[biofuel] Fox/Ginosar
Hi Keith and Everyone, #6Detailed Description of the Preferred Embodiments As the reaction proceeds, glycerol and the alkyl esters of the glyceride are produced. Glycerol has low solubility in critical fluids such as CO2 and propane which will cause the glycerol product to drop out of the critical fluid medium. This removal of the glycerol from the reaction phase of the critical fluid medium will enhance the reaction equilibrium and drive the reaction further to completion with limited excess alcohol. One skilled in the art will then recognize that the quantity of excess alcohol required to drive reaction to completion will depend not only on such factors as the desired reaction rate, but also the glycerol solubility in the chosen critical fluid. The ability of the critical fluid medium to solvate the reactants eliminates the immiscible phases found in conventional processes. The single phase reaction eliminates inter-phase mass transfer of the individual reactants and catalyst, thereby greatly increasing the reaction's rate. After completion of the reaction, the reaction vessel may be the separation vessel, a final product stream 110 exits the reactor 10 and enters a first product separator. In the first product separator 12 the product stream's temperature and/or pressure are modified to allow the least soluble product in the critical fluid to quantitatively drop out, the glycerol in this embodiment . Once the glycerol has dropped out of the critical fluid medium, a physical separation of the two phases can be readily accomplished. A glycerol product stream 112 and a glycerol depleted product stream 114 exits the first separator 12. The glycerol depleted product stream 112 consists of the critical fluid, excess alcohol, alcohol ester of the glycerides, and any remaining catalyst, if a liquid catalyst is used, and then enters a second product separator 14. Again the temperature and pressure of the critical fluid are lowered to allow the desired product, the alkyl ester of the glyceride of this embodiment, to drop out of the critical fliud while retaining the excess alcohol in the critical fluid. The physical separation of the two phases then creates a second product stream of the alcohol ester 116 and the critical fluid recycle 104 which will be reintroduced back into the front of the process after having its pressure and temperature restored to the original input reaction requirements. While this embodiment describes a process with two product streams, the glycerol and alkyl ester, it should also be apparent to one skilled in the art that a reaction producing more than two products can produce multiple product streams by simply increasing the number of product separators. Although the present invention has been described with reference to preferred embodiments, those skilled in the art will recognize that changes may be made in form and detail without departing from the spirit and scope of the invention. Well that's it folks, all that's left are the claims which are required in any Patent, so this goes out to those skilled in the art, hope someone out there can use this, David Cruse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fox/Ginosar
Hi Keith and Everyone, Don't know if anyone is still interested in this stuff, as someone posted a message that the patent could be viewed on a website that they gave the address to, so if anyone wants me to continue after this post please let me know. #5 Detailed Description of the Preferred Embodiments continued Figure 1 provides a basic flow diagram for the glyceride reaction process employing a continuous reactor. Throughout the description of the process diagram, the various process vessels will be numbered between 1 and 99, with the various process streams being numbered beginning with 100. While the following discussion will describe a continuous reactor process for a transesterification reaction of glycerides with an alcohol ROH, one skilled in the art will recognize the process principles apply equally well in other process settings such as ones using batch reactors and separation processes as well as reactions producing alternate products to the alcohol esters as well as processes beginning with fatty acid feeds. A glyceride containing feed 100 is mixed with an input alcohol stream 102. The choice of alcohol will be a function of the desired reaction product, and typically such alcohols as methanol, ethanol, propanol, and butanol are chosen for practical reasons, however, one skilled in the art will readily recognize the flexibility of choices and non-limiting aspect of the above list. This input alcohol stream 102 contains approximately a stoichiometric quantity of alcohol necessary to quantitatively react the glyceride feed 100. While the reaction will require some excess alcohol, that needed excess is contained in a critical fluid recycle 104 which provides a transport medium that solvates the reactants to create the required process conditions. The exact critical fluid employed for a given reaction will depend on specifically chosen process parameters such as temperature, pressure, desired reaction products, solubility of the reaction products, quantity of excess alcohol needed to drive the reaction to completion, post reaction separation processes and chosen catalyst. Examples of possible critical fluid solvents are carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, methane, ethane, propane, or mixtures thereof, with or without critical fluid co-solvents such as methanol, ethanol, butanol, or water. Naturally, to the extent quantities of the critical fluid are lost during the process they can be replenished with a critical fluid makeup stream 106. The mixing of the input feed 100 (substance containing free fatty acids and/or glycerides), the input alcohol 102, the critical fluid recycle 104 and critical fluid makeup 106 streams, creates a reactant input stream 108 which is fed into a continuous reactor 10. The temperature and pressure of the reactant input stream will depend on its components and the desired process parameters. The important criteria for the critical fluid is its ability to dissolve the reactants. Reaction temperatures should be within 20% of the critical temperature of the fluid as measured in Kelvin, and pressures within 0.5-15 times critical pressure as modified by any co-solvent. Reaction temperatures are typically in the range from about 20 to 200 degrees C with reaction pressures in the range from about 150 psig to 4,000 psig. The transesterification reaction generally proceeds in the presence of a catalyst either acidic or basic. Liquid acids and bases, such as the common inorganic acids HCL, H2SO4, and HNO3, and inorganic bases NaOH and KOH typically provide the needed catalytic activity. Additionally, the use of a critical fluid medium allows for use of a solid phase catalyst with either acidic or basic surfaces such as microporous crystalline solids such as zeolites, and non-crystalline inorganic oxides such as alumina, silica, silica-alumina, boria, oxides of phosphorus, titanium dioxide, zirconium dioxide, chromia, zinc oxide, magnesia, calcium oxide, iron oxides, unmodified, or modified with chlorine, florine, sulfur or an acid or base, as well as mixtures of the above group or an exchange resin with acidic or basic properties. Where solid catalysts are used in the reactor, they may create a catalytic packed bed or float free inside the reactor. To be continued, David Cruse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fox/Ginosar
Hi Keith and Everyone, #4 Detailed Description of the Preferred Embodiments Continued In the case of mono,di, and triglycerides, fats and oils, R1 is the aliphatic hydrocarbon (C4 to C24) chain, R2 is glycerol and R3 is a hydrocarbon group, and preferably a short- chain alkyl group, more preferably methyl, ethyl, propyl or butyl group attached to the alcohol. In the case of free fatty acids, R1 is the aliphatic hydrocarbon chain wherein the terminal carboxylic acid group could be R1COO or R1COOM+ where M+ is a metal (thus, the salt of a free fatty acid); and, R3 is the short-chain hydrocarbon attached to the alcohol. In the case of a wax, R is an aliphatic hydrocarbon chain linked to R2 via the carboxylic ester linkage, and R3 is the short-chain hydrocarbon attached to the alcohol. To be continued, David Cruse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Access Your PC from Anywhere It's Easy. It's Fast. - Free Download http://us.click.yahoo.com/yWCYWA/6XkDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fox/Ginosar
Hi Keith,Dana,And Everyone, #3 Detailed Description of the Preferred Embodiments The present invention describes a process for reacting organic compounds having the generic formula R1COOR2 with short-chain (C1 to C4) alcohols in a single critical fluid phase over an acidic or basic catalyst to produce alkyl esters suitable as a biodiesel fuel. One skilled in the art will recognize that organic compounds from the family of compounds known as acylglycerols, fats, oils, waxes, or free fatty acids have the general formula R1COOR2 . One skilled in the art will also recognize that acylglycerols can be mono,di,or tri substituted in any manner. The invention includes the transesterification and esterification of R1COOR2 molecules with short -chain alcohols such as methanol, ethanol, propanol, or butanol to produce alcohol esters. The invention also encompasses the acid and base catalyzed hydrolysis of R1COOR2 compounds in a single critical fluid medium where R1 is a chain of aliphatic hydrocarbons (C4 to C36), and where R2 can either be glycerol or can be another aliphatic hydrocarbon chain (C4 to C36) linked to R1 via the carboxylic ester (BCOO-) linkage. The reaction is generally described as follows: R1COOR2 + R3OH -- R1COOR3 + R2OH catalyst To be continued, David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fox/Ginosar
Hi Keith and Everyone, #2 It is the object of the present invention to provide a process for reacting triglyceride- and free fatty acid-containing substances capable of completing the reaction in significantly less time than present conventional processes. It is another object of the present invention to provide a process for reacting triglyceride- and free fatty acid-containing substances capable of using reusable catalyst thereby avoiding the need for process neutralization. It is yet another object of the present invention to provide a process for reacting triglyceride- and free fatty acid-containing substances capable of using a solid phase catalyst. It is yet another object of the present invention to provide a process for reacting triglyceride- and free fatty acid-containing substances with higher yields of desired product over conventional processes. It is yet another object of the present invention to provide a process for reacting triglyceride- and free fatty acid-containing substances capable of operating in a single phase, thereby eliminating immiscible liquid phases and reducing mass transfer reaction limitations. It is yet another object of the present invention to provide a process for reacting triglyceride- and free fatty acid-containing substances with improved separation capabilities for for separating purified reaction products without the need for washing steps. It is yet another object of the present invention to provide a process for reacting triglycerides and free fatty acids which can quantitatively react the triglycerides or free fatty acids with significantly less excess alcohol than present processes. At this point, if everyone interested would go to http://pctgazette.wipo.int/ and click search IPDL, then enter IN/GINOSAR, then select WO 00/05327 and find the flow diagram and print it out, you will have an illustration of the embodiment of the invention employing a continuous reactor. To be continued, David Cruse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fox/Ginosar
Hi Keith,Dana,and Everyone, I'm going to send one page per e-mail, and I'm not going to send Claims, Prior Art,or the Abstract, as I see no real reason to waste effort on these things, so lets begin ! #1Summary and Objects of the Invention This invention provides a single-phase process for producing alkyl esters as biofuels and lubricants by the reactions of triglyceride esters and free fatty acids. This invention teaches a process where the reactants enter a reactor, whether batch or continuous, dissolved in a critical fluid. The critical fluid provides a single-phase medium in which diffusion of the reactants into different liquid phases is eliminated, and mass transfer limitations are essentially eliminated thereby increasing the overall reaction rate. A critical fluid is a fluid whose temperature is within 20% of the critical temperature of the fluid as measured in Kelvin and pressure within 0.5-15 times the critical pressure as modified by any co-solvent. Additionally, the solubility of the reaction products such as alkyl esters in the critical fluid can be controlled by controlling the reactor's temperature and pressure. Where a reaction product's solubility is low or nonexistent such as glycerol, it drops out of the fluid as it is created, thereby driving the reaction equilibrium toward product production which significantly reduces the quantity of excess reactants such as alcohol needed to drive the reaction to completion. The use of a critical fluid also allows for a wide range of catalysts, both liquid phase and reusable solid phase acid or base catalysts. Solid phase catalysts have significant additional advantages by limiting unwanted side reactions and producing higher conversion rates of the desired products. With the reaction completed, the critical fluid medium also facilitates clean separations. The reaction products typically can be sequentially and selectively removed from the critical fluid medium by adjusting the temperature and pressure of the critical fluid medium. In a transesterification reaction of the triglycerides, the glycerol is removed first leaving the alcohol esters in the critical fluid. With the glycerol removed, the temperature and pressure is again changed to drop out the alkyl esters. Once the products are removed the critical fluid and any excess reactants are returned to the beginning of the process. To be continued, David Cruse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] solid catalyst
