RE: [biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy
I second that motion. I really want to hear all the info you have thanks Doug -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:47 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy Hello Michael, Bruce Dear Bruce, We can take this correspondence off-line if you prefer. All you have to do is reply to my personal e-mail address. (I'm not sure how interesting coconut oil is to those folk wrestling with the US bureaucracy anyway!) Please don't take it off-line, there's widespread interest in coconut oil and the more information is available and publicly shared the better - such discussions do much more good in the archives and accessible to all than hidden away on a couple of people's hard disks. Incidentally, there is no great secret in the Neoterics claim: You can run diesel engines directly on refined coconut oil just as you can on refined palm-oil: You just have to melt and pre-heat the oil! We have done this by passing the exhaust pipe up through the fuel tank but, being in the tropics, we do have a head-start: the air temperature is about 32C so our oils are liquid. The challenge has been to use unrefined palm-oil which is about one tenth the price of the refined stuff. The research of my colleagues here shows that while refined oil will run over 3000 hours in this system, unrefined oil cooks the engine within 500 hours. I keep asking them to write this up but I think there is a reluctance to publish negative results! My recollection of the medicinal properties of coconut milk is that quenching your thirst on it leads to the world falling out of your bottom . . . . . I have, however, been told that is high in potassium and can actually settle the guts after a bad attack of Tropical Squits . . . I have worked on using coconut shells and coir to fuel. The problem is that a simple steam turbine running on the Rankine cycle can only muster about 40% conversion of the fuel into useful work, the rest is discarded to the environment. Co-generation is possible if you have a use for lots of tepid water. But generally in the tropics, there is an abundance of this stuff! Why it even falls out of the sky! I did design a coconut-shell fuelled heater for drying bananas in Tonga many years ago. This was to help a health food company which had effectively been attacked by a Peace Corp worker! He had insisted that they use solar energy to dry the bananas in an inflatable building! Sadly the air flow over the bananas was negligible and the intermittant electricity supply caused the building to collapse onto the mouldy bananas anyway. This was my initiation into inappropriate technology foisted onto developing countries by poorly-educated westerners who carry absolutely no responsibility for the outcome! Even a cursory glance at the met data would have shown that Nuku'alofa is frequently overcast and that it can be cool enough that pullovers are worn. And anyone in the street could have told him about the frequent electrical black-outs. But hey! that was a lot of years ago . . . Things have changed . . . . have'nt they ? :-) Nope, they haven't changed. But, now as then, there are people who do excellent work, many of them (like you do Michael). But then there are the others... Hard to know what to do about them - they're full of good intentions which all too often end up paving the road to hell, as it is written, but other people's hells, not theirs, and by the time that happens they're long gone and seldom learn of it. Of course I can help, I've got a Western education! Uh-huh... How to sustain the goodwill and good intent but channel it towards a more constructive outcome? http://journeytoforever.org/rural.html Rural development - If it's not broken, don't fix it - Fixing what's broken http://journeytoforever.org/community.html Community development http://journeytoforever.org/community2.html Community development - poverty and hunger Someone on another list just wrote this: IMO, and many others, an essential component in technology transfer is PARTICIPATION (Yes, in capitals) And participate is to be part of, to share. Only equals participate, non-equals only help or adhere or accept. Yea, verily... but it's difficult for Westerners not to be patronizing. Difficult but not impossible. regards Keith Let me know, on-line or offline, if i can be any further help. Regards Michael Allen Thailand Michael et al, Thank you for all the good information you have provided to my request. I'm still learning how this yahoo system works (replies to all; replies to group or what). I grew up in Samoa and periodically return to the various islands I know down that way. It bugs me greatly to note how dependent they are on diesel-electric production! Especially when palms and coconuts are everywhere. In Independent Samoa on the island of Savaii, the old colonial coconut plantations
[biofuels-biz] Hydrogen and Methanol
Can anyone tell me if Hydrogen can be made from Methanol? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Hemp and Methanol
Someone posted a note a while back about hemp being able to produce 1,000 gallons of methanol per acre. I was wondering what country would be the best place to grow hemp in, for both the climate and cost of land. Oh yah the legality as well Thanks Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer 972-488-0999 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Hemp and Methanol
Todd Thanks for the info, could you point me to some documentation or site that confirm that. I don't doubt you for a second, and that seems to be the general consensus but I am building business plan and need more info. Thanks Doug -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:13 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Hemp and Methanol Approximately 100 gallons per ton of feedstock. That would give between 500-1,000 gallons per acre of hemp depending upon the farming practice, after any oils were recovered. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Hemp and Methanol Someone posted a note a while back about hemp being able to produce 1,000 gallons of methanol per acre. I was wondering what country would be the best place to grow hemp in, for both the climate and cost of land. Oh yah the legality as well Thanks Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer 972-488-0999 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705064189:HM/A=1481646/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_flake/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1481646/rand=505712450 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Hemp and Methanol
Todd Thanks again, thats a great place for me to start researching. hehe even though I can't pronounce one of those words. -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:22 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Hemp and Methanol You could do a search for pyrolysis or wood gasification conversion. Calculating feedstock conversion ratios, stoichiometric or real world, is not exactly my area of expertise. The numbers I derived are based upon the real life yields of Canadian hemp farmers, dependant upon the end product desired and whether or not the fields were irrigated. Lynn Osburn published Energy Farming in America back in 1990 (maybe 1989). An online version is at http://www.hempcar.org/efia.shtml The references provided there should get you a further down the pike. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Hemp and Methanol Todd Thanks for the info, could you point me to some documentation or site that confirm that. I don't doubt you for a second, and that seems to be the general consensus but I am building business plan and need more info. Thanks Doug -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:13 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Hemp and Methanol Approximately 100 gallons per ton of feedstock. That would give between 500-1,000 gallons per acre of hemp depending upon the farming practice, after any oils were recovered. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Hemp and Methanol Someone posted a note a while back about hemp being able to produce 1,000 gallons of methanol per acre. I was wondering what country would be the best place to grow hemp in, for both the climate and cost of land. Oh yah the legality as well Thanks Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer 972-488-0999 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705064189:HM/A=1508984/R=2/id=noscript/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_02F/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1508984/rand=164928232 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hydrogen
