from:"George Lola Wesel"

Re: [biofuel] $7.5 Million Feedstock Subsidy for SSPC

2002-02-28 Thread George Lola Wesel


Steve

I firmly believe that all GM's should be regarded as potentially 
dangerous in the regard towards cross breeding and also in the fact that 
the target of their modification my become immune to their modification. 
  This requires education and management on the farmers part. I can 
expand on this with the use of a Non-GM crop. If that's what you want to 
call  it.  Amaranth was introduced into KS about 12 years ago by a All 
Veggie group who was wanting someone to grow the plant for them so they 
could make an all Veggie High Protein flour.  It has taken over the 
entire area.  Up to until the introduction of Round-up Ready corn their 
was no chemical we could use to control Amaranth.  This non-GM weed (to 
us anyway) has cost us more money and lost production that any other 
single item I know of. Some say it has cross breed with the Common Pig 
weed to produce a chemically immune pig weed that is also extremely 
hard to control. If someone was to ask me if I would have been more 
concerned if amaranth would have been a GM, I would have to answer I 
could not care less. Both of these weeds were created in hell by Satin 
himself.

Right now the USDA is working on a new variety of grain sorghum that 
will have a higher starch content.  Through selective breeding but 
someday bio-technology as well. That will yield a higher alcohol yield 
per bushel of grain.  To me this is just plain GREAT  Someday we will 
drown the arab nations in alcohol. Send them back to just killing each 
other instead of including us. They will have to buy alcohol and 
biodiesel from us like we are buying crude oil from them now. Since they 
have no agriculture to speak  of.

But what really angers me through. No one can come up with a challenge 
that will stand up in court, many have tried and lost.  It wasn't for 
the lack of money either, these anti everything environmental groups do 
seem to be very well financed. If someone could come up with a challenge 
that could stand up in court. Then I could believe it had some merit. I 
would back off GM's in a flash. But they can't, so then they start in 
with the mis-information crap.  Keith had quite the series of articles 
awhile back regarding the mis-information on bio-diesel.  So it is with 
all farm chemicals and now all GM's. The chemical Roundup breaks down 
completely in nature.  It was originally produced from Caster Beans. 
Fact is Monsanto's patent on the Roundup Ready gene in corn and soybeans 
is being challenged because it exists naturally (some say)   in both 
corn and soybeans.  This would make this GM a naturally occurring plant 
if Monsanto ready did find this gene in corn and soybeans and not man 
made as the patent requires.

So many of the new GM's require a very small amount of chemical, 
herbicide and insecticide. So little that they would have to be 
considered Green when compared to the other options available. Maybe 
someday their will be no chemicals or fertilizer required. They are 
working on this. The good has to be weighted against the bad and 
everything has both good and bad traits.

I as a farmer do not like to use chemicals. I consider them to be 
dangerous but necessary.  They are also very expensive and I don't like 
the idea that they have the potential to hurt the environment.  I live 
here too you know. I would have to be considered Environmental 
Friendly, most farmers are. It is good politics and good business to be 
as Green as possible. In fact, nothing would make me happier than to 
throw away all chemicals and non organic fertilizer.  I would much 
rather grow 20 to 30 bushel corn for $10.00 per bushel than 175 to 200 
bushel corn for $1.40 like it was last year. The reduced work on me and 
wear on my machines would be a bonanza. America's cheap food policy 
depends on agricultural chemicals, and increasingly on GM's as well.

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 I have nothing against gm crops, per se, based on my limited knowledge. What
 irks me is when the inventors of such crops go after innocent farmers,
 when the gm stuff starts cross breading in the wild.



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Re: [biofuel] $7.5 Million Feedstock Subsidy for SSPC

2002-02-28 Thread George Lola Wesel

Monsanto wanted to incorporate a Terminator Gene into their Roundup
Ready corn seed but was taken to court and ordered not to do so.
Farmers in India was reusing roundup ready seed year after year.

George

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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 19:15
Subject: Re: [biofuel] $7.5 Million Feedstock Subsidy for SSPC

I have nothing against gm crops, per se, based on my limited knowledge.
What
irks me is when the inventors of such crops go after innocent
farmers,
when the gm stuff starts cross breading in the wild.

I have to admit, this is were I have a problem with granting pantents for
plants / crops. A bee does his job, and a farmer next door winds up in
court
for not paying a company for the pantented crops he grows.

