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Re: [Biofuel] Sharing Biodiesel

2006-07-26 Thread Thor Burfine




All I can say is talk to the HHO supplier, and Grand 
Idea
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas 
KellySent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:45 AMTo: 
biofuelSubject: [Biofuel] Sharing Biodiesel

Hello All,
 I live in the northeastern 
part of the US. Winters are cold. Diesel cars are rare, oil heat is common. I 
would appreciate comments on the following plan:
 An individual has the 
desire to share some of his/her homebrewed BD with a person/family in need of 
it. This person offers 100 gal of high quality BD to the local home heating 
oil supplier to blend with their stock of HHO in September; another 100 gal in 
December. The HHO supplier gives 100 gal of free heating oil to a specified 
family and another 100 gal to a needy family of their choice. The only 
stipulations being: 
1. Complete anonymity for the provider of the 
BD.
2. Complete confidentiality regarding the 
person(s)/families 
    receiving the free 
fuel.
 
 Why involve heating oil 
supplier?
1. They know who is both in need and also uses 
heating oil.
They are also familiar with the heating system and 
its maintenance. 
2. Blending 200 gal of BD into the hundreds of 
thousands of gallons of HHO would result in a blend that is incredibly 
small  .  essentially insignificant. vs. pouring 50 - 100 gallons 
into a family's 275 gal tank. I heat my house w. BD. At higher blends its 
cleansing effect clogs filters. There may be minor burner adjustments needed as 
well.
3. They routinely deliver oil and are good at it. 
vs. somebody in a pick-up truck with 10 - 20 cubies full of 
BD.
 
Questions:
1. Would a HHO supplier have to disclose that they 
are adding BD to their fuel, even if it results in a blend well below 1%? There 
are additives in fuels, including methanol in HHO during winter months 
that customers are not informed about. 
2. If they did feel the need to notify customers, 
does the BD have to be sent out for quality testing?
 
Any other thought/considerations are 
appreciated. 
 
Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Production Trailer

2006-08-07 Thread Thor Burfine


		
Watch your DOT regs.Any fuel container that has a total weight of 600 pounds or more including the storage vessel is required to have plackards and you have to have a hazmat on your license to move it unless it is hooked into your primary fuel system.In other words, Diesel at 7.0 to 7.3 lb/US gallon in a 100 gallon fuel transfer tank (700 to 730 pounds) in the bed of a pickup is required to have the plackards and a hazmat endorsement, same goes for your idea of a trailer.Other than that the City might have a problem with the storage of hazardous materials.Make a few phone calls to the city.Also your friends Insurance on the property could be dropped or at least his rates will go through the roof.Good luck
		

From: "Will Kelleher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:02 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Production Trailer
		
		Hello everyone,I'm starting college this August at the University of Illinois.  I've been playing around with biodiesel for the past year and now I'm trying to set up a 200 gallon batch reactor.  The only problem is, I have nowhere to do it.  I've been collecting parts for a couple of months.  I already have a great reaction tank and a bunch of 55 gallon drums to use for washing.  I have recently started thinking about putting everything on a trailer and just taking it to school with me.  I know somebody who has a large parking lot near campus and is willing to let me use a few spaces.  Does anyone have any ideas? Will
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Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh

2006-08-10 Thread Thor Burfine


		Well lets see12,000 miles a year @ 42 mpg thats 285 gallons but wait blend it and you have B20 185 *.2 = 57 gallons only half was used on the road 57 / 2 = 28.5 @ 22.5 cents a gallon = $6.41Send it to them in pennies, good gooey pennies like the ones you get from a kid eating ice creamBetter yet, tell them you paid the tax when you bought the oil from WalMartThey are the ones collecting the Tax on the veggie oil you bought and therfor its dual taxation if you have to pay tax for using itOh wait, this is Arkansas the home of Wallyworld, that will be fun.
		

From: Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
		
		
		Hey Bob,
		 
		I think your situation reinforces the idea that fuel/energy dependence isn't an OPEC thing and that the problem is home grown. If corporations and local governments didn't work together to limit the number of sources, you couldn't effectively tax it. I'm not against taxes, just how I'm taxed and what it's spent on (i.e. 750,000,000,000 on "defense").
		 
		If my local government tried something like that with me, I'd seriously consider producer gas as a fuel. Let them try and noodle out a method of measuring and taxing CO and H2 by the cubic foot. The perfect fuel for a bureaucracy. The longer one waits to measure it, the less fuel their is to measure.
		 
