Re: [Biofuel] A nice experience
FFA's. In small quantities it wont hurt anything in large quantities it will hurt something. In the netherlands your primary problem is probably that FFA's will drive up you jell point on you wont be able to start your car on a cold morning. If you knew how much phosphoric you used you could guess *at the FFA content of your fuel *of FFA's your running on. If you acid treated the glycerin and knew how much FFA's you got out of that you'd have another guess the FFA content of your fuel. kk Pieter Koole wrote: Some time ago I wrote about my mistake, to not boil off the water out of wvo, so I finished up with a lump of soap, glop or whatever we can call it. Alltogether it was 1000 liters. Now I decided to try to break the soap with phosphoric acit (75%) and let it sit for several weeks. The soap was cracked and I was lucky to siphon from the top just over 700 liters of BD. I have been driving on it, without any problems. Maybe someone out there can do something with this information. I have been thinking that I might be driving on FFA's at the moment in stead of BD, but it works. Met vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: acetone
I can give you a data point about biodiesel and particulates. I tried 2 oz/gallon of acetone in my B100 since that is the biggest issue I have with my biodiesel, just to clarify other issues are the VOCs and minute quantities of carcinogens in the exhaust but I haven't heard of any ways to remediate those that are easy to implement. So when I run 2oz of acetone/gallon of BD my particulate levels go from fairly noticeable to very difficult to detect. I realize that's not very scientific but I'd encourage anyone with the appropriate instruments to do further research. I'd certainly donate biodiesel to an interesting study if you'll cover transport from Richmond CA. kk Derick Giorchino wrote: - Original Message - From: Derick Giorchino To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: FW: acetone -Original Message- From: Derick Giorchino [[2]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 7:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: acetone I did try adding 4oz run of the mill acetone to my 40 gal tank of dino diesel and using the read out picked up 2.3 mpg under real life driving. I commute the same distance each day some surface roads and some cruse control miles. my nex t test will be to add 2 oz per 10 gal and see the results. ill let you know. as far as the cat and o2 sensor the thing that kills them is abrasives such as ca rbon particles braking loose and kind of sand blasting the membrane. the cat sh ould be better off since the claim is less smoke there again the soot would be the thing that clogs it. my question is how it will work on bio diesel. this will take me more time sinc e I have yet to have a successful test batch, but that's for another time. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [5]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [6]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [8]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel 6. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 7. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Acetone in fuel increases mileage by 15 -35%
Selling fuel is a stable low risk business. The independent retailers don't generally see radical change as part of their business model. Otherwise why aren't they all selling B20? There are two or three groups where people report their mileage and some people are reporting good results, some people are reporting no change. At this point based purely on the end user reports I believe there may be particular circumstances under which Acetone does improve your mileage, of course it could be placebo effect of people just paying more attention to their driving but if you have to buy a little acetone with every fillup in order to drive more efficiently then I'm OK with that also. I tried testing it myself but I don't have a working odometer and since we don't retail by the gallon I don't have a pump that is accurate enough to get any good data. It did appear to help the opacity of my exhaust but that's all I can report about adding acetone to B100. kk bob allen wrote: there are a lot of independent retailers out there who would love to sell more gas if they could advertise it as providing 30 % better mileage. They could even a couple of cents to the price and be ahead on cost/distance. enny Dunn wrote: Except that the petro industry doesn't really have any interest in you getting better mileage. They certainly aren't telling us any ways to send them less money. $.02, Ken Michael Redler [1][EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You're making sense Bob. bob allen [2][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if it really worked, which I highly doubt, don't you think somebody would be blending and selling the mix already? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [4]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [5]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [6]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [7]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [9]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel 5. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 6. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 7. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 8. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Engine Warrantys
