Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
If you find this kind of recording device in your car, disable it. In case someone might start to argue there is some kind of regulation against that: oops, it malfunctioned... This is were the debate ends for me. Yves. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO and Kerosene
kerosene (it also works with filtered WVO). Actually any diesel engine can run on kerosene since it is almost the same substance as diesel. From some workers at the airport here I heard several of them drive even on pure kerosene. For every four tanks of kerosene they haven driven they just fill up one time with diesel. Yves. At 01:19 15/10/2004, you wrote: Hi group. I noticed a posting from someone using SVO and Kerosene in a Genset. Anyone out there have info on WVO and Kerosene for vehicles? I have access to waste aviation kereosene unsuitable for use in turbines (has had water in it at one time) and easy access to WVO. The water can be easily separated from the kerosene, which makes it suitable for heating oil and hopefully, a replacement for diesel if it's lubricity could be inproved with WVO. Thanks Buck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[biofuel] crystal that traps pollution from vehicles
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[biofuel] diesel scooter
Does someone have more information on the availability of a diesel scooter? I searched the net and didn't find any. Yves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Appleseed Biodiesel Reactor For Sale
Hi, I have already been driving for a year on WVO (with a pre-heater system). The startup though requires ordinary 'diesel'. I have brewed my own biodiesel a few times (succesfully), but I don't seem to be as handy and technically equiped to build my own processor. So, I'm very interested in buying one. Off course this means it would need to be shipped to Belgium, Europe (for which I am prepared to bare the costs). Best regards, Yves. At 07:00 PM 7/29/2004 -0700, you wrote: Hello to all. I am a mechanical engineering/chemistry student at the University of Arizona. I will soon be accepting an exchange for at least one year to another University in a different part of the country. Due to space (dorm living) and other limitations, I would like to sell my current biodiesel project to someone who would make good use of it. I have just completed a 40 gallon Appleseed reactor made from a brand new hot water heater with the guidance of Girl Mark. I have only recently finished the reactorin fact, it has never been filled with anything other than water (for leak testing). The design is the now famous hot water heater based design using external piping and a circulating pump. The reactor is ready to begin processing. I also have a 55 gallon drum wash tank with an open top and internal standpipes which is ready to go but not yet leak tested. I will sell the reactor and wash tank for only the cost of the materials I put into it. Though I have not completely added this up yet, it will be right around $200 - $250 for everything you need (less chemicals) to make your biodiesel. I live in Tucson, Arizona. Pick-up/delivery options will have to be worked out with a buyer. I have transported both the reactor and the wash tank in my Volskwagen Golf (not at the same time) with only very minor disassembly, so this should not be a problem. I can provide digital photos of this equipment upon request. Everything is well built, piping is well taped, and easy to use. Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for personal questions that would not be of interest to the group (ie. logistical questions). Thank you, Brian __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BD processor in Belgium/Holland
Hi, I make biodiesel from time to time in open barrels. This is not very convenient and not extremely healthy either I think. I already checked the processor plans several times but never came to actually making one. Is there someone in Belgium or The Netherlands who already built a biodiesel processor? Yves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dutch biodiesel brewers
Ik ken de situatie in Nederland niet wat dit soort winkels betreft, maar in Belgi kan je deze spullen gewoon bij de drogist kopen (waar ze schoonmaakproducten en een aantal chemicalin verkopen). Methanol kan je daar zo krijgen (probeer wel minstens 5 liter flessen te kopen want met 1 liter flesjes heb je wel erg dure methanol). Loog wordt verkocht in korrels (als ontstopper voor afvoerbuizen). Let wel op dat het om loogkorrels gaat en geen mengeling van loog met andere spullen. Yves. At 12:34 AM 7/12/2004 +, you wrote: Question , where do you get your methanol and lye? (which brand lye) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Used motor oil
An aquintance of me burns the used motor oil in a stove to heat part of his house. That's also a possibility. At 02:20 AM 7/8/2004 +0200, you wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know if it is possible to make diesel fuel out of used motor oil ? I know this is not environmental friendly, but it is there anyway, so why not use it as a fuel ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Westfalia Centrifuge for sale - Pieter Pieter Sorry for the delay. The centrifuge is a Westfalia marine oil centrifuge with 1-phase 230V and 415V 3-phase motors, stainless steel disc stack. What are you offering? ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet gecontroleerd op virussen. Op http://www.planet.nl/evs staat een verwijzing naar de actuele lijst waar op wordt gecontroleerd. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PURITY OF SODIUM HYDROXIDE