		:-)
		 
		- Redler
		 
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		bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:
		the tax applies to any fuel produced and used on-road. I don't have the letter here in front of me, but as I recall it wanted to know how much I produced total and how much was used as on-road motor fuel. The tax is retroactive for 2005.DHAJOGLO wrote:> Does the tax apply even if you are producing it as an "additive?"> > -dave> > > On Monday, August 07, 2006 4:13 PM, bob allen wrote:>> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0500>> From: bob allen>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> Subject: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5>> cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that>> appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project.>> (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I>> don't mind. Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. -->> Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob>> 
		

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Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh

2006-08-11 Thread Thor Burfine


		Well Scott, Here in Texas we can actually apply for rebates for non road use fuel.I spent two hours last quarter doing the paperwork, including reviewing all receipts, and was entitled to a wopping $93.27.It was worth my time but not the migrane
		

From: "Scott Burton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:24 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
		
		
		

		
An interesting tidbit of information on this.  If the U.S. Government is spending 750 billion on defense, they are spending on defense roughly every U.S. Dollar in circulation worldwide.
		


		


		 

		
In April of 2000 the Treasury estimated the total U.S. Currency in circulation worldwide was 600 billion.  Yet our government manages to spend more than that every year.
		


		


		 

		
Isn't it nice to not be bound by laws and be able to call a budget balanced simply because you make your budgeted amount match your actual expenditures?  (Note this doesn't mean balancing expenditures with receipts in government, just making sure you only are spending what you say you're going to spend.  That's a "Balanced Budget" )
		


		


		 

		
That's just my quick comment.
		


		


		 

		
Back to the tax requirements, I'm not sure about other states, but in Oklahoma the tax is required on fuels to be used as on-road motor fuel.
		


		


		 

		
Two things stand out to me about this.
		


		


		 

		
"On road motor fuel" a fuel used by a motor on the road.
		


		


		 

		
Shouldn't I be entitled to a refund of these taxes for the portions which are used OFF ROAD?  While this doesn't sound like much at first let's just consider.
		


		
My car is running in a parking lot - That is NOT on road.
		


		
My car is running in my driveway - Again that's NOT on road.
		


		
I have to use a diesel generator during a power outage - NOT on road.
		


		
I have to move building supplies, fencing supplies, etc on my property - NOT on road.
		


		
Tractor used to harvest my crops - NOT on road.
		


		


		 

		
I could go on, but honestly I guess I should be sending the state a bill every month or so for a tax rebate.  Only a couple bucks tops, but you know if I owed them, they'd be all over me.
		


		


		 

		
Kind of makes one think.
		


		


		 

		
--Scott Burton
		


		


		 

		

		

		

		
		

		
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		Hey Bob,

		


		

		
		
 


		

		I think your situation reinforces the idea that fuel/energy dependence isn't an OPEC thing and that the problem is home grown. If corporations and local governments didn't work together to limit the number of sources, you couldn't effectively tax it. I'm not against taxes, just how I'm taxed and what it's spent on (i.e. 750,000,000,000 on "defense").

		


		

		
		
 


		

		If my local government tried something like that with me, I'd seriously consider producer gas as a fuel. Let them try and noodle out a method of measuring and taxing CO and H2 by the cubic foot. The perfect fuel for a bureaucracy. The longer one waits to measure it, the less fuel their is to measure.

		


		

		
		
 


		

		:-)

		


		

		
		
 


		

		- Redler

		


		

		
		
 


		

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Re: [Biofuel] $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds!

2006-08-16 Thread Thor Burfine


		You know I had a friend who had one of these things. We called it a sand rail.his had a 351 mutant in it.Never did a 0-60 test, but I do remember it sure was fun to drop the clutch in second gear and flip it backwards.
		

From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:27 AMTo: Undisclosed-Recipient:;Subject: [Biofuel] $50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds!
		
		
		

		
		
A real big boy toy. It has a bonnet too. I wonder what the mpg number is? Peace, D. Mindock
		

		
		

 
		
 From: www.mercola.com
		
		$50K Car That Does 0-60 in 2 Seconds!
		 
		

		If you're as interested as I am in the science of making cool cars, you'll enjoy watching this awesome video demonstration of the Ariel Atom 2,

		
		URL: http://www.arielatom.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=127&Itemid=7
		 a two-seater that looks and runs like a race car, yet is made for consumer use. 
		Minimal bodywork, coupled with a supercharged Honda Civic type R engine, allow drivers to accelerate from 0-60 mph in two seconds, and that depends on your ability to shift gears fast enough!
		If you can't imagine how fast this car really goes, look at the face of the gentleman test-driving the Ariel Atom 2 (in the accompanying photo to the right), set to debut in America this year. Without a windshield, you can see what G forces and the wind do to the driver's face as he accelerates down a closed racetrack.
		Because of its superior ability to make turns, the Ariel Atom 2 more than holds its own in a race with a Honda CVR 600 motorcycle.
		
