either, only promote a viable technology. I know they're looking for someone to exhibit Biodiesel too. The booth apparently is two sided with 8' (or 10') tables on either side. It's a great way to network with folks too. I have some literature on Biodiesel (kindly supplied from the National Biodiesel Board), but I won't be able to talk too much on it as I'm going to focus on Stirling engine technology. So if you're interested (or know another person who is), please contact me. I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner. I'd be happy to work with you on this. My general gameplan is to arrive at about 7:30 am at SMUD and be set-up until about 2 or 2:30pm, but the energy symposium goes on until about 4 pm. Again, if you're interested, please contact me (info below), and I can give you more details. Sincerely, Ryan R. Ryan Hammond Graduate Research Assistant Mechanical and Aeronautical Engineering University of California, Davis One Shields Avenue Davis, CA 95616 Office Phone: 530 / 752-6519 Home Phone: 530 / 297-6751 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SMUD Energy Festival Needs Biodiesel Rep
oops, sorry careless replying...it's late and my fingers are cold. anton -Original Message- From: Anton Berteaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:44 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] SMUD Energy Festival Needs Biodiesel Rep shoot, I don't think I can make it, we are still planting. I will check, thouhg. anton -Original Message- From: R. Ryan Hammond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:30 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com; biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] SMUD Energy Festival Needs Biodiesel Rep To anyone interested with some background in working with Biodiesel, I'm setting up a display promoting Stirling engines (particularly related to Solar Thermal applications) at the Sacramento Municipal Utilities District (SMUD) Energy Symposium in central California area on Saturday, February 2nd. It would be great if someone was interested in sharing information on BIODIESEL and sharing the booth with me. THERE IS NO CHARGE AS ITS NON-PROFIT BOOTH. I'm not selling anything and you can't either, only promote a viable technology. I know they're looking for someone to exhibit Biodiesel too. The booth apparently is two sided with 8' (or 10') tables on either side. It's a great way to network with folks too. I have some literature on Biodiesel (kindly supplied from the National Biodiesel Board), but I won't be able to talk too much on it as I'm going to focus on Stirling engine technology. So if you're interested (or know another person who is), please contact me. I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner. I'd be happy to work with you on this. My general gameplan is to arrive at about 7:30 am at SMUD and be set-up until about 2 or 2:30pm, but the energy symposium goes on until about 4 pm. Again, if you're interested, please contact me (info below), and I can give you more details. Sincerely, Ryan R. Ryan Hammond Graduate Research Assistant Mechanical and Aeronautical Engineering University of California, Davis One Shields Avenue Davis, CA 95616 Office Phone: 530 / 752-6519 Home Phone: 530 / 297-6751 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Irish inventor says he's cracked world's energyneeds
my two cents is that I catalytic converter on my vw rabbity and it totally eliminated the smell of the biodiesel until I put a few tanks of dinodiesel thru it and killed it (sulfur poisoning, I think). I think in a stationary application, which would be 100% biodiesel (no need to take a long trip and get stuck buying dinodiesel) and a more constant operating speed and longer run times ( no short in town trips) the converter should last a long time. Also, if you are going to use a heat exchanger on the exhaust, you would be using the waste heat energy from burning the waste products in the exhaust, as in a wood stove with a catalyst. anton -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:52 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Irish inventor says he's cracked world's energyneeds A high compression diesel, water cooled, with 20 feet of double wall heat exchanger on the exhaust. This should recover most of the thermal energy. The electrical side is more affected by conditions. Net metering is the most ideal. Chemical storage has large losses. Hopefully super capacitors will be sold in their improved condition soon. Mallory is currently selling, in small quantities, 15 volt technology at 50 cents a Farad. Next generation will hopefully be good enough to replace lead/acid as storage. The diesel needs to be fueled with biodiesel or SVO as air pollution will be unacceptable without it. Besides, this uses carbon already in the global cycle. My 2 cents. Kirk PS Note I said high compression diesel. The diesel engines I saw the specs for that are being used by the railroad were 14 to 1. Fuel efficiency will be too low. 20 to 1 is much better. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 8:48 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Irish inventor says he's cracked world's energyneeds I think biofuel diesel cogeneration pencils nicely. What would your ideal set-up look like, Kirk? You would think there would be a stampede to do it but maybe grid power has to get higher priced and more unreliable before it will motivate people. Sheep reluctant to leave the fold? (Not knocking sheep, they're not nearly as sheepish as alleged - and leaving the fold can be a downright dumb thing to do, if not fatal.) There's also the extra-hassle factor, busy lives. But a lot of people seem to be going off-grid nonetheless, I'm sure it'll grow. More reasons now, not just money - independence, environment I assume poteen is homemade vodka. Yes? Yes, Irish moonshine, usually made of potatoes. Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 1:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Irish inventor says he's cracked world's energyneeds More likely an Irish version of Dennis Lee Kirk Yeah, maybe. Dennis Lee on poteen? But hey, wouldn't it be great if it was all for real? Just for once? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:29 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Irish inventor says he's cracked world's energy needs Far be it from me to be sceptical, but on the other hand, could it perhaps be that stuff usually known as poteen, which he's been subjecting to extensive, um, road tests... http://enn.com/news/wire-stories/2002/01/01232002/reu_46213.asp - 1/23/2002 - ENN.com Irish inventor says he's cracked world's energy needs Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EPA stance on burning waste oil
check into pellet stoves... anton -Original Message- From: Art Wolfskill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:47 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA stance on burning waste oil Well, during the dry season - Dec - May, it would be fine. During the rainy season, however (the other 6 months), it wouldn't work too well. There is a place here that sells rooftop solar water heaters, but they tend to be expensive ($2k) and only work half the year. In some parts of the country, like where our macadamia farms are in Gupiles (Caribbean side) we get about 380 cm of rain a year, and it's not sunny a lot. Actually, I'm looking at a system to burn macadamia shell to provide hot water. Feeding and controlling is a little hard, though. Waste oil is a much better option for me, and it is not recycled here, that I know of. Most is just dumped. - Art At 08:00 AM 1/3/2002 -0800, you wrote: Wouldn't solar be a better option than burning waste oil, for DHW in Costa Rica? From: Art Wolfskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:18:51 -0600 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EPA stance on burning waste oil Good info. Does anybody know where I can get, or get plans for, a waste oil burning water heater? Here in Costa Rica we don't need air heated. My house has neither a heating system nor a cooling system, but the hot water heater is eating me up! I have searched, but it seems that no one makes a good home hot water heater that burns waste engine oil. I wouldnt even mind if it had a small propane pilot light. Any ideas? - Art Wolfskill Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel from ethanol
how about pressure and temperature? would it be more reliable and less sensitive to moisture if one was able to do it in a pressure vessel at higher temperatures? anton -Original Message- From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:09 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel from ethanol Livio asks: Do you know the difference of using ethanol or methanol in the process of producing biodiesel?? because over here in Italy I can't find cheap methanol. It's somewhat more difficult to use ethanol, but it can be done. The alcohol must be anhydrous, and the oil must be totally dry as well. More caustic is required (NaOH or KOH can be used), and soap production (and thus emulsification) is therefore worse. The oil must also be cleaner than with methanol (ie, lower in free fatty acids). Ethanol must be used in greater excess than when using methanol, so recovery of the unused ethanol from the glycerol phase is usually desirable. This is in turn complicated by the fact that the recovered ethanol is always contaminated with water (a byproduct of the soap production), and so must be dried chemically before it can be reused for biodiesel production. If this all sounds discouraging, it should.but the advantages include the greater availability of ethanol worldwide, the relative ease of producing your own ethanol as compared to methanol, and the fact that the carbon in ethanol was only recently removed from the atmo- sphere, and therefore can be returned to it (via combustion) without adding to the net level of CO2 in the air. For this reason alone, I think pursuing the use of ethanol is a worthy goal -- good luck. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] waste oil burner/ H2O heater?