Hi Keith and Everyone, I would be glad to post a small part of the process using a solid catalyst from the Fox/Ginosaur et al Patent. Hopefully this will give everyone an idea as to how difficult the process really is and may shed some light on the ongoing mystery about this fabled process. It will take a little time for me to get this posted (this weekend), so let me know if you would like for me to do this. David Cruse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Solid Catalyst
Hi Arne, This is not the Patent on the biodiesel process ! David Cruse - Original Message - From: Arne P. Ryason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid Catalyst I just did a search of the US patent office website entered Fox AND Ginosar in the inventor terms search and got patent # 6,103,948: Solid catalyzed isoparafin alkylation at supercritical fluid and near-supercritical fluid conditions Abstract: This invention relates to an improved method for the alkylation reaction of isoparaffins with olefins over solid catalysts including contacting a mixture of an isoparaffin, an olefin and a phase-modifying material with a solid acid catalyst member under alkylation conversion conditions at either supercritical fluid, or near-supercritical fluid conditions, at a temperature and a pressure relative to the critical temperature(T.sub.c) and the critical pressure(P.sub.c) of the reaction mixture. The phase-modifying phase-modifying material is employed to promote the reaction's achievement of either a supercritical fluid state or a near-supercritical state while simultaneously allowing for decreased reaction temperature and longer catalyst life. (I'm not a chemist ) The assignee is Bechtel BWXT Idaho LLC of Idaho Falls, the biggest town near the INEEL. Although INEEL is a government lab it is populated with private corporate interests. Arne. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: solid catalyst
Hi Keith, Ok I'll post enough info so that everyone can at least understand the basics. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: solid catalyst Hi David, John David, I think a lot of people would be grateful if you'd post what you can of the patent. Thankyou. The Files section is not open for uploads by members, I have to do it. I don't mind doing it, if that seems a good idea. What format is it in now? Whatever, please post it as an email, the archives is much more often consulted than the Files section. If you head it something like INEEL Fox/Ginosar solid catalyst patent it shouldn't be hard to find! The archives search function works well, I find. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Hi David I would like to see the patent. If you could upload it into the files section instead of an email it may stay easier to find Regards JohnH --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David E. Cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith and Everyone, I would be glad to post a small part of the process using a solid catalyst from the Fox/Ginosaur et al Patent. Hopefully this will give everyone an idea as to how difficult the process really is and may shed some light on the ongoing mystery about this fabled process. It will take a little time for me to get this posted (this weekend), so let me know if you would like for me to do this. David Cruse Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
Hi Christian and Everyone, I'm not sure if you folks were in this group last year or not, but if you are interested in using solid catalyst or other methods to make biodiesel, might I suggest that you look in the US Patent office website www.uspto.gov . Just enter biodiesel in the search query box and you should get a wealth of information on the subject, or enter any other keyword that is associated with the subject and you will find many patents with lots of info that will help you with your questions. I mentioned last year and possibly the year before because there was a lot of discussion back then about all of these things. Search a little farther back in the archives of this group and you should find some of these subjects, a lot of research has already been done by members of this group, and it's just sitting there waiting to be accessed. The famed Fox/Ginosaur process using a solid catalyst, (which to this date) hasn't been used commercially, is on Delphion.com. I was lucky enough to download a copy of the Fox/Ginosaur patent from the Delphion website before they started charging a fee to access the International Patents. It is at best vague and very careful to be as vague as possible with all the info in the Patent. The Lockheed Martin Idaho Technologies Company is the company that actually owns the Patent and they don't seem to be rushing into production of biodiesel with the process so that should tell you that the process probably isn't all that good ! The USPTO website has a lot of other more practical info on how to make biodiesel with an alternate method, so give it a look and you may find something that will fit !! US Patent number 4,695,411 is a process to make biodiesel using hydrated ethanol, that is to say using ethanol with water in it. One problem that is always associated with using ethanol is, how obtain ethanol with no water content ! This Patent may not be practical, I don't know, but it may be of some help. You can search for millions of things that will be of help in all areas of any endeavor. Good Hunting, David Cruse - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst, In my humble opinion, the process described seems the counterpart to the alchemists recipe for turning lead into gold. A process as described would, as Dana said, revolutionize production. Count me into the subject, though I don«t know what you«re implying with this. Sure, when I find some time, I«ll try to look it up. Any hints regarding a little more detail on the process, or where it came from?... just so as to get started. I was currently trying to do some testing with hydrochloric and ethanol.. but my whole first attempt processor project (traditional NaOH Meth recipe) is currently quite delayed due to the fact that all imported goods have gone up by 40% in the past week (due to the currency problems here in Argentina). Hope to hear more on the subject Regards, Christian - Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst, Arne, I have not heard any further info on the process you describe. Of course this type of continuous process biodiesel/glycerin production would REVOLUTIONIZE home production of BD if made available. It would also work well in conjunction with the inexpensive WVO/SVO processing modules I am attempting to design and integrate. As I stated before even a very expensive catalyst module would pay for itself if shared by a group of users to maximize its use either by forming a cooperative around a shared WVO/SVO/biodiesel processor or by shipping the expensive catalyst module from one (otherwise inexpensive) home processor to another. I believe that this deserves more thorough investigation. Unfortunately, as you can see from my recent posts I already have a rather full plate. If there are three or four others that are willing to join forces to dig deeper I am more than willing to contribute to the effort as best I can. alarge oart of my living hinges on gathering intelligence but I can't do it on my own right now. Anyone else interested? Ed?,Keith? Others??? Dana --- Arne P. Ryason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any known progress on the INEEL process which uses a solid catalyst to produce biodiesel and food grade glycerin? Two scientists have developed a continuous process that eliminates the alcohol, base, acid, water wash steps of making biodiesel. Also, it is a continuous process, versus the batch process that is used now. The glycerin byproduct is food grade. Selling it would offset the refining process, making biodiesel competative with petrodiesel. Anyone with
Re: [biofuel] The Flood
Hi Greg, I checked out this website, found no wormgard. When you click on the address you have listed it goes to a site called analogx ! Regards, David Cruse - Original Message - From: greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Flood go to www.wormguard.com i have used it for about 2 months. they also have a trogan program.greg m - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Flood i think it was a worm or a trojan. from what it looks like on this end. greg m Dunno. No idea at all. Very puzzled. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] The Flood A virus sent them? Viruses are getting to be a real nuisance. Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 3:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] The Flood Sorry folks, I don't know what's going on here with this flood of mostly empty messages, but I've put a stop to it until I find out. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ List owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Energy Department Lab Develops Cleaner Fuel
Hi Andrew, The Fox / Ginosaur biodiesel Patent is assigned to Lockheed- Martin Idaho Technologies Company . It is at www.delphion.com , under a World Intellectual Property Organization International Patent ! Unfortunately delphion.com is now charging $75.00US a month to access their database of international patents ! Regards, David Cruse - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Energy Department Lab Develops Cleaner Fuel The article mentions at the end that the two researchers have obtained a provisional patent. Working at a national lab myself, I'm wondering how the details of their work can be kept out of the public view. Perhpas it's just a matter of time for them to share, but the patent is surely owed by INEEL not by them personally. -andrew --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably sold it to an energy company, in the national interest. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: [biofuel] Energy Department Lab Develops Cleaner Fuel Wonder what happened to Ginosar's famous better biodiesel method? See: http://ens.lycos.com/ens/mar99/1999L-03-11-02.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/zoU8wD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ethanol and ethyl esters apology
BlankHi Everyone, Sorry for the goof on the uspto website address. The right address is as Hanns said, www.uspto.gov . I guess I was a little tired at the time, I had read so many things last night. So please excuse the goof ! If anyone out there has any new info on using soapstock as a feedstock to make biodiesel I have been looking for a while now, and would appreciate anything anyone could pass on. Best Regards, David Cruse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ethanol and ethyl esters
BlankHi Everyone, Here is something of interest for all you folks interested in making and using ethanol in the biodiesel process. At www.uspto.com under patent number 4,695,411 there are 12 Examples of different ways to manufacture ethyl esters from different feedstocks. One Example uses cottonoil, another uses raw palm oil, several others use palm oil in different ways. One note of interest is the use of hydrated ethanol, that is to say ethanol with a water content of 1% to 60% !!! They use a first step acid transesterification and also use a regular base ( naoh or koh ) esterification with methanol or other alcohol as a second step. As always Patents are tough reading but the information in this Patent could yield some very helpful tips for those of you who want to use ethanol in your process. The Description section also says that the processes described can use vegetable or animal oil or greases. Another note of interest is the fact that the Patent was granted in September 1987 !! Best Regards, David Cruse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Support Grows for Corn-Based Fuel Despite Critics
Hi Keith and Everyone, I personally think that they will win by force of money and political influence. The financial might these corporations wield is enough to win in most any arena they enter. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Support Grows for Corn-Based Fuel Despite Critics I have a niggling feeling that 10 years from now, the environmentalists will be fighting the ethanol industry tooth and nail. anything can be done badly, and I expect the ADM's of the world will be successful in turning a clean renewable resource into a dirty unsustainable one.. Steve Spence Definitely a major worry. ADM, Cargill et al are already winning that future war, seems to me, with the likes of Club Sierra apparently preferring MTBE to ethanol, mainly through opposition to the ADMs, from what I can make out, and a misplaced concern about nitrate run-off from industrialised maize production, along with which party the corn-state senators belong to. They've completely confused ethanol and agribusiness. How can you win if you've got it all wrong in the first place? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:16 AM Subject: [biofuel] Support Grows for Corn-Based Fuel Despite Critics http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/23/business/23ETHA.html July 23, 2001 Support Grows for Corn-Based Fuel Despite Critics By LIZETTE ALVAREZ with DAVID BARBOZA WASHINGTON, July 22 - Supporters of ethanol, a fuel made from corn, are gaining in their push to make it a major part of the nation's energy policy, despite persistent doubts about its economic and environmental benefits. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Model American.........