I already used this kind of soda pearls several times to make BD. It works perfectly. Yves. At 07:48 AM 7/7/2004 +0900, you wrote: Hi all Please can you advise if caustic soda pearls (sold as drain cleaner) at 98% are sufficient or if i must order 99%+ which is a lot more expensive. thanks Ben Hi Ben I think that'll be just fine. Try small test-batches first, as ever. Make sure to keep the stuff dry, close the lid quickly and tight, even transfer and weigh it out it inside plastic bags if the weather's very wet. Make sure too that it's still dry in the first place when you buy it. If all the pearls are stuck together in a lump there's been a moisture leak. It'll still work as drain cleaner but not so well with biodiesel (though you could probably just use more of it, if you adjust the proportions in an organised sort of way). Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] question
I think you can still use it for BD conversion. The oil I pick up from some Chinese restaurants is also months old (with some smell) and I even use it for WVO-driving without any problem... Yves. At 01:39 PM 6/26/2004 +0200, you wrote: Hi all, Today some chinees man from a restaurant brought me 1000 liters of WVO. It smells like hell, because it has been in a container for months. Can I still make BD from this stuff ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: nick_75au [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: [biofuel] Centrifugal seperator for biodiesel Hi, I posted to the 100% ethanol post about centrifugal processor not being able to seperate water from ethanol, yahoo started bouncing my messages for the second time in as many weeks so i never saw the replys, general opinion is a seperator wont work. Anyway I want to throw some thoughts out into the breeze about using the seperator to remove the glycyrine and FFA out of the reacted biodiesel. I worked in the navy where we used 4 small seperators, two for removing contaminants and water out of main engine sump oil and the other two removed water and solids from diesel fuel. As we know to seperate the glycerine and FFA out of the fuel once it is reacted it is left to settle overnight and the FFA and glycerine settles to the bottom by gravity. Well a centrifugal seperator ( if I can I will post a picture in the photos section showing a seperator cross section) achieves the same result by rotating a stack of conical disks at around 10,000 rpm. the heavy component is forced to the outside and is discharged to a port, the fuel passes up the center and is discharged to a second port. any dirt is traped on the disks and in the bowl. The advantage of this is that it happens in minutes not hours or days. The seperators I delt with were the smallest model and they could process 100 litres per minute. Another feature that is interesting is that for the centrifuges water could actualy be introduced into the oil or diesel to assist in seperating water and contaminant from the product, I bring this up because It may be a way to wash the biodiesel at the same time as removing the glycerine however I think this may not work as all the procceses on the JTF site wash after seperating, Have I missed someting regarding this?. So now I have given this wonderful info and you all rush out to find seperators then find they are too big, too costly and difficult to find unless you work in a shipyard, I did some looking around and I believe that the humble cream seperator might just do the trick, a perfect size for a home biodieseler, hand driven and works on exactly the same principal. Some experimentation will be required as to speed it is spun and it may require some modification I dont know until I or someone can post some results. I havent made any biodiesel yet and when I do I am definitly going to try this out, If any one is willing to give it a go now I would love to here about it and will be able to sort out any problems on-line. Best Regards Nick Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Deze e-mail is door E-mail VirusScanner van Planet Internet gecontroleerd op virussen. Op http://www.planet.nl/evs staat een verwijzing naar de actuele lijst waar op wordt gecontroleerd. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [biofuel] an animal fats thing
I don't know exactly, but an ex-employee of Mc-Donald's in Belgium told me once that (at least in Belgium) the frying stuff contains animal fat. At 11:02 AM 6/2/2004 +0200, you wrote: From: girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bubble washing. allegedly it's an animal fats thing. I haven't personally dealt with it because in the US we don't get fast food cooked in animal fats. anyone else (ie australians, eaters of fine tallow fried ... er... food), more info? Is 'normally used' animal fat harder to convert fully than vegoil? I have been told that McDonalds fry oil is the same the world over and contains 30% chicken fat. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] micro-organisms in oil
When the temperature is warm enough micro-organisms can start to develop in mineral oil, especially in WVO I guess. Now that spring/summer is coming I wonder, is there a substance that can safely be added to the WVO to prevent this, or doesn't it matter. Yves. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil
x-charset ISO-8859-1Whenever the topic of China comes up in a discussion I think we should not forget what this nation is capable of as far it's human rights record is concerned. Let's just take one - but very striking - example, the persecution of Falun Gong: Falun Gong is a traditional Chinese spiritual discipline that includes exercise and meditation. Its principles are based on Truth, Compassion, and Tolerance.The practice began in China in 1992 and quickly spread by word of mouth throughout China and then beyond. Falun Gong is practiced now by over 100 million people in 40 countries. Since the former leader of China, Jiang Zemin, began the persecution of Falun Gong practitioners in 1999 the following happened: 100 million people practiced Falun Gong in 1998, but lost that right when Jiang banned it in 1999. Hundreds of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners have been illegally arrested and detained. More than 500 have been