I think I still think that recycling is better, but burning is better than dumping. I am also thinking that someone living in costa rica might not have a way to recycle it. I once saw a conplete oil burning unit in a surplus catalog with a pump, nozzle, fan and electric ignitor for about $150 US. I can't find it at the moment, but I wil try to unearth it and post it. anton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SVO heating
I am thinking that the coolant is basically free heat, as it is a waste product of the engine running, but that using more than a small amount of electricity to heat the WVO wwill use more fuel, and cause wear on belts, alternators, and perhaps cause elctrical problems in the wiring or other parts that weere not designed for high amp, %100 duty cycle use. I have found VW rabbits in particular to have slightly (not terrible, but slightly) underpowered and under wired electrical systems. If one were to use a lot of electrical heat, it might be a good idea to run some big wires to the battery from the alternator, make sure there are large and sound grounding wires, and if possible, to install a larger alternator to guard against the worst case highest electrical use scenario. Feel free to tell me I am being too fussy. anton Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
To rephrase the question to get my own specific answer: would it be possible to get or make a self regulating electric heater that could raise the temperature of the incoming oil from a coolant heated 70C to the optimum 140C? or maybe only the diff between 25C (ambient) and 70C= 45C (temp rise from ambient), that is, preheat with coolant in the HIH, then heat further with electric to, say, 115C. would this, then allow one to more safely use SVO in a DI engine? anton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SVO/WVO conversion - VEG-Therm-
also, at what percentage should one mix the ethanol and how stable is the mix? anton It depends on the engine type (DI or IDI) and the fuel (type of vegoil) to some extent, but in general DI engines, it seems, really should have higher temps, or thinner fuel blends than is required for IDI engines. That's why I posted on the idea of ethanol blending with SVO a few times. That brought the required temp. (in that study, on that DI engine, on rapeseed oil), down from 150¼C to 80¼C. and also gave significant further particulate emissions reductions compared to rapeseed oil alone, already quite a bit lower than petrodiesel. So as we see wider availability of fuel grade ethanol, that will be interesting to follow since it coincides with wider use of DI engines. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] uses for glycerol
what was your ewxperience with vacuum distillation of the glycerin? am about to undrtake some experiments , and any info would be appreciated thanks, anton -Original Message- From: Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 6:39 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] uses for glycerol Hi Paddy, Im Ken. I was trying to purify the glycerol from the BD reaction. It turns out there is FAME and glycerol so im not sure if the FAME is good for the engine. Currently im thinking of what to do with the glycerol/water solution. Could you send me some information on how to convert to glycerol ethers. Tried vaccum distillation for the glycerol and now trying to use ion exchange resins. Thanks Ken At 04:08 PM 12/9/01 +, you wrote: You can turn glycerol into glycerol ethers and add them to the biodiesel to improve it's properties as a fuel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Quit now for Great American Smokeout http://us.click.yahoo.com/0vN8tD/9pSDAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Thinking about buying a car?
I will loan you my diesel rabbit if you will go eliza's and get me some hot and sour soup and some maongolian ostrich ( yes, they do ) anton -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:20 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Thinking about buying a car? Mark E. Wishart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay what are your suggestions? Well show me a car that I can use to do farming tasks to provide food so you can eat. So who can eat? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: Jean-Leon Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Thinking about buying a car? Yes, that big diesel powerstoke to run WVO- biodiesel.. Got to help the economy and keep some dollars in the states. Or ,what you could do is NOT buy a diesel powerstroke. Boycott american cars, buy a Volkswagen TDI and make people aware of the beauty of small diesels. Then, maybe, one day, you'll see a Diesel Ford Focus on the lot. Then you'd be helping the environment. By buying a fat, large, stupidly obese truck, you'll be hurting the environment even more, even if you run it on moose farts. The 30L of coolant that cools the massive beast, 10L of motor oil that gets dumped every 3k miles, the assorted gear oil boxes for hte T case and front axles, and Big Ass (TM) tires that wear out waay too quick will be a grand help to our environment. Not to mention the 7.3L of heat that you'll be inputting into the atmosphere to help melt the polar icecaps. Bravo, where do I sign up? Not to mention that when that Ford junkpile is worn out at a mere 200K miles and 10 years, you'll send it to the chipper to be recycled. The 800 lbs of plastic contained in it will be shredded and become non-biodegradable waste, to sit and wait. Of it'll be melted into something, spewing tons of crap into the atmosphere. Buying new car is definitely equivalent to environmental destruction. Buying a fat, lazy, sluggy, ugly Ford F250 is the equivalent of buying three cars. The AMERICAN cars, for that matter. J-L Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EDF newsletter (excerpts)