At what tempature does hydrogen seperate from water, I was told around 900 degree's but this does not seem right to me. But I am totally clueless anyway. Any help would be apprciated. Thanks Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer 972-488-0999 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Fw: Observations about Turk's waste oil burner
Where do we download the plans to make this ? -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Fw: Observations about Turk's waste oil burner crossposted - Ted's not a member - Original Message - From: Ted J. Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.energy.homepower Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:46 AM Subject: Observations about Turk's waste oil burner After monitoring this group for awhile, I suppose I was looking for a project to do to teach me about alternate energy, but, being a law student on a very meager budget, I didn't see a project I could do until I saw Steve Spence's post re: Turk's waste oil burner; I downloaded the information, and thought that the outer cylinder simply provided a plenum for the forced air to enter the inner chamber sustaining the circular fire, so I took a small Uban coffee can, drilled about 30 holes about the circumference about 2 from the bottom, and took a nail to the holes, bending them so that they'd better funnel the air into the interior of the can considering the direction of the air flow, got some roof flashing, bent a plenum that went around the circumference of the coffee can, covering the holes, hooked it up to a spare hand held hair dryer (being follicaly challenge, I realized that I would have no further practical use of this appliance in the bathroom) Duct taped it all together and started the dryer, dropped the burning paper towel drenched in kerosene, and voila! This baby lit up like an afterburner! Once the veggie oil reached its volatile temperature and the kerosene burned off, the burn seemed to be sustainable, and the circular fire resembled a burning donut at the bottom of the coffee can, and was sustainable as long as the oil was present; as soon as the oil was depleted, the circular fire changed from a sustainable state to a failing state; being reduced in volume and intensity, and finally sputtering out, still the flames were circling the can, but greatly reduced, circling the remaining paper towel, seemingly still using the paper towel as a wick, burning off whatever volatiles were left. During the afternoon I tried using waste veggie oil from past dinners, fresh Wesson oil, peanut oil, and 90 weight; I don't usually eat a lot of fried food, but I used what I had saved, and it seemed to work just fine; I tried some peanut oil from my Fry Daddy (yeah, occasionally I fry shrimp in it), but I couldn't get the peanut oil to ever fire; after I ran out of used oil I had to use fresh Wesson (soybean oil) for each fire. The Wesson oil worked fine; the 90 weight worked fine, too (surprisingly, slower to light than the Wesson oil), but was obnoxious after getting used to the fumes from the Wesson! Bottom line: Turk's idea to use a circular fire to burn WVO works like a champ; Observations: This concept works; but there is no need for massy/expensive propane/freon canisters to test the concept, a single 16 oz. coffee can and some roof flashing is all you need; even using a small coffee can, this concept puts out an amazing amount of heat! While each initial burn seemed to be a wick system feeding a vortex (CAUTION: If this system is tested with a fixed amount of oil and the air supply is maintained after the oil is depleted, the wick (i.e., the original paper towel drenched in kerosene) can FLY OUT OF the coffee can on the force of the continued air supply and land outside of the can after the oil is depleted, still burning! Be careful! When this happened to me the darn thing landed about six inches away from the kerosene jug I was using to start the process!) After about fifteen burns, I tried to make the burn sustainable; the first time I tried to add oil to the process, I put out the flame! (assuming I dropped the temp to below the volatile temp of the oil) About the third try, I found out that slowly dripping the oil into the donut hole of the flame seemed to sustain the burn and add to the available fuel, whether or not the wick still is an actor in the process at this point in time is unknown; i.e., I think I need to yank the wick out of the can after the oil lites to see if the wick is necessary after the oil lites, I just don't know now; dripping the oil onto the donut part of the donut seemed to increase the rate of fire without increasing the intensity of the air supply. Clearly there is a critical temperature for the oil being used that must be reached in order for the oil to be available for the circular fire; how this is best achieved it stuff for future research; Once the oil lites, varying the air supply does and can regulate the rate of burn; using an X-10 lamp module, I was able to vary the speed of the air supply from the hair blower down to a very low level, putting the process on idle, but still burning oil,
RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Castor Bean oil
hi Len Check out this link http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html -Original Message- From: Len Walde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:32 AM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Castor Bean oil Hi: Does anyone have any information on castor bean oil for biodiesel? We have an interested client . Any anecdotal information would be appreciated. Best wishes and luck to all. Len Sigma Energy Engineering, Inc. Renewable Energy, Process Engineering Serving Agriculture, Industry Commerce through Symbiotic Recycling tm Ph: 925-254-7633 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705064189:HM/A=1481646/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_flake/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1481646/rand=812621482 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen from trash
Along with all the other materials that have been 'stored' over the years. Siphon off the Methane, ferment to Ethanol the organic sugers and starches, gasify the rest to Methanol and/or Fisher/Tropsh Diesel fuel, and process the remaining 'Ore' for Iron , Aluminum, Glass etc. The only remaining disposal problem is figuring out what to do with the resulting Hole in the ground! We use the hole to bury the Oil men, and some politicians, becuase everybody knows that deep deep down politicians are good people. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] gas or diesel?