Greg H.

Not to mention all the tough questions related to transgenic maize in
Mexico, the crop's center of genetic diversity. Last year, and again
last month, the Mexican Environment Ministry confirmed that farmers'
maize varieties in at least two states had been contaminated with DNA
from genetically modified maize.
http://www.etcgroup.org/article.asp?newsid=298

Mexico doesn't even grow GM maize. That's not the farmer next door,
it's the country next door. Nothing is more important than preserving
the centers of genetic diversity of our major crops. Don't say gene
banks, everyone admits that that's not adequate, including the gene
banks.

There are also serious outstanding questions concerning the role of
Bt (Bt corn) in the soil environment, and of Roundup-Ready soy, which
has seen the use of Roundup increasing, not decreasing as promised,
while there are also concerns that genetic drift from the soy could
give rise to new superweeds - and anyway both of these approaches
are a sure-fire way of creating resistance. Also Roundup (glyphosate)
is now shown to be carcinogenic. Nice. Then there's Pusztai's work
with GM potatoes that turned out to be toxic, which got him fired,
and so on and so on, with a growing host of scientists and their
institutions raising further doubts and questions, many of them
having changed sides as their doubts grew.

Meanwhile we're supposed to entrust all these rather important issues
to the likes of Monsanto, who've just demonstrated yet once again
just how well they qualify as a responsible corporate citizen.

I should add that I have nothing against genetic engineering, per se,
it holds great promise which is beginning to be realised in other
areas, but this truly bad science from these corporate thugs could
wreck all that and very much besides.

Now we're being told that the odious Terminator technology -
traitor-tech - which Monsanto has publicly promised NOT to deploy, is
the ideal answer to the problem of genetic drift from GM crops.
Sheesh.

The Precautionary Principle is the only sane approach.

Best

Keith Addison
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Re: [biofuel] $7.5 Million Feedstock Subsidy for SSPC

2002-02-28 Thread George Lola Wesel

I would say that is a very fair question. If it was possible I would.

I know several organic farmer and they don't laugh all the way to the
bank. That is just an image they would like everybody to believe. In
order to reach the production goals required by today financial needs,
organic don't cut it. Not even close. Zero Input Sustainable
Agriculture (name used by the US government) is just a dream of the
extreme left wing enviromentalist. Looks good, sounds good but not
feastable. You need to draw a clear line between those that do organic
farming with an acre or so and those who farm on the x,000 acres plus.
To grow a couple of hundred corn plants on 1/2 acre and then petal the
roasting ears to people who you meet on the street is probably very
profitable but your going to need a job on the side. With a 27,000
population per acre and 1000 acres of corn that's 27,000,000 roasting
ears. This is but one big problem. The places that broker organic food
are not capable of handling large volume. The market just isn't their yet.

Do you have a clue how much manure it takes to equal 250 pounds of NH3.
The average amount of nirtrogen put on an acre of irrigated corn here in
KS. Or how many cows it would take to produce enough manure to fertilize
1000 acres of irrigated corn. The reason I say irrigated is that dryland
corn here in KS is a iffy crop at best. This doesn't even touch on the
labor required to load, haul, and spread the manure or the costs
involved. To use manure would not only be labor intensely, but terribly
costly as well. I would lose my butt big time to use all manure. They
say rotate your crops. Yes, alfalfa does put a little nitrogen into the
soil. But not nearly enough to grow 200 bu per acre corn. I do rotate
my crops, especially my dryland crops but I do rotate my irrigated as
well. To keep the chemical costs to a minmium. On a very small farm, an
acre or so, organic is the only way to go. Their are organic farms up
to 100 acres or so. But their not profitable, just diehard, stubborn
Gonna do it organic types. They would do it even if they were
starving. If I can't produce in the 175 and up range then I won't be
here next year. Someone else will be farming my farm and he won't be
organic.

For chemicals their is no organic replacement. They simplely let the
bugs chow down. Diease is uncontrollable except by rotation. In bad
years like we had last year they don't raise a crop. If organic was
suddenly required by all governments in this world. No one would be
able to buy enough food to live on. It would simpley be a severe food
shortage. As long as organic has conventional farmer to produce for the
masses then they can produce for the few (and growing) who buy organic
only. If everybody tried to buy organic only, their would be one hell of
a long line everywhere they sell food.

