[Biofuel] canadian gouvernment ruled by terrorists?

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Fata Morgana?

Thursday 2.April, CBC Ottawa picked up the story and broadcasted in length
the connection of CDL and

Terrorism on the 6.00pm News!

So there I change my opinion about CBC as a Zionist controlled Medium to a
more balanced one!

But than I realized that all of this was only a very short blink of the sun
in a mostly overcloudet sky!

Nothing about the newsclip on their website,nothing about the subject in
other CBC Newscasts and back again to silence the issue!

Have any of the Canadian Listmembers seen the newscast from CBC on Thursday
2. or am I a victim of my own imagination?

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[Biofuel] canadian gouvernment ruled by terrorists?

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Here some background on kenneys motives to exclude Georges Galloway to enter
Canada

By Scott Weinstein


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An organization that planned to blow up Concordia University, and that the
FBI, the U.S. State Department, and U.S. courts have branded a 'terrorist
organization', has given advice to the Harper government that led
Immigration Minister Jason Kenney to barring a British MP from Canada.

A Kenney spokesman said Kenney first heard about British MP George
Galloway's visit from a Jewish Defense League (JDL) March 16 letter.

The Jewish Defense League, is categorized by the FBI as a "right-wing Jewish
terrorist group", founded in 1968 by ultra Zionist Meir Kahane. Kanahe then
founded the terrorist group Khach in Israel. JDL leader Meir Weinstein (no
relation to the author) boasts of getting the Canadian government to ban
Galloway.

Mr. Galloway, labeled a terrorist threat by the Conservative government, is
freely touring the U.S. now. Galloway is scheduled to speak in four Canadian
cities from March 30 to April 2 on "Resisting War from Gaza to Kandahar". He
plans to speak against the Conservative government's war in Afghanistan and
uncritical support for Israel, which is why his Canadian defenders - and
even some opponents - feel he is banned from speaking here.

The JDL can now claim further success because Concordia University just
forbade a planned Galloway live video feed into their auditorium, citing
Canada's banning his entry into the country.
 
The JDL's well documented history of terrorism

It is impossible that the Harper government is unaware that the JDL's
terrorism designation given how earnestly Canada and the US share such
information, and how public information of some of their dozens of domestic
terror acts is. (  See here)

The US State Department designated the JDL's Israeli affiliates, Kach,
founded by Kahane, and the Kahane Chai, named in honor of Kahane after his
murder, as "foreign terrorist organizations" - a decision recently upheld by
a   US Appeals Court. The
Israeli Cabinet declared them terrorist organizations in 1994.

Baruch Goldstein massacred 29 Palestinians praying in a mosque in Hebron.
The Jewish Defense League's  
states, "We view Dr. Goldstein as a martyr in Judaism's protracted struggle
against Arab terrorism. And we are not ashamed to say that Goldstein was a
charter member of the Jewish Defense League". 

The JDL is still active with Hebron's Jewish settlers, most visibly
remarkable for its hate graffiti such as: "Arabs to the Gas Chambers".  (
 See here)

 In a 1986 study of domestic terrorism, the US Department of Energy
concluded: "For more than a decade, the Jewish Defense League (JDL) has been
one of the most active terrorist groups in the United States. Since 1968,
JDL operations have killed 7 persons and wounded at least 22."

Despite their terrorist designation, and the post 9-11 war on terror, JDL
leaders, members and chapters still function unhindered by security agencies
in North America. One can only attribute it to the similarity between the
JDL's ideology and our governments' Middle East and Muslim policies.

In 2001, JDL leader, Canadian Irv Rubin and another member were convicted of
planning a terror attack in California against an Arab American congressman
and a mosque. Rubin was also accused of planning to bomb Concordia
University. Both JDL members were murdered in prison, although authorities
claim Rubin's slashed neck and two-story fall was a suicide.

Rubin's death appeared to be the end of the JDL in North America.
 
The JDL resurfaces in fertile Canada

Canadian Jewish critics of Israel have noted the Harper government's
numerous unholy alliances to contain opponents of its Middle East and
Afghanistan policies. Some believe that the little known Canada-Israel
Security Agreement maybe behind the Galloway ban. Certainly, the
Conservatives have provided a political terrain that is now fertile for the
JDL to operate.

It is contemptible that the Conservative government for "national security
reasons" bans outspoken anti-war critic and Palestinian supporter British MP
George Galloway while allowing a known terrorist organization a free pass to
operate in Canada and advise their policies.

Given that Concordia University's Security Department is run by a former
RCMP officer, we should question their readiness to accept such a
politicized chain of events leading to the University banning the Galloway
video feed.

The recent past appears forgotten and forgiven for the JDL, which resurfaced
in Toronto two years ago. Meir Weinstein
 answered the question by The
Jewis

Re: [Biofuel] Gaza backlash

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Bob,
The only one whoo seems not to know anything about the stuff is Obama!
But than he stoppt today the Trials for the Quantanamo prisoners.Maybe
change need fare more time as we are ready to give!
Regards
Fritz

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Hi all,
Sorry, can't post the live links as HTML is automatically scrubbed
so I'm afraid you'll either have to cut and paste or reformat to HTML and
add live link brackets but the effort is worth it. This is powerful stuff,
particularly the very informative piece headed "Beautiful Lady".
Regards,
Bob.


Sir Gerald Kaufmann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8&eurl=http://whatreallyhappened.co
m/

George Galloway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIpvrOJQ0J0&feature=related

CNN Who broke the ceasefire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfFMZ7Y-s_c&eurl=http://whatreallyhappened.co
m/

Beautiful Lady
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCBJjCiLGc&eurl=http://whatreallyhappened.co
m/node?page=3

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Re: [Biofuel] Israel and the Tar Sands

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Sorry Bob & all,
All the citations are hyperlinked at this website
http://mytown.ca/stainsby/
Regards,
Fritz

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Hi Fritz,
 Interesting piece but unattributed. Do you have a source for
this?
Regards,
Bob.

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Subject: [Biofuel] Israel and the Tar Sands

Hi everyone,

Here an article Macdonald sent me

Fritz

 

 

Israel and the Tar Sands

Share

Yesterday at 10:27pm

by Macdonald Stainsby
17 January 2009

Israel and the Tar Sands

That's right, Israel is a player in the Tar Sands of northern Alberta in a
multitude of ways and with a variety of impacts. While whole neighborhoods
of a small Palestinian city are currently under one of the most one-sided
bombardments imaginable, Cree, Dene and Metis populations-- as well as the
biosphere itself-- are also getting their Zionist due in northern Alberta
and elsewhere. People taking to the streets across what is commonly called
"Canada" are rightly denouncing the total complicity of the Harper
government (and the Ignatieff opposition) in Israeli crimes. Yet the other
side of the operation is also in practice: The settler state of Israel is
contributing to the decimation of indigenous territories in the tar sands
regions through technology, investment and more. There is an interplay here
as yet barely explored.

Many Palestinian solidarity activists within Canada have decried the
Canadian government becoming, along with the USA, in total lock step with
the Israelis on most votes, issues and declarations (even boycotting
anti-racism conferences that dare to call Zionism racism). The reasons are
usually understood as being ideological: Canada is an imperialist country,
supports the US-led war on terror, and is also founded upon the same
colonial settler process. Yet, there may be an even deeper connection
between Canada, Israel and global battles for dwindling supplies of fossil
fuel energy.

Unlike most of the region, Historical Palestine is not equipped with massive
fossil fuel deposits, whether speaking of oil or gas. Much like how
white-ruled South Africa developed technology to turn coal into oil during
the time that their state was under sanctions or how the German Nazi regime
turned to Estonian shale to produce oil during WWII, the Zionist state is
surrounded by states they do not have trade relations with and has opted to
produce very dirty forms of energy in a vain attempt to achieve energy
self-sufficiency. They have large oil shale deposits. There are two parts to
the Zionist energy strategy of note currently.

One of the attempts at this energy strategy traces back to the start up of
the corporation Ormat Industries in 1965(1), oddly (given the lack of
geology in historical Palestine for this plan) known primarily as a
geothermal energy pioneer. This is not the only form of energy that is
produced by Ormat, however. They are also heavily involved in what they call
"Recovered Energy Generation," a process that involves capturing waste
energy forms from industrial development. One of these is a very insidious
technology, designed to burn off literally the bottom of the barrel of the
dirtiest of all "oils", oil shale. This has been dubbed "cogeneration". It
can produce over 8 times more greenhouse gas emissions than "sweet,
conventional" crude.

Unlike tar sands production, not even last years all time record highs for
oil prices have yet made oil shale production viable or attractive, when one
factors in the energy return on energy invested (EROEI). Virtually none of
the worlds oil shale deposits have yet to reach a level of technological
innovation to produce commercially (Estonia, with among the highest quality
shales, being the only exception). But in what Zionists call Israel, "some
15% of the country is underlain by Oil Shale beds(2)," according to an
Israeli government website. And to get this "oil" (it would need a massive
upgrading, conversion and refining process to turn the shales into a
synthetic oil) at an energy dividend will require a lot of practice. Alberta
has lots of bitumen that can be extracted in a very similar manner.

Ormat has figured out how to make EROEI come on the plus side a lot easier.
Oil Shale will produce, aside from massive water waste and tremendous scars
on the earth, a lot of left-over gunk. The gunk cannot be processed into
anything resembling known fuels, but this waste will indeed burn. Ormat has
found a way to partially power the very project that is carrying out the
shale production with gunk left over from th

[Biofuel] Israel and the Tar Sands

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi everyone,

Here an article Macdonald sent me

Fritz

 

 

Israel and the Tar Sands

Share

Yesterday at 10:27pm

by Macdonald Stainsby
17 January 2009

Israel and the Tar Sands

That's right, Israel is a player in the Tar Sands of northern Alberta in a
multitude of ways and with a variety of impacts. While whole neighborhoods
of a small Palestinian city are currently under one of the most one-sided
bombardments imaginable, Cree, Dene and Metis populations-- as well as the
biosphere itself-- are also getting their Zionist due in northern Alberta
and elsewhere. People taking to the streets across what is commonly called
"Canada" are rightly denouncing the total complicity of the Harper
government (and the Ignatieff opposition) in Israeli crimes. Yet the other
side of the operation is also in practice: The settler state of Israel is
contributing to the decimation of indigenous territories in the tar sands
regions through technology, investment and more. There is an interplay here
as yet barely explored.

Many Palestinian solidarity activists within Canada have decried the
Canadian government becoming, along with the USA, in total lock step with
the Israelis on most votes, issues and declarations (even boycotting
anti-racism conferences that dare to call Zionism racism). The reasons are
usually understood as being ideological: Canada is an imperialist country,
supports the US-led war on terror, and is also founded upon the same
colonial settler process. Yet, there may be an even deeper connection
between Canada, Israel and global battles for dwindling supplies of fossil
fuel energy.

Unlike most of the region, Historical Palestine is not equipped with massive
fossil fuel deposits, whether speaking of oil or gas. Much like how
white-ruled South Africa developed technology to turn coal into oil during
the time that their state was under sanctions or how the German Nazi regime
turned to Estonian shale to produce oil during WWII, the Zionist state is
surrounded by states they do not have trade relations with and has opted to
produce very dirty forms of energy in a vain attempt to achieve energy
self-sufficiency. They have large oil shale deposits. There are two parts to
the Zionist energy strategy of note currently.

One of the attempts at this energy strategy traces back to the start up of
the corporation Ormat Industries in 1965(1), oddly (given the lack of
geology in historical Palestine for this plan) known primarily as a
geothermal energy pioneer. This is not the only form of energy that is
produced by Ormat, however. They are also heavily involved in what they call
"Recovered Energy Generation," a process that involves capturing waste
energy forms from industrial development. One of these is a very insidious
technology, designed to burn off literally the bottom of the barrel of the
dirtiest of all "oils", oil shale. This has been dubbed "cogeneration". It
can produce over 8 times more greenhouse gas emissions than "sweet,
conventional" crude.

Unlike tar sands production, not even last years all time record highs for
oil prices have yet made oil shale production viable or attractive, when one
factors in the energy return on energy invested (EROEI). Virtually none of
the worlds oil shale deposits have yet to reach a level of technological
innovation to produce commercially (Estonia, with among the highest quality
shales, being the only exception). But in what Zionists call Israel, "some
15% of the country is underlain by Oil Shale beds(2)," according to an
Israeli government website. And to get this "oil" (it would need a massive
upgrading, conversion and refining process to turn the shales into a
synthetic oil) at an energy dividend will require a lot of practice. Alberta
has lots of bitumen that can be extracted in a very similar manner.

Ormat has figured out how to make EROEI come on the plus side a lot easier.
Oil Shale will produce, aside from massive water waste and tremendous scars
on the earth, a lot of left-over gunk. The gunk cannot be processed into
anything resembling known fuels, but this waste will indeed burn. Ormat has
found a way to partially power the very project that is carrying out the
shale production with gunk left over from the extraction process. They have
even patented the procedure, "OrCrude"(3). Most importantly, Ormat is the
parent corporation for the Canada based energy company, Opti(4). Why did
they do this? In their own words:

"In the early 1990s, Ormat developed a technology for producing oil from
shale. But with oil prices low at the time, the Israeli government was
unwilling to back an ambitious project to develop the country's huge shale
reserves.

Now, Ormat has adapted the technology for use in the tar sands of Canada's
Alberta province, where it's being used in a project run by Opti Canada set
to begin production this year."(5)

Opti, in partnership with Nexen, runs by far the largest of all the Steam
assisted gravity Drainage [SagD] tar sands projects. South of Fo

Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Sorry Roberto,
I forgot the Mohawks!
So it looks like, Israel took lessons in genocide from the Yankees!
This explains a bit the compliance of the US! and Canada to... but than
Harper said in his excuse to the Natives...: "some of the Children even
died" did he wanted to say some 50 000 ??? (www:hiddenfromhistory.org)
Fritz

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Friedrich Friesinger wrote:

>Roberto,
>And still there is an other small difference,Niagra-falls is not besieged
>and more so not for 60 Years and no US American stole the Land of the
>Niagrans
>  
>

I think the Mohawks might disagree with that . . .