		
		

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Re: [Biofuel] Waste Veg oil Supplier in Northern Johannesburg

2006-09-06 Thread Thor Burfine

Start with the local government or a lawyer and check with them on the
letter 


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Hi All
 
Myself and a mate are in the process of putting up a homebrew reactor based
on the journeytoforever plans and photographs. We have been doing test
batches and would like to move onto making 60 litre batches for personal
consumption.
 
Can anyone recommend, or perhaps share a waste veg oil supplier in northern
Johannesburg?
It seems the going rate for used oil is about R1.50 per litre.
 
One of the restaurants we approached wanted some kind of official document
stating that we did not intend re-selling the oil for human consumption.
Does anyone know how to go about getting such a document?
 
You are welcome to contact me off-list

Thanks in advance
 
Vaughn
 

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Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease

2006-09-08 Thread Thor Burfine


		5 will get you 10 it was the grease hauler who snatched it.they see it as a loss of income
		

From: Jonathan Schearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:53 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease
		
		Well, it finally happened to me.  I had a 30 gallon steel drum full of waste grease behind the local pizzeria taken on me the other day.  I live in a small town where things like this don't happen-or do they?  I originally had the owner's permission to keep it there-right next to the large commercial grease dumpster.  The agreement he made with me was that he would keep filling the 30 gallon drum until it was full and the rest he would put into the commercial dumpster if I could not get it processed fast enough.  He asked me if I could provide a metal container because he preferred to pour his grease hot out of the fryer into the container and the plastic jugs would not work.  I did and it was working out nicely.  If anyone asked about it, he would tell them that it was his and for his use, since it was on his property.  I was driving to work yesterday and noticed it was not there.  That night, I went in and asked him if he knew where it was.  He said that he thought that I had taken it and didn't think anything of it.  He told me that the commercial grease hauler is bringing him a new bulk container with locks on it because they are experiencing more and more grease theft.  The owner does not particulary like to pay for grease disposal, but does not have many options since he wants to do the right thing when it comes to disposal.  I stated that I most likely would not put another metal drum behind his eatery because this would happen again.  He agreed.  Even though it is more work for him, the owner told me he would pour off the grease once cooled back into the 5 gal. polys that it comes in for me.  This will work out better for me anyways.  I just don't understand why people think they can take something that does not belong to them without asking first.  Most people get upset when you take something without asking, but if you ask first, many times they will give it to you.  Thanks to the members here for listening to me vent some frustration.  Jonathan.  
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Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease

2006-09-08 Thread Thor Burfine


		
has anybody thought of welding little chains to thier drums, say about 4ft long and locking them to the fence?hasp and padlock on the lid?    better yet, drill hole through the bolt on the lid ring and pad lock the ring
		

From: Jonathan Schearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:53 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease
		
		Well, it finally happened to me.  I had a 30 gallon steel drum full of waste grease behind the local pizzeria taken on me the other day.  I live in a small town where things like this don't happen-or do they?  I originally had the owner's permission to keep it there-right next to the large commercial grease dumpster.  The agreement he made with me was that he would keep filling the 30 gallon drum until it was full and the rest he would put into the commercial dumpster if I could not get it processed fast enough.  He asked me if I could provide a metal container because he preferred to pour his grease hot out of the fryer into the container and the plastic jugs would not work.  I did and it was working out nicely.  If anyone asked about it, he would tell them that it was his and for his use, since it was on his property.  I was driving to work yesterday and noticed it was not there.  That night, I went in and asked him if he knew where it was.  He said that he thought that I had taken it and didn't think anything of it.  He told me that the commercial grease hauler is bringing him a new bulk container with locks on it because they are experiencing more and more grease theft.  The owner does not particulary like to pay for grease disposal, but does not have many options since he wants to do the right thing when it comes to disposal.  I stated that I most likely would not put another metal drum behind his eatery because this would happen again.  He agreed.  Even though it is more work for him, the owner told me he would pour off the grease once cooled back into the 5 gal. polys that it comes in for me.  This will work out better for me anyways.  I just don't understand why people think they can take something that does not belong to them without asking first.  Most people get upset when you take something without asking, but if you ask first, many times they will give it to you.  Thanks to the members here for listening to me vent some frustration.  Jonathan.  
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[Biofuel] Finding Oil

2006-09-08 Thread Thor Burfine


		Just out of stupid curiosity...Is anybody else out there finding it hard to obtain new oil sources?