The simple fact is, organic is not ready to replace conventional
farming. Except on a small and local scale.

One last comparision. I'm sure you don't like to buy gasoline for your
car or truck, whatever. I'm sure you don't like to buy tires, oil, and
repairs or that you don't like the idea of being a part of the pollution
that is generated in the world every day. So why don't you walk to work
everyday. I'm sure their is people out their who do, but is it
feastable for everybody to walk. Cut down on the gas comsumption of the
world, cut down on air pollution and get a lot of good exercise in
addition but it's just not workable for the vast majority. So it is with
American agriculture. Organic farming cannot feed the world. For me to
switch would create such a severe income loss that it is not even a
remote option. Conventional ag needs the ag chemicals to produce the
crop big enough to pay the bills by as few people (per farm) as possible

To close, I'm sure their are places in the world where organic farming
on a larger scale than I am portraying here is possible, but they are
labor intensive. They just are not possible on a large scale and today's
agriculture is growing larger and larger on that scale. It has to, our
fixed costs go up every year and the only way to cope is to get bigger.
It is a vicious circle. Remember that question about How many cows
would it take to fertilize 1000 acres of corn How many ton of poop can
you scope in a day? While your scoping poop, who's going to be pinching
bugs?

I hope I didn't bore you
George

So why don't you? There's plenty of totally organic farmers who are
laughing all the way to the bank. You
too can end your chemical dependancy -- Just say NO!

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Re: [biofuel] $7.5 Million Feedstock Subsidy for SSPC

2002-02-26 Thread George Lola Wesel


Keith and Dana

I agree that I wouldn't want anything that isn't safe.  Being feed to me 
or to any animal I was going to eat.  But I have a real hard time 
believing this is completely about safety.

In Europe it's called Liberty Link in the US it's called Roundup 
Ready.  For all practical purposes they are the same.  The European 
governments are screaming that Roundup Ready is unsafe and refuse to let 
the US export either the seed or the chemical.  But yet they continue to 
develop their Liberty Link. Now the US chemical companies (who own the 
seed companies)  are refusing to let Liberty Link or the seed to be sold 
in the US. This is nothing less than government protection of a new 
industry in their respective countries, not safety. China is just new to 
the game and Japan will be soon to join, if they haven't already.

I reminder Saccharin sorry for the spelling but it was banned, then 20 
years later when the newer higher priced products where firmly 
established then they suddenly reversed themselves and now we can buy 
all the saccharin you would ever want.

As for some lab saying that something is unsafe, their is at least one 
lab who would gladly say that it is for every one that would say that it 
wasn't.  It is their money that clearly decides what their lab will say.

I personally do not believe that anybody has come up with any strong 
evidence to warrant all the bans being put on except that which is being 
spread to protect private industry from foreign interests. Which is all 
BS to me. During the 70's the big oil people were saying and swearing 
that ethanol was so bad for our cars.  Reminder the signs Contains NO 
Alcohol on the gas pumps.  I do and I think we are seeing them again 
right now.

As I said, just politics.  That's all this is to me and until someone 
comes up with some good solid proof then that is all it will be.

I do however respect your opinions and do feel that research should 
continue until GM's are either proven safe or not safe. Not that this is 
going to change anybody's mind on this matter. I will wait to see before 
I make my judgment on them.

George


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Re: [biofuel] $7.5 Million Feedstock Subsidy for SSPC

2002-02-25 Thread George Lola Wesel


Steve

I've seen China and the Soviet Union do this many, many times.  It is 
their way of getting something from us.  This is just politics.  Nothing 
to it at all, in 6 months or so they will cough up what they want, if we 
say yes then it's business as usual, if we say no then the ban will be 
enlarged to include something else.  Lots of big word and tough talk but 
that's all it is.  Most likely just driving the price down so they can 
load up on cheap beans in 6 months or so, maybe a year

George




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 of course. biodiesel comes from plants, hydrogen from fossil fuels. you
 don't think the oil interests would let him get away with that? hmmm. wonder
 what they will do with all those GM Soybeans they can't unload on china.
 Biodiesel anyone?
 