Hi Christopher, Well said !! I notice that number 1. on your list is be self reliant ! In my time here on Earth I have also noticed that the folks who subscribe to this self evident truth that we all need to be self reliant in every way possible are always the people that care the most about each other and everything else that matters in our world. My hat is off to you Sir. Best Regards, David Cruse - Original Message - From: Christopher S. Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Model American. Personally I think the Model American is the keep up with the Jones got to make more money so I can buy more stuff on credit as long as I have my Cable TV and a Full Belly every thing is Fine why mess with the system because they're not messing with me type of person. These are the same type of people who don't vote because it doesn't matter any way then complain about how the gov runs things Instead of trying to change things. I personally am a member of several different groups(numerous) receive about 600 emails a day that I read (not counting the junk and Spam) try to learn as much as I can so that I can 1. be Self Reliant 2. Spread the Word to like minded people 3. ask the right questions to Public Officials (to include my representatives in gov.) and get the ball rolling 4. help teach and guide the young people in my neighborhood 5. keep the bad elements out of are family orientated neighborhood (i.e. no hookers,drug dealers,etc.) 6. Vote knowledgeable [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biz Plan (was)Quiet...
Hi Cordain, Have you looked for a bakery or a plant that turns out fried snacks like potato chips etc in your area, a donut company is also a good bet, for your oil needs ? You may have to go just a little farther than you anticipated for your oil supply. Restaurants are not always a good bet ! I would be interested in the generic business plan if you could post it. Regards, David Cruse - Original Message - From: doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:53 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biz Plan (was)Quiet... hello all, Well good news. I've made good progress on my business plan. The actual company outline/structure is really easy to write. However the marketing, research and competition portions have required tremendous amounts of localized research. This is a yet not realized market in my area so I'm having to write out several scenarios and then go through them with a fine tooth comb to find the most feasible, least costly but long term effective solutions. I'm also trying to minimize the costly trial and error process. To err is human, to err without forethought is silly. I forgot how tedious writing one of these things gets. But I'm painting a portrait not a house. So little strokes. My biggest challenge thus far has not even been the figuring out my budget or financial concerns as it has been finding an adequate WVO oil supply to keep up with my propossed plant size (1000 US Gallons input per 24 hours period). Of the 50 or so restaurants I've queried in my immediate area none of them [net totals] cycle out oil fast enough to meet my needs. (Which is quickly narrowing down the restaurants that I patronize.) Vegetable oil gets to the viscosity of used motor oil quickly with heavy usage. I dont understand trying to stretch the oil (topping off old oil), it makes the food taste like soap after a while. I've written in an incentive program into the model that compensates restaurants for their WVO, but I'm trying to avoid that for the moment. However I may wind up resorting to it, if WVO quality is too poor. I'm continuing my survey of surrounding zones (about 15 miles radious from propossed plant sites) for the the highest oil consumption. This will ultimatly decide where I put the plant. Recovery and distribution figures are the most easily controlled cost in my current model. I may wind up moving the project closer to Washington DC as it has a much higher ratio of restaurants per square mile. In any case I need to get back to researching and writing my back-up plans for the model. If anyone is interested I can post a generic WVO business plan (outline). It's more or less a fill in the blanks deal. No single business plan is going to work for every business and it's definetly a living document. It's not a cut and dry plan, but it will get you going in the correct direction. cheers, cordain dulles, va From: Pat McCotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet... Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:16:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [64.252.1.96] Received: from [64.211.240.232] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD18157B002D400438CE40D3F0E85300126; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:17:52 -0700 Received: from [10.1.4.55] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2001 10:16:31 - Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 13 Jul 2001 10:16:30 - Received: (qmail 28104 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2001 10:16:30 - Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2001 10:16:30 - Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.222) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Jul 2001 10:16:27 - Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:16:27 -0700 Received: from 64.252.1.96 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:16:26 GMT From sentto-3381553-252-995019391-ohwrd Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:19:47 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Apparently-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 10:16:27.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[E05044B0:01C10B84] Mailing-List: list biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for the kick. I just joined a couple days ago. I am walking, nay, running, to the archives right now to see if my questions can be answered concerning government regs in setting up a mini-refinery, taxation (I'm in Connecticut, US, and I see that UK does tax biodiesel) on sale of product, etc. I have talked to in power Democratic folks about it - Biodiesel? What's that? So, again, thanks for the kick. Pat _ Get your FREE
[biofuel] Was : Social effects Re:Rebel
Hi Kirk and Everyone, That`s what is so great about being from the South (Georgia) ! Everyone from the South is labeled from birth as a Rebel and as such we get to be as crazy and 'non-model American' as we like ! This is very convenient when someone expects you to go along with the rest of the crowd, because all you have to say is 'hell no I`m a Rebel' and I don`t like that bull you`re trying to run on me so 'take a hike' :-) ! David Cruse - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Social effects of motorized transport Model Americans need remodeling. :) Kirk -Original Message- From: Pat McCotter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 10:54 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Social effects of motorized transport The model American is the phrase used, Kirk. I don't buy vehicles just to buy vehicles either. I keep the one I have in good running condition until I no longer can, then I get another. I am not a model American. Auto manufacturers build for model Americans. City planning is for model Americans. Highway planning is for model Americans. Energy policy is for model Americans. From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Social effects of motorized transport Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:50:54 -0600 I drive 100 miles(roundtrip) once or twice a month to go grocery shopping. My auto is 25 years old. People that trade them in every 3 years are on the hamster wheel. I'm not. Kirk _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Mixing times for complete reactions
Hi Todd, Great post !! David Cruse - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: [biofuel] Mixing times for complete reactions I know that there are differing beliefs on this list as to required mixing times for reaction completion. We never had any need to vary mixing time beyond 2 hours until we got up to the 300 gallon level. What we found was that our mixing times changed relative to the motor we were limited to and the number of gallons being batched out. The limiting factors on the motor were amperage draw, available electric supply, etc, coupled with the propeller configuration to get vigorous mixing (too large a prop over amped the motor, too small resulted in slow attainment of homogeneity). Another variable was the tank geometry. Whereas most tanks are cylindrical and vertical, our prototype was a used 400 gallon stainless steel dairy cooling tank. (It was free, so we aren't complaining.) In such a tank, the far left and right regions of the tank don't receive as much agitation as the center area, which means a requisite longer reaction time than something akin to a 55 gallon drum - again, cylindrical and vertical. 100 gallon batches took ~8 hours, 300 gallons took ~24 to insure that the reaction was complete. Using nothing but shadetree ingenuity, completion here is being determined by subjecting a liter of supposedly finished product to the entire process a second time to determine if any more glycerin will drop out. (An antique gas chromatograph is on its way.) So, while 2 hours may be sufficient for a 55 gallon drum reactor, unless the agitator is increased in mechanical capacity to proportionally match the increase in fluid volume being processed, we strongly suggest increased reaction times when upscaling, until such a time as the exact completion point can be determined by the operator. It's a whole heck of a lot easier to increase reaction time until the appropriate time window can be determined than ending up with a passel of mega-emulsifying mono- and di-glycerides from an incomplete reaction - read mayonnaise - and suffering deflating bouts of biodiesel despair. (Been that. Done there.) Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] a question.....
Hi Gerry, That sounds like you are paying too much for the methanol. I don`t know where you are located, but if you`re near a large city, try the yellow pages under Chemicals. You should be able to find a supplier that will give you a decent price. Here in Atlanta,Ga. I can buy a 55gal. drum for $2.75 a gallon and that includes delivery, or you can pickup smaller amounts for the same price. Congrats on getting started. David Cruse - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] a question. Got all the chemicals and a bucket of pure McDonald's waste veg oil. Will be going thru the learning curve soon. The methanol was real expensive, US$35 per 5gal drum. Anyone got the price for methanol in bulk and the recovery rate of the home made distiller. Figured that the bulk price and methanol recovery would made me decide whether it can be commercialised. Gerry Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] cost
Hi Keith Steve, I would like to know an easy way, if there is one, to figure what my cost will be, in a gallon of biodiesel, in any given batch that I process. How do you figure in your start up costs i.e. equipment, chemicals, etc. ? Thanks, David Cruse P.S. Congrats on the new site. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [biofuels-biz] cost
Hi Pedro, No specific amount, just bottom line cost on any amount produced. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Pedro M. To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] cost To produce how many liters ??? ( i.e. 3.000 l)??? Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolferoLa solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://sitio.de/energiahttp://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ - Original Message - From: david e cruse To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] cost Hi Keith Steve, I would like to know an easy way, if there is one, to figure what my cost will be, in a gallon of biodiesel, in any given batch that I process. How do you figure in your start up costs i.e. equipment, chemicals, etc. ? Thanks, David Cruse P.S. Congrats on the new site.Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Foreverhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlBiofuel at WebConXhttp://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htmTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [biofuels-biz] Greetings
Hi Cordain, Can`t be of much help on your questions about these things, but just wanted to say thanks for your answers to my question about costs. David Cruse Atlanta,Ga. - Original Message - From: doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:31 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Greetings Greetings my name is Cordain Lucas I am also on Biofuels and BFIC. I joined this list because I am looking for more information on getting funding, licensing, trading requirements, safety requirements, insurance, distribution and marketing, and so on and on, nor about the special requirements of biofuels operations in these areas. As Keith Addison put it. I am in the long process of getting a 1k gpd RVO bio-diesel plant up and operational. Insert Theme to 'Impossible Dream' But as such am buried behind a stack of papers that has taken over my home and all my free time. BTW I still work a full time job until I start generating capitol or find some wealthy investors. Does anyone have Woody Allen's phone number? I have alot of questions about licensing, special permits (federal I'll be doing the VA state stuff soon). As I am writing my business plan right now my main questions right now have to deal with collection and distribution. What are folks using to collect mass quantities of used vegetable oil? Also what kind of contract is necessary for waste oil collection? (I know what a contract is, and I could have my lawyer draft one easily, but I'm more concerned about specifics that I may not think to have him include or possible oversights) . I have hundreds more questions but I need to keep myself organized and I'm sure as this list picks up alot of them will be answered. I look forward to chatting with you folks. Also since I'm at it if your looking for free/confidential counseling to starting your business check out www.score.org and www.sba.gov. These are both government programs or agencies so I didnt get payed to say that. cheers, Cordain Lucas Dulles, VA _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] CMS Paragon mini turbine
Hi David R., Thanks for the info. Off the topic of miniturbines---What is the best way to figure the cost per gallon of the biodiesel you make, is there a general formula or do you have to figure down to the smallest expense you incur , and tally everything up, and then do an average on the whole thing ? Just wondering ! David C. - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] CMS Paragon mini turbine Hi David C and others who are interested, Just received the following reply re Paragon mini turbine. B.r., David Mr Reid: As EPI is currently testing our first unit at a land fill site in New Jersey, firm technical data and costs will not be available until such time as testing is complete and we are moving toward full production. We can only predict that this will occur sometime this year. It is our intent to test our (CMS) field unit in Canada on a flare gas application. Thank you for your interest. Kyle King Canadian Microturbine Systems David Reid wrote: Jim, Would like some more info on your Paragon series Micro Turbine at some point (no hurry) including indicative prices. Thanks. Best regards, David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] 78 Wade River Rd, Whangaparaoa, Auckland 1463, New Zealand -- Jim Fiddler -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] French Fry Fuel - Associated Press/ABC Article