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Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease

2006-09-08 Thread Thor Burfine


		truea lock keeps an honest person honesta 12 guage keeps a thief awayI would report the theft to the police
		

From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:43 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease
		
		5 seconds and a bolt cutter... no matchThor Burfine wrote:> > has anybody thought of welding little chains to thier drums, say about > 4ft long and locking them to the fence?> > hasp and padlock on the lid?> better yet, drill hole through the bolt on the lid ring and pad lock > the ring> > > > > *From*: Jonathan Schearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> *Sent*: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:53 AM> *To*: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease> > Well, it finally happened to me. I had a 30 gallon steel drum full of > waste grease behind the local pizzeria taken on me the other day. I > live in a small town where things like this don't happen-or do they? I > originally had the owner's permission to keep it there-right next to the > large commercial grease dumpster. The agreement he made with me was > that he would keep filling the 30 gallon drum until it was full and the > rest he would put into the commercial dumpster if I could not get it > processed fast enough. He asked me if I could provide a metal container > because he preferred to pour his grease hot out of the fryer into the > container and the plastic jugs would not work. I did and it was working > out nicely. If anyone asked about it, he would tell them that it was > his and for his use, since it was on his property. I was driving to > work yesterday and noticed it was not there. That night, I went in and > asked him if he knew where it was. He said that he thought that I had > taken it and didn't think anything of it. He told me that > the commercial grease hauler is bringing him a new bulk container with > locks on it because they are experiencing more and more grease > theft. The owner does not particulary like to pay for grease disposal, > but does not have many options since he wants to do the right thing when > it comes to disposal. I stated that I most likely would not put another > metal drum behind his eatery because this would happen again. He > agreed. Even though it is more work for him, the owner told me he would > pour off the grease once cooled back into the 5 gal. polys that it comes > in for me. This will work out better for me anyways. I just don't > understand why people think they can take something that does not belong > to them without asking first. Most people get upset when you take > something without asking, but if you ask first, many times they will > give it to you. Thanks to the members here for listening to me vent > some frustration. Jonathan. > > > All-new Yahoo! Mail > - > Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.> > > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> -- --Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercisesin moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease

2006-09-08 Thread Thor Burfine


		A friend just laughedhe said put 3 bags of concrete in the bottomthat adds an additional 240 lbs to the drum 
		

From: John Beale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:31 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease
		
		I second that LoJack idea.-JohnOn Sep 8, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Randall wrote:> *Clearly* label the drum and install a Lojack. :-)>>> - Original Message -> From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 2:42 PM> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease>>>> 5 seconds and a bolt cutter... no match>>>> Thor Burfine wrote:>>>>>> has anybody thought of welding little chains to thier drums, say >>> about>>> 4ft long and locking them to the fence?>>>>>> hasp and padlock on the lid?>>> better yet, drill hole through the bolt on the lid ring and pad >>> lock>>> the ring>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>> --->>> *From*: Jonathan Schearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>> *Sent*: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:53 AM>>> *To*: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>> *Subject*: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease>>>>>> Well, it finally happened to me. I had a 30 gallon steel drum full >>> of>>> waste grease behind the local pizzeria taken on me the other day. I>>> live in a small town where things like this don't happen-or do they? >>> I>>> originally had the owner's permission to keep it there-right next to >>> the>>> large commercial grease dumpster. The agreement he made with me was>>> that he would keep filling the 30 gallon drum until it was full and >>> the>>> rest he would put into the commercial dumpster if I could not get it>>> processed fast enough. He asked me if I could provide a metal >>> container>>> because he preferred to pour his grease hot out of the fryer into the>>> container and the plastic jugs would not work. I did and it was >>> working>>> out nicely. If anyone asked about it, he would tell them that it was>>> his and for his use, since it was on his property. I was driving to>>> work yesterday and noticed it was not there. That night, I went in >>> and>>> asked him if he knew where it was. He said that he thought that I >>> had>>> taken it and didn't think anything of it. He told me that>>> the commercial grease hauler is bringing him a new bulk container >>> with>>> locks on it because they are experiencing more and more grease>>> theft. The owner does not particulary like to pay for grease >>> disposal,>>> but does not have many options since he wants to do the right thing >>> when>>> it comes to disposal. I stated that I most likely would not put >>> another>>> metal drum behind his eatery because this would happen again. He>>> agreed. Even though it is more work for him, the owner told me he >>> would>>> pour off the grease once cooled back into the 5 gal. polys that it >>> comes>>> in for me. This will work out better for me anyways. I just don't>>> understand why people think they can take something that does not >>> belong>>> to them without asking first. Most people get upset when you take>>> something without asking, but if you ask first, many times they will>>> give it to you. Thanks to the members here for listening to me vent>>> some frustration. Jonathan.>>>>>> - >>> --->>> All-new Yahoo! Mail>>> >>> advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta>->>> Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.>>>>>>>>> - >>> --->>>>>> ___>>> Biofuel mailing list>>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/ >>> biofuel_sustainablelists.org>>>>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:>>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>>>>>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000>>> messages):>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>>>>>>>>> -- >> -->> Bob