they don't have diesel models! anton Our easy-to-use search tool Tailpipe Tally allows you to compare the environmental and economic costs of different vehicles. Simply select basic information like model year (1978 to 2001) and make, and you will see the average amount of fuel the car consumes in a year, the cost, and its average annual emissions. When you see how much fuel efficient cars (like the gasoline-electric, hybrid Toyota Prius driven by our own Executive Director Fred Krupp) slash carbon dioxide emissions, hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide, you will want to make your voice heard by U.S. car companies via the Clean Car Pledge. Compare vehicles on http://news.environmentaldefense.org/cgi-bin5/flo?y=nEvf0D4A1l0BnU0BA 1t0AF Tailpipe Tally. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/75YKVC/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Re: [biofuel] UNSUBSCRIBE]
do you do anything but email? ;-) anton snip no way of preventing it. It happens on every list I subscribe to (30 of them). We just have to live with it. J Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/QzLWzD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] running a house from a generator
i saw a fridge and freezer in a jade mountain catatlog that was made for sailboats that had a powerful cooler, and eutectic plates (essentially walls witrh liquid that freezes and then takes heat away as it unfreezes) that will stay cold with an hour otr two of gen run time a day, but I still think a super insulated frige running on solar with genny backup to make more electricity and supply heat in the winter when there is less sun is the best option . have no numbers on this, so consider it heresay... anton -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 9:02 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] running a house from a generator One problem that I found years ago when I lived off grid was dealing with the power needs of a freezer. And refridgerators are about the same. We had a genset with an automatic switch so that it would start whenever we turned on a light in the house. We bought the most efficient chest freezer we could find, which really didn't use much when it was on (about 150watts), just when starting, but the problem is that freezers and fridges want to be on 20 minutes out of every hour. So I had to turn off the auto start feature. I tried just running the genset 8 hours a day, 4 in the am, 4 at night, but that didn't cut it for the freezer -- would have worked for a fridge, I think, but we couldn't keep meat frozen doing that. And I talked to some of the local resort owners who were also off grid and their solution was to just run the gensets 24/7 to keep their freezers going and incidently provide lights, etc. Of course, they had propane gensets and could write it off their taxes. So if you're going to be off grid, your only real choices are a big enough battery bank, and big enough inverter, to handle the freezer, or just run the genset 24/7. Maybe you could get away with less than 24, you'd have to experiment, but freezing and thawing and freezing wrecks food very quickly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, My idea is like Krik's, to generate electricity on demand. This seems to me somewhat more efficient then charging batteries. The problems are known about low charging rates. But WHY do you want to charge such a huge battery bank? It's too expensive I think! If you would generate electicity only on need then you would avoid this is a minor problem.. The only question for me is the start up procedure of a diesel generator running on SVO. I read about the need of preheated fuel and distributor. As a stationary generator I might manage to keep everything warm until the next start. I suggest it would work that way. Specially because I plan to run a big furnace (heated by straw bales) parallel that would always give enough warmth for start up.. Don't forget you've got to startup and shutdown each time on diesel (or biodiesel) so if you're not going to run continuously, you'll need to figure out someway to automate that. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] to start a co-op
there is a coop start ing in livermore, I may be starting one in the davis area, and I think there is one on the coast near the lost coast... is there info around on the best way to set one up legally? I am a fly under the radar kind of person, but i would like toknow if anyone knows the best kind of ground rules, a good kind of contract to limit liability, etc. thanks in advance, anton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:36 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] to start a co-op Santa Cruz, California (just south of the bay area) : anyone? ~ You gotta be crazy Its too late to be sane... -Robin Williams ~ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] RE: using an inverter
and sucks up a significant amount of power in the process, too. anton -Original Message- From: Alan S. Petrillo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:47 AM To: biofuel Subject: [biofuel] RE: using an inverter Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: older and cheaper inverters are square wave (super cheap) or, slighly better, modified sinewave (read almost square). almost all electrical devices run better on pure sinewave, and newer, nicer inverters are as good or better than grid power; the wave form is extremely high frequency steps that become a true sine wave after some filtration, and the frequency and voltage control is almost always better than the grid. If you really want to make sure all of the high frequency noise is gone you could run the output from the inverter through an appropriately sized choke coil. If you really want to get pedantic about a -=*PURE*=- sine wave you could install a ferroresonant transformer, which is a BIG resonant circuit built to resonate at 60hz. The computer lab at St. Petersburg College's St. Petersburg campus has one of these things. It does wonders for conditioning the power they get from Florida Flash and Flicker, but it must weigh 800 pounds. -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] using an inverter