 
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   Keith:
   Not a word from Bush this morning (Feb. 25th) about biodiesl in his 
 energy
   policy speech! He is all for fuel cells.
   Comment.
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
   Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 10:03 PM
   Subject: [biofuel] $7.5 Million Feedstock Subsidy for SSPC
  
  
http://www.quicken.com/investments/news/story/bw/?story=/news/stories/
bw/20020212/a2118.htmsymbol=SSPC
   
Southern States Power Co. Receives Approval For Up To $7.5 Million
Feedstock Subsidy Under U.S. Department of Agriculture Bio-Energy
Program
   
Updated: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 08:18 AM ET   ONTARIO,
Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 12, 2002--Southern States Power Co.
Inc. (OTCBB:SSPC) today announced that the company has received
notification that its application has been approved for the 2002
United States Department of Agriculture Bio-Energy Subsidy Program
(CCC-850).
   
As a result of the growing national interest of developing renewable
energy sources, the U.S. government initiated this program to support
renewable fuel production. Under the subsidy, the company will be
reimbursed quarterly for purchases of bio-based feedstock used in the
production of biodiesel.
   
Harrison A. McCoy III, CEO of Southern States Power Co., commented,
Approval of the company's application represents an important step
in development of Southern States as a biodiesel producer and is
another milestone in its expanding corporate strategy, putting
Southern States in an ideal position to capture a substantial portion
of the regional market.
   
This program also assists U.S. efforts to establish homeland energy
security and shift payments from foreign oil interests to America's
farmers, assisting in the overall health of domestic agriculture,
McCoy added.
   
All biodiesel produced from soy oil by Southern States Power Co. for
fiscal year 2002, up to a maximum amount of $7.5 million, will be
eligible under the Bio-Energy subsidy program. The subsidy includes
biodiesel produced from the Coachella joint venture plant, as well as
any soy-based biodiesel produced at planned facilities in Reno, Nev.,
Phoenix, and Sacramento, Calif.
   
About Southern States Power Co.
   
Southern States Power Co. is a fully reporting publicly traded
company, whose core business is to develop, produce and distribute
alternative fuels, particularly its OxEG Biodiesel. Southern States
Power Co. has two synergistic divisions: one for the production and
sale of biodiesel and the other devoted to the generation of power
using alternative fuels.
   
Tightening clean air standards and growing fossil fuel costs are
forcing municipal and private commercial fleets to look toward
alternative fuel products. Major biodiesel initiatives have been
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Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-15 Thread George Lola Wesel


Would someone help me out on this.  This says that a bushel of corn will 
  yield 1.5 pounds of corn oil on the top part and .5 pounds a little 
farther down.  At 56 pounds a bushel, that's 2.6 percent oil for the 
higher number and .89 percent oil for the lower number.  At the very 
bottom it says that soybeans were not included because they contain less 
than 20 percent oil and that is not practical to extract.

Am I doing something wrong here?

George





   Each bushel of corn [56 pounds] can produce up to 2.5 gallons of 
 ethanol fuel
   1.5 lbs. of corn oil
 Module 2 - Ethanol Science  Technology  c1998
   WHAT'S IN A BUSHEL OF CORN?
 http://www.nwicc.cc.ia.us/module2.htm
 
 Corn oil
   About a half pound of oil is obtained from a bushel of corn.
 http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/Crops/Corn_oil.html
 





 (*) Soybeans are  not included in the list because their oil content of 
 only 20 percent makes it impractical
 to extract oil from them by mechanical pressing.  Soybean oil is 
 recovered by solvent extraction.
 



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Re: oilseed content - was Re: [biofuel] rapeseed seeds

2002-02-14 Thread George Lola Wesel



 Corn gives 129 pounds/18 gallons of oil per acre - corn oil,


Keith

Corn in Iowa will do from 100 up to 150 bu per acre, depending on the 
year.  Here where I live dry land corn is good for 50 to 100 bu per 
acre, irrigated from 170 to 250 bu per acre.  Every area has it's own 
capacity.

What would the average amount of oil per bushel for corn and soybeans 
be?  Considering that different varieties, from different years are all 
even.


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Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA?/consider the alternative

2002-02-14 Thread George Lola Wesel


Dana

I agree completely, the law  is the law and we must all obey the law or 
havoc will commence.  We may not agree with them, we might think it is 
just awful but it is the only legal thing to do.  I don't like the EPA 
either but I still comply with whatever they say is the law.  I cannot 
afford to fight them either. I think they would be a very good case for 
Big Brother  Way to damn much power. And a federal buracasty to 
protect it.