sentenced to prison terms of up to 18 years. More than 1,000 have been forced into mental hospitals, an act condemned by the World Psychiatric Association. Over 100,000 have been illegally sent to labor camps without trials. At least 881 deaths through police torture have been confirmed, with government sources inside China disclosing that the actual number exceeds 1,600 (In a July 2003 radio interview, former U.S. Ambassador Mark Palmer put this figure in the range of ten thousand) . At 05:09 10/02/2004 +0900, you wrote: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001850271_chinaoil04.html The Seattle Times: Nation World: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secure oil By Ellen Knickmeyer The Associated Press DAKAR, Senegal - The West African nation of Gabon isn't one of the world's more high-profile countries. So why a state visit by China's leader? That's easy: oil. Burning fuel at a record pace to run an economy in overdrive, China, since late last year, has claimed the No. 2 spot in world oil imports, second only to the United States. And jostling with the world's other oil gulpers, China's leaders are looking far afield for a secure oil supply, locking down tough-term deals with easy-term cash. China, the United States, Japan, Europe and, increasingly, India - all leery of dependence on the volatile Middle East - are elbowing each other in a rush to nontraditional oil sources in West Africa, the Caspian Sea region, Russia, South America and elsewhere. That's what brought Chinese President Hu Jintao to Gabon this week. He opened the three-day state visit - his only sub-Saharan stop on a four-nation tour - pledging lasting, lucrative friendship between resource-rich Africa and resource-voracious China. China's broadening of drilling and mining in Africa comes with the aim of promoting development by the principle of 'win-win,' Hu told Gabon's lawmakers Monday. He spoke in a parliament building being rebuilt by no-interest Chinese loans. On the sidelines, China, Gabon and France's Total Gabon oil firm signed a multimillion-dollar series of deals guaranteeing China a set, steady flow of Gabonese oil. Despite any rival bids or Gabon's own declining supplies, it means that Gabon will always have to make oil available ... to sell to China, Oil Minister Onouviet explained proudly on Gabonese radio. The Chinese leader moved yesterday to Algeria - a north African nation absorbed in its struggle against a bloody Islamic extremist group, and a no-go zone for most world leaders. But Hu has a particular reason to visit Algeria - the hundreds of millions of dollars China has invested in refineries there since last year. And back in China, the economy - booming at 9.9 percent annual, with business and family-car ownership surging - is waiting to see what Hu brings home from his oil trip. China is driving global demand, hard. It's sucking up a lot of the world's oil resources, said Antoine Halff, demand specialist at the International Energy Agency. It's a large market and steep growth, and it's not getting the oil it's looking for. According to recent Oil Market Report issued by International Energy Agency (IEA), China will need 5.8 million barrels of oil every day in 2004. Official statistics showed that the volume of imported oil has increased from over 20 million tons to 70 million tons from 1996 to 2002. China imported approximately 1.4 million barrels of crude oil per day in the international market during the time, the report added. Until very recently, China, like the West and Japan, largely had been looking for oil imports where everyone else was - the Middle East, source of 60 percent of Chinese oil imports. But increasingly, the world's powers are questioning the wisdom of leaving national economies to rest on the explosive region. The result is an oil boom in places like West Africa. In Angola, Nigeria, Gabon and other oil-producing states, China and other Asian nations in 2003 competed aggressively with
Re: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-hungry China goes far afield to secureoil
Absolutely not. The former Chinese president overruled his own constitutionally granted powers to initiate this 'cultural revolution styled' persecution. The murdering and torturing which is going on for the last four years is in violation of all international laws and treaties. Besides these 'formalities' off course it is totally immoral and dead wrong It just depends on the perspective. The Nazis judged the concentration camps in 1942 as a normal part of their system and therefore completely legal. By the way, this ongoing persecution is condemned by the US congress, the European Parliament, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International,... And as far as the environment is concerned, there is not a thing the Chinese government could care less about. Just for your reference, Yves. Pshaw! They were arrested, detained and sent to labor camps completely legaly Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Back again
x-charset ISO-8859-1It is correct that a lot of the stuff they use here is animal fat or 'half liquid' vegetable oil. The half liquid, hardened, oil I use for making biodiesel. The liquid oil I use in a separate tank (with a pre-hearting system) to drive on pure oil. A tip: the Chinese restaurants in Belgium (and I think everywhere else too) always seem to use liquid oil, and even in larger quantities then in Western cooking. Sometimes you have to gain their confidence, though, before they will give it to you, but that is not too difficult. Yves. At 16:29 2/02/2004 +0100, you wrote: Hi Yves, Does it work for you to find 'oil' (liquid at room temperature) here in Belgium? Seems most 'WVO' is not vegetable but animal origin (at least what I am able to get by) Do you have good resources on getting vegetable WVO? Any tips? Regards, Filip Voor de rest van het forum maar in het engels. -- Origineel Bericht -- To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: Yves vd hoeven [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:16:45 +0100 Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back again Als je olie koopt is dat inderdaad duur. Er staat je echter niets in de weg om gebruikte olie bij een restaurant op te halen en daarvan biodiesel te maken :) Groeten, Yves. At 13:52 1/02/2004 +0100, you wrote: Hi all, After 8 weeks h spital (nothing to worry about) , I am back again and found over 2000 e-mails on this forum. Great ! To be honest, I didn't read them all. Before I left for a while, I think I have asked the question, how I can use ethanol to run a diesel engin on. Over here in Europe, the veg oil is getting quite expensive, because more and more people start to know how they can drive their car on it, and of course the oil - merchants - rise theire prices. However, there is still enough sawdust for ree. Can I just mix ethanol with BD, or can I run my diesel on strait ethanol ? What would be the effects to the environment ? I would think it burns cleaner than BD ? Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole Netherlands. The in ormation contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disc osure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic c mmunications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide mix ng Paul, For most, simple HDPE gallon jugs or HDPE 5 gallon carboys are sufficient, preferably translucent. Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in advance and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perha s an occasional bit of agitation. KOH dissolves much more readily (a matter of minutes with mild agitation) than NaOH, but perhaps is not as available for some. Doesn't matter if the process you choose is acid/base or st aight base. It serves your interests best if you make sure that adequate mixing takes place. Treat neither any differently from the other. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Paul B.Schmidt pschmidt@ adriver.com To: biodiesel lisst serve biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing Just wondering what other people are using to mix up the lye and met anol with. Seems that I read alot about putting it in a sealed container to avoid fumes... but then how do you mix it up? Just shake it around or do you need to have some sort of sealed mixed in the carboy??! Does that do enough The Foolproof method notes that ... It's nasty stuff and it's not easy to mix -- and it must be thoroughly mixed before you use it, with all the lye dissolved and goes on to note that you just give it a series of swirls and then let it sit. Is that enough to thoroughly mix it?! Sounds good to me if so as I was planning on having to mix up several small batches in my blender and then pouring them into a container together, sealing that and then having it gravity fed through a tube into the processor. So,... just pour, shake thoroughly, and drain..?!. Also, does the base vs acid process demand more or less thorough mixing? Any thoughts out there? - Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Un ubscribe messages
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Als je olie koopt is dat inderdaad duur. Er staat je echter niets in de weg om gebruikte olie bij een restaurant op te halen en daarvan biodiesel te maken :) Groeten, Yves. At 13:52 1/02/2004 +0100, you wrote: Hi all, After 8 weeks hospital (nothing to worry about) , I am back again and found over 2000 e-mails on this forum. Great ! To be honest, I didn't read them all. Before I left for a while, I think I have asked the question, how I can use ethanol to run a diesel engine on. Over here in Europe, the veg oil is getting quite expensive, because more and more people start to know how they can drive their car on it, and of course the oil - merchants - rise theire prices. However, there is still enough sawdust for free. Can I just mix ethanol with BD, or can I run my diesel on strait ethanol ? What would be the effects to the environment ? I would think it burns cleaner than BD ? Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole Netherlands. The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing Paul, For most, simple HDPE gallon jugs or HDPE 5 gallon carboys are sufficient, preferably translucent. Prepare the sodium methoxide 12-24 hours in advance and time will do most of the dissolving for you, with perhaps an occasional bit of agitation. KOH dissolves much more readily (a matter of minutes with mild agitation) than NaOH, but perhaps is not as available for some. Doesn't matter if the process you choose is acid/base or straight base. It serves your interests best if you make sure that adequate mixing takes place. Treat neither any differently from the other. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Paul B.Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biodiesel lisst serve biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide mixing Just wondering what other people are using to mix up the lye and methanol with. Seems that I read alot about putting it in a sealed container to avoid fumes... but then how do you mix it up? Just shake it around or do you need to have some sort of sealed mixed in the carboy??! Does that do enough? The Foolproof method notes that ... It's nasty stuff and it's not easy to mix -- and it must be thoroughly mixed before you use it, with all the lye dissolved and goes on to note that you just give it a series of swirls and then let it sit. Is that enough to thoroughly mix it?! Sounds good to me if so as I was planning on having to mix up several small batches in my blender and then pouring them into a container together, sealing that and then having it gravity fed through a tube into the processor. So,... just pour, shake thoroughly, and drain..?!. Also, does the base vs acid process demand more or less thorough mixing? Any thoughts out there? - Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the