>There is a miserable failure to the international community to accept this
>genocide!
>Eli Wiesel sayd the on who stands by and does nothing to prevent the
killing
>is as guilty as the one who kills!
>We need a global actionplan to counter this deterioration of humandignity
>  
>

But with so much killing going on, it's hard to feel empathy after 
awhile.  With so much misery in the world, it can begin to feel 
overwhelming.

robert luis rabello
"The Edge of Justice"
"The Long Journey"
New Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

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Re: [Biofuel] Eyeless in Gaza

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Roberto,
And still there is an other small difference,Niagra-falls is not besieged
and more so not for 60 Years and no US American stole the Land of the
Niagrans
There is a miserable failure to the international community to accept this
genocide!
Eli Wiesel sayd the on who stands by and does nothing to prevent the killing
is as guilty as the one who kills!
We need a global actionplan to counter this deterioration of humandignity
Fritz

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Keith Addison wrote:

>Noting that Israel was bent on halting Hamas rocket fire into its 
>southern towns, Reid said: "I ask any of my colleagues to imagine 
>that happening here in the United States. Rockets and mortars coming 
>from Toronto in Canada, into Buffalo New York. How would we as a 
>country react?"
>
>Co-sponsor and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky 
>Republican said before the vote: "The Israelis ... are responding 
>exactly the same way we would."
>  
>

Now THAT is a frightening statement!  If some loonies in Niagara 
Falls lob a few rockets toward Buffalo, the United States would launch 
an overwhelming military response to crush the Canadian government?  
Sometimes I wonder if these people are actually THINKING!


It just goes to show, however, that even with the new Congress in 
place, the more things change, the more they remain the same . . .

robert luis rabello
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[Biofuel] Israeli Invasion and Gaza's Offshore Gas Fields

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Keith and all,

Here some more on the Gazaconflict

Fritz

 

War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza`s Offshore Gas Fields. 

Read the article at

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va
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Re: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hey Peter,
i am strukt a bit by you logic

 there is a clear chain of command
> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.

So,Man is before Woman,than Child and so forth
I think God made a mistake on this one, if Woman would be before Man i think
we would have more Peace on Earth...
And about Children,there is nobody more honest than Children why dont we let
them call the shots for a while???
Fritz
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Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] He talks to God - warning - more Christian content.


> Hi Mel ;
>
> Yes quite humourous (and yes America was
> stolen/conquered).  It doesn't sound like you are
> expecting a logical answer.  I'll try to give you one
> anyway.
>
> Most of the strange rules you listed were from the old
> testament..  There were very legitimate reasons for
> sacrificing a bull, observing the Sabbath,  and so
> forth.  I could explain them to you but it would be a
> very long post.  Anyway, when Christ walked the earth
> he gave us a new covenant.
>
> Homosexuality is not the only abonimation before God.
> Much of what we think is good is an abomination before
> God.  Love of money, a proud look, materialism,
> boasting, promiscuity, etc.  This shows me how far we
> as a society have wandered.
>
> > But what are learned and cosmic conscious citizens
> > of the universe supposed to do with such
> > backwardness and dogmatism?
>
> Please ty to keep in mind is that EVERY generation
> thinks it is "enlightened".  Only time proves how
> wrong they all were.
>
> In the war with Iraq, I was fascinated to watch the
> tactics of the US forces.  One thing they did was to
> try to get the Iraq soldires to disobey orders.  If
> there is one way to create havoc in the opposing army
> it is to get the solders to disobey orders.  When the
> chain of command is broken and solders start making
> their own orders, the army will disintegrate.  That's
> why we have court marshals.  This does not mean that
> all generals are brilliant, but if a general is making
> poor choices, then we need to fix that problem.  The
> solution would never be to let the soldiers make the
> orders.
>
> What worries me most about the "enlightenment" of
> today is the source of the "enlightenment".  The  page
> at rense.com said this perhaps better than I can.  As
> in any army, and speaking from a Christian
> perspective, there is a clear chain of command
> eatablished by God. The order is God > Jesus > Man >
> Woman > Child > Criminal > Satan.  In our current
> "enlightenment" the chain of command is being turned
> upside down.  It will become Satan > Criminal > Child
> > Woman > Man > Jesus.
>
> Once you understand this you can understand all the
> apparent madness in the world and where it is coming
> from.  There is a war on for your soul and there is no
> surer way to loose the war then to turn the chain of
> command upside down.  This is what is happening due to
> our "enlightenment".  The days are coming (already
> here to some extent) when children will put their
> parents in jail on a whim.  Children and criminals
> will be in charge.  No surer way to loose their souls
> (and everyone else's) than to put them in charge.
> There is a method to the madness.  "Enlightenment" is
> in reality a cruel death spiral.
>
> All the apparent madness in the world can be
> understood by asking a simple question : "How many
> souls have been lost today?".  When you look at it
> from this perspective, you can suddenly understand all
> the madness in the world and where it is coming from.
>
> There is another small problem with "embracing all
> religions".  I agree it sounds very resonable,
> peaceful, and "cosmic conscious".  But as a Christian
> I believe that a time is coming where this won't be an
> option.  In other words, a time is coming when you
> will need to make a life or death choice between God
> and Satan.  This will be the most difficult decision
> you will ever make.  No-one could make that decision
> without preparation and many years of meditation.  A
> person "embracing all religions" won't be prepared to
> enter the test.  Let's hope I'm wrong about all this.
>
> List participants of different faiths may not
> understand or agree with my statements (very sorry
> about that).  Some Christian list participant will be
> able to listen and understand.
>
> Peace!!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Peter G.
> Thailand
>
>
>
> --- Mel Riser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Oh Peggy it WAS marvelous here in Austin tonight.
> >
> > I too was outside looking at the colors and how the
> > pink lit up the whole sky and the clouds.
> >
> > The point is here that NO ONE has a monopoly on God
> > and it's different for everyone.
> >
> > I personally read the Urantia book and like the
> > Bahaii faith, as it embraces all religions.
> >
> > But what are learned and cosmic consciou

Re: [Biofuel] the vote

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hey Brian,
dont you forget,that GWB has good connections to the Bin Laden Family!
How about he asked for that Tape to support his reelection?
Fritz
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] the vote


> > I'm surprised that none of the
> > talking heads
> > are talking about the effect that the Osama video possibly had on the
> > election. i
> > think it scared some people into the Bush camp.
>
> I think that was exactly the intention of the video.  The fact that it
> read like a Kerry campaign speech makes that even more obvious.  Osama was
> afraid of losing HIS base, and did what he needed to assure that his
> choice for President was re-elected.  And, the mindless sheep lined up to
> follow.
>
> >
> > Ultimately, I am more convinced than ever that even demonstrations
> > of hundreds of  thousands against the horrific war in Iraq will not be
> > effective in moving public opinion in the US until massive numbers of
> > US forces are killed and astounding numbers of Iraqis and other Arab
> > people are slaughtered with still no end to the war in sight.
>
> American casualties do not matter to this administration, as long as they
> are not obstructed in the acheivement of their goals.  And, I do not
> believe that any of us know what their goals even are.  We all have
> guesses, but I think that we think in far too simple of terms.  As for
> Arab casualties, I don't think that there is any hope for that to sway the
> public.  Americans have far too much of a "we're number 1" attitude, and I
> fear that the majority view every Arab death as a point for the home team.
>  It's a horrible realization to come to, but to the average American Arabs
> are "the enemy," and as a group we do not have the capacity to see them as
> human beings with the same goals that we have.  So, until "they" start
> scoring more points than "we" do, the American public will not be moved.
> That is the kind of arrogance with which we live.
>
> Brian
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Luis,
the cheapest Glue would probably a Kaseinglue be! 9parts withe chease and
one part chalk mixed with water and thinned out well!
Bone and hideglue is fairly easy to make,but i would have to look up some of
my books for the recepie
Fritz
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing


> Dear Burak:
>
> Many thanks for your interesting post.  I wonder if you could suggest
which
> glue formula to use for
> the saw dust fuel logs.
>
> Perhaps you could throw in some more ideas.
>
> Very best wishes,
>
> Luis R. Calzadilla
> Contactos Mundiales USA
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Peter,
my Rip and Sawdust (all dry less than 10%) is collected in a 5ft x 5ft x5ft
Storagecontainer,with Airfilterbags abouve and the Briquettepress under.
a continuos Screw like arm goes inside the Container around and fills the
loading zylinder from there the Rip is pushed by a Piston in the
Presszylinder.
Than the Presspiston pushes the stock with 380bars in the Pressclamb,wich
opens at a certain moment to let the pressed Briquette out.There is a 5 Kw
3 phase Motor,a Hydraulicpump and all Pistons are hydraulic activated.
a pretty elaborated Controlpanel is coordinating the pressing.
I heat my house with Briquettes and partly my Shop (illegal since i am not
allowed to burn "Waste" in an industrial shop)
The Briquettes come out bonehard and give a beautiful Fire,once in glow,the
Briquettes are falling appart,but burn completely out,there is almost no
ashes!
A important prerequisit is,the Rip and the Sawdust must be Dry.The machine
can not handle wet stock!
you can look at my machine under www.spaenex.de  go to Briquettepresses
my Model is SHB50
if you need more info about dont hesitate to ask
Fritz
- Original Message - 
From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing


> Hi Fritz ;
>
> I have access to a small regular supply of sawdust for
> free.  Can you tell us a little about your process?
>
> Hydraulic or mechanical? What pressure?  Is it
> homebuilt?  Do you heat the die? How big is the die?
> Did you make the die yourself?  How? Do the briquetts
> stay together when burning?  How do you burn
> (fireplace, stove, gasify)?  Are there any web links
> which explain the  process that you use?
>
> Best  Regards,
>
> Peter G.
> Thailand
>
> --- Friedrich Friesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Greg,
> > you dont need any additives to press Sawdust to
> > Briquettes,i make Briquettes
> > every Day with my Woodshavings only by compressing
> > it
> > Fritz
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust
> > processing
> >
> >
> > > Make BioDiesel, then use the glycerin glop as a
> > binder and use a brick
> > press
> > > to compress into a log/chunk, let harden
> > Alternatively mix the saw dust
> > > with a drying oil or warm pitch or other similar
> > substance ( shellac ?)
> > that
> > > can be obtained locally, then compress with a
> > prick press, then let
> > harden.
> > >
> > > Greg H.
> > >
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 23:42
> > > Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust
> > processing
> > >
> > >
> > > > Greetings all
> > > >
> > > > I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any
> > advice for them? They're
> > > > not list members, but I'll forward any
> > responses.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > From: "National Development Foundation"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: Information on Sawdust processing
> > > > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600
> > > >
> > > > National Development Foundation
> > > >
> > > > 63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road,
> > Maharagama, Sri Lanka.
> > > >
> > > > Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776
> > E-mail:
> > > >
> >
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > Monday, October 25, 2004,
> > > >
> > > > Journey to Forever Organisation.
> > > >
> > > > Dear Sir/Madam,
> > > >
> > > > Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making
> > organisation devoted to
> > > > development through self-help development
> > programmes. We also
> > > > carryout environmental protection programmes
> > with local communities
> > > > in Sri Lanka.
> > > >
> > > > Recently we were informed of a l

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Greg,
you dont need any additives to press Sawdust to Briquettes,i make Briquettes
every Day with my Woodshavings only by compressing it
Fritz
- Original Message - 
From: "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing


> Make BioDiesel, then use the glycerin glop as a binder and use a brick
press
> to compress into a log/chunk, let hardenAlternatively mix the saw dust
> with a drying oil or warm pitch or other similar substance ( shellac ?)
that
> can be obtained locally, then compress with a prick press, then let
harden.
>
> Greg H.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 23:42
> Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing
>
>
> > Greetings all
> >
> > I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any advice for them? They're
> > not list members, but I'll forward any responses.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: "National Development Foundation" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Information on Sawdust processing
> > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600
> >
> > National Development Foundation
> >
> > 63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road, Maharagama, Sri Lanka.
> >
> > Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776 E-mail:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Monday, October 25, 2004,
> >
> > Journey to Forever Organisation.
> >
> > Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> > Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making organisation devoted to
> > development through self-help development programmes. We also
> > carryout environmental protection programmes with local communities
> > in Sri Lanka.
> >
> > Recently we were informed of a long-standing problem in a suburban
> > city, due to sawdust. There are large numbers of timber mills,
> > carpentry workshops and woodwork centers in the area. They produce
> > tons and tons of saw dust and dump them into the nearby lake
> > polluting the area. Recently the government has no other alternative,
> > but found another dumping site and the sawdust is now dumped in this
> > site spending large sums of money for transportation. For a
> > developing country like ours this type of spending is unaffordable.
> >
> > We have been trying to find a solution to re-cycle and use saw dust.
> > As we understand, it is possible to make Sawdust Bars - fire logs,
> > briquettes etc or even insulating boards if properly experimented. We
> > were also made to understand that there are many organisations,
> > private sector companies engaged in this business.
> >
> > We thought of searching for a simple technology that could be
> > introduced to the low-income generation groups in the area,
> > especially to the women, who could produce some type of an item to
> > the market, could be a fire log, a briquette or an item that could be
> > used in daily life.
> >
> > If we could introduce this type of a technology then it will help the
> > poor to generate income. On the other side it will arrest the
> > pollution problem in the area and save public money that is spent at
> > present for clearing and dumping.
> >
> > Considering the above we are very much obliged if you could help us
> > in finding a technological enterprise who would willing to conduct an
> > investigation on this matter.
> >
> > Since ours is a NGO, we are unable to fund such a programme. If the
> > programme proves to be successful, we may be able to convince a
> > suitable and sympathetic funding agency to support the initial stages
> > of this challenging project.
> >
> > I send an article as an attachment to this e-mail that describes the
> > problem in the area.
> >
> > We sincerely hope that you will give your sympathetic consideration
> > to this request.
> >
> > Thanking you and hoping to hear from you favourably,
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> >
> > Upali Magedaragamage,
> >
> > Executive Director,
> >
> > NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Attachment:
> >
> > Consuming the Bolgoda... : An eco-system in peril
> >
> > by RAPTI SIRIWARDANE-de ZOYSA
> >
> > Saturday, August 07, 2004 5:19:50 PM
> >
> > It has already been said a countless number of times, in a
> > considerable number of ways by a numerous number of people, from
> > journalists and environmentalists to the local communities inhabiting
> > the area. For indeed, thanks to widespread and sustained media
> > attention, activists and NGOs have been able to garner support
> > pushing for the conservation of the Bolgoda Lake and its surrounding
> > wetlands.
> >
> > The uncontrolled dumping of industrial effluent, agricultural
> > pesticides and untreated sewage leading to depleting mangrove
> > reserves and the immense loss of biodiversity, an ever-increasing
> > population density due to its recreational value and scenic bea

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Keith,
is there any information about quantitys and kind of sawdust availible?
These poeple shold first look for a site where they can collect the Sawdust,
i presume,the Sawdust is from green Lumber,mostly exotic species,wich have a
devastating effect ,dumped in Water!But Sawdust is a verry good resource to
make Woodbriquettes or Pellets and brougth to the markets!There are
different possibilitys to make low cost Briquettes or Firelogs.I would need
a bit more info about
Thanks for posting this topic
Fritz
- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:42 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Information on Sawdust processing