Frank I recently went Diesel over gas, I will never go back to gas ever again. I say go diesel, you will most likely have to brew your own if you live in the US. There are not to many places the sell Biodiesel in the US, however when you can allways run dinodiesel when you are not close enough to home to refuel. I cant say much about small diesel trucks, I have a big one myself and it suits my needs. But many members of this group mention small diesel engines and trucks all the time. One of them should be able to sugggest something that will suit your needs. Good Luck!! Doug -Original Message- From: friknfrak94 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:57 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] gas or diesel? hello anyone im in the process of buying/researching a pickup. how does bio- deisel compare to gas? ive read comparisons for petro-diesel to bio- diesel and this has me considering a diesel, but what about higher efficient gas pickups like 96 toyota tacoma 6 cyl. to 96 dodge cummins diesel comparisons. should i plan on using only biodiesel and if so is homebrew the only realistic source. knowing that at times petro-diesel is the only available option (i.e state to state) not to mention the diesels i have found are twice the size of the toyota and very excessive for my needs ive been left questioning the best option. the only diesels trucks ive found locally are very large quad cab 1/4 ton long bed etc. i need a pickup very soon and want to as friendly to the earth as posssible as well as considering long term economics (maintenence of the heavy duty truck costs more) and need some friendly advice. gas or diesel? thanks for any helpful advice jared Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1481646/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_flake/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1481646/rand=659951095 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Just answered your own question Was:: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propigate.
A friend just told me that they thought that you could not import hemp based products into the US. But if my memory serves me correctly, I just wathced a news special here in Dallas that stated the DEA was trying to make any product that had hem in it illegal. Anyone have any feedback on this? In fact I think there are some shampoo's that have hemp in them. Thanks Doug -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:10 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Just answered your own question Was:: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propigate. The Anslinger -- Hearst hemp propaganda machine was funded by the BAA, Brewers Association of America. Some other fortune 500 like DuPont also backed it because hemp oil was used in paints. If you watch the credits in Reefer Madness you wil see BAA Kirk -Original Message- From: csakima [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:48 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Just answered your own question Was:: Hemp is not the myth that others would tend to propigate. Have you ever thought that ... maybe these advantages is WHY the powers-that-be went through the trouble in swaying the public into making it illegal (Drugs being just the excuse used to making it illegal). Cause personally .. I think the same thing happened to ethanol. The powers-that-be realized that ethanol could become the DIY'ers KEY to self-reliantly making fuel for oneself hence the hiring of the ATF to make if difficult to have a homemade distilling still at home.Same idea. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] And besides all that? You might (or might not) wish to look at hemp from the whole perspective, not just the narrow and simplistic aspect of oil. There is no other plant that can offer the combination of high biomass yield, rotational benefit and multiple end products. Five to ten ton/acre of oil, fibre, feed and cellulose with considerably less inputs than any other agricultural crop makes considerably more sense than pouring $80 of Round-Up on every acre of soybeans or rapeseed and achieving a considerably lesser total yield. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 3/10/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] REPOST Jet Computer Chip and Biodiesel
I thought this topic was already discussed but I could not find it in the archives. I wanted to know if anyone has any experience with the Jet chip and biodiesel fuel. I thought someone had posted that they had no problems with the jetchip and their biodiesel fuel and that it ran quite well. I also remember someone stating they thought the jetchip would wear out the engine quicker. The manufacturer claims you will get a 2-4 mpg increase which would be significant for my truck. I would think that biodiesel would work even better than dinodiesel with this chip but I wanted to get some feedback from those that have tried it, or are very knowledgeable in the area. Thanks Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1481659/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_yh1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1481659/rand=497712594 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
I am looking into different crops and oil costs as well. I did some checking on Sunflower oil but the numbers were discourageing. For 23 metric tons of crude Sunflower oil the cost is 960.00 US dollars PER metric ton. Or 22080.00 US dollars. 23 Metric tons is 48,000 pounds. That translates roughly into 6857 gallons, you do the math! Anyone have any suggestions on what oils I might look into that are more cost effective? -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:44 AM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/ http://hakan.vitools.net/ My .Net Card http://hakan.vitools.org/ About me http://vitools.com/ My webmaster site http://playa.nu/ Our small rental activities ** A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn't the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn't flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. -- Dresden James No flag is large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people -- Howard Zinn Nobody grows old merely by living a number of years. We grow old by deserting our ideals. Years may wrinkle the skin, but to give up enthusiasm wrinkles the soul. - Unknown Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705064189:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=858672942 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel
The price of Dinodiesel in Texas right now is 1.70 per gallon. -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:22 PM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel That makes 84 cents per liter or $3.25 per gallon. Sound like overpricing, but still in line or lower than European diesel prices at the pump now. In fact it is cheaper than diesel at the pump now, in many countries the veg oil in supermarkets are cheaper than the diesel at the pump. The heating oil is better to compare with, as I have done. Because the low taxation in US for automotive use, it might be the same thing. Distributor pricing in large quantities for production of biodiesel must be an other deal, since I heard that biodiesel at the pump is around $3 +/- 10% per gallon. In Europe the heating oil is now between 55 cents to 80 cents, depending on country, which is in parity with biodiesel and veg oil with same taxes. Buying rape seed and cold press it give a substantially lower cost for the veg oil and with commercial conversion to biodiesel give a price around 55 cents per liter and 55-70 cents depending on taxation. This with 10 years depreciation of investments and minimum 1.5 million liter production per year. Net profit 10-15%. At current heating oil prices it is close to parity between BD and DD. Hakan At 04:50 PM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: We purchased new soybean oil today at $14 for 4.3 gallons. This would be the equivalent of approximately $140 / barrel. It's got to be cheaper at that quantity. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Prices Biodiesel vs. Dinodiesel I have started to write Biofuel business in developing countries as a follow up to Structures of a biofuel business http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml Analyzing heating oil, that is the same as diesel, but not having the same tax structures that obscures the use of diesel in vehicles, I am coming to the following conclusions, To produce biodiesel as commercial venture, with demands on profits and professional equipment etc., the price needed is around 0.50 Euro($) per liter. It seems that an equal situation between biodiesel and dinodiesel is achieved with oil price at 36-38 $/barrel. At oil prices around 25 $ a barrel the difference is 20% to 25% advantage for dinodiesel. To compensate for a 25 $ a barrel, the biodiesel would need a full tax exemption in the case of heating oil. I expect that the oil price soon will stay above the $30 benchmark and this it is always an advantage to use biodiesel as heating oil. The reason for my expectation is that the world is now pumping oils at peak capacity and with a swing capacity around 2.5 million barrels a day. A war in Iraq would eat up almost all swing capacity and it will be nothing left to keep the price down. It is already clear that without a dramatic rise of production in Iraq, the expected growth in use cannot be met. Even a short war in Iraq, without any destroyed wells, and a rapid development of capacity, will not grow faster than the needed rise in demand. Tax exemptions for vehicle use are very much more complicated and need a larger political willingness to deal with the problem. This is to a larger extent important for Ethanol, since biodiesel can secure it's expansion as heating oil. It looks that we are now already in the window of opportunity for starting biofuel ventures. Any others who have done this kind of analyses of prices and predictions. I like to know what your conclusions are in that case. Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705064189:HM/A=1481646/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_flake/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1481646/rand=321727885 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech:
[biofuel] Jet Chip and Biodiesel
I thought this topic was already discussed but I could not find it in the archives. I wanted to know if anyone has any experience with the Jet chip and biodiesel fuel. I thought someone had posted that they had no problems with the jetchip and their biodiesel fuel and that it ran quite well. I also remember someone stating they thought the jetchip would wear out the engine quicker. The manufacturer claims you will get a 2-4 mpg increase which would be significant for my truck. I would think that biodiesel would work even better than dinodiesel with this chip but I wanted to get some feedback from those that have tried it, or are very knowledgeable in the area. Thanks Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] diesel
Steve Can you explain why 1800 rpm engines is important, or anyone else for that matter. I am curious to know, and to take the question even further are on-grid generators very expensive in the states? Thanks Doug -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:56 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel onan. among a few others. the key is 1800 rpm engines. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] diesel Does anyone have any suggestions for good home power diesel generators made for off grid power supply? not just as a backup thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=247054.3013923.4341105.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1471309/R=0/*http://mailplus.mail.yahoo.com/b2 http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=247054.3013923.4341105.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1471309/rand=172612314 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] off topic computer question
Hail Penguin Well actually I dont think we disagree at all. I said that MS fixes the security holes quickly and they do. As for other code problems I would not claim they fix it quickly. In fact alot of the problems with thier code they will not fix at all. Its interesting that you claim that MS uses OS for its code because when NT was first created its design was partially taken from VAX and Unix concepts code etc. I think DEC even sued MS over this. Anyhow I better shut up since this is really not about biofuels, we could discuss it further offline. Cheers Doug first off, if its religion Hail Penguin! You are probably right in that I haven't followed the thread all the time: sometimes the emails get overwhelming, I go mad with the del key! However I disagree with one thing you said above, that is that M$ fixes their problems quicker than OS, as quite often OS has to fix the problem first because quite a bit of M$ code is using OS. (If you don't believe me have a look at some M$ executables look for the text strings - ?) So by inference, M$ could not be quicker! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] off topic computer question
Lol Lol Doug I think that it is you that missed the point. I think maybe you did not read the original thread. And I say this because your statement seems to center around Linux Vs commercial software. And what I was responding to was the statement that No matter what do not use Outlook or Outlook Express it was a misleading statement, they also inferred that it was unsafe software to use. This is also untrue, however the point that I was making was that perhaps Outlook or Outlook Express is actually a little safer than other products like Eudora since they get so much attention from the hacking community and MS does fix the holes quickly. In a way the hacker community only helps Microsoft by exposeing these secuirty holes. There are plenty of security holes in the opensource software as well, and yes the open source developers do find and fix some of them. But they dont fix them all, open-source is not perfect code and its not any safer than commercial software. There is a lot of religion in computers, some are on the Microsoft bandwagon, some are on the Linux bandwagon etc. And there is even a subculture of peeps that just love to hate Microsoft. I dont subscribe to any of that narrowmined nonsense. Linux and Windows both have thier pro's and cons. I have been in the computer field for 16 years now, I have worked for MS and I also worked for a company that built high end NAS servers that in thier heydey displaced Sun's best servers. And what I learned was that its more religion than anything else. One is not really technically superior to the other, I feel that anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is an evangelist for his own point of view. Sorry, you are missing the point. Opensource software with released sourcecode, by its nature should be eminently hackablebut the reality is that it is not. Most security holes in Opensource software are found by Opensource developers actually looking for holes. These are then repaired. (The turnaround for these repairs can be extremely quick if the hole is seen to be a real threat) Commercial closed source software, on the other hand does not have this huge band of developers looking for problems, just the vandals, who see the code as a puzzle to be unlocked. These people are sometimes brilliant, but misguided. Once the flaw is discovered it gets promoted on the web unofficially. The problem is that now you have a commercial entity that has a problem, but won't admit it, only has limited resources to actually repair the problem, then hs to get it to the end users... I know which model I would trustSo I use Linux with its opensource protection support, have not run a viruschecker for 3 years (but only send accept text email anyway). I am reasonably computer savvy, but Linux in the latest releases is now easy enough to install maintain by novice users (I know this because there is a computer recycling program in Australia, that supplies needy groups individuals with 0 cost systems. There is web based support for the program.) So, why pay huge multi-national corporations for software when there are now extremely good distributions that will accomodate most users' needs (including, now fairly good file compatibility with MS Office.) regards Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=717416236 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] off topic computer question