Hi Jerry, The price of diesel here in Georgia USA is $1.30 9/10 to $1.39 9/10 right now. I travel the Interstate hwy every day so I see a lot of truckstops, I`ll be glad to keep the prices posted if it will help. David Cruse - Original Message - From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] French Fry Fuel - Associated Press/ABC Article Hi Ed and All, 100% biodiesel costs between $.30 and $1.40 a gal to make depending on your source of feedstock. Heating oil, slightly better grade of diesel sells in the $.75 / $.80 a gal on the spot market now. As many biodiesel makers get their feedstock for almost free biodiesel would cost about the same as diesel if there was enough supply. Adding 10/20% biodiesel to diesel shouldn't raise the price much if at all. Taxes not included, YMMV. jerry dycus --- NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three Times the Price Because biodiesel costs three times as much as regular diesel, adding biodiesel even in small amounts raises the cost of the fuel by several cents per gallon. It was selling in Sparks for $1.62 per gallon. What's the average price of diesel in Nevada at this time...anyone know? 54 cents a gallon? Ed B. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The MN Way
Hi Dana Ed, Here are some of the current microturbine websites: www.microturbine.com this is the Capstone Corp. site www.honeywell.com this is the Honeywell/Allied Signal site, they sell the Parallon 75 microturbine. www.ingersoll-rand.com they have a good lineup and are adding more in the near future. www.iesl.com these folks are distributors for Elliot microturbines, Elliot has a 45kw unit at present and are adding an 80kw and 200kw unit soon, before the year is out. www.bowmanpower.co.uk these folks will have a unit out soon also. www.cmspower.com these folks are in Canada and have by far what will be one of the best if not the very BEST unit to hit the market before years end. Their opening shot will be a 500kw microturbine featuring a disk turbine, it will have a 20 year life span and can be rebuilt with less than 20 off the shelf components, first maintenance will be at 5 years and that will consist of changing fluids and that`s it. It will have an unheard of for a microturbine top rpm of 3600 rpm. With more units with higher kw ratings to follow soon, all in all I would say they look pretty impressive !! - Original Message - From: NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The MN Way Who had the info on building experimental from automotive turbochargers? Steve? Saw it somewhere, used for R/C model helos, I think. Anyway, Capstone is building and shipping. Don't know cost. Anyone have the link for them? Ed B. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The MN Way Keith, Mn has no energy resources save for wind, sun,and bio. We also have very long cold winters that give each MN citizen an annual and unavoidable high energy bill. However, in honor of Pres. Bush Jr. visit we also had a rolling blackout 3 days ago that shut down some schools and businesses in the southern part of the state. Can you give me a little more information on microturbines? Thanks, Dana Hi Dana Not my strong point, got some (necessary) learning to do there. Maybe Steve Spence can help you though. Sorry! Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Misinformation and Scare Tactics
OK folks, Jimmy only had one term in office, but by golly he gave it his best shot. Ronald the raygun tried to wipe out everything Jimmy started and darn near suceeded. For a peanut farmer Jimmy did pretty good and is still a good man . Another Georgia boy, David Cruse - Original Message - From: doctor who [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:46 PM Subject: [biofuel] Misinformation and Scare Tactics Please feel free to distribute this, but please keep the link and author attached. This article copyright THE washingtonpost.com and the normal jibberish here. reagards, cordain -- http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37159-2001May16.html Misinformation and Scare Tactics By Jimmy Carter Thursday, May 17, 2001; Page A23 It has been more than 20 years since our country developed a comprehensive energy policy. It is important for President Bush and Congress to take another look at this important issue, but not based on misleading statements made lately by high administration officials. These comments have distorted history and future needs. I was governor of Georgia during the administration of Richard Nixon, when a combination of oil shortages and an OPEC boycott produced a real energy crisis in the United States. Five years later, the Iran-Iraq war shut off 4 million barrels of the world's daily oil supplies almost overnight, and the price of energy more than doubled in just 12 months. This caused a wave of inflation in all industrialized countries and created energy shortages. As before, there were long lines of vehicles at service stations, with drivers eager to pay even astronomical prices for available fuel. No energy crisis exists now that equates in any way with those we faced in 1973 and 1979. World supplies are adequate and reasonably stable, price fluctuations are cyclical, reserves are plentiful, and automobiles aren't waiting in line at service stations. Exaggerated claims seem designed to promote some long-frustrated ambitions of the oil industry at the expense of environmental quality. Also contrary to recent statements by top officials, a bipartisan Congress worked closely with me for four years to create a well-balanced approach to the problem. No influential person ever spoke exclusively of conservation, and my administration never believed that we could simply conserve or ration our way out of any energy crisis. On the contrary, we emphasized both energy conservation and the increased production of oil, gas, coal and solar energy. Permanent laws were laboriously hammered out that brought an unprecedented commitment to efficient use of energy supplies. We mandated improved home insulation, energy savings in the design of industrial equipment and home appliances and a step-by-step increase in gas mileage of all automobiles manufactured in our country. When I was inaugurated, American vehicles were averaging only 12 miles per gallon. Today, new cars reach more than twice this gas mileage, which would be much higher except for the failure to maintain the efficiency standards, beginning in the Reagan years. (Gas mileage has actually gone down during the past five years.) Official statistics published by the departments of energy and labor reveal the facts: Since I signed the final energy bills in 1980, America's gross national product has increased by 90 percent, while total energy consumption went up only 26 percent. Our emphasis on coal and other sources of energy and improved efficiency has limited petroleum consumption to an increase of only 12 percent. During this time, non-energy prices have risen 2 1/2 times as much as energy prices, and gasoline prices have actually declined by 41 percent, in real terms and even including the temporary surge in the past two years. Although these energy conservation decisions have been criticized as a sign of [my] personal virtue, it is clear that the benefits have resulted from a commitment to improved technology, with extremely beneficial results for American consumers, business and commerce. Top executives in the oil industry should acknowledge their tremendous freedom to explore, extract and market oil and gas products that resulted from the decisions made by Congress during my term in Washington. In fact, our most difficult legislative battle was over the deregulation of oil and gas prices, designed so that competitive prices would both discourage the waste of energy and promote exploration for new sources of petroleum products. At the end of 1980, every available drilling rig in the United States was being utilized at full capacity, and dependence on foreign imports was falling rapidly. Despite these facts, some officials are using misinformation and scare tactics to justify such environmental atrocities as drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. The Alaska National
Re: [biofuel] Re: Misinformation and Scare Tactics
Hi Andrew, Thanks for the compliment on Jimmy. Yeah he was definitely a whiz kid ! David Cruse - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Misinformation and Scare Tactics --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip For a peanut farmer Jimmy did pretty good and is still a good man . Jimmy is a great man, but you know the whole peanut farmer thing, although true, has always been a PR thing to make him appeal to the common man. The man has a PhD in AstroPhysics. -andrew Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The MN Way
Hi David R., Just kidding about the honey :-). I have heard a lot about manuka honey, but not the others you mention. The mites are a problem everywhere I hear. I know you are probably right about the price on the CMS unit, but let me know when you get any info. Thanks, David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The MN Way Hi David, Thanks. Have sent them an e-mail saying I wouldnt mind some information and an indicative price in due course but no hurry. Dont think it will be too cheap somehow. O.T.We certainly had some of the best honey in the world here and there was a multimillion dollar business exporting queen bees all over the world particularly to the northern hemisphere because we had none of the diseases that most northern hemisphere countries have until last year until the varroa bee mite was introduced either accidentally or deliberately. The feeling is that it may have been deliberate but without any smoking gun who is to say. I have just opened the local paper which has just been delivered asI came in and there on the front page is an article titled Feeling sting of varroa bee mite. Some of our native flora honeys are delicious with ones like manuka having very strong proven anti-viral and other health benefits. As a result the price for this type of honey has hit the roof in comparison to what it used to be with most going to health food pharmacy shops overseas. If you get a chance try it and I am sure you will really enjoy it.(a liquid honey so very different to a lot of white clover honey which tastes as if it has wax in it by comparison. Red clover is a lot better. Others that are really nice are Pohutakawa (our native Xmas tree which grows round the coast with dark green leaves and which flowers with a bright red flower right on Xmas. Very beautiful) and Rata (another native that starts out as a vine in the bush proper being a saphrophyte and which turns into a massive tree, again with a flower very similar to Pohutakawa Travelling around NZ in the bush areas around Xmas time again, although this one flowers for a much longer time, one is impressed by the sheer beauty of these. There is quite a number of honey gift packs made up of various honeys available and they are sent all over the world. - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The MN Way Hi David R., Nothing yet on the price David. I think their plans are for the fourth quarter, if they don`t make that date it will be spring 2002. It would be an extremely good unit to go with biodiesel as the fuel. What`s amazing about the whole thing is that the entire unit is being built with widely and readily available on the shelf components ! Got to hand it to those UK chaps from Canada, a real sharp bunch ! Must be those Northern Lights . I have to say also that they have the best honey in the world so far ! I haven`t had any honey from New Zealand yet and I hear the bees there make a great honey. David C. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Revised reactor schematic ver1bMa
Hi Ian, Excellent work ! Your efforts are greatly appreciated ! David Cruse - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Revised reactor schematic ver1bMa sorry, heres the link http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/reac1bMa.gif - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: [biofuel] Revised reactor schematic ver1bMa This is a new revised layout with some changes ive made to my own system. Ive also included the methoxide mixing tank. Again this is still beta format. Anyone using this schematic as a guide to helping build a system, I give no gaurantees as to its effectiveness. So, if you get squirted with something nasty, its not my fault ;) Ive saved it as a gif this time, remeber (sorry got a cold) if you want to print it use landscape and fit to printer, in printer options. Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] step by step schematic of 2 stage biod process
HI Ian, Well you`ve really done it this time ! It is absolutely fantastic ! A Gold Star effort without a doubt. David Cruse - Original Message - From: ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: [biofuel] step by step schematic of 2 stage biod process Here is a step by step sequence of my tank in action using the Alecs Kac 2 stage process. http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/2stage.jpg It can be used in other ways. You'll notice on schematic react1a.jpg -http://www.hammaskeep.demon.co.uk/react1a.jpg I have installed a drying holding tank, this frees up the system to keep on producing. The process is the same. Ian NB its a 400k download Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hi Keith and Terry at Biofuels and Aleks if you`re out there, Forget the lipase thing I brought up and take a look at this at www.delphion.com , WO 00/05327. This is the process I was looking for to begin with. There are references to it all over the web. It says that a wide range of both liquid and solid catalyst can be used and it tells what can be used as a solid catalyst and how to use it! This may be one of those that is too difficult to do things . Maybe Aleks could make it a practical process to do. They mention a device called a product separator and using temperature and pressure in the process so anyway please give it a look you guys. After all is said and done it sounds like a way all of us could make use of , if it could be worked out. I can`t think of who suggested delphion at the moment, I think it was Ed I`m not sure, but anyway thank you whoever it was. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice link to patent. Appears, at first reading, to confirm my suspicions - 1. Enzymes are too specific to be of any use if transesterifying used oils/fats 2. Process is very labour intensive 3. Process is not cost-effective Anyone think different? Hi Terry That's my impression too, but I'm rather waiting for some results from Aleks. He's been quiet though, maybe he's on holiday. I reckon if there's an effective way of doing it, Aleks'll find it. He was certainly determined, got the bit between his teeth. David Cruse, you're doing right well, please keep it up. I suggest you do a search for lipase in the list message archives, you'll find quite a lot: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/messages This, for instance: A small quantity of porcine lipase can be purchased from Worthington http://www.worthington-biochem/com/priceList/L/Lipase.html for US$21. There is also some good info at http://www.worthington-biochem/manual/L/PL.html Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] using glycerol as BD extender!
