[biofuel] Fair price for methanol
So I ran across a guy that has a half-full drum of methanol in his barn. The drum belongs to a buddy of his who says he'll sell it, make an offer. What is a fair price for the drum and 20-30gal of methanol? I'm thinking around the $40-$50 range. BTW, I live in Wisconsin. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bio-motor oil?
Is it possible to make motor oil out of WVO? I read in another thread about using biodiesel in gas engines as a fuel additive, anyone know anything about maybe using it as an oil additive? Good idea, bad idea? - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO in my Hummer
Not sure about the coolant line heaters. I'm sure your plastic tank will be safe up to, at least, 200 Deg, F. as for links to kits I found these on veggieavenger.com http://www.greasecar.com/ http://www.greasel.com/ http://www.elsbett.de/ http://www.biofuels.ca/ Good luck and have fun, Steven Boston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm new to the Bio-fuel scene. I am planning on buying a heater kit for my 1996 6.5l TD Hummer Wagon. I've been very intrigued in the WVO usage and would love to do my part in helping the environment. I've seen a couple heater kits, and I like the On demand inline heater with the easily accessible filter. I live in Phx Arizona, and right now it's a good 110 degrees during my afternoon drive home from work. So I tried some SVO in my second tank to see how everything would re-act, and it did great. No problems at all. I'm now ready to buy a full system, and convert my 17gallon rear tank to WVO. Couple questions... 1.Are the Coolant line heaters hard to install? It seems like it would be difficult to run the lines. Maybe someone close would be willing to come over and help me out with the installation? I'll of course take you for a ride. 2. The tank I have right now is hard plastic, Should I worry about it getting too hot with the 170 degree WVO when it gets heated? Or should it be alright? Maybe some websites with some nice kits for sale? Or someone whom has input on certain Kits. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -Boston Bryce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Home for the Processor
Luc, Happy to hear you found a home for your processor. I am currently looking for a new home for myself before I begin construction, however I have recently accuired two electric water heaters. Not quite sure of the volumes of either just yet as they have just been shoved into storage until the moment I wake up the day after my move, I think they are 20-30 gallons and 40-50 gallons. I am still looking for ideas for how I want to wash my fuel though. Do you by chance have a link for the standpipe wash tank you spoke of? I'd love to take a look at it. I am also building my processor after girl-mark's design. Thanks, Steven biobenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having had the bright idea of building a Fumeless Processor on G- Mark's design along with the Sean Park's Standpipe wash tank I was in need of a compact way to house it all as I live in an urban setting (an apartment) So I figured I would build a cabinet which could accomodate the two side by side with storage space under for 22 liter pails, and the plan came together fairly well. The cabinet is built, mostly painted, butthen the torpedo came in the form of the landlord who insisted he did not want any closed cabinets in the heated garage, even if it DID sit next to the Benz that I am paying rent for. A home was needed, so I approached the organic farmer we deal with on the weekend and it looks like the cabinet and it's contents now have a home where there is electricity to power the unit and water to wash with. This may force my hand of sorts to use potassium hydroxide instead of the easier-to-use sodium hydroxide as then he could use the by- product as a crop fertilizer once the methanol is recovered (if I understand it right), so there's something for everyone and everyone ends up happy with the deal the way it SHOULD be, Ha! At first though I will use the NaOH until I get a good grip, then move on to the KOH once the confidence is well established. Anyway, where there is a will there is a way, and it is often in colaboration with others that the best results take place. (it also helps to keep one's ego in check) :) Luc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Benz question...sorry,not biofuel related
I have an '83 Benz 300D. Five cylinder IDI. IT WON'T SHUT OFF!!! Help me please, I have been reading the wiring diagram in my Haynes manual but I can't find whatever it is that shut off the fuel supply. I figure I have a solinoid or relay that's stuck in the on position but I can't find anything. Sorry to post on this board but I know there are a few Benz guys in here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steven - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
How about just running the condenser coil through a cooler, or any container for that matter, of ice water. A small 6QT cooler available at any home/department store for $5 would work great. We use the exact same system to chill a hard cider tap at the bar I work at. Never runs warm. Good luck, Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how cool it has to get in the condenser but a counterflow chiller might work. It's a copper pipe in a coil surrounded by a garden hose. You run the water through the hose the opposite direction of the flow inside the copper coil. It would use a lot of water though. You can buy the fittings at a home-brew shop or here: www.northernbrewer.com -Donnie On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:18:11 +0100, î Riain, Michael wrote: Kevin , I can't offer you very much help on this one - I've been on the lookout for the same plans myself recently but have not come across very much specifically on condensers . I gather from what I've read that most people channel the methanol vapours through a coil which sits in a bath of cold