Re: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Collection and Other Questions

2006-09-11 Thread Thor Burfine


		
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might workUsed to use these to prevent the stock tanks from freezing.Usually took about 2 hours to "warm one up" after they froze 
		

From: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:57 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Collection and Other Questions
		
		Fashion a heated wand to plunge into the tank.  The wand can be a tube with a water jacket or electrically heated.  Some dude on J2F did something like that IIRC.CheeseJoeWill Kelleher wrote:Sorry, I hit send before I was finished.  As I was saying:We are concerned that it will be difficult to collect the WVO in the winter because it will be solid.  The company uses a heating element on the collection trunk, but we'll just be sucking it out with a hose.  Does anyone know how we should heat up the WVO in order to extract it?  Also, if it becomes necessary to collect the WVO in our own tanks, does anyone have any idea where we could find something like that? Will
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Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease

2006-09-11 Thread Thor Burfine


		Well the thing to do as my brother the cop saysFile the reportNext time file the reportenough reports filed then the police know they have a problem and will actually start watching for itIn Lufkin, TX thats actually what happenedThey caught a little old lady stealing the WVO to make her soaps with.
		

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		The police would humor me by making out a report and filing it.  They have better things to do than to look for a grease thief. Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
truea lock keeps an honest person honesta 12 guage keeps a thief awayI would report the theft to the policeFrom: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:43 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease5 seconds and a bolt cutter... no matchThor Burfine wrote:> > has anybody thought of welding little chains to thier drums, say about > 4ft long and locking them to the fence?> > hasp and padlock on the lid?> better yet, drill hole through the bolt on the lid ring and pad lock > the ring> > > > > *From*: Jonathan Schearer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> *Sent*: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:53 AM> *To*: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: [Biofuel] Stolen Grease> > Well, it finally happened to me. I had a 30 gallon steel drum full of > waste grease behind the local pizzeria taken on me the other day. I > live in a small town where things like this don't happen-or do they? I > originally had the owner's permission to keep it there-right next to the > large commercial grease dumpster. The agreement he made with me was > that he would keep filling the 30 gallon drum until it was full and the > rest he would put into the commercial dumpster if I could not get it > processed fast enough. He asked me if I could provide a metal container > because he preferred to pour his grease hot out of the fryer into the > container and the plastic jugs would not work. I did and it was working > out nicely. If anyone asked about it, he would tell them that it was > his and for his use, since it was on his property. I was driving to > work yesterday and noticed it was not there. That night, I went in and > asked him if he knew where it was. He said that he thought that I had > taken it and didn't think anything of it. He told me that > the commercial grease hauler is bringing him a new bulk container with > locks on it because they are experiencing more and more grease > theft. The owner does not particulary like to pay for grease disposal, > but does not have many options since he wants to do the right thing when > it comes to disposal. I stated that I most likely would not put another > metal drum behind his eatery because this would happen again. He > agreed. Even though it is more work for him, the owner told me he would > pour off the grease once cooled back into the 5 gal. polys that it comes > in for me. This will work out better for me anyways. I just don't > understand why people think they can take something that does not belong > to them without asking first. Most people get upset when you take > something without asking, but if you ask first, many times they will > give it to you. Thanks to the members here for listening to me vent > some frustration. Jonathan. > > > All-new Yahoo! Mail > - > Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.> > > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> -- --Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercisesin moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to

Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-11 Thread Thor Burfine

Well then...
Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend, then I
win... 


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MY GOD.

Your god is wrong.

MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky.

"Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend"



bob allen wrote:

>Gregg Davidson wrote:
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>>I'm not upset. I know that Clinton wouldn't take Osama on a silver 
>>platter 3 times. The atack may have come come on Bush's watch, but the 
>>inaction came on Clinton's, the first WTC bombing, Simalia, the USS 
>>Cole. I'm sure there is more than that.
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>>The Dems/Libs would try the same thing if God Himself told what happened.
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>Who's god?
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>>*/DHAJOGLO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
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>>Gregg,
>>I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it
>>comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's
>>administration could have done things differently but remember, the
>>attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over
>>several years.
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>>On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote:
>> > Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with
>>something better than that?
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>>Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was
>>outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you
>>suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to
>>the deaths of the US's service men and women? Or a lie about why
>>3000 people lost their lives in 9/11?
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>> > I'm so sorry we pissed off "Uncle" Osama. We'd better not make
>>him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us.
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>>Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on
>>one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And
>>my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two
>>presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's
>>successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to
>>propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the
>>Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic
>>and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie
>>about why and how it happened.
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>>-dave
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-12 Thread Thor Burfine


		

		There is a problem with perfect.The problem is, if you are perfect then there is no room to grow.If there is no room to grow you become stagnateif you become stagnate then you become complacentif you become complacent you become your own imaginary friend.Therefore unless you are a God to begin with perfection is useless



		
		

From: "Paul S Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:58 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
		
		You may be Thor, but I am perfect!Given that I am nobody.and nobody is perfect.Therefore, I am perfect.HA!  ;-DOn 9/11/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Well then...Since I am Thor and Thor is god and I am my own imaginary friend, then Iwin...Thor[EMAIL PROTECTED]Any and all attachment have been scanned by Avast antivirus.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Mike WeaverSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:46 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyMY GOD.Your god is wrong. MY god is a big white guy with a beard in the sky."Religious wars are battles over who has the best imaginary friend"-- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch "We are such insignificant creatures on a minor planet of a very average star in the outer suburbs of one of a hundred billion galaxies. So it is difficult to believe in a God that would care about us or even notice our existence."  -Stephen Hawking
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Re: [Biofuel] Personal Reflections on 9/11

2006-09-12 Thread Thor Burfine


		

		This may sound callous and crude to someI was at work, at my desk, in Houston when my wife sent me an IM.Wife "A plane just hit the NorthTower of the world trade center"Me "Sucks to be them"Now that I think back on the last 5 years, I can't help but thinkLucky them. (hear me out, don't shoot yet)They Missed the bombing of Afghanistan   The bombs where going to expire so why not use them... sorry that's my sick humorThey Missed the cleanup of daddy Bush's mess (and I'm a Bush supporter, not fan, supporter)    This was coming anywayThey Missed Enron    So was thisThey Missed Martha Stewart going to Jail   Didn't give her enough jail time IMHOThey Missed $3.00 + for gas   Saw it comingThey Missed the Government getting caught lying   The caught part was going to happen sooner or laterThey Missed the revolution   oops, sorry that's next weekI will say that I am glad that Gore was not in office, he would have shat on himselfOther than, do I feel safer?YesWhy you may ask   I now know who my rivals are.   I know where my ammo is.   I knew we where going to warI never figured it to be Afghanistan, I figured IraqI knew gas was going to climb in priceI knew Exxon was going to make a killingI knew GM, Ford, Chrysler when in the tank   but then again we where in the aftermath of the Clinton Economic policyI knew that we would loose the right to pass gas without the FED knowingAll I can say now that I think backMay their souls be at restMay their love carry throughMay the loss not be forgotMay we all survive the upcoming collapse of  social order   --scheduled for 11:31pm GMT on the third Friday from the Second Tuesday after your favorite religious holiday




		
		

From: robert and benita rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:43 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Personal Reflections on 9/11
		