Hi Michael, Didn`t see your post before I made my reply to Keith and Terry. If you have time and it sounds like you have some nice equipment; take a look at www.delphion.com under biodiesel at WO 00/05327 and see what you think. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Michael Aereboe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 5:55 AM Subject: [biofuel] using glycerol as BD extender! well these patent searches are really interesting. heres an example where glycerol is derivatised further under acidic conditions to form glycerol ethers and adds favourable properties to BD as well as using the glycerol as fuel! uNFORTUNATELY THE ETHERIFICATION OF GLYCEROL IS DONE AT 80c/320 PSI. I HAVE A 10 MM stainless steel pressure vessel (100 l) with heating mantel and pressure dome so at some point i may get around to looking into this. TX MIKE. EXAMPLE As a practical example of the described process, it is to be understood that approximately 137.5 lbs/hr of soy oil, 40 lbs/hr methanol and 0.1775 lbs/hr of sodium hydroxide can be entered to continuously stirred tank Reaction unit (1) which is operated at 20 psig and approximately 80 degrees centigrade. Said conditions providing essentially 100% conversion of entered triglycerides to fatty acids and methyl esters. Phase separation in Separator unit (2) provides methyl esters in an upper location, and a mixture of glycerol and approximately 10-15 wt % residual methyl esters, methanol and base at a lower location. Approximately 14 lbs/hr of glycerol phase is then neutralized, present methanol flashed off, and the results sent to a continuously stirred Reaction unit (5) which is operated at 80 degrees centigrade and 320 psig. Said Reaction unit (5) also has present therein approximately 4 wt % Amberlyst-15 catalyst with a residence time of 2 hrs. Approximately 17.5 lbs/hr isobutylene is also fed to Reaction unit (5). Said conditions provide for the following approximate flow stream (K) composition, in (wt %): __ TRI- MONO- ISO-METHYL- ETHER DIETHER ETHER GLYCEROL BUTYLENE ESTERS __ 9%47% 21% 5% 14% 4% __ The flow stream (K) is then caused to pass through Flash unit (6) and Extraction unit (7) such that diethers, triethers, methyl esters and trace monoethers are formed into flow stream (O) and added back to the bulk methyl esters present in flow stream (F) to provide the present invention Biodiesel fuel. The final product Biodiesel fuel is produced at approximately 145 lbs/hr and consists of approximately, (in wt %): __ ETHERS METHYL ESTERS __ 12% 88% __ Said produced Biodeisel has a kinematic viscosity of 5.94 cst at 70 degrees Fahrenheit and a Cloud-point of 23 degrees Fahrenheit, which is a greater than 0.5 cSt reduction in viscosity and 9 degree Cloud-point depression compared to Biodiesel without glycerol ethers present. Briefly, the present invention process then comprises providing Triglycerides which are reacted in a liquid phase reaction with methanol and a homogeneous basic catalyst, said reaction yielding a spatially separated two phase result with an upper located non-polar phase consisting principally of non-polar methyl esters and a lower located phase consisting principally of glycerol and residual methyl esters. At least the glycerol phase, is passed through a strong cationic ion exchanger to remove anions, resulting in a neutral product which is flashed to remove methanol and which is reacted with isobutylene in the presence of a strong acid catalyst to produce glycerol ethers. The glycerol ethers are then added back to the upper located methyl ethyl ester phase to provide an improved present invention biodiesel fuel. Turning now to FIGS. 2a-2c there is shown details of a specific Heat Exchange/Reactor unit. As mentioned infra herein, the Transesterification unit (1) can consist of one or more, (up to hundreds or even thousands), heated tube(s), each optionally containing a static mixer (SM) configured as shown in FIGS. 2a-2c. FIG. 2a shows a side cross-sectional view indicating the presence of Feed Tubes (FT), and Feed-In means for entering Triglyceride (A), Base (NaOH, KOH etc.) (B) and Methanol (C) streams thereto. Also indicated are Steam/Heating-Fluid entering means, and Steam/Heating Fluid-Out and Product-Out means. FIG. 2b shows an elevational end-on view, and FIG. 2c shows a detail of a single Feed Tube (FT) within which is present a Static Mixer (SM). In use triglycerides are caused feed-In Feed Tubes (FT) at said Feed-In means, and steam or heating fluid is caused to flow over the Feed-Tubes, to the end that the
Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 4/29/01
Hi B. Mulliken, All fuel cells that I have seen on the market so far are reformers and what they reform is a fossil fuel such as natural gas, methanol, ( methanol from synthesis of fossil fuel such as natural gas), and other unpleasant fossil derived things! Plug Power is a major player here in Georgia,US . They cut a deal with Flint Energies to be their exclusive provider of fuel cells in 100 of 159 counties in Georgia. And wouldn`t you just know it, you have to have a natural gas line to your house to get one of the things !! How convenient for Flint Energies ! Lets all give a big round of applause for Flint Energies, they are so thoughtful and green ha in a pigs eye ! As I said so far all I`ve seen are fuel cells that reform some sort of fossil derived electrolyte. Gasoline and diesel using fuel cells are being worked on also, and they can use propane also. They say that a fuel cell using just plain water as the electrolyte is to hard to mass produce ( they have them in the space shuttle ), so your choices are being defined by the big petroleum boys once again !! David Cruse - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of Keith Addison) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: [biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 4/29/01 ENERGIES... week of April 29 2001, HUNDREDS OR MILLIONS? In the U.S., Vice President Dick Cheney stated that the nation needs to build 1300 -1900 large-scale power plants during the next 20 years. Clean coal and nuclear has been suggested. An additional option, aside from building more large-scale renewable generation facilities, would be a national effort to bring small-scale power generation into homes and businesses. Distributed and home power systems - fuel cell, solar, wind, or clean combustion - could be environmentally clean, provide reliable power and create new business opportunities for equipment manufacturers, installers and, depending on the technology, fuel suppliers. Individual home and business power plants would lessen the demand on the grid, so fewer large power plants would need to be built. Instead of building hundreds large-scale facilities maybe we need millions at a much smaller scale. Companies are rapidly developing power plants for home use. IdaTech, a division of IDACORP has delivered a 3 kilowatt fuel cell power plant to the Research and Development Division of Electricite de France (EDF). The small cogenerator was developed to supply all the electricity - plus heat - for the average single-family home. The fuel for this particular unit is methanol, but future models are being designed to run on natural gas, propane, diesel and other conventional fuels. Methane, the common waste gas from all homes, is also possible, though not mentioned by IdaTech. Commercialization of IdaTech's home fuel cell is aimed for 2003. EDF would possibly become a distributor at that time. Visit IdaTech at http://www.idatech.com/ . HYDROGEN EVERYWHERE. Not surprisingly most major oil companies have shown an interest in hydrogen fuel cells for vehicles. They control the fuel and fueling infrastructure for cars and trucks and, naturally, would like to continue in that position by selling hydrogen extracted from fossil fuels. Yet hydrogen is everywhere on the planet, though in nature the single proton is almost always bonded to other atoms. Millennium Cell has announced that initial testing with DaimlerChrysler of its Hydrogen on Demand (tm) system for automotive applications has been completed successfully. Hydrogen on Demand eliminates the need for hydrogen storage since it is produced as needed by the fuel cell. The Millennium Cell process is to collect hydrogen released from the reaction of water and sodium borohydride. When the two are combined in the presence of catalyst, hydrogen or electricity is produced. Electricity can be used directly. Hydrogen would fuel a fuel cell or be fed into a combustion engine. Sodium borohydride is a derivative of borax. Fossil fuels are not needed with this technology, which if proven viable would not be met warmly by the old-guard oil industry. Visit Millennium Cell at http://www.millenniumcell.com/ . WIND WATCH. After one Danish energy expert predicted this week that wind energy would supply 10 percent of the world's energy demands in 20 years, shares for Vestas Wind Systems and NEG Micon shot skyward. The expert claimed that the wind energy industry in Denmark could be akin to the busy automobile industry in Germany and France. Vestas announced it will be selling 123 V-47 660 kilowatt turbines to the Sadid Industrial Group in Iran along with the know-how for the local construction of towers and turbine blades.