water. I've also read references to air cooling the coil with a fan but the water cooling seems to be favoured as more efficient. The water in the bath will need to be cooled. i guess if you had a large holding tank circulating water through the cooling bath, the hotter water returning to the large tank would release its heat to the surrounding environment . Apologies - this may be one of those things that is easier done than said. The guy with the Touchless Processor - http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html uses a coaxial pipe system - a small pipe sitting inside a larger one - the vapours run through the small pipe and a jacket of cold water circulates through the larger one. he reckons this system, though simple, is very effective. Please let me know if you find anything useful. m -Original Message- From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 June 2004 06:38 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans Journey's website has lot's of info, but have not found any detailed plans to construct a condenser to recover methanol. (unless I missed it?) Can anyone point me in the directions to construct a condenser to process 5-20 gal of biodiesel waste (Glycerin, Methanol,etc) and convert to usable methanol again? Pictures appreciated Thank you, Kevin Shea [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ** Th contents of this e-mail (including attachments)are private and confidential and may also be subject to legal privilege. It is intended only for the use of the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or deliver this e-mail or any attachments to anyone else or make any use of its contents; you should not read any part of this e-mail or any attachments. Unauthorised disclosure or communication or other use of the contents of this e-mail or any part thereof may be prohibited by law and may constitute a criminal offence. If you receive this e-mail by mistake please notify the system manager @ +353-1-647-2417. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of known computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
Re: [biofuel] PVC
Jorge, I am only in the building process myself so I may not be your best resource. This is the design I will be using to build my processors. http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=332 Here is another example of a 5 Gal. processor http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html#methcondens This is another similar processor to the fumeless model I will be building http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html This is, I believe, a scematic for the processor at the previous link http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html Basiscally you need at least one pump (item number 01479-1RAH @ www.harborfreight.com) and a pot or tank capable of holding the oil to be processed, a source of heat, and a method of mixing. You will also need a container for mixing the Methanol and Lye. I'm sure you have read most of the information available on Journeyto forever.com. Another good site is www.weggieavenger.com . That's about all I can offer, aside from the best of luck. Have fun and be careful. Steven Vip Video Club [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI STEVEN I'M TRIYING TO BUILD MY PROCESSOR AND I NEED SOME IDEASCAN YOU HELP ME. IF YOU HAVE PICTURES I WOULD APRECCIATE YOUR COLABORATION. THANKS. JORGE ESCOBAR - Original Message - From: Steven Pfaff To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] PVC Well Keith, the stuff I'm speaking of is actually white here in the states but it is commonly used for water. More commonly for drainage. So let's hope were thinking of the same thing, It's signifigantly cheaper than steal plumbing. I'm finally getting my first diesel car tomorrow and, I will be making my first test batch before the end of the week. I'm building my processor from Girl Mark's design (it's so darned nice) very soon, you'd be suprised how quickly gave me a used water heater when I told him what I was using it for. Wish me luck, I should be running b100 before the end of the month. Thank you kindly, Steven P.S. I have referred nearly 100 skeptics to the Journey to Forever website. If only half of those check it out and realize how awesome this is I can only imagine what the people on the Journey to Forever have and will accomplish. Best wishes. Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can PVC pipe be used in processing biodiesel, more specifically in Girl Mark's fumeless processor? Hi Steven That's the waterpipes, right? Grey stuff. I use it with biodiesel, for instance as standpipes in the processor and settling tank, where it's exposed to the biodiesel, by-product, excess methanol, no problems. If you're going to do joints and right-angles and so on I don't know how the glue would take it. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
Hello Gents, Am I to understand that the methanol can be recovered from the entire Biodiesel/Glycerin mix before decanting/separating? In doing this, do any separation problems occur? I don't plan to break down the glycerin into it's elements, rather I plan to use it as a degreaser/hand cleaner. Thanks, Steven Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Kevin, Michael Kevin , I can't offer you very much help on this one - I've been on the lookout for the same plans myself recently but have not come across very much specifically on condensers . I gather from what I've read that most people channel the methanol vapours through a coil which sits in a bath of cold water. I've also read references to air cooling the coil with a fan but the water cooling seems to be favoured as more efficient. The water in the bath will need to be cooled. i guess if you had a large holding tank circulating water through the cooling bath, the hotter water returning to the large tank would release its heat to the surrounding environment . Apologies - this may be one of those things that is easier done than