older and cheaper inverters are square wave (super cheap) or, slighly better, modified sinewave (read almost square). almost all electrical devices run better on pure sinewave, and newer, nicer inverters are as good or better than grid power; the wave form is extremely high frequency steps that become a true sine wave after some filtration, and the frequency and voltage control is almost always better than the grid. as far as stray voltage there are definitely going to be some magnetic fields around the inverter, which decrease as a cube root of the distance (read gets less powerful very fast as you go away from it) A magnetic field will induce a voltage in an adjacent wir, coil, or just possibly a wire-like metal object, but I don't think that the fields around an inverter would be strong enough to create avotage that would harm an animal of the human species, or any other.Of course the usual magnetic fields surround the normal house wires regardless of whether the power comes from the grid or an inverter. anton some equipment doesn't work well on less than pure sinewave(motors electronics). no medical problems have been observed. I'm curious, and slightly concerned about the use of inverters to turn DC to AC power. I've heard that the use of inverters causes extremely high magnetic/electric fields which are a cause of stray voltage (a concern here since we are a dairy farm and have paid dearly for it) and I've also heard that if you wish to use an inverter to power a house, they can damage electronic equipment. I am not sure if this is because the cheaper ones don't convert into a true sine wave but just a square wave (or if there is a high amount of feedback from the coils on those things). Stray voltage can be the cause of many illnesses and I won't go into that now... but another thing is that it is one thing to want an inverter to power a house, but how much to get the necessary equipment to synchronize the power to the grid? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
On the subject of cogen, I am going to install a net- metering, grid-intertie solar sytem in my house. That means I am using solar panels to run an inverter (black Box) to feed power in to my electrical system, and in the case of a generation surplus, into the grid. I doubt yuou could get official O.K. for it, but you could get an inverter that was too big for the solar panels, and feed electricity into it from a diesel genny also, running the weter backwards, and therefore needing no storage. anton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
am already putting in a grid intertie system, and yes it is kinda expensive, but upgrading the inverter to add another 1,000 watts would not be too expensive. Also, I am in california, where the state will pay half of the cost of a grid intertie system; they will not pay for batteries, and will not pay if you don't intertie. These systems are very simple and reliable, require no batteries that need replacing and maintainance. A minimal backup system is cheaper than making the sytem a full size backup system. I figure if you are already doing the system, and want to add the b-d in to the mix as a guerrilla move, all the better. I do think that the generator would have to be the right dc voltage to match the panel output. Perhaps not the best idea after all, but I was extemporating. anton - You need a synchronised inverter which is fairly expensive to begin with You'd have to calculate how much you think you'd save by not buying any batteries, but what if the grid goes down, you probably want your generator to be able to supply full load right, or you might want batteries and a smaller generator then? Well it depends on what you want to do. It's one of those tradeoffs Martin Klingensmith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] 85 suburban
not to be confused with the 6.2L diesels, though. the 6.2 was used byt the post office and the military. they were O.K. , not great, and they wee reliable enough. I have a friend who has an 85 suburban that has 200,000 miles, runs great. My take on it is this; if you get it cheap, and don't spend much money fixing it, and get some miles out of it before the engine blows, and give up on it when it does, you'll do just fine. If you want a permanent nice car, get one of the 85 or later fords, they are better. drive junk, anton stay away from early 70-80's gm diesel. basically a gas engine beefed up. junk. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm snipsnopsnip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
that is an O.K. idea on the face of it, but if you add to it, it becomes a great idea. If you run that generator on 100% biodiesel, you can use a catalytic converter to make the exhaust squeaky clean (BD burns cleaner than diesel, but is still something you wouoldn't want to lock yourself in the garage with), and if you run a water cooled diesel, and use the waste heat to heat water for showers, etc, and also to heat the house, you are suddenly getting double or triple use out of the same fuel, which could be justified as close to 100% efficiency. This type of use is known as co-generation, and if you do a web search, you will find interesting facts and figures, and possibly some useful info. ood luck, anton -Original Message- From: Craig Reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 12:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? Eric, Try http://www.chinadiesel.com/gen/8kw.html . and http://www.chinadiesel.com/Index.htm - the company, Hardy Diesel, is in Southern California, and sells diesel generators and solar panels. I'm sure they'd be able to tell you what a typical house uses - and so could a residential electrician. You've got a great idea - I've thought about using a diesel generator running on waste fry oil for powering my house. If you also sold filtered waste oil, I'll bet you'd have a thriving business - assuming you sold the oil for enough less than diesel that the net energy costs would be less than what the utility companies sell electricity for. Good luck! Craig Reece eric almanzan wrote: occasionally I will get an idea, and the most recent one that popped into my head was creating indepencence from your local power provider, and even selling the excess back to them. I would like to get a diesel generator strong enough to run my house, but I am fuzzy on the details of how many kwhours a generator is capable of producing compared to how much is used by a typical house each month. I would like to start a small business installing diesel generators, and also providing filtered waste veg oil to run the generators. I have to figure out the numbers to see if there is a large enough profit margin to be had. thank you to anyone who can help with this __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Waste Veggie Oil in Home Heater