Another point is that fellow who got shut down did say something about 
building his own technology. This leaves one very large question, Does 
his new technology produce good biodiesel, bad biodiesel or maybe 
something completely different that does burn in diesel motors.

If protecting my lungs and the lungs of my children and grandchildren 
causes some COMMERICAL biodiesl producer (or whatever he was really 
making) to get shut down because he cannot guarantee me or anybody else 
that his product is safe then that's just to bad, shut him down.

For these people who say that it is not his responsiably to prove that 
his (whatever it is) is safe then who's responsiably is it?  Sure as 
hell ain't mine.  If he don't do it and the EPA don't do it then I am 
going to end up breathing, eating and drinking a lot of very bad 
chemicals.  Is it my job to get a sample of every product that is sold 
in my state and have it tested.  That's the EPA job, it's only to bad 
that they do seem to get a little cared away defending their pet 
projects which does seem to benefit certain extreme enviromental groups.

Keep up the good word
George


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Re: [biofuel]

2002-02-01 Thread George Lola Wesel




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 I have been informed that technically, running biodiesel in you car
 without paying road tax is illegal.  Any information .
 

In KS the road tax is .21 cents on a gallon of gasoline and .23 cents on 
everything else.  Ethanol, Biodiesel, diesel, and popane are classified 
as Special Fuel with a higher tax. This is state tax only, their is 
also Federal Road Tax on top of this. I know of no state that does not 
collect road tax, other than maybe Alaska.  Their could be, but I can't 
say for sure.

The penality is simple.  One hundred dollars (USD) per gallon of fuel 
capacity of the vehile.  If your car hold 20 gallon of diesel and you 
are caught then your fine is $2,000.00 plus court costs.

If the DOT askes to dip your tank and you say no then you have an 
automatic $1,000.00 fine. They know it's diesel by the rattle of the 
motor in a car or pickup.

Road tax is paid on every gallon of fuel that is burned on a road. 
Industrial and farm equipment use non-taxed diesel.

I own several large trucks that travel form state to state and this is 
direct form the DOT in KS as well as several other states.  I assume 
with confidence that the rest of the country is close to this.

To check for sure, look at the price of diesel in your part of the 
country.  If it's more than .80 cents then you have road tax added. Ask 
at any place that sells diesel fuel they will be more than happy to tell 
you.

All this is for KS only, your state could be completely different.
What you do and don't tell anybody, nobody will know about. I pay the 
road tax, I can't afford not to.


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Re: [biofuel] ethyl esters

2002-01-23 Thread George Lola Wesel


   I strongly recommend you start off making methyl esters. Ethyl esters
   is much more difficult. Start off with small batches, maybe one
   litre, first with new oil (uncooked), then try titration and used
   oil. 



Keith

What does the term titration mean?

George


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Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-21 Thread George Lola Wesel

Robert

Thanks you very much for your very well explained answer. I am not
interested in hydrogen as a fuel. I am just wondering why our
government and a lot of big companies are spending so much money to try
to develop an energy source that appears to be so unworkable when
compared to biodiesel or ethanol.

I was wondering if maybe I was wrong, thanks to you I will continue to
hold my present opinion.

Thanks Again
George

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George Lola Wesel wrote:

snip

I would like to calculate the BTU's needed to to drive a 4,500 pound
pickup 700 miles at 75 mph. Then calculate the hydrogen needed to
produce this many btu's and then comvert this to pounds . . .

more snippage

I would really appreciate it if someone could make this comparision
for me.

Thank You
George

I've done this sort of calculation many times over the years, and I'm
always disappointed with the results. Let's begin with the energy in your
diesel fuel. Using a value of 10 555 watt hours per liter, your gallon of
diesel yields about 39 900 watt hours per gallon. Multiply this by 40,
and you
get the total watt hours of energy burned for your 700 mile trip. This
value
calculates to 1 595 916 watt hours--an astonishing amount of energy!

You can't buy a fuel cell right now, and it's unlikely you'll be able to
buy one any time soon. Further, the overall efficiency of current fuel cell
technology is not any better than your diesel engine--in fact, in some cases
it's much worse. The expense of using fuel cells and tying them into an
electric drive system falls into the realm of finances that only governments
and huge corporations can afford at the present time. So, you're stuck with
internal combustion for now.