Re: Ginosar Model was Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hi Todd, You`re right . But they do give a list of the solid inorganic oxides which are among those used in the process described in claim 8 . Maybe someone among us can help with this stuff. I`m going to talk to two of my friends here who have some knowledge of this sort of chemistry. If that don`t work I`ll think of some other way. It can be unraveled. The benefits are just too good not to try . David Cruse - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Ginosar Model was Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes This is the famous Fox/Ginosar process - but they won't tell anybody what the permanent catalyst is! .. Could be a Lewis acid or base or similar such - solids which act as acids at high temps. They are descriptive of higher heat and pressures. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hi David R.. I guess one of those will cost about a few thousand or so, but I do like this one over the lipase deal. Anyway I`m hoping that it could work for us all and open up a better way. I`ll try to find out if the equipment can be put together for a reasonable amount. I have a catalogue from a chem/ equip house, and there is a lot on the web. - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes David C, Have just looked at the abstract at this point but suspect they may mean a centrifugal separator such as an Alfa Laval or Sharples at this point. B.r., David - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes They mention a device called a product separator and using temperature and pressure in the process so anyway please give it a look you guys. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 4/29/01
Hi Keith, That`s a trade secret!! You know I was thinking the same thing about the fuel cells. Of course they will never think of it, they have been breathing petrol fumes to long and are hopelessly addicted. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 4/29/01 Hi David Hi B. Mulliken, He ain't there - I get this newsletter and usually forward it to the list. All fuel cells that I have seen on the market so far are reformers and what they reform is a fossil fuel such as natural gas, methanol, ( methanol from synthesis of fossil fuel such as natural gas), and other unpleasant fossil derived things! Yep. Plug Power is a major player here in Georgia,US . They cut a deal with Flint Energies to be their exclusive provider of fuel cells in 100 of 159 counties in Georgia. And wouldn`t you just know it, you have to have a natural gas line to your house to get one of the things !! How convenient for Flint Energies ! Lets all give a big round of applause for Flint Energies, they are so thoughtful and green ha in a pigs eye ! As I said so far all I`ve seen are fuel cells that reform some sort of fossil derived electrolyte. Gasoline and diesel using fuel cells are being worked on also, and they can use propane also. They say that a fuel cell using just plain water as the electrolyte is to hard to mass produce ( they have them in the space shuttle ), so your choices are being defined by the big petroleum boys once again !! Absolutely right. Nonetheless, the gasoline/diesel bit is interesting - if they can use diesel, can they use biodiesel? If they can use gasoline, can they use bioethanol? By the way, David, you've got me really puzzled - how DO you get two spaces in between each word?? Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ David Cruse - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of Keith Addison) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: [biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 4/29/01 ENERGIES... week of April 29 2001, HUNDREDS OR MILLIONS? In the U.S., Vice President Dick Cheney stated that the nation needs to build 1300 -1900 large-scale power plants during the next 20 years. Clean coal and nuclear has been suggested. An additional option, aside from building more large-scale renewable generation facilities, would be a national effort to bring small-scale power generation into homes and businesses. snip Visit Green Energy News on the Web at http://www.nrglink.com/ . For free ENERGIES subscription contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright Green Energy News Inc. 5/5/01 vol.6 no.5 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 4/29/01
Hi Terry, Don`t know that one. But heard many times that their fuell cells use plain water. They have probably developed more technology with the solar panels. I don`t go to the NASA site too often, and there are other space tech sites I don`t check in too often. You`re probably right. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 4/29/01 Doesn't the fuel cell in the shuttle use energy from the solar panels to produce the electricity to produce the hydrogen to produce the electricity? We could do that down here. If we had enough room. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hi David R. Distillation does seem to be the way, the Gen. Mgr. at OAE says that`s the way they use, and they have a million gals. a yr. ! David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Points to start and research: (From the Woollatt book but remember published 1985). Bleaching and the treatment of Distillates with ion-exchange resins to upgrade quality : initial bleaching with 0.2-2.0% activated carbon ion-exchange resins from Rohm and Haas instead of or after a.c. [Macrorecticular resins (which have large discrete pores capable of removing relatively large molecular mass compounds from the liquid) are normally best for this duty which demands the removal of organic, rather than ionic, impurities ]. Sound ideal in this instance to me. eg: Amberlite 200 or 200C - strong cation resin . Amberlite IRA-93 - weak base anion resin. Amberlite IRA-900 - strong base anion resin Deodorization, using heat and open steam, under vacuum, following treatment often necessary. Production of refined grades of glycerine without distillation: Ion exclusion: process developed by Dow Chemical Co and reviewed in paper by D'Souza (1979) using a bed of granular resin such as Dowex WX8 allowed partial purification which could then be completed by ion-exchange. Ion-exchange process sounds okay but regeneration using hydrochloric or sulphuric acids for the cation resins and caustic soda for the anion resin dosnt sound really feasible or realistic for a small plant. Would also not be economic I believe. Lever Bros installed a plant in L.A. designed by Illinois Water Treatment Co in 1951 but would seriously doubt this was still in operation. Dosnt sound too promising. Distillation still seems to be the preferred method. Reverse Osmosis also dosnt sound too promising although there could have been developments in the last 15 years. Refs: Sourirajan and Kimura (1967), review Sourirajan and Matsuura (1982). B.r., David - Original Message - From: Biofuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes This is the famous Fox/Ginosar process - but they won't tell anybody what the permanent catalyst is! I do know it involves polymers, but that is all. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hi David R, Cool ! A cream separator , ok. David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Hi David C, A good quality Alfa Laval cream separator might do the majority of it and you might then be able to ship it to a more central point for ion-exchange resin treatment and distillation or whatever is required. B.r., David - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Hi David R.. I guess one of those will cost about a few thousand or so, but I do like this one over the lipase deal. Anyway I`m hoping that it could work for us all and open up a better way. I`ll try to find out if the equipment can be put together for a reasonable amount. I have a catalogue from a chem/ equip house, and there is a lot on the web. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hi David R., I agree, glycerol is an opportunity for everyone to offset some expenses if not make a good profit for the effort. Better green folks than the big corporate types, and besides that with a little economic muscle among the green, we could bring some impact to the market place. I know and you also that they have the advantage, but the sun don`t shine on the same dog`s ass forever ! And I`m not about to ever give them an inch under any circumstance, and I ain`t afraid to try my best! David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Hi David, Most of the modern synthetic glycerine plants seem to be based on technology similar to the original Shell process based on propylene. Woollatt in his book says: Considerable problems were experienced initially, particularly as regards purification, but the quality of modern synthetic glycerine is very high. Indeed, refiners of natural glycerine have sometimes found it difficult to match. Perhaps this opens up another avenue of research and there may be aspects of the modern technology that could be easily applied to the refining of natural glycerine in small quantities. One of the other comments that Woollatt makes in talking about the manufacture of synthetic glycerine being outside the scope of this book is: but it can be said that the natural material should always be able to compete. He points out because glycerol must be released when fats are saponified, or split, the marginal cost of recovering it is likely to be below the cost of making the synthetic equivalent. In this respect I believe the rapidly emerging and expanding Biodiesel industry has a golden opportunity in its hands which can do nothing but make the product more viable. Perhaps one ot two of you English guys should try tracking Edgar Woollatt (Consultant, British Executive Service Overseas and formerly Development Manager, Lever Bros Ltd, Cheshire) down. He is probably in his 70s I imagine and may no longer be up with the play but would be a goldmine of information. How about you Simon Wells? B.r., David Distillation does seem to be the way, the Gen. Mgr. at OAE says that`s the way they use, and they have a million gals. a yr. ! David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hey Todd, That sounds great , and would be fantastic ! Thank you. I am not in a rural area here so we are going to have to deal with that by either leasing , or purchasing a couple of acres to put up a facility. We want to produce power with the biodiesel as our fuel, that way we can have the electricity to use, and put on the grid. The vice president of our local Electric Membership Coop has given me the assurance that they will give us a purchase agreement when we are ready. But that is going to be a rough go getting everything together in the right way so it all works without too many problems. I`m not trying to take too hugh of a leap by skipping the standard methods that can be done on a now basis, but the Ginosar method sounds like a great way to go if possible! I stress possible!! Otherwise it would be dumb not to use what works. Thanks, David Cruse - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Check the patent further. They may also have meant an Ion-exchange column separator. I dont know; I only quickly looked at the abstract. Sometimes also patents are deliberately confusing so they cover their ass either way. I just think a cream separator might do it quite well because of the different S.G.s of Biodiesel and Glycerine. Todd your input and comments appreciated here. B.r., David .. David, Appal's chemist and I discussed Ginosar's methodology when we first saw the article last year. That conversation briefly touched on Lewis acids and resin coated polymers. We let it lay, as the process was not very real world for our limited startup. I've forwarded Ginosar's patent location to him and asked him to review it. He has been researching patents continually over the past months and may have already stumbled upon it. We'll see. Although the topic of moving away from soluble catalyst keeps surfacing, we continue to pursue the traditional method of manufacture with small scale glycerin refining and potassium phosphate recovery. This seems to be the best start up method for a micro-facility in an agricultural setting. That is unless something like Ginosar's method becomes even remotely available before we can reach the next plateau. It's not that far of a reach to pursue the solid catalyst method though. The high boiler heat requirement is already present in a plant that is distilling glycerin, as is the familiarity with pressure rated systems. Let me see what the good Doctor says. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes
Hi Todd, Sorry didn`t look before I replied to your message to David Reid. Anyway I would have sent it to you anyway. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Enzymes Check the patent further. They may also have meant an Ion-exchange column separator. I dont know; I only quickly looked at the abstract. Sometimes also patents are deliberately confusing so they cover their ass either way. I just think a cream separator might do it quite well because of the different S.G.s of Biodiesel and Glycerine. Todd your input and comments appreciated here. B.r., David .. David, Appal's chemist and I discussed Ginosar's methodology when we first saw the article last year. That conversation briefly touched on Lewis acids and resin coated polymers. We let it lay, as the process was not very real world for our limited startup. I've forwarded Ginosar's patent location to him and asked him to review it. He has been researching patents continually over the past months and may have already stumbled upon it. We'll see. Although the topic of moving away from soluble catalyst keeps surfacing, we continue to pursue the traditional method of manufacture with small scale glycerin refining and potassium phosphate recovery. This seems to be the best start up method for a micro-facility in an agricultural setting. That is unless something like Ginosar's method becomes even remotely available before we can reach the next plateau. It's not that far of a reach to pursue the solid catalyst method though. The high boiler heat requirement is already present in a plant that is distilling glycerin, as is the familiarity with pressure rated systems. Let me see what the good Doctor says. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Solid Catalyst was Re: [biofuel] washing bio-diesel