said. The guy with the Touchless Processor - http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html uses a coaxial pipe system - a small pipe sitting inside a larger one - the vapours run through the small pipe and a jacket of cold water circulates through the larger one. he reckons this system, though simple, is very effective. Dale uses vacuum as well. See recent Vacuum Pump for Condenser thread: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34041/1 Also, Dale's recovering the methanol from the complete catastrophe, not just the glycerine cocktail. There are advantages and disadvantages to that. Advantage would be that you get more back (which otherwise ends up in the first wash), disadvantages that you can't separate the by-product cocktail into it's components with the excess methanol removed, should you want to do that, and that it might leave a solidified by-product in the bottom of the tank once the meth's gone, especially if you use NaOH rather than KOH. Actually there is information on condensers at Journey to Forever, it's here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html#methcondens Simple 5-gallon processor I responded to a question about this recently, perhaps worth a read: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/34289/ Hope this helps. Best Keith Please let me know if you find anything useful. m -Original Message- From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 June 2004 06:38 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans Journey's website has lot's of info, but have not found any detailed plans to construct a condenser to recover methanol. (unless I missed it?) Can anyone point me in the directions to construct a condenser to process 5-20 gal of biodiesel waste (Glycerin, Methanol,etc) and convert to usable methanol again? Pictures appreciated Thank you, Kevin Shea Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PVC
Well Keith, the stuff I'm speaking of is actually white here in the states but it is commonly used for water. More commonly for drainage. So let's hope were thinking of the same thing, It's signifigantly cheaper than steal plumbing. I'm finally getting my first diesel car tomorrow and, I will be making my first test batch before the end of the week. I'm building my processor from Girl Mark's design (it's so darned nice) very soon, you'd be suprised how quickly gave me a used water heater when I told him what I was using it for. Wish me luck, I should be running b100 before the end of the month. Thank you kindly, Steven P.S. I have referred nearly 100 skeptics to the Journey to Forever website. If only half of those check it out and realize how awesome this is I can only imagine what the people on the Journey to Forever have and will accomplish. Best wishes. Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can PVC pipe be used in processing biodiesel, more specifically in Girl Mark's fumeless processor? Hi Steven That's the waterpipes, right? Grey stuff. I use it with biodiesel, for instance as standpipes in the processor and settling tank, where it's exposed to the biodiesel, by-product, excess methanol, no problems. If you're going to do joints and right-angles and so on I don't know how the glue would take it. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Early 80's Mercedes-Benz turbo diesel fuel tank problem (Flak ing and clogging)
Thanks for the info Steve. That's exactly what I was hoping to hear. I'd be down for recoating a fuel tank. Much appreciated, Steven Steve Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 8 years ago I had the gas tank for my Vespa re-coated. It was done by guy who used to do Vespa repair out of his garage, so I have no idea what material was used. It was around $60 for a 2.2 gallon tank as I recall. Re-coating may be a cheaper option to replacing the tank. A quick google search yielded several tank-coating products. Maybe seek out a pro who has experience re-coating fuel tanks. Though according to these guys: http://www.prp-porshop.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=TSCate gory_Code=TankSealers you could very well do it yourself. Just a potential solution to a potential problem. Speaking of fuel tank issues, does anyone else have a mid- 80's Ford F- series? I have a peculiar problem on mine. The fuel filler hose has to pass over the frame to get to the fuel tanks. To do this the filler hose runs essentially horizontal, so the fuel wants to flow back out and all over the ground. My work around is to park the truck with the rear wheel up on a 5 block, this tilts the filler hoses down hill. It works, but I just want to know who to blame for this problem, Lame FORD engineers, or the sheisty ~1500 lb. Camper unit that has been sitting on the bed for 2 decades. Steve Murphy Mapping Technician Truckee Donner PUD (530) 582-3943 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Early 80's Mercedes-Benz turbo diesel fuel tank problem (Flaking and clogging)
Not planning on using a two tank system, at least not right away. I will wait and see if I'm able to produce enough biodiesel to run b100 and if so how the b100 runs through a Wisconsin winter. Thanks for the lead though, I was worried I would be spending a lot more if I had to recoat either of those tanks. Steven Richard U [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought an '83 300TD, everything seems alright with the fuel system, so I'm no help there...but, I am in the process of restoring a '68 Ford Ranchero GT that had sat for seven years with half a tank of gas. What was left was a horrible, stinking, gooey tar mess. After extensive research, I came up with a cleaning and coating system from Eastwood for about $50, and I am VERY happy with the results...a diesel tank should be easy. Beware though, once you get that Eastwood catalog, you WILL be sending them all your money for their goodies. Are you going to run a two tank system? I have just started a list for Mercedes bio users, so as not to clog up this list with car