In a direct comparison to hydrogen, you'd be assuming a number of
things.
In the first place, hydrogen would have to be direct injected into a
modified
engine (in the case of your diesel, that would include lowered compression
ratio--as autoignition for hydrogen requires something ridiculous like
28:1--spark plugs and a different fuel delivery system) in order to approach
the efficiency of your diesel engine without losing power. (A direct
injected
gaseous fueled engine can actually make MORE power than a similar engine on
liquid fuel because of increased volumetric efficiency.) But as long as we
remain in the realm of fantasy, you will need to burn 1 595 916 watt
hours of
hydrogen in order to equal the amount of work that your current diesel
engine
does for you--and I stress that this is a BEST CASE scenario. (I have a
lot of
experience with gaseous fueled engines. In nearly every situation, they
function with reduced power and fuel economy because of the problems
associated
with getting a gaseous fuel mixed with air in the combustion chamber.) This
much hydrogen equates to 5 320 liters at 100 atmospheres' pressure.
(For the
metrically challenged, that works out to something in the order of 1 400
gallons.)

By mass, hydrogen contains three times the energy of diesel fuel. This
means you'd need a little over 33 kilos of hydrogen, or 73 pounds of fuel,
which doesn't sound like a lot. However, our current technology requires a
pressure vessel roughly 100 times the weight of the stored gas. With
this in
mind, the H2 needed for your 700 mile trip will demand a tank weighing
over 7
000 pounds.

Are you beginning to understand why nobody does this? Using an
intermetallic hydride to store your gas cuts the weight considerably,
but you'd
still need a LOT of hydride, and it's very expensive material.

Also, this doesn't take into account the problem of generating
hydrogen in
the first place. One kilogram of hydrogen usually requires over 60 kilowatt
hours of electricity to split from water using conventional electrolysis.
Microbial fermentation also works and is much less energy intensive, but
you'd
need about five kilos of sugar for every kilo of H2 produced in this manner.
Then, there's the expense of all that conversion equipment, generation and
compression equipment, added to the difficulty of explaining what you're
doing
to the local fire marshall. (This person will want to have you
committed to a
nice, friendly place with padded wall paper . . . )

Don't let me discourage you, but if you're really interested in
hydrogen,
learn as much as you can about it before investing any money. Personally, I
think you're better off with biodiesel or SVO for your truck, and if you
really
want H2, use it as a supplemental fuel additive to improve overall
efficiency
and clean up your exhaust. Good luck!

robert luis rabello

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[biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-19 Thread George Lola Wesel


Hi Everybody

I am asking this group's collective mind to calculate something for me 
that I do not know how to calculate for myself.

I would like to calculate the BTU's needed to to drive a 4,500 pound 
pickup 700 miles at 75 mph.  Then calculate the hydrogen needed to 
produce this many btu's and then comvert this to pounds and the size of 
tank required to hold this much fuel.  The weight of this hydrogen tank 
would also need to be added to the pickup weight.  Assuming the fuel 
cell and electric motors will weight out about the same as my present 
motor and transmission.

My 4x4, 3/4 ton pickup can do this on 40 gal of dinodiesel.  This 
includes regular stops, stop signs, and slow drivers. I would like to 
know how much hydrogen it would take to do the same thing.

I would really appreciate it if someone could make this comparision for me.

Thank You
George


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Re: [biofuel] UK environment agency

2002-01-09 Thread George Lola Wesel

Could the murky water left over from the production of biodiesel be
distilled? If it could it would at least reduce the volume to contend with.

George

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Kieth, thanks for your encouragement and comments on possible biodisel
pollution. I have it on good authority that the UK environment agency
require a 'bribe' of approx $USD 30,000 to analyse possible pollution. If
biodiesel plant dischaeges mirky water into the water system here without
authority big fines are payable, whether it's biodegradable or not. The UK
is a very polluted place and, being a small island, nowhere is far from the
coast. Personally I don't blame the authorities for taking a tough stance.
If a biodiesel factory was discharging mirky water on my favorite beach I
would not be happy, being a keen windsurfer. There's already a huge sewerage
problem all round the coast and most rivers are already full of all kinds of
crap.