Hi Todd, Just found process using lipase enzymes as catalyst to make biodiesel . Makes glycerol recovery easy, has minimal waste residues, you can recycle your catalyst, and you can use high fatty acid feedstock, low reaction temperatures, and get a high conversion rate ! I haven`t read all of the text yet . I`m looking for the process to use soap as a feedstock also. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:26 AM Subject: Solid Catalyst was Re: [biofuel] washing bio-diesel Hi Folks, Could someone please tell those of us who don`t know. What do you use as a solid catalyst ? And explain the way to use it . Thanks, David Cruse ... David, There have been trials using non-dissolvable catalysts that are large enough in size to remain in a screened but open container or to filter easily and return to the reaction phase. Such a process would reduce the wash steps considerably and yield a less contaminated glycerin. Everything seems to be pretty hush hush, as patents and funding are being sought. But just around the corner? Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Solid Catalyst was Re: [biofuel] washing bio-diesel
Hi David R. Go to www.uspto.gov and click on patents, click on number, type in 5,713,965, leave out the commas, and take a look ! It`s a 14 page document. You can also click on advanced boolean search under patents and enter biodiesel and see several other docs. One item actually uses auto gasoline as the solvent in the process !! All of you other folks out there in our group should take a look also!!! That is if you haven`t seen this already ! None of this info gets out to regular folks, but you can bet your cash that the bigs know about it !! I haven`t researched the costs of the lipase enzymes yet, but that`s next. David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 1:50 AM Subject: Re: Solid Catalyst was Re: [biofuel] washing bio-diesel David C, Do you have a ref or a title? B.r., David - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Solid Catalyst was Re: [biofuel] washing bio-diesel Hi Todd, Just found process using lipase enzymes as catalyst to make biodiesel . Makes glycerol recovery easy, has minimal waste residues, you can recycle your catalyst, and you can use high fatty acid feedstock, low reaction temperatures, and get a high conversion rate ! I haven`t read all of the text yet . I`m looking for the process to use soap as a feedstock also. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol Distillation
Craig ( Green Bay ) Yes those units will work for methanol/ethanol recovery when you`re making biodiesel. Cost would be your only consideration. I have seen the same kind of equipment on other websites. David Cruse - Original Message - From: cpech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol Distillation I have been looking at a product for distilling ethanol (a solvent recovery unit) and am not enough of an engineer to tell if it will work - the salesman assures me it will. See the unit at www.rescience.com. His name is Tome Graves ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Can any of you people tell me more? If it does what they say it will, it is a HUGE leap forward. He says someone is using it to make ethanol for mixing biofuel. Craig Green Bay, WI -- -- We support environmentally friendly advertising. Green Bay (920) 434-4555 Appleton (920) 731-9292 1-800-985-9000 email Free shopping coupons from AmeriCoupons.com To be removed from future mailings simply reply to this message with Remove in the subject line. -- -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerin
Hi David R., Hey if they are that far away, don`t worry about them. I`ll get around to the Mall, there is a Borders Book store there and it`s not a 40 k hike to the place. Thanks, David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin Nope sorry changed my mind. No seriously will try and remember. Books are held by Auckland Public Library (40 km away) so will try to look next time I go into the city if it is open. B.r., David - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin Hi David R. Thank you , I will remind you later on. Thanks again, David Cruse Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Stainless Steel Tank Sources
Thanks k5, David Cruse - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Stainless Steel Tank Sources Another source of SS tanks is most dairy farms that no longer produce milk(there are millions of them) most had a bulk tank from 500-5000 gallon capacity, insulated and chillable. Not much of a cash market, so the plate of cookies and ya know. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Todd, Thanks for the info on the tanks. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: [biofuel] Stainless Steel Tank Sources http://www.upe.com/GetSubCat.html/786 http://www.4tank.com/stainless_tanks1.htm http://www.winetanks.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerin
Hi David R. Thanks again. David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin David, Normally go into the city once or twice a week anyway to get supplies and other things so no problem. B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerin
Hi David R. Thank you for taking the time, and I agree on the small plant scenario. I will try to get the first book you mention asap. There is some good info at www.britannica.com . I started out by just entering glycerol, and that is a short entry, three paragraphs, but at the bottom of the paragraphs it says * click here for more info * . That takes you to soap and detergent the third paragraph in that is very interesting as it tells how to separate the glycerin from the soap with a saltwater solution. If you have time check it out. The people at www.arserrc.gov filed for a patent ( 08/631,498 ) on 4-12-1996 for a process for Biodiesel Production with Lipases and they also were working on a process for Soapstock for Biodiesel Production . I tried to find the patent I mentioned at www.uspto.gov but couldn`t locate it . The website says that for a fee you can get a copy of the patents and get a license to use them. I was very aggravated in not being able to find any more info! The soapstock thing sounded terrific ! I also found that the NREL in Colorado also has this technology, the process with the lipase catalyst . I`m sure a lot of us would like to know the details on both these things, especially the soapstock process !! David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin Hi David C, Went to town this afternoon and dug out the books on Glyceryn. Couldnt find one of the ones I wanted but found the other which is excellent and I would recommend, Dug out 4 books, 2 on Glycerine, and 2 on Fatty acids or Fatty Alcohols, which are related topics, especially when it comes to Biod. Titles: 1) The Manufacture of Soaps, Other Detergents and Glycerine by Edgar Woolatt. (formerly Development Manager of Lever Brothers). Published by Ellis Horwood Ltd, and Halstead Press, div of John Wiley and Sons 1985, ISBN 0-85312-567-8 (EHL) and ISBN 0-470-20234-3. An excellent and thoroughly authoritive text. 2)Glycerine by S.W. Koppe Translated from the German. Published by Scott, Greenwood Son, London 1915 A really old book I normally would not have bothered with but has some interesting chapters titled: Compounds and decomposition products of Glycerine, The production of Glycerine, The Production of Pure Glycerine, and Various applications of Glycerine. Had not seen it before as it was down in the basement so will at least have a quick scan of it. 3) Industrial Fatty Acids and their Applications edited by E. Scott Pattison, and published by Reinhold Publishing Corp 1959 Some good photos and line drawings of commercial operations in the States 4)Fatty Alcohols, Raw Materials, Methods, Uses. Published by Henkel, Dusseldorf, Germany 1982 Some good compositional data of various oils etc. The first one is the one I would look for and you should learn a lot from it. I believe the successful design and manufacture of a small mobile plant is one of the answers to making biodiesel a feasible product worldwide and making it viable from an economic point of view. There is a world wide demand for high quality glycerine which fetches good prices. Prices for the glycerine could be used to offset shifts in the base raw materials costs. If a small mobile plant could be put out at realistic cost there would be a fairly reasonable demand for it. The secret is a cheap energy source as to distill glycerine you need temperatures in the range of 500 to 600 degrees and you can imagine how consumptive and expensive this can quickly become at this temperature range. I have looked into this before and it is beyond me on a personal level as it needs a reasonable amount of input and also a reasonable cash input. I believe the answer is design input from half a dozen people or more and also financial input from others. Anyone out there interested in forming a design team and anyone interested in becoming a financial backer?. Hope this is of some help to you and others. The answers are out there, the solution is digging them out and then combining with others to achieve your goal. Keith, Steve, Aleks, Todd, Ed, and others who add their two cents everyday and are getting the word out there have moved this industry forward a long way already but it still has a long way to go. B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
Re: [biofuel] glycerin
Hey David R. If that message was directed at me (David C.) That would be kind indeed ! David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin Hi David, Can dig out a couple of good book titles from the library if you give me time. B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerin
Hi Todd S Thanks for the info on methanol recovery. I found a metal shop in my area and the man who owns the place is skilled in stainless steel work. He gave me some great prices on building process tanks, and building what you described for the alcohol recovery. Thanks again for the help. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin I want to know about the vacuum/ heat extraction method in more detail, so if you have some good info I would appreciate your help. I`m not sure what VOC output is so please fill me in on that. . David, Vacuum is not necessary for evaporating and distilling the methanol, either the residual in the biodiesel before washing or the residual in the glycerin. A closed system is, however, to prevent the escape of the toxic and flammable fumes. It consists of nothing more than a manner to heat the fluid above the boiling point of the alcohol, and a water cooled condenser to recover the vapor in liquid form. Essentially it is the same process for evaporation and condensing glycerin, except that vacuum is used so that not so much heat energy is required. This is where pressure rated tanks and the like enter into play. Just imagine a more industrial image than what is in the following paragraph. You could probably evaporate the alcohol out of both the biodiesel and the glycerin using a fifty five gallon closed head drum, with the 3/4 bung plugged, the 2 bung piped into the condenser, the drum wrapped in R-19 insulation, all sitting on a double burner electric hotplate, or some other non-open-flame heat source. I would separate the biodiesel from the glycerin first and then evaporate each medium separately - perhaps a separate drum for both to prevent glycerin contamination of the fuel/ You will also need to remove the glycerin from the drum while still warm or reheat it before removal, as it gets rather thick. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Farmers seek boost from veggie fuel
Hi Ralph, Hey that would be great wouldn`t it. I`m checking on what it would cost to build a 500 gal stainless mixing tank. Regular diesel is selling for $1.39 9/10 in my area today (Atlanta,Ga.). David Cruse - Original Message - From: Ralph Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Farmers seek boost from veggie fuel David thanks for your response. I've been checking into the used oil market and its at an all time glut. It seems that the mad cow disease has put a hamper on feed market and now the collection companies are charging the restaurants to pick up their used oils. This could mean a break in the price to produce biodiesel in the US. I've checked the US gov't documents on production costs of biodiesel and they state that is costs around $0.67 per gallon to produce diesel compared to $1.00 per gallon to produce biodiesel. The end cost of a 20% blend is approx. .736? The gov't indicators have stated that the price of diesel will be $2.00 per gallon in the next few months. I want to know if anyone out there has comparative cost projections to produce biodiesel. If my calculations are correct can we start to look at full scale production of renewable energy source? Ralph Chamberlain [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Conservation may be a virtue... FAO/Politics/Environment/Social
Hi Ed, Outstanding , right on the money ! Amen, David Cruse - Original Message - From: NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: [biofuel] Conservation may be a virtue... FAO/Politics/Environment/Social FYI: This century has seen the world become a willing captive to an unsustainable future. The economically developed world is addicted to high energy consumption and global economic development will be reflected by the ever-expanding use of fossil fuels. The predicted growth in world population, supposedly peaking somewhere between 8 to 10 billion people will become a critical issue as the less developed countries of the world develop their economies and strive to enjoy their full and fair measure of the biosphere's renewable and non-renewable resources... Since oil and coal are extracted from earth sources, supplies are finite and there are considerable concerns over the extent of remaining reserves. Far more significant for the quality of our life on this planet are the environmental problems associated with oil and coal utilization. Severe atmospheric pollution, acid rain and oil spills have defiled the world we live in to an unspeakable extent. Of even greater concern is the ceaseless buildup of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere and the potential warming trend associated with the Greenhouse effect. However, despite the dual oil price shocks of 1973 and 1980, total CO2 emissions into the atmosphere increased by more than 40% in the two decades between 1970 and 1990. It is a pattern we seem incapable of controlling. The struggle we face in the future will not be characterized by a single battle or a focused apocalyptic event. If we continue with our current lifestyle, we will experience a slow protracted diminution of quality of life. In how many capitals cities of the world today do we see traffic police wearing masks to protect them from pollution? How many millions of new cases of respiratory disease are due to an atmosphere increasingly degraded by automobile exhausts and industrial emissions? It is clear that the continued utilization of fossil fuels as a dominant energy source is not consistent with the long-term sustainability of our environment. Other practical forms of commercial industrial energy must be developed and in particular, sources that are renewable and pose the minimum risk to our environment. Morton Satin Chief, Agro-Industries and Post-harvest Management Service Agricultural Support Systems Division FAO From the forward to: Renewable biological systems for alternative sustainable energy production (FAO Agricultural Services Bulletin - 128) - Some of us aim to deter that truth. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerol/steam production