		Joe Street wrote:> On sept. 11, 2001 I was isolated in the wilderness about half way >through a 10 day hike on a 100 km trail.>I was in Maryland that day, visiting with my aunt and uncle. I'd flown in for a convention the night before, but since it wasn't scheduled to start until the 12th, I had a day to do some sightseeing. I'd intended to take the train down to Washington and go to the Pentagon, since that was the only place I hadn't visited, and figured I'd head up to Arlington afterwards and pay my respects to the soldiers at rest there.But I woke up with a migraine and didn't go. In retrospect this was probably a good thing, as the trains were shut down, the freeways were jammed, and I'd have been stuck there for a LONG time!My uncle phoned. In the midst of my misery, my aunt turned on the television and we stared--along with the eyes of the nation--in absolute horror. I felt a rage within me, a VERY ugly emotion, and realized that many of my countrymen would feel the same way. I knew we were going to war. I knew that a lot of people were going to die.Ranking among the most difficult things I've ever done, I knelt on the living room floor of my aunt and uncle's house and prayed with my aunt. I poured out my soul, and in doing so, found the strength to ask forgiveness for the evil men who'd done this horrible thing to my country. I prayed for mercy on the souls of those who'd perished, and for their families. The rage I felt inside began to melt.Later that afternoon I saw Virginia State Troopers guarding a mosque as people of a different faith came to their house of worship to pray, and thought: "This is what America is REALLY about."Bob Allen asked a pertinent question in the "Disney" thread. Whose god do we honor? (And a poignant question, given that he has never professed belief in God among us, while many who claim to know God remain hell bent on killing God's children.)Now, had we taken out the Taliban (which, I admit, probably needed to happen, though I didn't support it at the time) and poured our efforts into rebuilding Afghanistan; had we gone in to repair roads, bridges, hospitals, airports and schools; had we worked with local people in redevelopment, I'm confident the world would have joined us. Afghanistan would be a very different place by now.Had we examined our energy policies and made a concerted effort to change our energy use paradigm, we'd now be five years into a program that would steadily reduce our dependence on fossil fuel. Had we re-examined our Middle East policies and truly made an effort to develop equitable societies in that region, had we not drawn our swords against the people there, but instead, reached out to them with our hands in work gloves--and shovels and hammers, rather than rifles and pistols, on our backs and belts--we'd be in a very different situation right now.The person who accepts the last blow is the person who ends the fight. I was angry on that day, but I know that lashing out in a rage solves nothing. Turning the other cheek is not a sign of weakness, but rather, of undeni

Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Thor Burfine


		No we got our asses kickedAt least thats my opinionNo disrespect the the vets intended, you did what you could with one hand tied behind your back, and Johnson standing on your nuts
		

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		Wasn't Vietnam a drawJoe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
They could always pull out and declare victory like they did in Vietnam.JoeFred Finch wrote:> Let me get this straight...>> We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... >> But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had > limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in > because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed people > in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have nearly "Zero > casualties," to bring democracy to the middle east, and bring > specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in Iraq, and have > 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless Iraqi deaths, and > civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 billion a month, with > limited water and electrical service... etc.>> What were we looking for in Afganistan again?>> When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have started in > the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. America is > getting it's international backside handed to them on a platter and > you say that cutting and running is a bad idea.>> Well, let's stay the course then,>> you go first.>> fred>> >___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Finding Oil

2006-09-13 Thread Thor Burfine


		encouraging words
		

From: JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:22 PMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Finding Oil
		
		It was for some time but I got the better of the !@@[EMAIL PROTECTED] grease guy that made life miserable for me. The thing is show them you are here to stay and you are a benefit to them. I now have a sweet source of oil. It is limited in supply but good quality.The Big Biodiesel plants are actually pulling from every source they can. But they cannot compete with a local person even if they have to purchase the stuff.JimThor Burfine wrote:> Just out of stupid curiosity...>> Is anybody else out there finding it hard to obtain new oil sources?>>>>___>Biofuel mailing list>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever:>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>> >___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Thor Burfine


		Well I used to consider myself an a$$ holenow I guess I am a Liberial LeftEconomic Left/Right: -3.25Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77Still have no clue what this means, not sure I care.I know what I like, want, fear, and hate. I think thats all that matters in life.My motto... "I don't care what you think"My theme song... Robert Earl King - Rich Young Dumb NymphomaniacMy thoughts on global warming... It happens in nature, we just turbo charged the processMy feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glassI don't think the test is very accurate--If the Brits wore red coats to hide the blood on the field of battle then that explains why the French wear brown pants.
		

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i got a -4.38 on the left/right, and a -4.67 libertarian/authoritarian, putting me in the libertarian left section. i have no idea what this means. if you need me, i'll be looking this stuff up...
		
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Jason,You can be a Social Liberal and a Fiscal Conservative, or vice versa.I prefer the term Progressive.Ever taken the political compass test online?http://www.politicalcompass.org You might learn something about yourself.On 9/12/06, Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: is it possible to be both?JasonICQ#:  154998177MSN:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message -From: "robert and benita rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: < biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:42 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> Mike Weaver wrote:>>>I'm proud of being a Large L, museum-quality Liberal. >>I guess, because I believe in small government, personal> accountability, environmental conservation and sound fiscal policy that> I must be a large C, museum-quality Conservative.  But, having written > this, I'd gladly cross the aisle and shake your hand!>> robert luis rabello> "The Edge of Justice"> Adventure for Your Mind> http://www.newadventure.ca >> Ranger Supercharger Project Page> http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/>>> ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>>> --> No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006>>--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchThe genius of you Americans is that you never make clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves which make us wonder at the possibility that there may be something to them which we are missing. - Gamal Abdel Nasser 
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Thor Burfine


		

		Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer and I don not believe in being politically correct, so if I offend you, ohh well not my problem



		
		

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		This offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snipMy feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Thor Burfine


		Actually, MensaI just don't give a shi..
		