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[biofuel] Methanol

2002-01-04 Thread George Lola Wesel


Hi Everybody

A few emails back someone asked about how to make HCL  The answer he got 
was quick and easy.

Could anybody do the same for methanol.  I understand that methanol is 
synthesized by the combining of CO, CO2, and H2 in a reaction chamber 
under pressure and at a high heat.

How much pressure and heat?

Could anybody outline the steps needed to perform this reaction?

Thanks
George


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[biofuel] I GOT A VIRUS TOO

2001-12-22 Thread George Lola Wesel


I got a virus from [EMAIL PROTECTED], as well.
Mine had a different Subject,  Re:Biofuel from biomass (cellulose)


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Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO/Cummins (long) (was SVO vs B-D) -

2001-12-22 Thread George Lola Wesel


I know a fellow who  has a White-Freightliner and he has a diesel heater 
in his diesel tank that keep his tank warm.  Don't know if it's 12 or 
120.  Don't know what it looks like, have never seen it.  A guy could 
ask a White dealer about it

George


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[biofuel] Biodiesel vs Dino diesel

2001-12-22 Thread George Lola Wesel


Where BD has no additives to make it more lubricating or real smooth did 
it have more or less wear on the pump, valves and the like.  Does it do 
as good a job of lubing the motor as dino diesel.

Do any of you know anybody who has put on a lot of miles with BD?

Did his motor and pump hold up as could have been expected from diesel?

Was he as happy with BD as with dino diesel in a overall picture?

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Re: [biofuel] SVO/WVO business opportunity??? Power generation

2001-12-21 Thread George Lola Wesel

I would try a Army surplus store. They sometimes have generators of all
different kinds.

George

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I have spoken to our local electric coop and they are
interested in co-generation as a way to shave peak
demand for electricity they must buy from large
producers. No commitment from them yet but high
interest in providing medium size diesel gensets for
local small manufacturing firms. They may have access
to low interest loans and grants to help any coop
member that wishes to install a medium size
co-generation unit...which the coop can remotely
control. The coop would then start up the genset when
demand is so high that they have to pay a premium for
wholesale power. At such times they are more willing
to credit the member the premium than pay it to an
outside producer. The owner would of course have
control of the unit themselves in that the coop could
not remotely shut it down if the owner was already
using it...only start it up if it was not in use and
the power was needed.

They may be willing to install the units, and provide
not only maint. of the power side but the diesels as
well.

I want the fuel contract. SVO/ WVO and biodiesel.

Since the fuel and engine can be kept warm all the
time the need for heated lines is eliminated as is the
need for diesel purge. Except, to prevent combustion
chamber deposits. I am thinking a simple timer might
be used to switch over to thecleaning solution once
every hour for a few minutes. Any other ideas?

This may hold promise as a business opportunity for
others so I thought I would share.

Anyone know of a good source for new or slightly used
diesel gensets?

Dana

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[biofuel] Different Kinds of VO

2001-12-20 Thread George Lola Wesel


Could anyone tell me what kind of VO would make the best bio-diesel? 
Say easier cold starting or maybe better octane or thinner.  I am 
wondering about let's say rape vs. sunflowers for example.


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Re: [biofuel] Different Kinds of VO

2001-12-20 Thread George Lola Wesel

I have not made any yet. Will grow my own crop when I am ready. Just
planning and learning now.

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have you made any with soy yet?
what technique did you use and how much glycerine was
formed and what was it's consistency?

--- craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've heard that soy and rapeseed aka canola are the
best, but almost any vegetable
oil will work.

Craig

George Lola Wesel wrote:

Could anyone tell me what kind of VO would make
the best bio-diesel?
Say easier cold starting or maybe better octane or
thinner. I am
wondering about let's say rape vs. sunflowers for
example.

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Re: [biofuel] Different Kinds of VO

2001-12-20 Thread George Lola Wesel

Soybeans have such a low yield compared to canola or sunflowers. Is
their really that much difference in quality. Soybeans are a good crop
to, nothing against soybeans. Just want to most oil per acra.

George

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I'm converting my vehicle to run on SVO/WVO (straight vegetable oil or waste
vegetable oil) with a 2nd heated tank for the SVO/WVO - and with starting
and shut-down on regular diesel (or biodiesel.) But lots of folks make
biodiesel from soy.

Craig

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