> Greetings all
>
> I was sent this by an NGO in Sri Lanka. Any advice for them? They're
> not list members, but I'll forward any responses.
>
> Thanks!
>
> regards
>
> Keith
>
> 
>
> From: "National Development Foundation" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Information on Sawdust processing
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:13:12 +0600
>
> National Development Foundation
>
> 63/2, Yahampath Mawatha, Piliyandala Road, Maharagama, Sri Lanka.
>
> Tele: +(94)-011-5526679 or +(94)-011-5522776 E-mail:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Monday, October 25, 2004,
>
> Journey to Forever Organisation.
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> Ours is a Non-governmental, non-profit making organisation devoted to
> development through self-help development programmes. We also
> carryout environmental protection programmes with local communities
> in Sri Lanka.
>
> Recently we were informed of a long-standing problem in a suburban
> city, due to sawdust. There are large numbers of timber mills,
> carpentry workshops and woodwork centers in the area. They produce
> tons and tons of saw dust and dump them into the nearby lake
> polluting the area. Recently the government has no other alternative,
> but found another dumping site and the sawdust is now dumped in this
> site spending large sums of money for transportation. For a
> developing country like ours this type of spending is unaffordable.
>
> We have been trying to find a solution to re-cycle and use saw dust.
> As we understand, it is possible to make Sawdust Bars - fire logs,
> briquettes etc or even insulating boards if properly experimented. We
> were also made to understand that there are many organisations,
> private sector companies engaged in this business.
>
> We thought of searching for a simple technology that could be
> introduced to the low-income generation groups in the area,
> especially to the women, who could produce some type of an item to
> the market, could be a fire log, a briquette or an item that could be
> used in daily life.
>
> If we could introduce this type of a technology then it will help the
> poor to generate income. On the other side it will arrest the
> pollution problem in the area and save public money that is spent at
> present for clearing and dumping.
>
> Considering the above we are very much obliged if you could help us
> in finding a technological enterprise who would willing to conduct an
> investigation on this matter.
>
> Since ours is a NGO, we are unable to fund such a programme. If the
> programme proves to be successful, we may be able to convince a
> suitable and sympathetic funding agency to support the initial stages
> of this challenging project.
>
> I send an article as an attachment to this e-mail that describes the
> problem in the area.
>
> We sincerely hope that you will give your sympathetic consideration
> to this request.
>
> Thanking you and hoping to hear from you favourably,
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Upali Magedaragamage,
>
> Executive Director,
>
> NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION.
>
> ---
>
> Attachment:
>
> Consuming the Bolgoda... : An eco-system in peril
>
> by RAPTI SIRIWARDANE-de ZOYSA
>
> Saturday, August 07, 2004 5:19:50 PM
>
> It has already been said a countless number of times, in a
> considerable number of ways by a numerous number of people, from
> journalists and environmentalists to the local communities inhabiting
> the area. For indeed, thanks to widespread and sustained media
> attention, activists and NGOs have been able to garner support
> pushing for the conservation of the Bolgoda Lake and its surrounding
> wetlands.
>
> The uncontrolled dumping of industrial effluent, agricultural
> pesticides and untreated sewage leading to depleting mangrove
> reserves and the immense loss of biodiversity, an ever-increasing
> population density due to its recreational value and scenic beauty,
> and now the construction of the Colombo - Matara Expressway to join
> the long catastrophic laundry list, inevitably prompts
> socio-environmental calls-to-action. An entire eco-system is in
> peril. That was what it was called before, and quite rightly too.
>
> Research
>
> Situated in the Western Province of Sri Lanka, it is part of both the
> Colombo and the Kalutara Distric

Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hey,
how about an old fashion Ax,thats how i doe it in Canada!
Fritz
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From: "Michael Fleetwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Electric Yard Tools (was Trees and power companies)


> Hi.
> I built one using a long pneumatic cylinder - tried using a jack but found
> it hard to get enough speed and momentum to the wedge to make it effective
> in splitting  the log. The whole project turned out to be a lot more
> expensive and difficult than first thought although it does work well -
> runs off a 20 cfm compressor.
>
> Mike
> Canberra, Australia.
>
> At 04:46 PM 22/10/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >Steve, I would like to hear what you think of the electric chain saw and
log
> >splitter when your evaluation is done.
> >
> >I have an old 14-inch, 110-volt AC chain saw.  It doesn't get much work,
> >but I'm
> >always pleased with it when I do use it.  Not for professional
> >lumberjacks, but
> >quite adequate for yardwork.
> >
> >I'm thinking about building a log splitter, probably based on a motor and
> >screw
> >jack rather than hydraulics, but I have not done enough investigation yet
> >to be
> >sure which way to go.  Spent about six hours near a gas-powered unit a
> >couple of
> >weekends ago - really want to avoid doing that again.
> >
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Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry

[Friedrich Friesinger]

I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!!
Fritz
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From: "Doug Younker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry


> Well it was the adults who elected gwb in 2000. A man even prior to 9-11
who
> was proven eager to lie or waffle,  however you want to put it, if it
served
> his ends.  Worse yet who was effectively willing to deal with the Taliban
> terrorists on Nov. 10, 2001. Using gwb's own rhetoric to judge him by, he
> should be on trial for criminal negligence, much less removed from office.
> I rather would have better choices but, I don't see that happening anytime
> soon.
> Doug
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
>
>
> : Good thing we don't let kids vote. Of course they believe whatever their
> parents do at that age. That's why we let them develop brains before we
let
> them vote.  Republicans don't let their kids watch Nickelodeon, they have
> more sense than that ;-)
> :
> : Here's hoping for 4 years of anyone but Kerry. Hank the Angry Drunken
> Dwarf maybe? Won't be the first time a dead man got voted in for office.
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Jennifer,
What doe you expect?
if it looks dumb,sounds dumb and acts dumb it is fore shure DUMB !!
Fritz
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From: "Jennifer Doty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide


> I am glad to hear that.  I believe that most people on this list are
> intelligent enough to not carry those same views.  What is sad is that
half
> of America is not that smart.  They don't see the truth in front of them,
> and choose to remain ignorant.  They call it patriotism, I call it stupid.
> It is no wonder why the US is becoming the laughing stock of the world.
We
> used to tell "dumb Pollock" jokes, now every one else is telling "dumb
> American" jokes.  It is not a good thing.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jonathan Schearer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
>
>
> > Jennifer, in a previous message, Terry states that he did not write the
> initial voter guide.  He merely passed along a message that has been on
the
> internet.  Jonathan Schearer.
> >
> > Jennifer Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Terry,
> >
> > Your misguided attempts to distort truths, and make Bush seem like a
good
> > guy, do offend me. Nothing could be more anti Christian then the current
> > Bush administration, inspite of what he says on TV. Actions speak so
much
> > louder than empty words. Also, I don't think being intolerant is truly
> > "Christian". That is just what the religious right wing conservatives
want
> > you to believe. Re- read the New Testaments, Jesus would not disown
> certain
> > groups of people just because they are different, or because they made
> > choices that may be hard for others to understand. I don't understand
how
> > Bush can claim to be pro life when he has caused a war which has
> slaughterer
> > thousands of innocent people. Banning partial birth abortions is silly
> > anyway, no self respecting doctor would perform such a thing unless the
> life
> > of the mother was in jeopardy. And please tell me when did the
government
> > become expert on what takes Doctors YEARS to study, learn, and practice.
I
> > do not want my government placing orders and restrictions on what my
> doctors
> > can do to protect my health. Please read below:
> >
> > Gary Vance | Wasn't Jesus A Liberal?
> > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1019-24.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > Published on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
> > Wasn't Jesus A Liberal?
> > by Gary Vance
> > Liberalism has been under assault for years now. The battering of this
> > grand political philosophy has altered the contemporary definition of
> > liberal to the point that Conservatives use it as a profane word. They
use
> > it to paint a political opponent as anti-God and anti-American. It has
> > gotten to the point that moderate and liberal Christians are afraid to
be
> > open about their political leanings. Sadly, it even affects their
> conscience
> > and choices as they enter the voting booth. This is particularly
troubling
> > to me as a Christian evangelical minister who loves America.
> > Liberalism as defined by Webster's Third New International Dictionary:
"a
> > political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness
> of
> > man, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for tolerance and
> > freedom for the individual from arbitrary authority in all spheres of
> life."
> >
> > I am not sure why anyone would feel threatened by Liberalism as defined
by
> > the dictionary. They are apparently unaware or simply refuse to
> acknowledge
> > the long history of liberals who have labored for the betterment of
> society
> > and the furthering of God's Kingdom.
> >
> > The labor movement of the early twentieth century was aided
significantly
> > when major Christian denominations got behind it. No average American
> would
> > have a fair wage today if it weren't for liberal Christians and labor
> > activists. Liberal Christians and civil rights activists fought and
still
> > fight against conservative America for racial equality. Child labor laws
> > were enacted because liberals fought for them. Medicare and Social
> Security
> > exist today because of Liberalism. "Bleeding heart liberals" have long
> > advocated for the homeless, the hungry, the less fortunate, and the
> > disenfranchised. The women of America owe liberals a big thank you for
> their
> > almost equal rights. "Tree hugging liberals" fight for clean air and
water
> > standards instead of favoring industrial polluters and short term
> > profiteering that destroy God's green earth.
> >
> > Liberals believe in affordable health care for all U.S. citizens. They
> also
> > believe in higher taxes for the rich and lower taxes for the middle
class
> > and the poor. Liberals love their spouses and children. Liberals
> faithfully
> > attend 

Re: [Biofuel] Appeal to Engineers

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Philip,
you effort to clean up Fresnos Air is verry apreciated,but tell me where is
the bad Air going since you can,t sweep it under the Carpet?
To blame Ingeneers for all the Pollution is not the rigth thing either!
When are you americans ready to admit that it is your livestyle of
consumption polluting the whole world and making live unbearible for so
many!
How about starting at the source of consumption - advertising and greed-
after all its all a matter of perseption!
The appeal to Ingeneers will treat only the symptons not the sickness!
my oppinion anyway
Fritz
- Original Message - 
From: "Phillip Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appeal to Engineers


> I would like to extend a thanks to Keith too.
>
>
> My appeal to all Engineers is to consider recent Yahoo
> news that Fresno, California now declared the #1
> IV/Meth/Ilicit Drug City in the U.S.  The key factor
> cited is poverty, low wages, access to good jobs,
> education.
>
> Fresno air basin also the #1 or #2 most Air Polluted
> Basin in the United States.
>
> If any engineers need a place to experiement with new
> technologies please consider Fresno as an opportunity.
>  (We have some good bluegrass music festivals down
> there too)
>
> I am sorry to see this happen to my home area even
> though I now reside in Seattle area - I continute
> volunteer on Fresno Operation Clean Air. The Sierra
> Club, League of Women Voters, business people, NRDC,
> and local Ministries are teaming up in some ways -
> although there have been battles.
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> P.Wolfe
>
>
> --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Steve
> >
> > Thanks for that. Mr Desai sent me one too,
> > different, I was just
> > going to reply to him, but this is a good idea, I'll
> > post it here as
> > well. The Tinytech Plants are featured at the
> > Biofuels supplies and
> > suppliers page at Journey to Forever (see Oilseed
> > presses), but I'll
> > beef it up now he's told me more about them, and
> > himself. Below...
> > see especially "MY BASIC CONVICTIONS" about halfway
> > down.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > >From :
> > >TINYTECH PLANTS
> > >Tagore Road, Rajkot - 360 002, INDIA
> > >Tele # 91-281-2480166, 2431086
> > >Fax # 91-281-2467552
> > >Mobile # 91 92 27 60 65 70
> > >Email :
> >
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Website :
> > www.tinytechindia.com
> > >
> > >October 13, 2004
> > >
> > >Attn.: Keith Addison / Midori Hiraga,
> > >
> > >I must congratulate for maintaining very good
> > website with full of
> > >information relating to renewable energy.
> > >
> > >I am working for decentralized technology and also
> > for renewable energy.
> > >
> > >TINY OIL MILL FOR GREEN ENERGY
> > >Our tiny oil mills working successfully in 52
> > countries (list in the
> > >website) for edible oil purpose is eminently
> > suitable for making bio
> > >diesel from rapeseed which is grown in almost all
> > European
> > >countries. So our tiny oil mill is most suited for
> > all rapeseed
> > >farmers to extract oil from their own rapeseed and
> > to make bio
> > >diesel from it. We understand that bio diesel made
> > from rapeseed
> > >becomes 50% cheaper than fossil diesel in Europe.
> > So our tiny oil
> > >mill can play very important role in making bio
> > diesel in every farm
> > >and thus promoting green energy in Europe.
> > >
> > >TINY OIL MILL FOR ELECTRICITY GENERATION
> > >
> > >If you run tiny oil mill with diesel engine instead
> > of electric
> > >motor, you can run it with diesel engine in which
> > rapeseed oil can
> > >be used instead of diesel. Only 5% oil produced
> > from the tiny oil
> > >mill can be consumed in diesel engine to run the
> > tiny oil mill i.e.
> > >if you run tiny oil mill for 8 hours time, you will
> > crush one tonne
> > >of rapeseed which will give you atleast 300 liters
> > of pure
> > >transparent oil out of which you can hardly consume
> > 15 liters of oil
> > >for running the tiny oil mill itself. The rest of
> > the 95% oil i.e.
> > >285 liters can be used for cooking  or for running
> > the automobiles.
> > >Or you can run diesel generating sets which
> > produces electricity by
> > >diesel engines and you can use rapeseed oil in
> > diesel generating
> > >sets as fuel. So it can be a independent
> > electricity plant. This
> > >means that if you have one tiny oil mill, you can
> > produce sufficient
> > >rapeseed oil by which you can run the power station
> > of 150 KW
> > >capacity by rapeseed oil as a fuel.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >DETAILS OF TINY OIL MILL
> > >
> > >Tiny oil mill consists of oil expeller (oil press),
> > electrical
> > >cooking kettle with digital temperature controller,
> > filter press,
> > >electric motor 10 HP, accessories and spare parts
> > kit etc. It has
> > >crushing capacity of 3 tonnes in 24 hours. Only one
> > person can run
> > >the entir

Fw: [biofuel] Heating element

[Friedrich Friesinger]

- Original Message - 
From: "Friedrich Friesinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Heating element


> Hi Joseph,
> once your Heating Element is installed to your Drum,take a Thermostate
from
> a recycled Hotwatertank and fasten it to the Drum.Make your connections
with
> a 12 gage wire to a Braker in your electrical Distributor.Phase against
> phase with the Thermostate in Line,there you go! Dont swich the Braker
> before the Connections are all made and secured-the Drum filled!!!
> If you made a mistake,the Braker will jump thats all
> regards Fritz

sorry Joseph,
i forgot to mention the Groundwire should be attachet to the Drum so it has
good contact with the Metall
Girl Marks way is good,but i would go direct in the electrical Box for the
connection and not with a plug in!