Kieth You are taking statement from two different authors, I never said anything about spreading rumors. I did say that statement was unfair. It was misleading. -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 4:34 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] off topic computer question Hello Doug Here here Thank you Steve ... who said: Use what you want, but don't spread rumors. But haven't you just been spreading rumopurs about Eudora? endless cycle. Now take Eudora on the other hand it does not get nearly as much attention in the hacker community, but it does get hacked as well. However it does not get as much media attention, nor does it have the financial backing of Microsoft or its horde of engineers to fix the code. So I would bet that there are more security issues with lesser known products that are not fixed nor known by the general public but are known to a small group of hackers. So think about that for a while. ? Best Keith -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 4:54 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question So many folks not in the computer field recommend staying away from outlook and outlook express. I'm a network engineer with over 15 years experience. What do I use? OE6 (home) and Outlook XP (work), with good antivirus protection on the desktop and at the mail server. There is no risk of virus infection. Common sense, and protective software (which you should use no matter what operating system or client you use) and you are safe. Use what you want, but don't spread rumors. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question I am very pleased with Eudora, because of that viruses are normally not written for it and automatic execution protection is better. The main feature is that Norton Anti virus supports Eudora. Hakan And, no matter what you do, if you're in Windows, never use Outlook or Outlook Express, given their past history as vulnerable to various security problems, and particular targets for attacks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=827739461 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/abvVKB/pEZFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] off topic computer question
I disagree?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / Most security issues are dealt with long before they become a real threat to the public. Most viruses that spread across the internet do so because of irresponsible admins that did not update their servers with security patches for known issues. And as for the security issues or vulnerabilities that are exposed in Outlook Microsoft responds quickly with a fix. I am not advocating Outlook for everyone, I say use whatever suits your needs. But I feel that the statement made below was unfair, in fact I feel that Outlook probably more secure than most other if not all packages. The reason I think that is this, hackers are constantly hacking Microsoft products and finding new security holes in it, then Microsoft responds and fixes the security holes. It is an endless cycle. Now take Eudora on the other hand it does not get nearly as much attention in the hacker community, but it does get hacked as well. However it does not get as much media attention, nor does it have the financial backing of Microsoft or its horde of engineers to fix the code. So I would bet that there are more security issues with lesser known products that are not fixed nor known by the general public but are known to a small group of hackers. So think about that for a while. [Doug Allbright] -Original Message- From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:50 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question I am very pleased with Eudora, because of that viruses are normally not written for it and automatic execution protection is better. The main feature is that Norton Anti virus supports Eudora. Hakan And, no matter what you do, if you're in Windows, never use Outlook or Outlook Express, given their past history as vulnerable to various security problems, and particular targets for attacks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=898549984 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] off topic computer question
Here here Thank you Steve -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 4:54 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question So many folks not in the computer field recommend staying away from outlook and outlook express. I'm a network engineer with over 15 years experience. What do I use? OE6 (home) and Outlook XP (work), with good antivirus protection on the desktop and at the mail server. There is no risk of virus infection. Common sense, and protective software (which you should use no matter what operating system or client you use) and you are safe. Use what you want, but don't spread rumors. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] off topic computer question I am very pleased with Eudora, because of that viruses are normally not written for it and automatic execution protection is better. The main feature is that Norton Anti virus supports Eudora. Hakan And, no matter what you do, if you're in Windows, never use Outlook or Outlook Express, given their past history as vulnerable to various security problems, and particular targets for attacks. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=628953058 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/abvVKB/pEZFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption
Jean-Leon?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / I just wanted to help you out here after reading your response to Curtis's (Csakima) email. What I believe he was trying to say is simply this. SUV's do not have to be the gas guzzlers that most of them are to day. That they could be engineered to be much more fuel efficient than what they are today. And he is ABSOLUTEY correct. He never said that they could be made to be more fuel efficient than smaller lighter vehicles. I did not see where Curtis ever stated that he had better knowledge of engine theory than most automotive manufacturers. But who are you to infer that he does not? The fact is they already know how to do this they just don't. It cost more money to make them more fuel efficient. -Original Message- From: Jean-Leon Morin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:53 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV's and gas consumption Sorry for interrupting the train of thought, but this stuck... - AND I KNOW AN SUV DOES NOT HAVE TO EAT GAS. Please enlighten us as to how this is possible. I guess Newton's Force= Mass X Acceleration schpiel was, after all these years, wrong. Four wheel drive, a higher, boxier body, and larger rotational mass cannot be engineered to be more efficient than 2wd, lighter, less rotational mass. That's the way it is. You can build the most fuel efficient engine in the world, but it'll still be better if you reduce the work it has to do by moving less weight. You are a hotrodder? I think that the combination of skills available to most automotive manufacturers are better than what you can come up with by hotrodding a V8. Oh yeah, I drive a 1966 Land-Rover. It gets 10-15 mpg. Don't bother dejecting me as someone who doesn't get it, or, a yuppie wannabe. It snows a lot up here, and I do a lot of camping/backcountry in northern Quebec so I need a 4wd. As well, I do a lot of rough road driving so a truck that's on 4 leaf springs is a nice thing as it's very tough and easy to maintain. Right Keith? However, most of the time I could get by just fine with a small car. That's why I'm looking at buying a small car as a commuter, that will be VWO powered, and I'll keep the truck for when it's needed. As was said, I need a 4500 lbs,. twin winch, 4wd, 36 tired monster workhorse quite a bit, but I don't feel it is a good idea to drive one everyday. J-L Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=751873154 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S.