yes, I have pretty good luck with settling as filtration. I get barrels of used oil, about 10 at a time, let them settle for a month or more, all the stuff goes to the bottom, I pump it out through a standard plastic filter housing with a wound cotton element (from tek supply, $20 US-www.teksupply.com), do the trans esterification, settle, gravity drop into a barrel, let sit for another week or 2, pump out through another filter into the car. In 2 years of production (1000 gals) I have yet to clog a filter; I use clear housings so i can see it, and they are still pretty clean. When I do change the filters, I plan on throwing the oil soaked cotton element into the woodstove. Allit requires, is of course patience and space. anton Keep a warm drum of WVO around, and let gravity do most of the filtering, then pump off the top (well, not RIGHT off the top - leave the waxes and stuff that form on the surface!), and thenplace oil into your regular fuel tank. Then, as Dana suggests, run it through a furnace oil filter - these are also available with fine mesh screens so you can just clean them out now and then and never have to replace a felt element. We have two spares if anyone needs one, (General Filter). I think they are around $40 US with the screen, and as I recall that screen is around 150 micron - probably good enough for the heater, without having it plug up and need cleaning all the time. We also have the white plastic hand operated pump, which is excellent for pumping oil off the top, leaving the settled foots in the bottom of the settling drum. (Also good for pumping oil out of drums and fryers). Ed B. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Re: [biofuel] Good/Inexpensive Diesel Engines?
I did a search a year ago, and was able to find vw turbo diesels in a junkyard for less than $1000 US delivered to San francisco. They make about 72 horse power, and bolt up to the non turbo trans. anton -Original Message- From: Edward Beggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:02 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Good/Inexpensive Diesel Engines? If anyone needs VW parts, we have a good source here in BC, click on the link at our site (see below), and talk to Bridget, she knows her VW parts (... or talk to Klaus if he is not swamped out in the shop fixing all the old VW's from around here)! Good stock of used parts, and reasonable prices. They've been helpful to me personally, and I hope no one minds that I return the favour and give them a plug - Valley West Automotive in Summerland, BC, Canada Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: Steve W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Good/Inexpensive Diesel Engines? Steve, The VW guys at Parts Place for VW (248.373.2300) told me that special tools are need to rebuild a pump. I have a local shop that does it, I can give you their email if you wish. Steve --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:52:20 -0400 Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Good/Inexpensive Diesel Engines? I have one that needs rebuilding (VW), so I'll let you know my progress. Steve Spence = Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] glycerol soap waste conversion to fermentableproduct?
how about distilling the glycerol to remove it from the lye, then digesting the glycerol to get methane, which can be used as such or reformed into methanol? anton burn vegetables, not dinosaurs. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:33 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerol soap waste conversion to fermentableproduct? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is directed toward any biochemists out there who would have knowledge of this idea: I have read up on the process of making biodiesel from Sodium Ethoxide (lye and ethanol) and vegetable oil, and I understand that a by-product from this reaction is a glycerine soap. My question is that is is possible to enzymatically convert this soap back to glycerol [HO-CH2-CHOH-CH2-OH] (remove the Sodium) and then convert it into a fermentable product such as pyruvate [ CH3-C(=O)-COOø ] via Dihydroxyacetone Phosphate or Glycerol 3-Phosphate? If this is the case, then all the glycerol can be converted into ethanol and create even more fuel from the process. Is the economically feasible if it could be done or would the costs outweigh the benefits? I asked, and got this reply: It involves an ion exchange column to remove sodium and good chemistry in the following process. So, not for the kitchen. Sorry, didn't find out anything about economic feasibility. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/zoU8wD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Soylent Green Fuel - The Other Green Fuel
I would make diesel fuel out of it, but I'm like that... anton burn vegetables( and maybe people), not dinosaurs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:23 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Soylent Green Fuel - The Other Green Fuel First, I am not wrong. In the movie they never say what they make Soylent Red of Soylent White out of but Soylent Green (the new product) turns out to be people. Second, after I thought about it, It is not as negative as I first thought. There are a lot of people getting liposuction. What happens to all that fat? Why would it be better to throw that out? If it is waste why not use it? And what if you passed away with a lot of extra fat? If you could sell your fat posthumously why not? Maybe it could off set some the cost of your funeral, cremation or burial. (I should have enough untapped biod for a funeral like King Tut.) While I am not as opposed to the idea as I first was now that I am over the shock I do feel it could go too far. (stop harvesting me with your eyes). MADMAN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