> - Original Message - 
> From: "josephputzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 4:42 PM
> Subject: [biofuel] Heating element
>
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I've just begun to build a processor out of two 55 gallon drums.  I
> > am having a 1" bushing welded to the drum so that I can put a screw-
> > in heating element into the processor.  I wanted the bushing so that
> > I can take out the element for cleaning and whatnot.  My trouble is
> > that I'm not much for electrical components.  I have a 4.5 kw 240 v
> > element.  How do I safely attach a power cord with the given wattage
> > and voltage? Is 4.5 kw to high? Should I find a 1.5 or 2.0 kw element
> > instead?
> >
> > Any help would be great!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
> >
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Re: [biofuel] Heating element

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Joseph,
once your Heating Element is installed to your Drum,take a Thermostate from
a recycled Hotwatertank and fasten it to the Drum.Make your connections with
a 12 gage wire to a Braker in your electrical Distributor.Phase against
phase with the Thermostate in Line,there you go! Dont swich the Braker
before the Connections are all made and secured-the Drum filled!!!
If you made a mistake,the Braker will jump thats all
regards Fritz
- Original Message - 
From: "josephputzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 4:42 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Heating element


> Hello all,
>
> I've just begun to build a processor out of two 55 gallon drums.  I
> am having a 1" bushing welded to the drum so that I can put a screw-
> in heating element into the processor.  I wanted the bushing so that
> I can take out the element for cleaning and whatnot.  My trouble is
> that I'm not much for electrical components.  I have a 4.5 kw 240 v
> element.  How do I safely attach a power cord with the given wattage
> and voltage? Is 4.5 kw to high? Should I find a 1.5 or 2.0 kw element
> instead?
>
> Any help would be great!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
>
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[biofuel] Fw: Kerry and Bolivia: To the Right of Bush?

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi all,
it seems like the alternative to Bush is not any better than what we have
now!
Fritz

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Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 1:16 PM
Subject: Kerry and Bolivia: To the Right of Bush?


> >
> > counterpunch
> > http://www.counterpunch.org/
> > August 18, 2004
> >
> > Notes from Cochabamba
> >
> > Kerry and Bolivia: To the Right of Bush?
> >
> > By SEAN DONAHUE
> >
> > Cochabamba, Bolivia.
> >
> > On June 26, speaking to the National Association of Elected and
Appointed
> > Latino Officials in Washington, DC, John Kerry laid out a hardline
against
> > Latin America's grassroots social movements, telling the assembled
> > officials that "we can't sit by and watch as mob violence drives a
> > president from office, like what happened in Bolivia or Argentina."
> >
> > Four days later, in an op-ed in the Miami Herald, he reiterated his
> > position that the Bush administration hasn't been foreceful enough in
> > defending U.S. economic interests in Latin America, writing that "In
> > Bolivia, Bush encouraged the election of a pro-market, pro-U.S.
president
> > and did nothing to help the country when riots shook the capital and the
> > president was forced to flee."
> >
> > The "mob violence" that drove Bolivan President Gonzalo Sanchez de
Lozada
> > from power last fall was a largely nonviolent campaign of strikes, road
> > blockades, and street protests organized by labor unions, coca
> > growers, and
> > indigenous people to prevent Sanchez de Lozada from selling off the
> > nation's natural gas reserves to foreign corporations.
> >
> > Bolivia is the poorest country in Latin America, and sustainable,
locally
> > directed development of the country's natural gas fields may be the
last,
> > best hope for the country's indigenous majority to lift itself out of
> > poverty. But Sanchez de Lozada, under pressure from the U.S., wanted to
> > sell off the gas rights in order to pay off the country's debts to the
> > International Monetary Fund and the World Bank--debts which date back to
> > the military dictatorship of Gen. Hugo Banzer, and which were incurred
> > without the consent of the rural poor who for the most part never saw
the
> > benefit of the "development projects" driven by the international
> > fiananciers. Kerry is right that there was violence in Bolivia last
> > fall--but it mostly came from the military and the police who attacked
> > unarmed demonstrators with tear gas, batons, and live ammunition.
> >
> > The U.S. sent additional military advisors to try to help Sanchez de
> > Lozada
> > quell the insurrection during his last days in power. Human Rights Watch
> > confirms that at least 59 people were killed by security forces during
the
> > demonstrations last fall, and most Bolivian human rights groups say that
> > the actual number is much, much higher. In La Paz, some police units did
> > reportedly side with the demonstrators and open fire on the military.
> >
> > Not surprisingly, while some campesinos have been arrested and tortured
on
> > flimsy or fabricated evidence in connection with vague charges of
inciting
> > violence against the military, the government hasn't even begun to
> > investigate most of the cases of police and military violence against
> > unarmed protesters. Refering to the "mob violence" that drove Sanchez de
> > Lozada from power, is a little like rewriting the history of the U.S.
> > civil
> > rights movement to talk about the violence that ensued when a throng of
> > civil rights protesters defied the legal orders given by police officers
> > under the command of the democratically elected mayor of Selma, Alabama.
> > It's a classic case of blaming the victim and obscuring the truth. Kerry
> > could learn a lot about democracy from the Bolivian "mobs."
> >
> > In a talk at the School for Authentic Journalism in Cochabamba, Oscar
> > Olivera, who helped to coordinate successful campaigns against gas
> > privatization and water privatization, spoke of how a truly democratic
> > leader must remain in touch with and accountable to the people. Quite a
> > contrast to John Kerry who has spurned his party's traditional
progressive
> > base and who never even considered meeting with the demonstrators
outside
> > the Democratic National Convention. But Olivera and the popular
movements
> > he represents have an even more important lesson for the U.S. left.
> >
> > In recent months, a part of the Bolivian left, led by Evo Morales of the
> > Movement Toward Socialism party, has renounced street protests and road
> > blockades and tried to earn a seat at the table in La Paz by playing
> > by the
> > rules of electoral politics. Morales and his supporters have taken to
> > demonizing Olivera and others who believe in grassroots, participatory
> > democracy, alternately accusing them of being unrealistic and of having
> > sold out the movement.
> >
> > For his part, Olivera has remained focused on the strategic and

Re: [biofuel] who is trying what

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Hakan,
same happened to me a while ago!
maybe the petrolium Industrie is behind it?
greetings from Quebec
Fritz
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To: 
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 6:04 PM
Subject: [biofuel] who is trying what


>
> I got a confirmation unsubscribe message from Yahoo, that said that I
> unsubscribed from the group. I have not done so and I wonder who is so
> screwed up that he tries this kind of things. Obviously someone is trying
> to disrupt and destroy the list.
>
> Hakan
>
>
>
>
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[biofuel] WVO

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Keith,
tank you for the answer,this Jean Pain story fascinatet me for years!
sorry for my expressions before,it was pure frustration about this canadian
wastementality!
Fritz

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[biofuel] WVO

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi all,
today i have a few (as a matter of fact a lot) of questions about collecting 
and processing WVO!
I have sofar found out,that most Restaurantowners are Pigs and there is a lot 
of Education to be done in recycling Waste!
Most of the WVO is havyly contaminatet whit all kinds of water-soups and 
vegetables,papertowels and all kind of other shit!
Beside of that bad smell i think there is a lot of good stuff in this soup and 
one should not trow things out in mother nature.So what to doe whith all the 
good stuff? It crossed my mind to produce Methanegas.
In an old Readers Digest i wrote once of an experiment a french Gardener
Namend Pain was making in the french Pyrenes.He produced Methanegas by 
composting hacked bushescraps and so running his Nursery complet of Grid.
Now the "soup" from the Restaurant combined whit hacked bushscraps should give 
a fine Methanolgas! (specaly the bush-hacking would be a graet plaesure :)))  )
One big Question is,what kind of pump should be used to pump the Methanol in 
Storage Tanks,and is Methanol liquifiing under pressure???
Another Question is:I have installed a 40Gall.Hotwatertank on level lower of my
WVO Storagetank,but the oil is not filling in the Hotwatertank,perhaps because 
of a ventilationproblem in the HWT! Should i cut an opening at the top the Tank?
For any help thanks in advance
Fritz 

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[biofuel] Fw: Left behind: THE FALSE "HAND-OVERS" OF IRAQ & SADDAM HUSSEIN*

[Friedrich Friesinger]

forewardet by Fritz
- Original Message - 
From: "Sabine Friesinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Friedrich Friesinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:46 PM
Subject: Left behind: THE FALSE "HAND-OVERS" OF IRAQ & SADDAM HUSSEIN*


> *LEFT BEHIND: THE FALSE "HAND-OVERS" OF IRAQ & SADDAM HUSSEIN*
>
> by Phyllis Bennis
> Institute for Policy Studies
> 5 July 2004
>
> Last week was filled with false "hand-overs."  The hand-over of Saddam
> Hussein and the hand-over of Iraqi sovereignty were both fake. In both
> cases "virtual" political or legal authority was declared in the hands
> of Iraq's interim government, while actual control on the ground or in
> the prison remains with the U.S.  Sovereignty is absolute; a nation is
> either sovereign or it is not; being "partially sovereign" is like being
> "partially pregnant."  Iraq remains occupied; it is not sovereign.
>
> When U.S. pro-consul Paul Bremer left Baghdad with what one of his own
> assistants called "his tail between his legs," he left behind a country
> still occupied, and governed by an imposed interim authority still
> completely reliant economically, militarily and politically on U.S.
> backing.  The shift from Bremer's "Coalition Provisional Authority" to
> the new U.S. "embassy" led by Ambassador John Negroponte reflects a
> shift from Pentagon authority to what appears to be a growing State
> Department - CIA collaboration as lead agencies in Iraq. It does not
> reflect a shift from U.S. to Iraqi control.
>
> The anticipated June 30th date for the hand-over was moved up partly to
> avert likely embarrassing attacks by anti-occupation forces on the date
> of what was supposed to be a celebration, and partly to take advantage
> of the NATO summit in Istanbul. There, Bush used the opportunity of
> announcing the furtive, secret "transfer of sovereignty" in hopes of
> winning allies' support for his war.  It was not sufficient; while NATO
> agreed to an undefined commitment to train Iraqi police and soldiers,
> there were no new troop commitments or endorsements of the war.
>
> The secrecy and stealth of the hand-over is one more indication of the
> failure of Bush administration policies. The war has not brought Iraq
> sovereignty, freedom or independence. Whatever they may try to sell to
> American voters, the invasion and occupation of Iraq is nothing for this
> administration to be proud of.
>
> Bremer himself, referring to the multitude of new laws he imposed on
> Iraq in the last weeks before the so-called "transfer of sovereignty"
> designed to insure future Iraqi compliance with U.S.-dictated laws,
> institutions, and economic interests (oil, the WTO, and more), noted
> that, "you set up these things...and it's harder to reverse course."
>
> What did Bremer's departure and the June 28 "transfer of sovereignty"
> leave behind?
> *   140,000 U.S. troops, 20,000 'coalition' troops, and 20,000 private
> military contractors still occupying the country;
> *   97 new laws and regulations, which Bremer himself identified as
> "binding instructions or directives to the Iraqi people;"
> *   An appointed electoral commission with authority to disqualify
> parties or candidates, and whose rules places tight restrictions on
> fundraising and political participation by any party connected to a
> militia or armed wing, while imposing no restrictions on money pouring
> in to Iraqi parties from U.S., Saudi, Iranian or any other foreign
sources;
> *   U.S.-appointed national security and intelligence chiefs for Iraq,
> each promised a 5-year term;
> *   U.S. minders, known as "inspector-generals" appointed for five-year
> terms in every Iraqi ministry, with oversight power - and although Iraqi
> interim ministers nominally have the authority to ignore their advice or
> even fire them, the utter dependence of the interim government on U.S.
> political and economic backing makes such a move virtually unthinkable.
>
> Iraq's post-transition economy remains dependent on and reflective of
> U.S. priorities. Bremer's economic regulations included capping taxes at
> 15%, guaranteeing the right to 100% foreign ownership of all Iraqi
> entities, corporate regulations designed to qualify Iraq for the WTO,
> and continued immunities for companies (such as Halliburton) with
> oil-related contracts signed before the hand-over.
>
> The U.S. will continue to exercise enormous economic, as well as
> political and military, control of Iraq.  According to the Washington
> Post

Re: [biofuel] OT humor - divine retribution

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Kim,
its too late now,sorry
Fritz
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From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 8:47 AM
Subject: [biofuel] OT humor - divine retribution


> To my higher Power,
>
> As I sit here at my desk, with still another flood warning flashing across
> my computer screen, I try hard to remember what it was like before the
rain
> started, it has been so long.  The local NPR  [B/CS] station reported on
> June 17, that this was the wettest June in history and that this part of
> the world has been keeping records for 500 years.  It has rained everyday
> since that report.
>
> This is truly enough to make one wonder what did Texas do to deserve this?
>
> I think we all know the answer, we are responsible for sticking the rest
of
> the world with George W.  Bush.  Now we can argue he was a good Governor,
I
> mean he gave us the handguns that Ann Richards' refused us, and put an end
> to much of the random violence we lived with.  The gangs did not like the
> idea that John Q. Citizen just might pull a legal gun out and shoot
> back.  After 5 years of having the legal guns, a whole 1500 people had
> permits to carry concealed weapons.  This is not a large figure, but it
> sure worked.  And the Bush family do lots for adult literacy programs,
> something we really need here in Texas.  George W. followed the family
> footsteps on this one real well.  So we had some reason for what we did.
>
> I mean, how were we suppose to know, what kind of President he was going
to
> be?  But is this any reason to try to wash Texas into the gulf?  After 20
> days of constant flash flood warnings and watches, we apologize.  If we
> promise not to vote for George W., will you please stop the rain?
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
> [who has nothing better to do since her farm is a mud pit]
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Thanks Keith,
its a Mitsubishi of hand i think a 91 6 cylindre but exact specs i will give 
you later today

Fritz
  - Original Message - 
  From: Keith Addison 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 10:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator


  >Hi Gene,
  >this is a whole new aspect to run my Gen.The WVO i have at the 
  >moment is very clean,but thick.haeting up the Fuel is no problem 
  >either.but i can not erford to take a chance to kill my motor!! i 
  >need to be shure,is there any input of the Motorexperts?
  >
  >Fritz

  Hi Fritz

  What kind of motor is it? You said 100KVA, what else? New or old? 
  Direct injection or indirect injection? An old Lister-type diesel 
  will burn just about anything, but a new DI diesel might not like 
  SVO/WVO, even if it's a generator. This isn't about generators, but 
  it might apply:
  http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_TDI.html
  The TDI-SVO controversy