3.00 and 4.00 dollars a gallon OUCH OUCH OUCH I am so very pissed that diesel has reached 1.70 a gallon here. Hell I was angry when it was more than a dollar. I have never understood why gas cost so much more in Europe, not that I really ever thought about it much but it seems like rape to me. Someone please clue me in to why it cost so damn much over there. Doug -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 6:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S. $3.00 a gallon is fine by me. $4.00 and I'll start to complain. - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biofuel@yahoogroups.com; biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:54 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of gas prices in U.S. http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2003/March/01/local/stories/01local .htm Funny how the only article I could find discussing the dreaded I word Inflation is here, in a Canadian paper (must not have had to get through the censorship of the American media): http://www.simcoe.com/sc/barrie/story/915707p-1088721c.html If interest rates in the U.S. have to rise, I wonder what that will do to property values? I think a lot of folks have been focusing on that, some of them having lost some in the stock market decline, but having retained some value in their property. Natural Gas way up also: http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=LL http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=LLDate=20030301Categor Date=20030301Categor y=NEWSArtNo=303010341Ref=ARProfile=1004 don't make large bets prices will fall: http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0303/01/b05.html I didn't much like this article, as it attempts to claim that hybrids will never be looked at for their frugal gas use (let's try $5 per gallon and see who buys a hybrid), but it gave some perspective: Pragmatism trumps idealism, usually in buying a car: http://www.courier-journal.com/business/news2003/03/01/biz-3-car01-5235.html Iranian PPI up too: http://www.irna.com/en/head/030301161639.ehe.shtml Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=690001340 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!
what were these tanks used for ? -Original Message- From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:10 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Tanks Alot! Todd, Holy smokes did I find some killer tanks today. These things are completely enclosed stainless steel rectangular tanks. They have to be at least 600 gallons. Totally suited for methanol reclamaition - there is a hatch on top and a few fittings. Easily modifiable to add heat - or heck just build a fire underneath! Slight slope to drain on the the side. $600 wait a month and they will be $300 Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=556102477 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
Anyone have a clue on what these cost? Nothing on thier web site! -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 6:12 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors http://www.whispergen.com/ The revolutionary WhisperGen Personal Power Station is a micro combined heat/power generator based on an external combustion (Stirling) engine. It is the result of 8 years of design and development work by Whisper Tech Ltd.. Quiet clean burning and extremely efficient,. the WhisperGen is able to use a multitude of liquid or gaseous fuels and will change the way in which electricity is produced and distributed throughout the world. Mark Check out this link they have 5hp stirling motors, I personally don't know a thing about Stirling motors but all the hubub about stirling motors sparked my interest. I ran across this link from someones post in here. They are in Japan and I could not find a price anywhere on the web site. Hope this is of help to ya. http://www.stirling-tech.com/index.htm --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I am just waiting to see any real stirling motors that can do any appreciable amount of work and are available for purchase. Little kits that power fans from hot cups of coffee are great for the Captain Kangaroo bunch. But are there any real motors on the order of 5 bhp that arer available for purchase? Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? There is a group on Yahoo called SESUSA ( http://www.sesusa.org) . Good info there but I have not seen any real workable engines that would be considered a powerplant that is available to a regular joe. Still pretty exotic yet. Yours, Mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=553955880 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!
I am curious to know becuase I would like to know what I might keep my eyes open for. Yup I want my killer tanks too! -Original Message- From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:53 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Tanks Alot! Doug, Good question. I will definately try to find out exactly what was in them. Hope it wasn't something to icky! Mark --- Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what were these tanks used for ? -Original Message- From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:10 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Tanks Alot! Todd, Holy smokes did I find some killer tanks today. These things are completely enclosed stainless steel rectangular tanks. They have to be at least 600 gallons. Totally suited for methanol reclamaition - there is a hatch on top and a few fittings. Easily modifiable to add heat - or heck just build a fire underneath! Slight slope to drain on the the side. $600 wait a month and they will be $300 Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Fw: IS BUSH NUTS? by William ThomasÊ
Bummer I really want that info -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:38 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Fw: IS BUSH NUTS? by William Thomas Hey Doug, You've amused...I mean assumed wrongly. I just care to have a little supportive reference to studies or at least be informed of the principal making the assertion - not the off-hand factual dismissals correlating to an 8 ounce glass of fruit juice. Don't suppose you know of anyone chugging 18 glasses of tomato or orange juice each day, day in and day out do you? (12 x12 = 18 x 8) ? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Fw: IS BUSH NUTS? by William Thomas Hey Todd You being a journalist I would bet you could share some links or documentation that support your argument about aspartame. could you share them with us. Thanks Doug -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:59 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Fw: IS BUSH NUTS? by William Thomas I have too little time to deal with factual information, than to spend time reading misinformation. Motie If a person reads only what is acceptable to their own bias, then they are already fertile ground for, if not already victim of, mis- and dis-information - perfectly evidenced by your formation of an opinion based upon what you didn't read. Too bad, the last paragraphs even had some first-generation value to homebrewers who use methanol. Todd Swearingen Part of what you didn't read. Would you drink 6 to 12 cans of formaldehyde a day? It turns out that methanol in Aspartame converts to formaldehyde in the tissues. As Guildford wrote to USN Captain Eleanor Marino, Physician to the President (Feb. 21, 2002): 10% of a 200mg can of diet soda is straight methanol wood alcohol! Methanol is such a gross cumulative poison, the EPA's limit for drinking water is 7.8 mg daily. For serious addicts like Bush, the methanol intake can exceed 32 times the EPA's recommended limit... Now the punch line: Clinical case studies shows that, among other symptoms, Aspartame ingestion results in mind fog, feeling unreal, poor memory, confusion, anxiety, irritability, depression, mania, and slurred speech. [Neurology 1994] Alcohol-related brain damage is not helped by chugging formaldehyde. James Turner, consumer protection lawyer and author of The Chemical Feast learned that an Oct. 1980 FDA inquiry found that the formaldehyde formed by Aspartame actually eats microscopic holes and triggers tumors in the brain. That finding banned Aspartame from the food supply. But three months later, Searle CEO Donald Rumsfeld told that pharma giant's sales staff he would get Aspartame approved pronto. The next month, the FDA commissioner was replaced by Dr. Arthur Hayes. In Nov. 1983 the FDA approved aspartame for soft drinks. Under fire for accepting corporate bribes, Hayes went to work for Searle's public-relations firm. Searle lawyer Robert Shapiro coined the name NutraSweet. Monsanto bought Searle. Rumsfeld received $12 million for his help. Shapiro now heads Monsanto. The same revolving door swings wide for arms makers and the oil mafia. The Big Question is: Why hasn't Dick warned George that the diet drinks he's swilling are eating his brain and making him crazy? Crazy? Am I calling the President-Select of the Excited States crazy? Not me. As a journalist, I can only point out that published medical evidence goes frighteningly far in explaining GW's behavior. For certain, this good ol' boy should go in for a brain scan before being allowed to command more firepower than the next 11 nations combined. If George W. Bush is not crazy -- he's sure acting like it. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fw: IS BUSH NUTS? by William Thomas [snip] Hi Steve, I didn't resppond earlier in an attempt to not contribute to the high traffic volume of the list lately. I didn't bother to read that whole article. It turned me off almost instantly when he mentioned that Bush is 'unelected'. I figured that the rest of the article was likely to be similar Drivel. I have too little time to deal with factual information, than to spend time reading misinformation. Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=17050832 69:HM/A=1457554/R=0/* http://ipunda.com/clk/beibunmaisuiyuiwabei http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1457554/rand=468427294 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org
[biofuel] Two Biodiesel questions
RE: [biofuel] Re: Measuring Lye - Cheap Scales
Ed just call your local Scientific supplies store they will have it. I just did about ten minutes ago and I am waiting on a call back. Doug -Original Message- From: ehall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:53 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Measuring Lye - Cheap Scales On a similar note, anyone know where to get an inexpensive digital PH meter?? Thanks, Ed Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1464858/R=0/*http://www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_Cquo_1/g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1464858/rand=688925083 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Fw: IS BUSH NUTS? by William ThomasÊ
Hey Todd You being a journalist I would bet you could share some links or documentation that support your argument about aspartame. could you share them with us. Thanks Doug -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:59 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Fw: IS BUSH NUTS? by William Thomas I have too little time to deal with factual information, than to spend time reading misinformation. Motie If a person reads only what is acceptable to their own bias, then they are already fertile ground for, if not already victim of, mis- and dis-information - perfectly evidenced by your formation of an opinion based upon what you didn't read. Too bad, the last paragraphs even had some first-generation value to homebrewers who use methanol. Todd Swearingen Part of what you didn't read. Would you drink 6 to 12 cans of formaldehyde a day? It turns out that methanol in Aspartame converts to formaldehyde in the tissues. As Guildford wrote to USN Captain Eleanor Marino, Physician to the President (Feb. 21, 2002): 10% of a 200mg can of diet soda is straight methanol wood alcohol! Methanol is such a gross cumulative poison, the EPA's limit for drinking water is 7.8 mg daily. For serious addicts like Bush, the methanol intake can exceed 32 times the EPA's recommended limit... Now the punch line: Clinical case studies shows that, among other symptoms, Aspartame ingestion results in mind fog, feeling unreal, poor memory, confusion, anxiety, irritability, depression, mania, and slurred speech. [Neurology 1994] Alcohol-related brain damage is not helped by chugging formaldehyde. James Turner, consumer protection lawyer and author of The Chemical Feast learned that an Oct. 1980 FDA inquiry found that the formaldehyde formed by Aspartame actually eats microscopic holes and triggers tumors in the brain. That finding banned Aspartame from the food supply. But three months later, Searle CEO Donald Rumsfeld told that pharma giant's sales staff he would get Aspartame approved pronto. The next month, the FDA commissioner was replaced by Dr. Arthur Hayes. In Nov. 1983 the FDA approved aspartame for soft drinks. Under fire for accepting corporate bribes, Hayes went to work for Searle's public-relations firm. Searle lawyer Robert Shapiro coined the name NutraSweet. Monsanto bought Searle. Rumsfeld received $12 million for his help. Shapiro now heads Monsanto. The same revolving door swings wide for arms makers and the oil mafia. The Big Question is: Why hasn't Dick warned George that the diet drinks he's swilling are eating his brain and making him crazy? Crazy? Am I calling the President-Select of the Excited States crazy? Not me. As a journalist, I can only point out that published medical evidence goes frighteningly far in explaining GW's behavior. For certain, this good ol' boy should go in for a brain scan before being allowed to command more firepower than the next 11 nations combined. If George W. Bush is not crazy -- he's sure acting like it. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fw: IS BUSH NUTS? by William Thomas [snip] Hi Steve, I didn't resppond earlier in an attempt to not contribute to the high traffic volume of the list lately. I didn't bother to read that whole article. It turned me off almost instantly when he mentioned that Bush is 'unelected'. I figured that the rest of the article was likely to be similar Drivel. I have too little time to deal with factual information, than to spend time reading misinformation. Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1457554/R=0/*http://ipunda.com/clk/beibunmaisuiyuiwabei http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1457554/rand=468427294 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of
RE: [biofuel] (no subject)
You might take a look at this page for information on Oils and esters characteristics. It gives the different melting points of various oils http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html -Original Message- From: gumpon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:16 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] (no subject) Dear Keith I have the problem with the methyle ester we produced from stearin, crude or olein palm oil. When the temperature drops to about less than 15 or 10 C, the ester become solid waxy ( this might come from some of the stearin which was not converted to ester ?) but it become clear liquid again when the temperature increases. Do you have any idea or suggestion to solve this problem because we use this ester to run the locomotive in South of Thailand and this problem occured when the ambient temperature droped especially during the night. Regards Gumpon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
I went and checked that site out and the unit was 42,000 big ones. And that not with all the bells and whistles -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors Last time I asked the price was in the 5 digits. Wish in one hand and spit in the other to see which one fills up fastest. - Original Message - From: Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors I want one!! --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? I've seen their 1kW gennie in operation. It runs on biomass - wood chips, cobs and the like. Slick as a whistle, with their magnetically suspended piston. Sets into motion the imagery a bit like an overglorified pellet stove, coupled with the Stirling engine and a generator, all wrapped up in a portable and aesthetic package about the size of a 1-5 kW gasoline gennie. It's a great little unit, especially if the waste heat were coupled into a water or residence heating system. Just a bit on the pricey side though, as the few units made have been cast and prepared individually. It's going to take a seriously interested manufacturer to get the price down to the Home Depot (that's consumer warehouse) level. Todd Swearingen __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1457554/R=0/*http://ipunda.com/clk/beibunmaisuiyuiwabei http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1457554/rand=442001186 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Recycling Woodash
I recently learned that you could recycle woodash by using it to make lye soap (liquid) Can anyone tell me of other practical uses for woodash? Thanks Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Methanol in Australia.