Also note that Warranty coverage is a very local issue (determined by state here in the US). In California an end user cannot do anything that voids their warranty. The waranty covers the materials and workmanship. I.e. quality of the materials and how well it was put together. So if there is a problem with your engine (or any device), you are covered in California unless there is evidence that you are at fault. Basically the manufacturer is guilty until proven innocent. So the question is not does biodiesel void your warranty but does the manufacturer claim that biodiesel is appropriate for your engine at this point as far as I know none of the engine manufacturers recommend B100 (I'd love to see evidence to the contrary!). However a close friend of mine purchased an extended warranty that covered B100 in a VW Jetta from the Berkeley. CA Volkswagen dealership it was money in the bank for them. He put many miles on it for over a year and did nothing other than scheduled maintenance. He eventually sold it because he needed something bigger. kk Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hello Chuck. About Mercedes I know that it surely will. I also know that you most likely won«t have to have warranty claims because of biodiesel. The essence of MB:s biodiesel policy is that the plastic, rubber seals and hoses of the fuel system may be affected by biodiesel. This goes for all passenger car models. They«re saying that the rubber parts are not made from viton, which they should be. But if they are made from nitrile, you may expect small problems, if any. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Chuck Elsholz [2][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [3][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 3:08 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Engine Warrantys Does anyone happen to know if using biodiesel will void your engine warranty? Specifically dodge or mercedes. Thanks Chuck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [5]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [6]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [7]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [9]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [10]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [11]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [12]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [14]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel 6. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 7. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 8. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel 10. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 11. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 12. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 13. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 14. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method
Gregg, Are you sure there was no water in the WO before beginning? Sounds like you have a ton of soap if you are not getting *any* separation. At a minimum the alcohol layer should separate back out. Remember when you mix the methanol with the oil you are basically creating an emulsion. When you stop mixing the only thing that's going to hold them together is soap. kk Gregg Davidson wrote: Hello Everyone, I started on a new batch of biodiesel this past Friday. I'm using Aleks Kac's 2 Stage Method had a lot of success last year with it. Now it seems that I've hit the proverbial brick wall. I've cafefully calculated the volume, 25 litres of WVO, warmed the WVO to 35* C, added 2 litres (8%) of methanol, mixed for 15 minutes rather than 5, then added 25 mls of 98% sulfuric acid. Maintaining 35* C mixing for 1 hour, then shut off the heat mixed for another hour. Afterward s, the WVO sat overnight. Saturday morning I started Stage 2. I had mixed the m ethoxide Friday night let it settle. I used 3 litres of methanol 87.8 grams of NaOH. I used the full 3.5 grams of NaOH that Aleks mentioned due to oil pur ity questions. Prior to heating, I added 1.5 litres of the methoxide to the WVO started the stirrer. I allowed the mixture to stir for 15 minutes to ensure a complete mixing. Afterwards, I heated the WVO to 55* C. The burner I was usin g is a bit tricky to r egulate the heat varied from 55* to 61* C. The process went on for 2.75 hours, all seemed well. I po ured some of what I thought was biodiesel into a 2 litre beaker so I could moni tor the settling. No noticable settling had occurred after 24 hours, generall y you start to see settling within a few minutes. I backtracked thought that perhaps it just needed some extra methoxide, so I made up some more using the v olumes Aleks says to use, 750 mls methanol (3%) 24 grams of NaOH (.75 grams + 25% as I thought my NaOH had carbonated), reheated the WVO to 55* C, added th e new methoxide solution, maintaining heat stirring for 1hour. Afterwards, I found that I had the same problem, no separation of glycerine esters. I was not able to get a pH reading on the oil as I do not have a meter at my di sposal. I may have just undershot everything. I'm not sure if there is a point that WVO can reach that this method would deal with to render a quality biodies el. I know that the base reaction needs a pH of 8 to 9, but what pH does the ac id reaction need to crack the FFA's. As always, any help, suggestions, or critisms are welcome. Sincerely, Gregg Davidson - Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [3]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [4]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [5]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [7]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel 3. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 4. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 5. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 6. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The need for Gmail invitation