Hi Dana, Check out these websites for steam stuff. www.claytonindustries.com (compact steam boilers) www.trigenewingpower.com www.coppus.com (steam turbines) www.tuthill.com (coppus corporate home) www.ttboilers.com One of these has a 10hp unit . I`m very interested in using biosiesel to fire a boiler, and turn a steam turbine for power generation. I also like the idea of using a back pressure steam turbine in that situation. I was wondering if you could use the low pressure steam exiting the back pressure turbine to turn a steam turbine that operated on low pressure steam, If so that would be a nice combined cycle set up! If not you could use that low pressure steam to heat some of your biodiesel tanks. Anyway those are some good websites to look at, and if I see any others I`ll let you know. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerol/steam production It seems to me that since the biodiesel process requires heat and in many climes home heating is a major cost of living the prime use of waste glycerol would be energy production/heat. Our initial attempts at modifying the flame guns used in fuel oil furnaces to burn glycerol are showing (as an earlier post from a member of this group warned) a build up on the guns and in the combustion chambers. We are also noting some corrosive effects on the unit pumps which may be due to the glycerol quality. Strait WVO seems to work better (as we suspected it would) and so would seem to be the prime candidate for home heating oil substitution since it requires minimal processing. Accordingly glycerol would seem to be most useful as a heat source for biodiesel production. Has anyone accumulated some hours using glycerol in a non-injected type fuel oil furnace? Some of our older members (myself included) recall a drip type fuel oil furnace that was simplicity itself but cannot find a source for them. They were not thermostatically controlled. The maintenance consisted of an annual cleaning of accumulated clinker from the combustion chamber. In cold climates such as ours in MN a primary furnace of this type could be used to provide for a constant heat input to a home and the existing furnace could be used to provide supplementary heat when the primary units capacity is not sufficient. I also recall seeing a fuel oil domestic hot water heater (several decades ago) which worked on the same principal and would adapt beautifully to heating WVO for biodiesel production. Is anyone aware of a source for either one of these products? A third, more complicated use for glycerol might be electrical production using a steam powered generator. In my younger days I was involved in fluid bed reactor research and some of our bench test units would cleanly combust nearly anything. Combined with a steam generator they were actually quite efficient and simpler to build than a Biodiesel production unit. Is anyone aware of a simple to build steam engine design or a source for inexpensive steam engines/turbines in the 10 HP range? Efficiency would be raised substantially if the glycerol could be combusted and used for electrical production and the cogenerated heat could be harnessed for Biodiesel production use or even home heating. Dana Linscott __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] washing bio-diesel
Hi Folks, Todd brought up something interesting here. Solid catalyst ! Could someone please tell those of us who don`t know. What do you use as a solid catalyst ? And explain the way to use it . Thanks, David Cruse - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] washing bio-diesel Is it necessary to wash bio-diesel when it will be mixed 50/50 with regular diesel fuel? Can isoprohyl alcohol be used after the wash instead of boiling? ... Only if you want to preserve your injectors. If they are unimportant to you, feel free to not wash. The fuel will have some free floating catalyst in it. Even though small amounts, over time it can contribute to injector failure. According to the Bio-Dieseler's Home Manual, this factoid should be indelibly tatooed on the inside of one's frontal lobe. This step will not be eliminated until solid catalysts become the industry standard. It's coming. As for isopropyl, are you theorizing that it could be used as a drying agent? Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerin
Hi David R. Thank you , I will remind you later on. Thanks again, David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin David, Yes. If I dont get back to you in a week give me a reminder. Both books were good but one was excellent. B.r., David - Original Message - From: david e cruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin Hey David R. If that message was directed at me (David C.) That would be kind indeed ! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Stainless Steel Tank Sources
Hi Todd, Thanks for the info on the tanks. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: [biofuel] Stainless Steel Tank Sources http://www.upe.com/GetSubCat.html/786 http://www.4tank.com/stainless_tanks1.htm http://www.winetanks.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The Gas Price Hike
Hi Keith, Wouldn`t it be great if Americans started becoming more dependent on biodiesel ! This is what I hope happens!! Cummins diesel engines are available in Dodge pickup trucks, and Ford is putting their own diesel in some pickups. Now if all the others would follow suit ! David Cruse - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: [biofuel] The Gas Price Hike http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=10824 AlterNet -- The Gas Price Hike Michael T. Klare, AlterNet May 2, 2001 Americans are discovering to their dismay that the price of gasoline is rising all over the country, foreshadowing a summer of costly fuel use. Some experts predict gas prices will rise to $2.50 or even $3.00 per gallon in some areas of the country -- a level that will put many American businesses, and American family budgets, into trouble. Typically, politicians and the media are blaming the rise in prices on refinery overload and stiff environmental regulations. But it is clear that the dramatic spurt in prices is due as much to deep structural problems in the U.S. energy supply system. Americans use more petroleum products than any other population on earth. According to the U.S. Department of Energy (DoE), the United States consumed about 7.1 billion barrels of oil in 1999, or one-fourth of the world's total consumption. Much of our oil intake is devoted to transportation -- especially to road (automobile and truck) transportation. To produce sufficient gasoline for this purpose, U.S. refineries are now operating at near-capacity levels. In the first instance, then, the current hike in gasoline prices is caused by increased pressures on America's overburdened refineries. With summer coming on, Americans are driving more, and this, in turn, is pushing demand ahead of supply -- an automatic impetus for price increases. Environmental regulations also mandate a switch to cleaner-burning fuels in the summer (so as to reduce the risk of smog), and this, too, is contributing to the imbalance between supply and demand. One can conclude the easy solution to our gas price problem is to quickly expand U.S. refinery capacity and to soften or eliminate existing environmental regulations. In fact, this is the solution favored by many in the Bush Administration. But it will not be possible to expedite the construction or expansion of refineries without trampling upon many state and local land-use restrictions, and a weakening of environmental standards will increase the risk of severe pollution. Clearly, this is not the easy solution it might appear. Furthermore, the construction of new refineries (assuming that all regulatory obstacles can be overcome) will only lead to another, more complex problem: how to obtain sufficient crude oil to satisfy the growing U.S. demand for gasoline and other petroleum products. The United States was once self-sufficient in the production of oil, but rising demand and declining reserves have long since obliterated that happy condition. According to BP Amoco, U.S. oil production dropped from 9.2 million barrels per day (mbd) in 1989 to 7.8 mbd in 1999, a drop of 15 percent. At the same time, U.S. consumption rose by 11 percent, from 16.7 to 18.5 mbd. This means the United States has had to import an ever increasing share of its petroleum from abroad -- jumping from about 45 percent of total consumption in 1989 to 58 percent in 1999. It is likely, moreover, that the share of U.S. oil coming from abroad will continue to rise in the years ahead. Although increased drilling in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico may help to slow the decline in U.S. production, it will not be possible to prevent a long-term slide as most major fields in the United States have already been fully or substantially depleted. Like it or not, we will have to import more petroleum from Latin America, Africa and the Middle East. The problem, of course, is that these areas are subject to recurring bouts of instability, thereby jeopardizing the steady flow of oil to the United States. President Bush's solution to this dilemma is to open Alaskan wilderness areas to oil drilling. While tapping into these areas won't make us energy independent, Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham asserted in March, it will help increase America's energy security by ensuring a more diverse supply of oil. But this is somewhat misleading. Even if the Alaska wildlife refuge holds as much oil as some geologists believe (up to 10 billion barrels), its total contribution to U.S. petroleum requirements (at, say, 1 mbd over a 30 year period) will amount to less than 4 percent of anticipated consumption in 2020; most of U.S. demand -- about two-thirds of it -- will have to be satisfied from abroad. Clearly, if Americans continue to consume more and more oil
Re: [biofuel] glycerin
Hi Ed, You may be right about the soap ! Only problem is there are so many people making handmade/ hand crafted soap and all the other craft things that it makes it difficult to find a good market ! Anyway thanks for the thought. David Cruse - Original Message - From: NBT - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin Soap production sounds a little more promising. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com David Cruse ... David, Here's the skinny on glycerin. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] glycerin
Hi David, Thanks for the info. I talked to the General Manager of Ocean Air Environmental ( formerly NOPEC ) in Florida and he told me that they have a difficult time with glycerin also. But it`s still on my list of things to accomplish ! David Cruse - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin David, Unfortunately the only way to purify it properly and get an absolutely pure product is with distillation. Commercial processors use other screening and filtering processes such as fullers earth which gets rid of some of the gunk but to get it really pure they still need distillation. Unfortunately this type of process really needs to be done on a commercial scale to make it truly viable. B.r., David Does anyone know a process that can be used to purify the glycerin produced in the biodiesel reaction into a pure or high grade glycerol ? High grade glycerol has a much better market value than the crude ( 80-88% ) glycerin you get with standard biodiesel recipes. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David Cruse Atlanta, Georgia metro area Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Farmers seek boost from veggie fuel
Ralph, There is a political base for soybeans and other vegetable products that can be used to make biodiesel because of the farm lobby . Farmers get money or subsidies for crops they can`t grow and bring to market. That is to say, if you are a farmer and have enough land to grow an extremely large amount of something, but can`t grow it because there wouldn`t a market for it. Then you are paid by the Fed. Gov. a subsidy ( money ) to grow a smaller amount of that crop instead of growing the larger amount that you could have grown, but would have lost money if you had. The farmers here in this country see biodiesel as a market for those crops ( soybeans ) , and our Government is all for it because that means less subsidies to pay out. Same thing for Ethanol ( corn ) farmers, they want money for corn they can`t grow and sell because now soybeans are the darlings of the moment. Read University of Idaho, they are behind the big push for soybean biodiesel! Iowa is where the ethanol boys are. No offense meant to any of you green guys from those two states. Waste vegetable oil just doesn`t have a political base. Farmers can`t grow it so the Feds just don`t see any reason to be in favor of it. I mean no offense to the farmers either because they have to earn a living also and they have their lives tied up in the land and without them we would be chaos in no time flat! It`s a bad situation for everyone !! I still prefer WVO because otherwise it winds up as just another pollutant!!! Hope I didn`t make a mess of that attempt at an answer. David Cruse - Original Message - From: Ralph Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:35 AM Subject: [biofuel] Farmers seek boost from veggie fuel I just read an article in the Sunday paper distributed by Associated Press about the lobbying efforts of farmers to mandate the use of biodiesel as an additive in diesel fuel. Unfortunately, the press is somewhat bad. It states that biodiesel costs three times as much to produced as diesel. Is that a right amount? It also states that that biodiesel is not a cleaner energy than natural gas??? and that it will slow the switch to natural gas??? The gang is all there to fight. It seems from the article that truckers, railroads, environmentalists and the airlines have teamed up to fight legislation against its mandatory use. My question is this, does biodiesel costs three times as much to produce? (will it drive up the cost of diesel and aviation fuel) Doesn't the emissions from a 20% biodiesel/diesel mixture reduce pollution?(and hopefully meet the new standards set for year 2007 EPA regs). Finally what is the subsidized ethanol pricing? Ralph Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