The cheapest quote I have seen so far is 80.00 for a 50 gallon drum but that was buying 20 barrells at a time. -Original Message- From: matthewpozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 4:08 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Methanol in Australia. Can be got as low as about $180 here in Brisbane. Give a chemical company a call. Matt --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:38, you wrote: Hi Guys, Best Biodiesel site I have seen on the net. I am about to trial my fist batch of BD, but was surprised by the cost of methanol in AUS. As I am starting small, I am going to purchase a 20 litre drum of methanol. I was surprised it cost AUS$46 for 20L. To make DB with 20% meth does not seem very cost effective to start with.(46cents + per litre) My question to any AUS biodiesel makers is Where do you purchase cheap Methanol and how much Regards bradt Methanol is about $220/200L. Available most fuel Depots. Smaller quantities lways cost more. regards Doug PS Where RU? (I live on N Rivers, N NSW) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1457554/R=0/*http://ipunda.com/clk/beibunmaisuiyuiwabei http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1457554/rand=901141173 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England
Tricia Hi, first I want to say thanks for the information you have provided about the crop yields. I am pretty new to biodeisel and tottally new to this group. I have been looking for this information all over, but have had little clue as to where I would find it. Can you tell me where you got this info I am building a business plan for making Biodeisel and this is important information. Thanks Doug Allbright -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:13 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Corns yeilds 18 gallon/acre Soya yields 48 gallon/acre Cocunuts 287 gallon/acre Oil Palm635 gallon/acre Chokecherries 214 gallon/acre? Based on those yields, the price for Oil Palm should be 35 times better than corns? The retail price for Biofuel is $2.05-2.50/gallon. So we are talking about an Oil Palm crop that can produce $1,400 - $1,587.50 market value per acre comparing to $36.90 - $45/gallon for the corns? (Or other suitable plants for the climate and the processing capability) I don't know how many yields per year for these plants and maybe the harvest will be hard etc. But the BioFuel Accosiation or the Farmers groups should find a better BioFuel crops to grow, to make more money and provide better yield! Howcome the farmers states never put some funds to discover the best yield crops and encourange their farmers to at least switch some of their lands to grow these energy crops? By mass production to bring down the prices of BioFuel, then more drivers will switch to Bio Diesel vehicles. Can not believe that there are no organization or talents in the government in doing this job? To improve the productivity of the lands and to increase the incomes of the farmers. Farmers should use wisely your resources and voting right, not only helping to set up experimental farms to find the best crops for each states. Just like France and Italy, Biofuel should be tax free to help her to gain market share. And maybe later on, after BioFuel replaced good portion of the Fossil oil fuel. Go back to tax again, by that time, the BioFuel prices should be really reasonable! Hope to hear from the real farmers, I'm just speculating. There must have some organization will lead the farmers to plan their production to get the maximum market value of of the same land? The productivity of the farmers had been high, but you have to add in the market value consideration. To grow more valuable crops to make more money, the money will either goes to imported oil or goes to the farmers. - Original Message - From: norris hobson (SRI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:42 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] good oil crops for England The reasons are many: The markets are probably not in place The processing is not in place Farmers have the equipment and knowledge to grow and harvest corn, wheat soya etc. They will not commit their large farms to a crop which they do not know how to grow, harvest and sell. The claims for yields are probably based on research with trial plots and the yields from growing them in real conditions with pests and diseases that will get bigger as the crops get bigger are much lower. I'll take the example of hemp grown in the UK - it is a wonder crop, amazing yield, needs little fertiliser and chemicals as it grows so fast. Amazing tough fibre, seed can be used for biodiesel etc. But how much is grown. Around 2500 ha. even with a subsidy of around £500/ha. Why - because it is a bastard to harvest and the yields are much lower than the researchers quote, and hence the returns are lower. There is a small demand for it but a UK company has been working very hard for years to promote the crop, and their main market was/is the hurds used for horse bedding. What are chokeberries. Is it April 1st. Rob -Original Message- From: Tricia Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 February 2003 11:58 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] good oil crops for England Mr.Hartman posted a long message not long ago, voicing for the American Farmers. The income is lower and the cost is growing higher... And then there are discussion about these higher yield products, so why don't the farmers grow the better yield crops? African Oil plants or the chokecherries? Climate or weather limitation? Cost too high? (I may retire earlier to start my own farm, if these are the star crops for the future!) So why don't you? The growing demand of BioFuel and the corns and Soy beans are not the best sources for biofuel? Seem to be a simple solution but did I miss anything? Instead of asking for the government to keep on funding, maybe if the farmers switching to the higher yield crops. Then we will see some Farmer Tycoons over those oil Tycoons? - Original Message - From: Neoteric