Thought I'd present the other side of this discussion by a noted privacy advocate and open source proponent (basically our kind of people I think). [1]http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/4707 (The Fuss About Gmail and Privacy: Nine Reasons Why It's Bogus) Keith Addison wrote: Hello Pannirselvam Hello Keith and all our list members Gmail is going to increase from 1 Mega To 2 Mega , as I have alot of invitation to be sent , Most of our list members are welcome as our e mail list is very big one . Please kindly inform if any one really need as gmail help us too There are some concerns about gmail. I think it's as well to be aware of them. See: [2]http://www.google-watch.org/ Google Watch [3]http://www.google-watch.org/gmail.html Gmail is too creepy [4]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3602745.stm BBC NEWS | Business | Google's Gmail sparks privacy row 5 April, 2004 [5]http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/GmailLetter.htm Thirty-One Privacy and Civil Liberties Organizations Urge Google to Suspent Gmail [6]http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,62917,00.html Wired News: Free E-Mail With a Steep Price? Regards Keith Thanking all sd Pannirselvam P.V Brasil -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [8]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [9]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [10]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [11]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [13]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/4707 2. http://www.google-watch.org/ 3. http://www.google-watch.org/gmail.html 4. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3602745.stm 5. http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/GmailLetter.htm 6. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,62917,00.html 7. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 8. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel 9. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 10. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 11. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 12. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 13. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Willie
Well I thought I'd do a little research as the National Press Club, which does host very distinguished invited speakers very frequently, and is an organization that I hold in fairly high esteem. It turns out that the National Press Club does not list any event including any Joseph Newman so while he may be hosting his News Conference at the NPC he is not speaking to the NPC a big difference. So unless there's been some mistake on the press clubs event listing it looks like a manufactured grab for legitimacy. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Bob It's a hardy perennial - it last came up two years ago, with much amusement over such things as the magical gas pump that never runs out, the wonders of poteen, green cheese, and pickled leprechauns (hence their scarcity), along with an expert opinion that heavier-than-air machines do indeed not fly. I think your advice on wallets might be apt. Whatever happened to Dennis Lee? No disrespect Scott, but you must also be new to thermodynamics. Newman's BS has been around for years, but that's all it is. What is it about magnets that so mystify people? Hmm... another hardy perennial... I do hope we aren't going to have magnets strapped to our fuel lines again. That makes for serious flame wars, judging from past experience. I think I banned them at one stage, didn't I? By popular demand. Best Keith From His webpage: In other words, the revolutionary nature of this system is the fact that Joseph Newman has discovered a new electromagnetic principle of nature and has innovated a technology capable of converting mass (copper coil) into energy (in accordance with E=mc^2) via a highly efficient electromagnetic reaction rather than an inefficient fission reaction. Hold on to you wallet if he is around. Scott wrote: snip Oh, I almost forgot. For those interested in other forms of alternate energy, there will be a press conference at the National Press Club next Monday afternoon. Joseph Newman will explain and demonstrates his newest energy machine prototype 1pm Monday, March 28, 2005 - Energy News Conference - DC National Press Club - - NEW ENERGY TECHNOLOGY DEMO - Newman Energy Machine News Conference [1]http://www.josephnewman.com Joseph Newman will display/demonstrate his newest energy machine that is a quantum leap above his earlier energy machine technology. As the price of oil escalates, Joseph Newman's energy machine is an inexpensive, non-polluting electromagnetic source for the world's energy needs. This technology provides access to virtually unlimited energy that is abundant, inexpensive, and environmentally-friendly. The Newman energy machine is an electromagnetic motor that runs COOL (unlike ALL conventional motors) and harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in accordance with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. The Newman energy machine will provide a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas, coal, and nuclear energy sources. This technology will power every automobile, home, appliance, farm, factory, ship, and plane at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy. A worldwide inexpensive energy source will have profound geopolitical implications for the Middle East. -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [2]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [4]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. http://www.josephnewman.com/ 2. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO- Filter ideas???