  Best

  Keith


  >  - Original Message -
  >  From: Gene Chaffin
  >  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  >  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 1:20 AM
  >  Subject: RE: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator
  >
  >
  >  Guys, please don't waste the money on chemicals converting wvo to biodiesel
  >  to burn in a stationary genset.  Just heat it up to 120oF, filter it down 
to
  >  ten microns and then burn it directly in the genset using the jacket water
  >  to heat the vo up to 200oF for the final burning in the genset.  I have 
over
  >  2000 hours of burning wvo this way and it works excellently.  Save the
  >  biodiesel process for your Mercedes Turbodiesel.  Good luck.
  >
  >  -Original Message-
  >  From: Friedrich Friesinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >  Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 8:32 AM
  >  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  >  Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator
  >
  >
  >  Hi all,
  >  with arriving of spring,my project of running my 100KVA Generator with
  >  Biodiesel gets closer to be realiced.
  >  I am still confused why we should separate the WVO prior to esterification
  >  from Water,if by the other hand we should wash the oil after with water
  >  (bubblewash)
  >  My guess is that esterification will not work well if there is water in the
  >  WVO but in washing after dont i saturate my oil again with water?
  >  Is it that the Water separates easy after esterification?
  >  What about the cleaned out stuff from the bubblewash? does this stuff has 
to
  >  be skinned of from the "clean" oil or wath happens to it?
  >  Lots of questions to be answerd,i still have some times bevor i can
  >  start,messing with my oil since the temperatur is still at a chilly 0 to 5
  >  degree C
  >  some coaching on my pilotproject would be verry apreciated
  >  thanks for any help
  >  Fritz
  >- Original Message -
  >From: Robert Del Bueno
  >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  >Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 10:05 AM
  >Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator
  >
  >
  >Has anyone compiled an emission per Kwh (or Mwh) comparison between
  >generation from coal fired power plant, diesel genset on b100, and b100
  >powered micro-turbines?
  >-Rob
  >
  >
  >At 06:24 PM 4/23/2004 -0500, you wrote:
  >>Big difference between being committed to "...exploring clean energy
  >>options..." and being comitted to implementing them.
  >>
  >>The latter is where a great deal of optimism is eternally buffered.
  >>
  >>One is lovely conversation over cocktails. The other is best served up
  >  with
  >>sweat.
  >>
  >>Todd Swearingen
  >>
  >>- Original Message -
  >>From: "murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >>To: 
  >>Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:52 AM
  >>Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator
  >>
  >>
  >> > Well, the objectionist I spoke to is very committed to exploring 
clean
  >> > energy options, and I have seen them put a lot of their personal 
money
  >> > and time where their mouth is.
  >> >
  >> > I think they are more optimistic than that as to the advent of H2, 
and
  >> > have spoken to some of the professional environmentalists who are
  >> > against the concept of clean diesel.
  >> >
  >> > But in any event, thank you for laying this all out for me, and I 
will
  >> > pass it on to those who might benefit from it.  I know all this stuff
  >> > seems obvious to y

Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Gene,
this is a whole new aspect to run my Gen.The WVO i have at the moment is very 
clean,but thick.haeting up the Fuel is no problem either.but i can not erford 
to take a chance to kill my motor!! i need to be shure,is there any input of 
the Motorexperts?

Fritz
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gene Chaffin 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 1:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator


  Guys, please don't waste the money on chemicals converting wvo to biodiesel
  to burn in a stationary genset.  Just heat it up to 120oF, filter it down to
  ten microns and then burn it directly in the genset using the jacket water
  to heat the vo up to 200oF for the final burning in the genset.  I have over
  2000 hours of burning wvo this way and it works excellently.  Save the
  biodiesel process for your Mercedes Turbodiesel.  Good luck.

  -Original Message-
  From: Friedrich Friesinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 8:32 AM
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator


  Hi all,
  with arriving of spring,my project of running my 100KVA Generator with
  Biodiesel gets closer to be realiced.
  I am still confused why we should separate the WVO prior to esterification
  from Water,if by the other hand we should wash the oil after with water
  (bubblewash)
  My guess is that esterification will not work well if there is water in the
  WVO but in washing after dont i saturate my oil again with water?
  Is it that the Water separates easy after esterification?
  What about the cleaned out stuff from the bubblewash? does this stuff has to
  be skinned of from the "clean" oil or wath happens to it?
  Lots of questions to be answerd,i still have some times bevor i can
  start,messing with my oil since the temperatur is still at a chilly 0 to 5
  degree C
  some coaching on my pilotproject would be verry apreciated
  thanks for any help
  Fritz
- Original Message -
From: Robert Del Bueno
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator


Has anyone compiled an emission per Kwh (or Mwh) comparison between
generation from coal fired power plant, diesel genset on b100, and b100
powered micro-turbines?
-Rob


At 06:24 PM 4/23/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Big difference between being committed to "...exploring clean energy
>options..." and being comitted to implementing them.
>
>The latter is where a great deal of optimism is eternally buffered.
>
>One is lovely conversation over cocktails. The other is best served up
  with
>sweat.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:52 AM
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator
>
>
> > Well, the objectionist I spoke to is very committed to exploring clean
> > energy options, and I have seen them put a lot of their personal money
> > and time where their mouth is.
> >
> > I think they are more optimistic than that as to the advent of H2, and
> > have spoken to some of the professional environmentalists who are
> > against the concept of clean diesel.
> >
> > But in any event, thank you for laying this all out for me, and I will
> > pass it on to those who might benefit from it.  I know all this stuff
> > seems obvious to you, but one of the reasons I quoted this person is
> > because his views represent some of those of the more well-intended.
> > He is simply lost in many of the other technological arguments.
> >
> > I think we also saw this when Kerry mentioned clean diesel favorably a
> > year or two ago.  Can't think of one environmentally-minded
> > organization or person who spoke in defense of his views.  There were
> > probably some.  Then he just had to back off.
> >
> > So, the anti-diesel views may rankle you and other knowledgeables, but
> > they are still somewhat widespread and established amongst some
> > Greens.
> >
> > One thing.  You write:
> >
> > ...
> > >Manufacture of distillate fuel oils is less energy intensive than
> > >manufacture of gasolines, erego greater energy savings in processing.
> > >
> > >It's already a given that diesels are more fuel efficient and yield
>greater
> > >torque, cubic inch for cubic inch in comparison to gasoline.
> > ...
> >
> > This h

Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi all,
with arriving of spring,my project of running my 100KVA Generator with 
Biodiesel gets closer to be realiced.
I am still confused why we should separate the WVO prior to esterification from 
Water,if by the other hand we should wash the oil after with water (bubblewash)
My guess is that esterification will not work well if there is water in the WVO 
but in washing after dont i saturate my oil again with water?
Is it that the Water separates easy after esterification?
What about the cleaned out stuff from the bubblewash? does this stuff has to be 
skinned of from the "clean" oil or wath happens to it?
Lots of questions to be answerd,i still have some times bevor i can 
start,messing with my oil since the temperatur is still at a chilly 0 to 5 
degree C
some coaching on my pilotproject would be verry apreciated
thanks for any help
Fritz
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Del Bueno 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 10:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator


  Has anyone compiled an emission per Kwh (or Mwh) comparison between 
  generation from coal fired power plant, diesel genset on b100, and b100 
  powered micro-turbines?
  -Rob


  At 06:24 PM 4/23/2004 -0500, you wrote:
  >Big difference between being committed to "...exploring clean energy
  >options..." and being comitted to implementing them.
  >
  >The latter is where a great deal of optimism is eternally buffered.
  >
  >One is lovely conversation over cocktails. The other is best served up with
  >sweat.
  >
  >Todd Swearingen
  >
  >- Original Message -
  >From: "murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >To: 
  >Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:52 AM
  >Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator
  >
  >
  > > Well, the objectionist I spoke to is very committed to exploring clean
  > > energy options, and I have seen them put a lot of their personal money
  > > and time where their mouth is.
  > >
  > > I think they are more optimistic than that as to the advent of H2, and
  > > have spoken to some of the professional environmentalists who are
  > > against the concept of clean diesel.
  > >
  > > But in any event, thank you for laying this all out for me, and I will
  > > pass it on to those who might benefit from it.  I know all this stuff
  > > seems obvious to you, but one of the reasons I quoted this person is
  > > because his views represent some of those of the more well-intended.
  > > He is simply lost in many of the other technological arguments.
  > >
  > > I think we also saw this when Kerry mentioned clean diesel favorably a
  > > year or two ago.  Can't think of one environmentally-minded
  > > organization or person who spoke in defense of his views.  There were
  > > probably some.  Then he just had to back off.
  > >
  > > So, the anti-diesel views may rankle you and other knowledgeables, but
  > > they are still somewhat widespread and established amongst some
  > > Greens.
  > >
  > > One thing.  You write:
  > >
  > > ...
  > > >Manufacture of distillate fuel oils is less energy intensive than
  > > >manufacture of gasolines, erego greater energy savings in processing.
  > > >
  > > >It's already a given that diesels are more fuel efficient and yield
  >greater
  > > >torque, cubic inch for cubic inch in comparison to gasoline.
  > > ...
  > >
  > > This has been a lingering question in my mind.  There are a couple of
  > > reasons for this.  I wonder as to the beginning product (crude) and
  > > the end product(s) (gasoline, diesel, and other products) and how much
  > > energy is used to make them.  And then I wonder how we are measuring
  > > the power and energy efficiencies of gasoline vs. Diesel generation,
  > > as to amounts of either fuel, since they have different mass
  > > densities.  I'd like to see a comparison of a given mass vs. a given
  > > mass, and how much energy either has.  I don't know if you'd measure
  > > this in "moles" or pounds-adjusted-to-represent-mass-instead-of-weight
  > > or what.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > >
  > > >As for the use of statiionary diesels such as generators, they are the
  >best
  > > >targets for clean technologies due to their constant loads - no vast
  > > >pendulemic swings due to constant swings of fuel loading. This means that
  > > >they can be dialed into their greatest efficiency level for emissions
  > > >equipment using a minimum effort and maintenance program.
  > > >
  > > >Sounds as if your objectionist is more interested in doing nothing than
  > > >doing what is immediately available.
  > > >
  > > >Wonder how many more people have to die before he/she gets his/her mind
  >out
  > > >of the proverbial back pocket?
  > > >
  > > >Todd Swearingen
  > > >
  > > >- Original Message -
  > > >From: "murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > > >To: 
  > > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > > >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:53 PM
  > > >Subject: [biofuel] using bio

[biofuel] Bush 2 mission accomplished in Haiti onward to Venezuela?

[Friedrich Friesinger]

  Bush 2 mission accomplished in Haiti  onward to Venezuela?

  http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=16312

  Photographer and multimedia developer Kurt Nimmo writes:  Venezuelan 
President Hugo Chavez Frias, in no uncertain terms, has warned the Bushites he 
will use the oil weapon against the United States if Bush attacks Venezuela, 
America's fourth-largest oil exporter. "If Mr. Bush is possessed with the 
madness of trying to blockade Venezuela, or worse for them, to invade Venezuela 
in response to the desperate song of his lackeys ... sadly not a drop of 
petroleum will come to them from Venezuela," Hugo Chavez recently told 
supporters, according to AFP/Reuters.

  Is Chavez paranoid?

  Hardly.

  Recall the CIA attempted coup against him in 2002.

  How do we know the CIA engineered the failed coup?
  "Same way we know that the sun will rise tomorrow morning," writes Bill Blum, 
former US State Department employee. "That's what it's always done and there's 
no reason to think that tomorrow morning will be any different."

a.. The problem is, for the Bush 2 administration, Chavez is not part of 
the neoliberal New World Global plan. "I consider myself a humanist, and a 
humanist has to be anti-neoliberal," Chavez has said.
  Moreover, Chavez considers himself a Bolivariano -- that is to say he takes 
inspiration from the Carta de Jamaica and the Discurso de Angostura, texts 
written by Simon Bolivar, called El Liberator because he kicked the Spaniards 
out of Bolivia, Panama, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Venezuela. In addition to 
fighting against foreign invasion and economic domination, Bolivar's 
philosophy, as practiced by Chavez, translates into land redistribution for the 
poor and an increase of oil income for the government.

  In other words, less money for Bush's Big Oil buddies and more for the people 
of Venezuela.

  It doesn't help that Chavez also sells oil to Cuba, visited Saddam Hussein, 
and sacked the upper management of Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), the nation's 
oil company, infamous for its corruption. But what really rankles Bush and Big 
Oil is the fact their CIA-engineered coup d'etat on April 12, 2002 did not 
stick.

a.. Unlike the seemingly effortless removal of Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 
Haiti, getting rid of Chavez will not be easy.
  In the short time Chavez was held at a prison on the Caribbean island of La 
Orchila after the CIA-sponsored coup in April, 2002, Fedecamaras business 
lackey and oil executive Pedro Carmona Estanga dissolved the National Assembly 
(AN), voided the 1999 Constitution introduced under Chavez (and approved by 
popular vote in a national referendum), fired Supreme Court justices, repealed 
laws that gave the government control of the economy, and handed control of 
PDVSA over to General Guaicaipuro Lameda, an active military officer.

a.. As Philip Reeker, US State Department spokesman, said at the time, "We 
want to see a return to democracy" in Venezuela.
  For Bush 2, the US State Department, and the CIA, voiding constitutions 
approved by popular vote is the only "democracy" the third world should expect. 
As a prime example of Bush's grotesque version of democracy, look no further 
than Iraq where an American proconsul and a gaggle of handpicked lackeys rule 
and popular elections become more and more remote by the day.

No doubt the Americans would feel more at home with another Perez Jimenez, 
the brutal army captain, virulent anti-communist, and self-appointed dictator 
of Venezuela who did such an effective job eliminating progressive reforms that 
Eisenhower gave him the Legion of Merit.

  "The anti-Chavistas don't equate democracy with voting," writes Greg Palast, 
who interviewed Chavez in 2002. "With 80% of Venezuela's population at or below 
the poverty level, elections are not attractive to the protesting financiers. 
Chavez had won the election in 1998 with a crushing 58% of the popular vote and 
that was unlikely to change except at gunpoint." Bush, the IMF, and Venezuela's 
ruling elite are nostalgic for the days when the notorious embezzler of public 
funds, Carlos Andres Perez (CAP), and Accion Democratica (AD) ruled. In 1989, 
Perez sent the military to slaughter 1,000 workers and poor people from the 
cerros, or shantytowns, for the audacity of protesting against an IMF austerity 
plan.


  Following the slaughter, IMF Managing Director Michael Camdessus wrote to 
Perez and said he was "profoundly moved" by the loss of life but said the IMF 
was convinced "that the economic policies were well-conceived." No word if 
Camdessus was "profoundly moved" by the further impoverishment of pensioners 
and the poor for the sake of US creditors holding Venezuela's debt.