talk...but if we have anything interesting I'll rush back here and share it with you here at 'biofuels' The new group is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Mercedes on Biofuels everybody welcome...but beware, we are going to talk some crap, it will be wide open...wild and crazy...till it gets out of hand and I'll have to put the 'clamps' on. Richard U -Original Message- From: Steven Pfaff I read a post a few days ago about a problem with the fuel tanks on the early 80's Benz diesels, and I have some questions regarding this issue. I am looking at buying two of four Mercedes-Benz 300D's years 1979-1983 (the '79 is a coupe and the others are sedans). I suspect three of the four have been sitting a year or more. I remember reading that something inside the fuel tank was flaking off and clogging the fuel system. Is this the actual inside of the tank or buildup of some sort? Is it uncertain what this material is? Is it absolutely necessary to replace the fuel tank in this instance? How long did your vehicle run before the problem arose? Was the clog (obstruction) in the fuel line/hose, or in the filter? I also remember reading that the fuel tanks were of some difficulty to obtain, but possibly only for certain models ie; wagons. How much did you pay for the tank? Where did you get it? Did you do the repairs yourself or did you go to a mechanic? - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: looking for a biodiesel 4x4 station wagon
IDEAL would be a V10 TDI Volkswagen Tourag. 310hp 533ft/lbs. tourque(enough to pull a very large anything). Only 25MPG though. With that much power and making my own fuel I could live with 25MPG. Adam Monsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:If you can, I haven't been able to find one! That /would/ be my ideal vehicle, though. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Steven Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't you get the 4motion on a TDI Volkswagen Jetta wagon? Adam Monsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Anyone know a manufacturer that produces diesel 4x4 station wagons? I can't find one anywhere. Or how about a 4x4 diesel coupe? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Followup 82 mercedes 300td HELP! (DOUBLE THANKS)
Thanks for that bit of info. I am planning to buy two Mercedes 300D's. Specifically, a '79 300CD and an '81 300SD. I'll keep that in mind and most definetly use it as a bargaining tool. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:List members, I wanted to take a minute of your time to thank the list collectively for the kind offers of assistance which numbered over a dozen. Most all of the advice was very useful. With that being said, I have learned something valuable that I feel the need to pass on to those current and future list members who may be buying 80's model mercedes cars. The car I bought has a problem where the inside of fuel tank is flaking off small metal fragments. A local owned, private Mercedes shop [mechanic named Dietmar- go figure!] said this condition occurs when an older benz has been sitting up for a year plus. Dietmar highly suggested the replacement of the old tank. 300TD models have a special fuel tank that can only be bought through a mercedes dealership. $550 ea! no aftermarket fuel tanks for the wagons! Dietmar said the 300D's are easy to get new fuel tanks for however. My suggestion for future benz buyers is this, buy the old cars, but only if they have been driven daily and you are 100% sure that the car has not been sitting for months on end. --- the car also had a serious mold problem in the same fuel tank/ system. Thanks, Michael - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] looking for a biodiesel 4x4 station wagon
Can't you get the 4motion on a TDI Volkswagen Jetta wagon? Adam Monsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Anyone know a manufacturer that produces diesel 4x4 station wagons? I can't find one anywhere. Or how about a 4x4 diesel coupe? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] HEET
I saw in another post that HEET gas line antifreeze is pure enough methanol to produce biodiesel. I am planning to run my first test batch very soon but I'm having trouble finding methanol. Does anybody know if HEET is pure enough to use? Steven Pfaff - Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] HEET
Thanks Keith, I looked for the MSDS sheet but couldn't find it except to order a copy off the Gold Eagle website. One more question about the Methanol. In the recovery process explained on the Journey to Forever website (condensing the methanol out of the glycerin) approximately how much methanol can be recovered? - Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: New producer in search of Methanol
I'm a student at UW-Parkside in Kenosha WI. I'm actually in the southeast corner of the state. We have a dragstrip not to far, Great Lakes Dragaway. I might try there if I don't find anything in the Menards paint dept. Thanks for the info guys, it's been a big help. I've just recently learned of biodiesel and can't wait to start using it. I'm sure I'll be picking your brains as I develop my technique. Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bazell Race Fuels in Ohio has various distributors throughout the midwest. They have a website, and are pretty helpful. The local dealer here in Indiana hasn't been too darn helpful, but the people in Ohio seem to be. Whereabouts in Southease WI would you be located? I spent a few years in Pewaukee and Tosa. Hope to get back someday, but currently stuck in Indiana due to job situation. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, stevenpfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to start producing biodiesel for myself but I'm having a bit of trouble finding Methanol. Could anyone advise where I might look in or around the Southeast Wisconsin area? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] OT: anybody have a 1.6 VW diesel head or motor for sale?