In the US restaurant equipment suppliers sell both filters and filter material that work very well for warm VO coming out of the fryer. The big drawback with screening on top of the barrels is that restaurants tend to over fill the barrel because they cant see how full it is and then you have a greasy mess, just our experience. kk John Wilson wrote: My WVO suppliers wants me to supply barrels and I want to design a filter for the barrels to make it easier to handle and to make sure the WVO is filtered before it goes into the barrel. I plan to make the top filter flat and from 1/4 hardware cloth bending it over the top of the barrel to form, a 3/4 to 1 inch lip. To protect fingers I plan to use a plastic strip around the edge of the filter. Under neath the 1/4 mesh filter, counter sunk 3-4 '', a window screen mesh filter made from metal screening. That is if I can find a souce of metal screening. Most of the darn stuff now is plastic.This screen will be bent over the top of the barrel with a half inch lip. Since screening is lighter than hardware cloth I will probably have to melt plastic around the lip to give the screen some rigidity. Any other ideas or better ideas would be appreciated. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: [2]http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: [3]http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: [4]http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm [5]http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [7]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [8]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [9]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [10]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [12]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm 3. http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm 4. http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm 5. http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm 6. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel 8. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 9. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 10. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 11. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 12. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: A timely reminder from Ben Franklin
Bo, I wanted to say thanks for you thoughtful and well informed postings. I think it behooves all of us to realize when we're hearing each others ego and not each others spirit. I believe it happens to us all and of course we never sound to ourselves the way we sound to those we are communicating with, Ben Franklin and Richard Moon are a couple of my models in the area of communicating. Here's what Ben had so say from [1]http://earlyamerica.com/lives/franklin/chapt8/ My list of virtues contained at first but twelve; but a Quaker friend having kindly informed me that I was generally thought proud; that my pride show'd itself frequently in conversation; that I was not content with being in the right when discussing any point, but was overbearing, and rather insolent, of which he convinc'd me by mentioning several instances; I determined endeavouring to cure myself, if I could, of this vice or folly among the rest, and I added Humility to my list) giving an extensive meaning to the word. I cannot boast of much success in acquiring the reality of this virtue, but I had a good deal with regard to the appearance of it. I made it a rule to forbear all direct contradiction to the sentiments of others, and all positive assertion of my own. I even forbid myself, agreeably to the old laws of our Junto, the use of every word or expression in the language that imported a fix'd opinion, such as certainly, undoubtedly, etc., and I adopted, instead of them, I conceive, I apprehend, or I imagine a thing to be so or so; or it so appears to me at present. When another asserted something that I thought an error, I deny'd myself the pleasure of contradicting him abruptly, and of showing immediately some absurdity in his proposition; and in answering I began by observing that in certain cases or circumstances his opinion would be right, but in the present case there appear'd or seem'd to me some difference, etc. I soon found the advantage of this change in my manner; the conversations I engag'd in went on more pleasantly. The modest way in which I propos'd my opinions procur'd them a readier reception and less contradiction; I had less mortification when I was found to be in the wrong, and I more easily prevail'd with others to give up their mistakes and join with me when I happened to be in the right. Bo Lozoff wrote: Aw, come on guys! Please don't try to turn me into a cardboard stereotypical idiot; I don't appreciate it. Kim, where on earth did I ever say anyone who raises animals for meat is like a slaveholder??? I said I raise animals too, and eat their meat when I need to. And I ALSO said factory farming is evil, and you and your husband do NOT FACTORY FARM! Just leave it alone, okay? You're twisting this all out of its original context and fighting a battle that doesn't exist. Jeez, I'm a farmer, for God's sake. Factory farms are not farms, they are factories. I have never said anything that lumps you and your husband into all of that, so please stop defending yourself. I'm not your enemy. And I repeat, no biodiesel producer is going to be getting millions of gallons of lard or tallow from humane family farms such as yours. You're obscuring the original point of this e-mail dialogue, which was about huge quantities of animal wastes, not a gallon from a goat. And Keith, you remind me a little of one of the talk show hosts -- no one ever comes out better than you on your own listserve. In each of our exchanges you found a way to chide me a little even when we were saying practically the same thing. I'm not interested in wasting my time with banter and petty argument. Punch my name up on Google and you'll see that I'm one of the good guys just like you. Stop trying to make me wrong and we'll get along a lot better. This is my last entry into this beef (excuse the pun). Bo Lozoff -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [2]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [4]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. http://earlyamerica.com/lives/franklin/chapt8/ 2. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Acid catalyst for biodiesel production
I believe the traditional spelling is !reefer!. Get it right or I'm going to have to have a smoke to calm myself down! JD2005 wrote: No, I spealt it wrong I think I meant refer. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Chris That would put a hint reafer in there too if it was mixed right. Boy, the scent of that, with the coke and fries and the reafer, would be enough to send most good folks straight back to their college days. Reafer is what keeps the trailer cold on the truck, right? Chris Kueny Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2]http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [3]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): [4]http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [5]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [7]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel 3. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html 4. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ 5. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 6. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Pickup arrangementsand marketing language [Biofuel] Born Again: Help Portland, Oregon
I think the pickup arrangement should be consistent with the local industry. You are offering them a chance to do well by doing good. You cannot pickup all of the local used cooking oil so it doesn't make sense for you to do it for free. A small price break can often help people Be the change they want to see in the world Ghandi but I wouldn't jump to free right off the bat. They may have a real concern that you'll be out of business in 3 months (of course picking up for free will probably reinforce that possibility). Tell them you'll do it for free for two months or so. Once you've proven to them that you're dependable and they like your service you'll start charging them exactly what they are paying now. If you do it for free you will be working under tighter financial constraints than if you got paid to pickup. Remember you are one service provider to this restaurant that has many and yours is probably the smallest bill they bay every month. You will get about 50 gallons/month from each restaurant. Calculate how many restaurants you'll need to sign up and figure out how much of a difference a small change in fees will make to them and will make to your bottom line. Set your price accordingly. Actually good restaurants filter their oil every night. So having them filter the oil before giving it to you wont change their practices very much. If they aren't filtering now let them know that their food will taste better an the oil will last longer if they start filtering every night. Here's a marketing script we've worked on. Intro: Hi I'm with ... We're a new company picking up used cooking oil and we've created an entirely new oil pickup service that we guarantee you is better than your existing oil service. Our new service converts your oil into a renewable energy product that greatly reduces our demand on foreign oil and is much better for the environment. We are calling to invite you to participate. Q: What do the other guys do with the oil? Mostly low grade animal feed or land fill, traditional rendering operations is in fact the second largest source of air pollution in Hunters Point (California) Q: Who is are you? We are a locally owned and operated regional alternative energy collaborative. By recycling your waste restaurant fryer oil through the production of Biodiesel we provide a viable fuel alternative to the finite and environmentally-destructive petroleum-based fuel energies. Q: How long have you been in business? 3 years. Q. What other restaurants are you working with? (get your referral list in place as soon as possible). The California Culinary Academy, Izzy's Steaks and Chops No's 1 (Marina, S.F.), 2(Corte Madera), 3 (San Carlos), and Habana (Van Ness, S.F.), (Sam Duval). Che Pa Pa and Chez Ma Ma in Portero Hill, Le Suite on Embarcadero and Ola's run by Ola Fendert Bills Place and Ernesto's in the Richmond. Q: Well if you're selling your product you should take mine for free. Your existing hauler is also using your product to make a sellable product. BD currently sells for about $1 more than of petroleum diesel prices due to the manufacturing and overhead costs. In order to make biodiesel we have to do quite a bit more to the oil than the renders do. Theo Chadzichristos wrote: Hey scott, Hey scott, I feel your pain ive been on the path of starting up myself. With regar ds to getting reaction vessels id stick to the metal ones. I myself just bought a welder and am fortunate enough to have a small supply of 55gal barrels and lots of good plastic containers to get started. I haven't found any metal reactors that are anywhere near cheap. I was sick and tired of just thinking how much I would have to spend on one though a company so I figured I could make one myself. The welder is the most expensive item if your gonna DIY but if u want to do things on a larger scale it will probably save u money in the long run. I have the ability to make some extra reactors then I need, and I was thinking of putting them on ebay or something but wasn't sure anyone would want one. I might do that if there is enough interest. With regards to the methanol I think you will find varying cooperation form each company. I found some that didn't want to waste there time with me but others were very eager for my business. It would probably help if you could get under some kind of a small business/company name then companies take you more serious. Lab equipment suppliers might know someone who would sell in smaller quantities but if not just keep looking. Best of Luck, Theo C Well, if anyone can help get me going, I'm all ears ... meanwhile, I'm still looking for good components for a system that will produce 4K gal per year: personal plus one other family. Here's what I've found: Supplier of relatively