  Chavez blamed the CIA for the failed coup, and for good reason: Charles S. 
Shapiro, the US ambassador in Caracas and former Deputy Chief of Mission at the 
US embassy in Chile at the time of the CIA-sponsored coup against Salvador 
Al

[biofuel] Moral Dilemma

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi maniacal engineer,
what about Madeleine invited Saddam to invade Kuwait,when asked about the US 
Policy concerning an Invasion she replied,"The US have no policy on this"
Sadam was stupid enough to fall in this Trap and the US had the pretext for 
going in the middle east (where they had lost theire influence after the 
Iranrevolution!
Fritz

in case any of you  have forgotten, Saddam actually did invade his
neighbors, and yes the US did support him (to the extent that we
provided 3% of his armaments during the iran/iraq war) aginst what we
viewed as a more serious threat, namely radical islamism (no that
isn't a typo). But when he moved against kuwait it didn't seem prudent
to do nothing, since he had a proven track record of aggression. so we
kicked him out of kuwait and then instituted sanctions if he violated
the ceasefire- which he did. Ideally we would have gone back in a year
or two later to enforce the cease fire terms, but by that time it was
a new adminisration so it didnt happen. had we done so there would
have been only a fraction of the deaths related to sanctions. 



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Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Guys,
what about having the the Prez before rescuing him promess to get out for ever 
of Politics and recluse himself in a remote Mountainmonastery ?
Fritz
  - Original Message - 
  From: Greg and April 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...


  By choosing to take the picture, you put yourself on a level lower than him, 
choosing fame and glory, above human life.

  Greg H.
- Original Message - 
From: Appal Energy 
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 18:14
Subject: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...


Actually, there is a third answer to this...


Moral Dilemma...


This test only has one question, but it's a very important one.


Please don't answer it without giving it some serious thought. By giving an
honest answer you will be able to ascertain where you stand morally.


The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation, where you
will have to make a decision one way or the other. Remember that your answer
should to be honest, yet spontaneous.




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[biofuel] Briquette Presses

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi @ all,
sorry it took me a while to get back with the info about Briquette Presses
My Unit is exposed at: www.spaenex.de
go to delivery programme
under Section 4 you find a description and a picture of my Press
i have the 1.5m3 reservoir
The Cost of this Unit may be arround Euro 20 000.00
you could find a used one for 5 to 10 000 Euros
i am still working on finding Dealers,but sinze i had a cumputercrash i lost 
all my Data about Dealers.
I have found two Manufacturers of Presses wich i would prefare in staed of 
mine,so bare with me,i will post there Info,soon i got them

Fritz

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[biofuel] Bushhawked

[Friedrich Friesinger]

excerpts. for complete text go to:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/02/11/cointelpro

Outlawing dissent
Spying on peace meetings, cracking down on protesters, keeping secret files on 
innocent people -- how Bush's war on terror has become a war on freedom. 
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Michelle Goldberg
Feb. 11, 2004  | The undercover cop introduced herself to the activists from 
the Colorado Coalition Against the War in Iraq as Chris Hoffman, but her real 
name was Chris Hurley. Last March, she arrived at a nonviolence training 
session in Denver, along with another undercover officer, Brad Wanchisen, whom 
she introduced as her boyfriend. The session, held at the Escuela Tlatelolco, a 
Denver private school, was organized to prepare activists for a sit-in at the 
Buckley Air National Guard Base the next day, March 15. Hurley said she wanted 
to participate. She said she was willing to get arrested for the cause of 
peace. In fact, she did get arrested. She was just never charged. The activists 
she protested with wouldn't find out why for months. 

Chris Hurley was just one of many cops all over the country who went undercover 
to spy on antiwar protesters last year. Nonviolent antiwar groups in Fresno, 
Calif., Grand Rapids, Mich., and Albuquerque, N.M., have all been infiltrated 
or surveilled by undercover police officers. Shortly after the Buckley protest, 
the Boulder group was infiltrated a second time, by another pair of police 
posing as an activist couple. 

Meanwhile, protesters arrested at antiwar demonstrations in New York last 
spring were extensively questioned about their political associations, and 
their answers were entered into databases. And last week, a federal prosecutor 
in Des Moines, Iowa, obtained a subpoena demanding that Drake University turn 
over records from an antiwar conference called "Stop the Occupation! Bring the 
Iowa Guard Home!" that the school's chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, a 
civil libertarian legal group, hosted on Nov. 15 of last year, the day before a 
protest at the Iowa National Guard headquarters. Among the information the 
government sought was the names of the leaders of the Drake University Chapter 
of the National Lawyers Guild, its records dating back to January of 2002, and 
the names of everyone who attended the "Stop the Occupation!" conference. Four 
antiwar activists also received subpoenas in the investigation. 

On Tuesday, after a national outcry, the U.S. Attorney's Office canceled the 
subpoenas. Still, says Bruce Nestor, a former president of the National Lawyers 
Guild who is serving as the Drake chapter's attorney, "We're concerned that 
some type of investigation is ongoing." 
(see story, belowDR)

In the early 1970s, after the exposure of COINTELPRO, a program of widespread 
FBI surveillance and sabotage of political dissidents, reforms were put in 
place to prevent the government from spying on political groups when there was 
no suspicion of criminal activity. But once again, protesters throughout 
America are being watched, often by police who are supposed to be investigating 
terrorism. Civil disobedience, seen during peaceful times as the honorable 
legacy of heroes like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr., is being treated as 
terrorism's cousin, and the government claims to be justified in infiltrating 
any meeting where it's even discussed. It's too early to tell if America is 
entering a repeat of the COINTELPRO era. But Jeffrey Fogel, legal director of 
the Center for Constitutional Law in Manhattan, says, "There are certainly 
enough warning signs out there that we may be." 

As a new round of protests approaches -- including worldwide antiwar 
demonstrations on March 20 and massive anti-Bush actions during the Republican 
National Convention in August and September -- experts say the surveillance is 
likely to increase. "The government is taking an increasingly hostile stance 
toward protesters," says Michael Avery, president of the National Lawyers Guild 
and a professor of constitutional law at Suffolk University. In the run-up to 
the Republican Convention, he says, "I'm sure the government will be attempting 
to infiltrate political groups. They may send agent provocateurs into political 
groups. They're no doubt compiling reports on people. We have to stand up 
against that." 

The U.S. Attorney's Office confirms that the investigation is a collaboration 
between the FBI, the Polk County Sheriff's Department and the U.S. Attorney's 
Office -- all of whom, Nestor notes, serve on the JTTF. It focuses on a case of 
misdemeanor trespassing on government property that took place on Nov. 16, near 
the antiwar protest. According to Nestor, the case involves someone who "walked 
up to a closed gate" outside the National Guard's armory, "had a conversation 
with the guards and got charged with trespassing." The police and FBI are now 
investigating whether people at the antiwar conference entered into some kind 
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Re: [biofuel] Re: WVO heater for shop - The Sawdust Stove

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hey Bryan,
you wann give me a brake here? When the question arrived i answerd as quick i 
could.Iwas not ready to support things with Pictures nor Plans!
Now a question to you guys from a newbie in computertechnics
How do i post a Picture?is the list able to support pictures? I am ok to make 
pictures,get them in to my computer and send them by E-Mail!
It seem to me building a curved Staircase is easier than posting Pictures get 
it?some guidance is apreciated

Fritz
  - Original Message - 
  From: look4bryan 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 7:44 PM
  Subject: [biofuel] Re: WVO heater for shop - The Sawdust Stove


  Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see a link to a picture or drawing
  for the stove.  Can you post or repost the link of the referenced
  picture, for the group to take a look at?  Sounds like an interesting
  project, but I like pictures to go along with the verbage :-).

  Bryan




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Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop

[Friedrich Friesinger]

OK Stan,
i forget to mention the principle of it.
once you remouved the Woodpole yuo should have a continuose line from your 
Airintake to the Top you compressed Stock.
If some Sawdust fell down,while you pulled out the Pole,clean it out from the 
Airchanel on the Bottom,so Air could flow all the way up to the Top of you 
stock.Leaf some material loose on the Bottom of the Chanel and Ligth it there 
(dont forget to close you cover before)
The Shavings and Sawdust will burn in the uprigth Cavity made by the Pole and 
will gradually burn you stock from inside out!
Its very simple and create good  Heat in a shop of your size!
Now DONT burn your Shop!!!
Good Luck
Fritz

Ps: Best for lighting are shavings of a handplane
  - Original Message - 
  From: Stan Walker 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop


Fritz Hi Again
Your drumstove has given me an answer to my heating problems in my
  factory. I find it a little bit difficult to fully understand the total
  concept please if you would draw me something I am only an Aussie you must
  understand Where do you light the heater and how?  Thanks Stan
- Original Message -
From: "Friedrich Friesinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop


> Hi Art,
> for the amount of Sawdust you need to burn in you Shop a 45Gal.Drumstove
  would be sufficient!
> It works fairly simple you take the Drum,standing up,put a Airintake of
  about 4" at the Bottom, cut a 6" Pipe in halve and create a Channel like
> Cover almost to the Center of your Barrel.
> The Smokepipe you fit below the Top of the Drum on the opposite Site and
  Connect to your Chimminey.
> The Drum should be open completely to the Top.A Cover that fit good on
  Top (1/4 Steelplate will doo) or a remouvable Cover of the Drum
>
> Now you fill your Drum with your Sawdust and Shavings but dont forget to
  put a 4" Pipe or round Woodpole from Center beside your Channel up,sticking
  out of the Drum.
>
> In filling up your Drum compact the Sawdust/Rip and fill your Drum
  allways compacting your stock until reach of the Smokepipe.
> Pull out the 4"Pole ,cover your Lid and Light your new Sawdustheater,
> it works fine for a little Shop like yours!
> Keep the Area around your Stove clean,
> (4 Bricks under your Drum would not hurt,to keep the Stove away from the
  Floor!
>
> Good Luck
> Fritz
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Art Oswald
>   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:03 AM
>   Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop
>
>
>   Thanks for the info and picture.   Your set up is way more than I
  need.
>   I have a small 20x20 shop.
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Friedrich Friesinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:08 AM
>   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [SPAM] Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop
>
>   Hi Northlandwood,
>   in my Woodshop i press all Sawdust and Shavings into Briquettes,they
  are
>   stonehard and only held by Pressure!
>   The moistercontent of the Material shoult not exeed 15%
>   The Press is mounted right under the Dustcollector and works
>   automaticly,so i have no accumulation of explosive Sawdust
>   if you need moore info dont hesitate to contact me
>   Fritz
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Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Stan,
my Press comes from Germany,give me a little time and i will shop around to get 
you some good ones!
Where are you?
Fritz
  - Original Message - 
  From: Stan Walker 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 4:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop


Hi fritz please advise where i may get a press like yours thanks Stan
- Original Message -
From: "Art Oswald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop


> Thanks for the info and picture.   Your set up is way more than I need.
> I have a small 20x20 shop.
>
>
> -Original Message-
    > From: Friedrich Friesinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:08 AM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop
>
> Hi Northlandwood,
> in my Woodshop i press all Sawdust and Shavings into Briquettes,they are
> stonehard and only held by Pressure!
> The moistercontent of the Material shoult not exeed 15%
> The Press is mounted right under the Dustcollector and works
> automaticly,so i have no accumulation of explosive Sawdust
> if you need moore info dont hesitate to contact me
> Fritz
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Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Art,
for the amount of Sawdust you need to burn in you Shop a 45Gal.Drumstove would 
be sufficient!
It works fairly simple you take the Drum,standing up,put a Airintake of about 
4" at the Bottom, cut a 6" Pipe in halve and create a Channel like
Cover almost to the Center of your Barrel.
The Smokepipe you fit below the Top of the Drum on the opposite Site and 
Connect to your Chimminey.
The Drum should be open completely to the Top.A Cover that fit good on Top (1/4 
Steelplate will doo) or a remouvable Cover of the Drum

Now you fill your Drum with your Sawdust and Shavings but dont forget to put a 
4" Pipe or round Woodpole from Center beside your Channel up,sticking out of 
the Drum.

In filling up your Drum compact the Sawdust/Rip and fill your Drum allways 
compacting your stock until reach of the Smokepipe.
Pull out the 4"Pole ,cover your Lid and Light your new Sawdustheater,
it works fine for a little Shop like yours!
Keep the Area around your Stove clean,
(4 Bricks under your Drum would not hurt,to keep the Stove away from the Floor!

Good Luck
Fritz  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Art Oswald 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop


  Thanks for the info and picture.   Your set up is way more than I need.
  I have a small 20x20 shop.


  -Original Message-----
  From: Friedrich Friesinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:08 AM
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [SPAM] Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop

  Hi Northlandwood,
  in my Woodshop i press all Sawdust and Shavings into Briquettes,they are
  stonehard and only held by Pressure!
  The moistercontent of the Material shoult not exeed 15%
  The Press is mounted right under the Dustcollector and works
  automaticly,so i have no accumulation of explosive Sawdust
  if you need moore info dont hesitate to contact me
  Fritz



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[biofuel] Global Warming

[Friedrich Friesinger]

David Suzuki wrote his Book "towards 2040" (i hope,i got the title right)
i have the french version "vers l'An 2040 
in the early 80
he Quotes the Secretary of State saying about Global Warming,there is only a 50 
% possibility that this happened!
Suzuki kompared this with flipping a Coin over an issue wich concernes all 
Humankind!
Well guess,the Coin fell on the wrong side!

Fritz

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Re: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Northlandwood,
in my Woodshop i press all Sawdust and Shavings into Briquettes,they are 
stonehard and only held by Pressure!
The moistercontent of the Material shoult not exeed 15%
The Press is mounted right under the Dustcollector and works automaticly,so i 
have no accumulation of explosive Sawdust
if you need moore info dont hesitate to contact me
Fritz
  - Original Message - 
  From: northlandwood 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:54 AM
  Subject: [biofuel] WVO heater for shop


  I am a newbie to this group and I have a question.
  I am looking to build a heater for my shop. 
  I would like to use WVO.
  Does anyone have a good design?

  Also,(while I'm here)I have a large supply of sawdust.
  I am looking to burn sawdust in my fireplace or build a
  burner for sawdust.  Anyone have a good design or method.

  I was thinking of mixing the sawdust with WVO and packing it 
  into small "logs" or chips and then burning them in the fireplace, 
  but this takes time and makes a mess. 

  Anyway.thought I would throw this out there.

  Thank you for your time.