A few months back I saw a diesel rabbit come into a salvage yard that I frequent. I have no idea the size or condition of the engine but I personally turned it over. I have no idea if the car is still in the yard but the place is called Sturtevant Auto Salvage - Sturtevant WI. The phone number is 262-835-2914. It's a long shot but at least a shot. Ed Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Good luck you guys, I've gone through this few times with my Wabbit. The heads are real hard to find. The dealers know it and are charging big time. Rebuilt heads are $400-700.00. Be very cautious about he quality of a rebuilt head, don't take it for granted that it was done correctly. I asked around on a number of VW sights, nothing really came of it. Used heads are a roll of the dice at best, about $150. Depending on the condition, it may be another $200 the rebuild. Have a reputable diesel shop measure and pressure test before you buy, runs about $30. Most shops will tell you they can do the work but, they're really not set up for it, try to find a shop that does only diesel work, trucks, forklifts... They'll have all the right tools, gigs, manuals/specs and will have seen many VW heads already. They'll disassemble and clean the head. They'll measure for the amount of warppage and previous machining. They'll pressure test for leakage. If the crack is between the valves, the head may still be usable/serviceable, If the crack comes out of the prechamber it's done for. I drove with a cracked head for over a year. It was supposed to be temperary fix but, these darn heads are hard to find! I found the last head by pure chance. Most of the VW Parts shops are dealing in the 1.9L. I did hear of a Co. that was casting/machining new heads for about $700.00. I have no idea about how well they're working. Does anyone know? If you find any working/rebuildable heads please let me know. Good luck and thanks, Ed From: girl mark Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] OT: anybody have a 1.6 VW diesel head or motor for sale? Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 21:15:25 -0700 offtopic: Does anyone on these lists in the US have for sale: any of the following Volkswagen diesel engines or engine parts from the Rabbit/Jetta/Golf family: 1. functioning (or at least not cracked) 1.6L, non-turbo cylinder head (12 mm bolts), 2. or a 1.6 turbodiesel motor in any condition 3. or a 1.9 (nonTDI) turbo motor/trans for sale, 4. or a crashed, cheap, parts VW with functioning engine from post-1981-ish that is located within a day's hauling distance from San Francisco?? I'm working on my biodiesel site's landlord's truck (s brother';s cousin's girlfriend's boss's cousin's) and we're a little stumped on how to proceed with it, affordably, especially since we don't have a good core to use if we're buying a rebuilt head. He cracked the head on a nice engine in a truck he was planning on eventually doing a major restoration job to, and he was additionally planning on someday putting a turbo engine into this old little vehicle. It's a tough call on where to proceed with it with the premature demise of the current engine, and he is now considering an engine swap to a turbo or 1.9 canadian turbo engine if we can find one quickish. Cheap turbo engines needing a rebuild= work for me. also, does anyone in the SF Bay Area have VW injection pump timing tools that I could rent from you (or buy from you) for the job? Mark _ Motherâs Day is May 9. Make it special with great ideas from the Motherâs Day Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04mothersday.armx Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links - Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL