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		And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as well...On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer From: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyThis offends me.  Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be turned to glass as well.Thor Burfine wrote:snip My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Thor Burfine


		The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is done
		

From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
		
		so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote:> Actually, Mensa> > I just don't give a shi..> > > *From*: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> > And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as > well...> > On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:> > > > Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer > > > > > *From*: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM> > *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> > > This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be> turned to glass as well.> > Thor Burfine wrote:> > snip>>>> My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass> > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000> messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > > > > > > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> -- --Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercisesin moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Thor Burfine


		noI find many of the topics here insitful and usefulI had a professor once tell meIf you are offended, then its your fault.If you offend me, then its my faultI live by that. 
		

From: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
		
		I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offendedMy work is doneFrom: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disneyso mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?Thor Burfine wrote:> Actually, Mensa> > I just don't give a shi..> > > *From*: "Fred Finch" > *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney> > And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers as > well...> > On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:> > > > Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer > > > > > *From*: Joe Street > >> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM> > *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney > > > This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be> turned to glass as well.> > Thor Burfine wrote:> > snip>>>> My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass > > > > ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000> messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> -- --Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Disney

2006-09-13 Thread Thor Burfine


		3,2,1draw your cod soaked in plutoniumYa know I havent had that in a number of years, I think I will enjoy some tonight
		

From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:39 AMTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
		
		Well, as Thor's previous professor of Offensive Rhetoric and Circular Reasoning at Matchbook University, I'm very offended by your heartless comments.I challenge you to a duel: Lutefisk at 50 paces.Name your seconds, Sir.-WeaverFred Finch wrote:> Useless words to live by. >>>> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote:>> no>> I find many of the topics here insitful and useful>> I had a professor once tell me>> If you are offended, then its your fault.> If you offend me, then its my fault>>> I live by that.>> > *From*: "Fred Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:36 AM>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>> I take it then that you are going to unsubscribe from the list?>> On 9/13/06, * Thor Burfine* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote:>> The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive> politicly correct are offended>> My work is done>> > *From*: bob allen < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *Sent* : Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM>>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>> so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?>> Thor Burfine wrote:>> Actually, Mensa>>>> I just don't give a shi..>>>> ---->> *From*: "Fred Finch">> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>>> And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of> sledgehammers as>> well...>>>> On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:>>>>>>>> Well I will admit, I have the subtlety of a sledgehammer>>>>>>>> >>> *From*: Joe Street>> >>> *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM>>>> *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >> *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney>>>>>> This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be>> turned to glass as well.>>>> Thor Burfine wrote:>>>> snip>>>>>> My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass>>>>>>>> ___>> Biofuel mailing list>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> >>>>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> >>>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000>> messages):>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ___>> Biofuel mailing list>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org>>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>>>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives> (50,000 messages):>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>>>>> -- > --> Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob> --> -> The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises> in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral> justification for selfishness JKG> >>> ___> Biofuel mailing list> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever:> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000> messag

Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc

2006-09-13 Thread Thor Burfine

 

I just have to say, I think its rather funny that my personal beliefs can
cause such a shit storm

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Penfold
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc

Thor,

it's not overly sensitive to dislike insinuations that you would be
perfectly happy to use nuclear bombs on a whole region in order to get your
oil.

You're a small-minded idiot.


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>   From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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>so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel?
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>Thor Burfine wrote:
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> > I just don't give a shi..
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> > *From*: "Fred Finch"
> > *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM
> > *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> > *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
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> > And apparently you have the intelligence of a box of sledgehammers 
> > as well...
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> > On 9/13/06, *Thor Burfine* > wrote:
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> > ----
> > *From*: Joe Street
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> > *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:25 AM
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> > *To*: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> > *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney
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> > This offends me. Perhaps the sand around your loved ones can be 
> > turned to glass as well.
> >
> > Thor Burfine wrote:
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> >> My feeling on the middle east... we can drill for oil through glass
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