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[biofuel] Methan-Diesel

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Thanks Todd,
reading your post,makes me think that my best pick is Biofuel and Methangas 
combined.my problem at this point is only the fact that it is darn cold so i 
dont border to start to proceed my 800ltr.WVO.
So what Spring is not so fare away!
Fritz

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[biofuel] Methangas

[Friedrich Friesinger]

My question is:can Methangas be a fuel for Dieselmotors and if yes,how would it 
work?
I have a 100KVA Dieselgenerator,enough use for Electricity in my Woodshop (I 
produce Hi Energieefficient Windows there).
A big Porkfarm is less than a Mile away from my Shop and i have 
large Storage Tanks availible.
I am torn between Biofuel (collection of WVO is logistic costly)
and Gengas (i got lots of woodshavings)
but with Methangas i could bring Porkmanure to good use!
Your Input is verry appreciated
Fritz

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Re: [biofuel] First aid for house owners. final draft

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Glenn,Hakan,
if you talk about moisture penetration,dont you want to say
hydrofuge material to be used to protect the walls?You dont want moisture to 
get in but it should not be haltet to get out!
korrect me if i get it wrong please
Fritz
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] First aid for house owners. final draft


  Hakan,

  Thanks for your comment.  Yes, I am sure you are right.  The problem in the 
  past has been the wrong choice of paint, not allowing moisture to penetrate 
  through the paint.  Most of the damage happened before I got the house, and I 
  need to make sure the next paint chosen will allow moisture penetration.

  Glenn


  I take the adobe surface problem first, are you sure that you used suitable 
  paint for it. To me it sounds like the paint seals up at the surface and 
  this would then be an expected problem. The choice of paint is very 
  critical and it must allow the humidity to pass through, any collection of 
  water on the back side of the paint will give you the problems you 
  describe. Many historical buildings have been destroyed by modern paints 
  and other techniques. I had a 350 year old farmhouse in Sweden and 
  restoring that meant a lot of study in old building techniques and 
  understanding of how and why they were done that way. To understand old 
  traditional buildings is not always easy, but most of the techniques have a 
  rational explanation. I saw a lot of failed renovations and almost all of 
  them was because of sealing the construction too much, but not totally, 
  with modern materials and especially unsuitable paint.

  Hakan


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Fw: [biofuel] Green Week

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hakan,
a little Mistake by me,there is a english Version availible
Fritz
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Green Week


Hi Hakan,
The Link i have is only in German
www.gruenewoche.de
www.biogas.org

best regards
Fritz
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  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Green Week



  Fritz,

  Do you have a link to Germany's GreenWeek?

  Hakan

  At 16:45 16/01/2004, you wrote:
  >Hi all,
  >as i just received a Newsletter from Germanys GreenWeek:
  >the Manure of 15 Cows produce Electricity for 4 Households.
  >2000 Biogas plants deliver to 500 000 Households Power.
  >An excellent example of Governement investment in sustainible Powersupply.
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Re: [biofuel] Green Week

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Hakan,
The Link i have is only in German
www.gruenewoche.de
www.biogas.org

best regards
Fritz
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  From: Hakan Falk 
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  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Green Week



  Fritz,

  Do you have a link to Germany's GreenWeek?

  Hakan

  At 16:45 16/01/2004, you wrote:
  >Hi all,
  >as i just received a Newsletter from Germanys GreenWeek:
  >the Manure of 15 Cows produce Electricity for 4 Households.
  >2000 Biogas plants deliver to 500 000 Households Power.
  >An excellent example of Governement investment in sustainible Powersupply.
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[biofuel] Green Week

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi all,
as i just received a Newsletter from Germanys GreenWeek:
the Manure of 15 Cows produce Electricity for 4 Households.
2000 Biogas plants deliver to 500 000 Households Power.
An excellent example of Governement investment in sustainible Powersupply.
Fritz 

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[biofuel] Bush,President of the USA??

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Sit back and have a few laughs with some classic George W. Bush 
quotes!
>
>
>    "The vast majority of our imports
>come from outside the country."
>- George W. Bush
>
>"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
>- George W. Bush
>
>"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and 
that
>one word is 'to be prepared'."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>    "I have made good judgments in the
>past. I have made good judgments in the future."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>"The future will be better tomorrow."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>    "We have a firm commitment to NATO, 
we
>are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part
>of Europe."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>"Public speaking is very easy."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the
>polls."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>    "We are ready for any unforeseen
>event that may or may not occur."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our
>children."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the 
impurities
>in our air and water that are doing it."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
>- Governor George W. Bush
>
>And something to be REALLY worried about:
>   

I could not hide this from you

best regards Fritz




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[biofuel] open Letter from Muslim community

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi all,
foregive me to post this open Letter from the Muslim community but it deserves 
the attention of any peaceloving individual

Background: A call to mobilize against colonial occupations on March 20th,
2004, was issued and endorsed by a large nationwide coalition of
organizations and communities that included the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition;
Al-Awda, the Palestine Right to Return Coalition; the National Lawyers
Guild; the Arab Muslim American Federation; the Free Palestine
Alliance-USA; the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation; and the
Muslim Student Association of the U.S. and Canada.  The National Council
of Arab Americans (NCAA) supported this call in full.



The call to mobilize demanded ending "all colonial occupations from Iraq
to Palestine to everywhere".  It also called for "bringing the troops home
NOW" without delay, and for opposing giving an international cover to the
colonial occupation of Iraq.



Some sectors in the anti-war movement objected to and are organizing
against these demands, insisting that Palestine be dropped from the call
for March 20 (as these same sectors have often demanded), and that
internationalizing the occupation of Iraq should remain a viable option.



As a result, and in the context of a long history of being silenced and
marginalized, the Arab-American and Muslim community prepared this open
letter to the movement.





An Open Letter from the Arab-American and Muslim Community to the US
Anti-War Movement



Dear peace and justice organizations and activists,



On March 20, 2004, the world will mobilize against war and colonial
occupations.  The significance of this historic day is evident to all and
requires no further elaboration.  The political clarity and character of
this mobilization in the US, however, remains illusive.



This is where our community stands:



In confronting war, the people of Palestine and Iraq have paid dearly.
They stand against the imperial project shoulder to shoulder with
communities of color and the working class in the United States, along
with great many subjugated peoples around the globe - from Afghanistan to
Colombia, and from the Philippines to Vieques, and on.  Without a doubt,
the Palestinian and Iraqi people are both welded together in an
inextricable unity at the forefront of the global anti-war movement,
transforming themselves as a whole as its embodiment and paying in its
defense with the dearest of all - their very existence.  Yet, despite
every home destroyed, child murdered, acre confiscated and tree uprooted,
town colonized and ethnically cleansed, wall built, refugee remaining
nation-less, and incremental robbery of their self-determination, they
remain the very antithetical formulation of empire and with a vision of
justice for all.



In the United States, we, Arab-Americans and Muslims have been maliciously
targeted, stripped of our rights, and positioned outside the
constitutional framework of this country.  A new COINTELPRO has been
unleashed against our homes and living rooms, as our fathers, mothers,
sons, and daughters are plucked away and thrown into unknown prison cells.
Thus, in a continuum of history, we stand with African Americans, Japanese
Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, and all others in the painful
struggle for justice.  From them all, we take our cue, for they are our
predecessors and our partners in this long march.



Accordingly, we the undersigned hereby declare that:



1. We do not accept delinking the struggle of the Palestinian people from
the anti-war movement, and regard the struggle in Palestine, as it is
viewed worldwide, to be central to any peace and justice mobilization.



2. We insist that the Palestinian right to return and to
self-determination are the key anchors of the Palestinian struggle, and
that organizations that attempt to diminish, sidetrack, or abrogate these
rights, regardless of any other position they may take on Palestine, are
acting contrary to the will and aspiration of the Palestinian people.



3. We view all attempts to relegate our collective presence to the margin
and to tokenize our participation in the movement to be racist in
character.  In its attempt to silence the Arab and Muslim voices for
decades, particularly that of the Palestinian people, the movement in the
US has stood alone in the global movement for justice.  We see ourselves
as full partners in leading the movement as signified in the heavy price
we continue to pay along the way, and reject any attempt to objectify our
presence.



4. We regard the positions that the "colonial occupation of Iraq must be
internationalized", or that ending the occupation must be conducted over a
period of time until the "Iraqis are able to secure their democracy", as
implicitly colonial and racist.  These are positions that are rooted in
the construct of "manifest destiny" and the "white man's burden" to
"civilize".



5. We call on our people everywhere to hold all organizations accountable
to the

[biofuel] clean Hydroelectricity

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Alex,
How many Birds are killed by clean Hydropower?
The Praxis of Hydro Quebec floting vaste Aereas of Woodland to create 
Hydropower leads to Mercurypoisoning of Fish and therefor to Mercurypoisoning 
in Birds,beside the distruction of Habitat!
I believe with good Scarecrows you could kepp Birds away from small Turbines

Fritz,a passionate Birdwatcher 

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Re: [biofuel] Still, not a word on improving net metering from the powers that be....

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Murdoch

keep in mind

first they ignore you
then they laugh at you
then they fight you
then you win   ( Mahatma Gandhi)

sendt by Fritz
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  Subject: [biofuel] Still, not a word on improving net metering from the 
powers that be


  http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040109/utilities_transmission_1.html

  I keep thinking that someday even the presently-in-place governmental
  executives and legislators and administrators must *mention* the issue
  of improving net metering nationwide, as an important step in
  improving national energy policy, reducing US dependence on imports,
  improving homeowners' ability to provide for themselves, improving car
  owners' ability to generate energy for their own use, etc. 

  But while FERC and other governmental bodies seem willing to go to the
  mat about all manner of relatively obscure issues, (see the enclosed
  story, just as an example), I don't hear or see much (any?) mention of
  net metering.  

  Then, here or there, I meet this or that person still struggling with
  their local utility.  

  If I'm not mistaken we even had a recent contribution from South
  Carolina that mentioned a utility's response that nobody had installed
  solar in their area and there wasn't much hope for arriving at a
  reasonable net metering agreement (I'll have to go back and look).

  So, for my money, we continue to have areas which demark major
  deficiencies in US federal and State policies, whose hallmark is in
  part the total blackout on mentioning them that comes from government
  officials.  My view has been that it is these unmentioned areas are
  some of the most important battle areas, that the lack of mention of
  them is a conscious and deliberate attempt to keep them obscure and
  unfixed for as long as possible, and that run-of-the-mill internet
  criticism of US government is misguided when it focuses on only those
  areas that are already mentioned and dealt with in typical daily news
  and policy.  It is the un-mentioned and undealt-with that I think are
  equally as important and in need of intelligent constructive
  criticism, if not more important.

  MM


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[biofuel] Gustl

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hallo Gustl,
you got it!
I learned from Keiths posting,that you are still speaking a good bavarian 
Dialekt? Please send me a private note,if you are interestet to exchange a 
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Re: [biofuel] We don't want no stinking wind in our backyard!

[Friedrich Friesinger]

sorry Todd,
i ment A.S. or better Arnold Schwarzenegger

Fritz
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  Subject: Re: [biofuel] We don't want no stinking wind in our backyard!


  Fritz,

  AR.SCH?

  Todd Swearingen

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  > Hallo Todd,
  > it is no Buissines for us,non US Citicens to change your political System.
  > But as long you guys vote for AR.SCH i doubt anything could change
  > Fritz from Canada
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  >   Wonder if New Yorkers will moan, groan and whine as much as the
  Cronkites
  >   and Kennedys over wind turbines in Nantucket sound?
  >
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  the
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Re: [biofuel] We don't want no stinking wind in our backyard!

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hallo Todd,
it is no Buissines for us,non US Citicens to change your political System.
But as long you guys vote for AR.SCH i doubt anything could change
Fritz from Canada
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  Subject: [biofuel] We don't want no stinking wind in our backyard!


  Wonder if New Yorkers will moan, groan and whine as much as the Cronkites
  and Kennedys over wind turbines in Nantucket sound?

  http://www.battlemccarthy.com/news.html
  http://www.battlemccarthy.com/News1.html

  Also gives cause to wonder what type of catastrophe has to happen to get the
  solar collectors reinstalled that Reagan ripped off the roof of the White
  House.

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[biofuel] Windenergie

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Hakan,
i have 4 Roofventilators on my Building (50ft.high and well exposed) wich are 
installed,the Motoraxis vertically.Each is driven by a 600V 3Hp 3Phase Motor.My 
aime is,to mount on top of those Motors cups as you describe in your site to 
generate Power.
My question is,can i produce with the mouvement of my Motor electricity?It 
should produce some current but without exiting i dont know what will hapen?

Thanks for giving thoughts
Fritz

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[biofuel] Robert Fisk article

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Get America out of Iraq. Fast.

"Iraq is breaking up into rebels and collaborators, with a vast heap of 
innocent bodies turning up each day at the morgues."

By Robert Fisk
The Independent (UK) - January 2, 2003: 
Ever since Daniel Pipes - he of the failed American neo-cons - piped up last 
summer with his plan to install a "democratic-minded autocrat" (sic) in Iraq, I 
have been eyeing the Washington crystal ball for further signs of what the 
designers of this wretched war have in store for the Iraqis whom they 
"liberated" for "democracy" last year. And bingo, not long before Christmas, 
another of those chilling proposals for "New Iraq" popped up from the same 
right-wing cabal. Any predictions for Iraq this year may thus have to be based 
on the thoughts of Leslie Gelb, a former chairman of the United States Council 
on Foreign Relations, whose wretched plans for "liberated" Iraq call for 
something close to ethnic cleansing.

In no less an organ than The New York Times - the same paper which carried a 
plea last year that Americans should accept that US troops will commit 
"atrocities" in Iraq - appeared Mr Gelb's "Three State Solution", an 
astonishing combination of simplicity and ruthlessness. It goes like this. 
America should create three mini-states in Iraq - Kurds in the north, Sunnis in 
the centre and Shias in the south - the frontiers of these three entities drawn 
along ethnic, sectarian lines. The "general idea," says Mr Gelb, "is to 
strengthen the Kurds and Shias and weaken the Sunnis." Thus US forces can 
extricate themselves from the quagmire of the "Sunni triangle" while the 
"troublesome and domineering" Sunnis themselves - with no control over Iraq's 
northern or southern oil fields - will be in a more moderate frame of mind.

True, the chopping up of Iraq might be "a messy and dangerous enterprise" - 
tens of thousands of Iraqis, after all, would be thrown out of their homes and 
pushed across new frontiers - but Washington should, if necessary, impose 
partition by force. This is the essence of the Gelb plan.

Bosnia comes to mind. Or Kosovo. But if it gets us out of Iraq, who's going to 
complain when we - the famous "coalition of the willing" - push those 
recalcitrant, ungrateful Iraqis into the same kind of "divide and rule" 
colonial world for which the Americans always used to excoriate the British.

It's important not to regard all this as the meandering of Washington 
think-tanks. Pipes and Gelb and their friends helped to build the foundations 
of this war, and their ideas are intended to further weaken Iraq as a nation - 
and thus the Arab world as a whole - while maintaining American military power. 
Already, the sectarian nature of "New Iraq" has been established by 
Washington's proconsul in Baghad, Paul Bremer.

His "Governing Council" is made up of Shias, Sunnis and Kurds in direct 
proportion to their share of the population. The Shias, who form 60 per cent of 
the country, expect to take effective power in the Iraqi national elections 
this year - this, after all, is the only reason why the Shia clergy have not 
urged their people to join the anti-American insurgency - and the Americans and 
British understand this all too well. Like so many of those Arab nations 
created by the French and British amid the wreckage of the Ottoman empire after 
the First World War, Iraq is to be governed along sectarian lines.

So the coming months are not difficult to comprehend. As the insurgency 
continues - and as President Bush's re-election drama grows nearer - the US 
administration will be ever more anxious to do two things: to insist that 
America will "stay the course" - and to get out as quickly as possible. There 
will be ever more policemen hired, ever more militias, ever more ex-members of 
Saddam's old secret service, to act as sandbags between Iraqi guerillas and the 
Americans. Already - with Iraqi cops taking the most casualties - this is 
coming about. The Iraqi world is now breaking up into rebels and collaborators, 
with a vast heap of innocent Iraqi bodies - of children playing beside roadside 
bombs, children cut down by American gunfire during house raids or potests, 
busloads of passengers caught in guerilla ambushes, diners blown apart in 
restaurants - turning up each morning at the Baghdad morgue.

Mr Bush, of course, will be looking forward to the Show Trial of the Year to 
help his election prospects. What, after all, could be more calculated to 
justify the whole miserable occupation of Iraq than the concrete evidence of 
Saddam's atrocities? Already, however, this highlight is beginning to look 
distinctly worrying for the Bush administration, because any fair trial of the 
old dictator must take into account the massive evidence, much of it still 
secret in Washington, of the United States' involvement in creating - and 
supporting - Saddam's regime for the cruellest years of his rule. The 
shark-like lawyers already vying to defend Saddam ar

[biofuel] Robert Fisk new article

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi all,
you may find interest in reading this
Regards Fritz
A Happy new Year to all

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Re: [biofuel] Bottom of the Barrel

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi James,
my Generator uses 24 liters per hour,producing 80 to100 kva.
the rest is simple Mathematics
Greedings from Qubec
Fritz
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  I wonder if anyone knows how many barrels of oil it takes to produce 1 
  megawatt hour of electricity?
  Thanks in anticipation
  James

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[biofuel] Monsanto-Intervention

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Keith,
sorry for that misshap
Fritz
Voici une remarquable intervention au cours du Procs Monsanto, en Belgique, 
sur un sujet absolument crucial aujourd'hui. Bravo ˆ Mme Stengers pour son 
courage, son engagement et sa clartŽ ! Un bel exemple ˆ suivre, et ˆ faire 
conna”tre. 

Olivier : http://www.olivierclerc.fr.st

N.B.: il s'agit du procs en justice intentŽ aux personnes ayant dŽtruit un 
champ d'essai de semences transgŽniques de la firme Monsanto 
-


Texte de l'intervention d 'Isabelle Stengers lors de la dernire audience du 
procs de Monsanto le 17 Novembre 03 ˆ Namur. (Belgique) 

Isabelle Stengers (ancienne collgue d' Illya Prigogine) est chargŽe de 
cours associŽe ˆ l'UniversitŽ de Bruxelles et docteur en philosophie des 
sciences. http://www.upsy.net/spip/article.php3?id_article=16 
http://www.idiap.ch/~glotin/stengers.html 

" Madame la PrŽsidente, 

Je m'exprime ici personnellement car chacun d'entre nous a pris 
personnellement la dŽcision qui l'a amenŽ face ˆ ce tribunal. Je voudrais 
d'abord rappeler qu'en ce qui me concerne, et en ce qui concerne d'autres 
inculpŽs, cette dŽcision a inclus le tŽmoignage que nous avons acceptŽ de 
faire lorsque les gendarmes nous ont interrogŽs, et qui constituent la seule 
preuve contre nous. 

Il ne s'agit pas de dŽsigner deux catŽgories de prŽvenus, surtout pas, mais 
de souligner que le dŽlit dont nous sommes accusŽs est insŽparable, pour 
tous, des raisons qui ont ŽtŽ prŽsentŽes devant ce tribunal par les tŽmoins 
que vous avez bien voulu entendre. L'action qui nous est reprochŽe avait 
pour premire motivation de demander ˆ l'opinion publique et aux politiques 
de penser ˆ l'avenir qui se prŽpare et nous semble redoutable. Il Žtait 
normal que nous acceptions un procs o deviendraient publiques les 
informations, je dis bien les informations au sens factuel du terme, et non 
les arguments appartenant au dŽbat d'idŽes ,qui portent sur cet avenir. 

Je vous suis reconnaissante, Madame la PrŽsidente, pour la manire dont vous 
avez tenu compte de cette singularitŽ en acceptant d'Žcouter nos tŽmoins. 

Mon mŽtier d'enseignante et les livres que j'ai Žcrits sont largement 
consacrŽs ˆ la question du r™le des sciences, et de l'argument d'autoritŽ 
scientifique, dans nos sociŽtŽs modernes. J'y plaide le caractre crucial 
d'une dŽmocratie vivante, o ceux qui sont intŽressŽs ˆ une dŽcision sont 
reconnus comme interlocuteurs lŽgitimes, ayant le pouvoir d'objecter et de 
mettre ˆ l'Žpreuve la fiabilitŽ des experts. 

J'y montre les raisons de la fiabilitŽ des productions scientifiques 
spŽcialisŽes, liŽes prŽcisŽment ˆ ce que toute la communautŽ compŽtente a 
pour r™le lŽgitime d'objecter et de mettre ˆ l'Žpreuve. 

J'y souligne le dŽsŽquilibre qui se produit lorsqu'une proposition issue des 
sciences sort des lieux de recherche, car ˆ ce moment lˆ, nul ne contr™le 
plus que toutes les objections qu'elle peut soulever ont ŽtŽ prises en 
compte et ŽvaluŽes. Si l'URSS a ŽtŽ le cadre de dŽsastres Žcologiques 
terribles, c'est parce que les objecteurs y Žtaient persŽcutŽs. 

La relative sŽcuritŽ de nos industries, de l'industrie nuclŽaire notamment, 
est directement liŽe au fait que dans nos pays il est possible, il est 
encore possible d'objecter, et de prendre les moyens de faire conna”tre ses 
objections, sans risquer sa libertŽ, voire sa vie. 

Je dis bien faire conna”tre ses objections, et pour cela, enseigner et 
Žcrire des livres est tout ˆ fait insuffisant. 

En effet, ce genre de production est bien incapable de mettre en question la 
diffŽrence entre les experts reconnus comme faisant autoritŽ et ceux ou 
celles, dont je fais partie, ˆ qui on demande de ne pas se mler de ce qui 
n'est pas censŽ les regarder. C'est lˆ que nous nous heurtons aux limites de 
la dŽmocratie telle qu'elle fonctionne actuellement. 

Comme je l'ai Žcrit dans mon livre " Sciences et pouvoirs ", (p. 96-97) du 
point de vue de sa fiabilitŽ, nos sociŽtŽs modernes ont la science qu'elles 
mŽritent, fort peu fiable en l'occurrence lˆ o les pouvoirs ont la libertŽ 
de nommer leurs experts. Non pas au sens o ceux-ci, comme individus, 
seraient corrompus, mais parce que le choix de tel type d'experts plut™t que 
d'autres prŽdŽterminent les problmes qui seront pris en compte et ceux qui 
seront jugŽs secondaires. 

C'est ce que Jacques van Helden vous a confirmŽ pour le cas des OGM : 
l'expertise est dominŽe par des biologistes de laboratoire qui n'ont que peu 
d'expŽrience de ce qui se produit dans les champs, et aucune expŽrience des 
consŽquences socio-Žconomiques des innovations agricoles, mais qui jugent en 
revanche normal et lŽgitime que leurs " rŽussites " biotechnologiques soient 
synonyme de progrs. 

Quand l'invitation m'est parvenue de participer ˆ la rencontre ˆ propos des 
OGM, je me suis considŽrŽe comme tenue, car l'engagement de ceux qui 
s'opposent aux OGM correspond trs prŽcisŽment ˆ ce qui, pour moi, rest

[biofuel] Fw: Procs_Monsanto_intervention_Isabelle_Stenge rs_17/11/03

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Keith,
an interesting devellopment in the proces of Monsanto in Belgium
Do you know  Alternatives for a different World ?
www.alternatives.ca
Thanks for you interesting articles
Fritz,Quebec.ca
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:47 AM
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> Pour ton intŽrt... je rve du jour o nous pourrons
> organiser une action de la sorte ici... apparament,
> l'action contre Kruger a ŽtŽ une relative rŽussite...
> (?)
>
> On s'en reparle quand tu auras du temps...
>
> :-)
> Sabine
>
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Re: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Edward,
as i know from my german military service,the engine you talk about exists 
already.if i'm not mistaken the german
manufacturer MAN produced it.
Fritz
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  From: Edward Mendoza 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:17 AM
  Subject: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine


  Can this engine be designed?

  Can an engine be designed so that it can run on gasoline, diesel, ethanol,
  biodiesel, or veggie oil ?

  The Brazilian government is now giving tax breaks on cars that can run on
  either ethanol or gasoline.

  But in the next thirty to fifty years we will inevitably be forced away from
  fossil fuels. Therefore, engines that are designed with the versatility to
  run on any renewable resource fuels will become crucial.

  Will the engine need some minor, manual adjustments with removable parts as
  needed?
  Or can the versatile engine be designed from blueprints, at the engineering
  stage, to run on any fuel without tinkering afterwards?

  Thank you,

  Edward Mendoza
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[biofuel] Alternative Building

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Quinn,
thank you for the link 
best regards
Fritz

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Re: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Quinn,
i am preparing a project of building Homes with double Logwalls from Larchwood.
Larchwood is here in Canada verry little used since it is hard to work.My goal 
is,to build houses with a K19 value.
please send me the adress of your alternative Building List.
my Adress is :  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
thanks for your trouble
best regards
Fritz 
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  From: Quinn 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 7:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine


  Back off, Todd.  Your "break a nail/Virginia Slims" references are starting
  to sound quite misogynistic.

  Maud sounds like a real go-getter to me.  And I would put myself in that
  category also.  Neither of us (see previous posts) are afraid of "putting on
  our dungarees and getting dirty", not in the least.

  What you don't seem to understand is that there are those out there who have
  *other* interests also.  I belong to another list where people are
  researching alternative building-- exploring materials, constructing
  experimental walls/ shelters/ flooring, experimenting with roofing and
  insulation all using inexpensive, renewable materials.  This is work that I
  would consider of equal importance to the environment and our lives as
  alternative fuels.

  And yet not many of those people are *also* making their own fuel (though
  some of them might someday).  Why?  Because it takes all their time and
  energy to build and research and learn and teach alternative construction.

  Certainly those are people who would readily embrace alternative fuels  -and
  I doubt they're wearing chinos-  but their time is already spent researching
  and salvaging and experimenting with something else.

  It is a simple fact of life that we can't, each of us individually, grow the
  wheat to make the bread AND grow the soy to turn into fuel AND quarry the
  stone to build the house AND bake the bread AND process the soy into fuel
  AND actually build the house AND do it all with the depth of knowledge it
  would take to continue to refine the processes to be ever more efficient.
  Did I mention solar panels, wind turbines, waste management?

  What about someone who wanted to live environmentally sustainably but
  preferred to spend their time becoming proficient at the guitar or some such
  frivolousness, heaven forbid?  What about artists, singers, gymnasts?

  Does someone had to dig the ore, refine the metal, create the alloy, mold
  the parts, engineer and build the wind turbine to save energy and do it
  *all* themselves before they can not be considered a mindless push-button
  chino-wearer in your eyes?

  The simple fact is that Maud is right.  The majority of people around the
  world are never going to each make their own biofuel unless it becomes as
  easy as doing laundry in a home washer/ dryer set up.  Even creating
  community based canola-to-biodiesel operations in the US (that's United
  States, Keith) alone would require people who were thinking of things other
  than catalysts and converters- like remaking the entire paradigm of trade
  and redefining community.  Thank goodness there are people who *are*
  spending their time thinking of these things.

  In the meantime, there would be more of us shade-tree fuel makers if there
  were a set of plans, yes, down to the nuts & bolts.  And I see that, in
  fact, that is happening on the list.  And that is good.

  Never-owned-a-Cuisinart, don't-even-use-a-coffeemaker- Quinn

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Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] BD as Lube oil for two stroke gasoline engine


You know Maud,

There is a difference between claiming to be able to make bread from
  scratch
and then going to the kitchen and using your Champion bread processor.
  'Bout
like someone claiming to brew their own beer but using a "kit-in-a-can"
instead of whole grain.

"There are those that do," and then "there are those that don't." And
everyone knows precisely why people "don't."

What you're promoting is a philosophy of the impossible, which will
apparently make you happy but not until.

This is the processor that you're describing: "Make it so I don't have to
think. Give me a 10 year, 10,000 gallon warranty. Guarantee UL testing and
then make sure you're liabiility insurance is up to date so that when I
choose to not think, crack a nail or light my Virginia Slim in the
  presence
of an open (albeit colorfully wrapped in decorative warning colors,
conveniently sized and over-packaged) 32 ounce bottle of methanol, I can
  sue
your ass off!"

Build a processor that is as safe and efficient as a washing machine? In a
few hours no less? In case you didn't notice, that's where things are
heading. Although it's rather doubtful that the assembly line will b

Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation

[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi Alex,
i have a 100kva Generator,he uses on small Load 6ltr. and on havy load up to 
24ltr. an hour on Diesel.
So you run the Generator for one year
regards,
Fritz from Quebec
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  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: business of power generation


  Hi , folks!
  I'm thinking for quite a while about a business case of power generation 
  on a farm - or in a rural area.
  Let's suppose that I'm a farmer with 200 acres. I grow canola - then 
  press it into oil.
  So, if I get a harvest of 200 tons of canola seeds, I press it into 
  200,000 litters of canola oil.
  Then I have a pond and beside it a few 100 kWh diesel generators. So I 
  power them with oil and use pond water for cooling.
  The question is - how many generators can I have and how much power (and 
  money) I can make by selling electricity to a local
  utility, using canola oil which I grow on my farm?
  Regards, Alex




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[Friedrich Friesinger]

Hi
my Name is Fred,i just purchased a 100KVA Dieselgenerator and wish to run it 
with alternative Fuels like Biodiesel or Woodgas.
Fore any advice i wold be very thankful
Fred

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