Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel plants in Singapore
Hi, Suddenly out of the blue, we are going to have two companies in Singapore producing biodiesel for Europe. Hopefully we may have access to it in future. Article from Green Car Congress: Singapore Gets its First Two Biodiesel Plants October 26, 2005 Two separate ventures announced plans to build biodiesel plants in Singapore, the first such there. Most of the output is intended for export. Both plants will be built on Jurong Island, Singapore’s petrochemicals hub. The Cremer Gruppe will invest up to S$34 million (US$20.1 million) in a plant with a capacity of 200,000 metric tons, and expects it to be online by the end of the first quarter in 2007. The company plans two additional plants within five years. The second biodiesel plant, with a capacity of 150,000 metric tons, is a joint venture between Wilmar Holdings and Archer Daniels Midland Company. Wilmar plans to invest S$50 million (US$30 million) and have the plant operational by the end of 2006. The plant can support a doubling of its capacity to 300,000 tonnes per year. From Singapore, the plants will have easy access to palm oil feedstock from Malaysia and Indonesia. [This e-mail is confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify us immediately; you should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you.] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[biofuel] DENSO diesel injection pump
Denso Europe permit not more than 5% BD for their common rail pump . http://aftermarket.denso-europe.com/Diesel-10019005.aspx Regards Gerry [This e-mail is confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify us immediately; you should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you.] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [biofuel] Dishwasher processors
[This e-mail is confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify us immediately; you should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you.] The spin dryer in those twin tub can be used to spin dry your veg for salads. The larger tub for soaking the veg before spin dry. Gerry Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Learn Trading Tips the Professional Traders Use! Free Newsletter from Optionetics.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/q1ufhB/ZR9CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Soylent Green Fuel - The Other Green Fuel
Charles Dicken,I think; wrote satire on how to solve a food shortage in England. Women are supposed to produce babies. Some of these would be allowd to grow up for purpose of procreation/breeding. Rest of the babies would be soylent green. GL "Anton Berteaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 08/16/2001 11:07:03 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: RE: [biofuel] Soylent Green Fuel - The Other Green Fuel I would make diesel fuel out of it, but I'm like that... anton burn vegetables( and maybe people), not dinosaurs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:23 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Soylent Green Fuel - The Other Green Fuel First, I am not wrong. In the movie they never say what they make Soylent Red of Soylent White out of but Soylent Green (the new product) turns out to be people. Second, after I thought about it, It is not as negative as I first thought. There are a lot of people getting liposuction. What happens to all that fat? Why would it be better to throw that out? If it is waste why not use it? And what if you passed away with a lot of extra fat? If you could sell your fat posthumously why not? Maybe it could off set some the cost of your funeral, cremation or burial. (I should have enough untapped biod for a funeral like King Tut.) While I am not as opposed to the idea as I first was now that I am over the shock I do feel it could go too far. (stop harvesting me with your eyes). MADMAN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet...
Speaking for myself, I have yet to produce a batch smoothly.Still improving some of the basic equipment. Having problem procuring phenolphathalein solutionin small quantities. So I am preparing some in the lab. Once familiar with the process, full concentration will be poured into scaling up. Glad to hear Oz is gearing ahead. Gerry Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/13/2001 02:33:55 PM Please respond to biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: [biofuels-biz] Quiet... There are 85 of us here now. Why so quiet? Good biz ain't made by lurking, guys. Best Keith Addison Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Idaho Bubble wash
Hi Ken, If you forgot to add the acid into the wash, you will get a lot of bubbles/suds that overflow from the drum.This caused you to lose the precious oil. If the acid is added, besides bringing the oil back to about pH7, this also reduces the surface tension of the bubbles and it breaks easily, the water film will then sink back to the bottom of the wash with no loss of oil. Gerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/12/2001 12:23:34 PM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Idaho Bubble wash Hi everyone, I bubble washed the methyl ester after removing the glycerine layer. Funny thing is the water turned really white and the level of my ME really thinned after 12 hours of bubble washing. The water volume i used was 100% of the ME and i forgot to add the acid. Why did the ME yeild dimminish? Could it mean that my ME did not react completely and during the bubble wash the "unstable" stuff turned into soap? Has anyone encountered deminishing yield because of the bubble wash. The ME had stood for 1 week before the bubble wash and i noticed the volume drop during that time( i think bec. of the methanol evaporating). Your comments are greatly appreciated. Ken C. - Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Conc NaOH soln
Thanks Gerry "Paul Gobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/10/2001 11:32:07 PM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Conc NaOH soln - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I will try to use aqueous caustic(98%) the next time. > Any idea how much in millilitres per litre WVO? A conc aqueous solution of NaOH is made by dissolving 100g of NaOH in 90mls of water. The heat generated as it dissolves aids solution. On cooling the solution is liguid at about 20 deg C but can solidify below that. A bit of warming and shaking usually liquifies it. Store in plastic bottle and seal well to prevent exposure to air (forms carbonate0 and moisture(dilution). This conc solution contains 100g of NaOH in 150ml of solution. Multiply the required mass in grams of NaOH by 1.5 to get the volume of conc NaOH solution in mls to add to the alcohol. Regards Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: First try
Tried my first test batch of 2 litres.The WVO was quite clean and any water was boiled off. Not much glycerine after first stage. Very fine glycerine layer. Got a lot of problem dissolving the electronic grade(free) caustic in the costly methanol(electronic grade too). The caustic reacts very quickly in our 80+ RH ambient. I will try to use aqueous caustic(98%) the next time. Any idea how much in millilitres per litre WVO? Not much seperation after the second stage, smelled a lot of alcohol present in the murky stuff. Do we need to maintain heat after the 2nd half dose of sodium methoxide? Will try trouble shooting after 12 hours settling time. Gerry Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Nissan to develop new cars
Hi Keith, Negative. Supposed to be arcives from the Straits Times, but it is only kept for seven days. THanks Gerry Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/07/2001 12:53:50 PM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Nissan to develop new cars >Singapore has gone into partnership with Diamler Chrysler on the fuel cell >car concept. The infrastructure for H2 filling stations would be set up. It >would be a few more years before everyone would be driving a fuel cell car. >Though the pollution would be coming from the main H2 plant. That's is >where all the carbon is coming from. >Lost the link on the above article. >Gerry Hi Gerry This one? http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=11011 Planet Ark Cars fouling Asian air but high-tech offers hope SINGAPORE: May 31, 2001 Lot of nonsense in that article, like "Hong Kong is ahead of the game... Bangkok has the best air quality". Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ >"steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/06/2001 06:21:12 PM > >Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >To: >cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Nissan to develop new cars > > > > >"Fuel-cell cars run on electricity produced by taking hydrogen >from a liquid such as methanol or gasoline, and combining it with >oxygen from air. They emit only water and heat as exhaust and have >become the focal point of research in an industry seeking cleaner >alternatives to the internal-combustion engine." > >Where did the carbon go? > >Steve Spence Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Nissan to develop new cars
Singapore has gone into partnership with Diamler Chrysler on the fuel cell car concept. The infrastructure for H2 filling stations would be set up. It would be a few more years before everyone would be driving a fuel cell car. Though the pollution would be coming from the main H2 plant. That's is where all the carbon is coming from. Lost the link on the above article. Gerry "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/06/2001 06:21:12 PM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Nissan to develop new cars "Fuel-cell cars run on electricity produced by taking hydrogen from a liquid such as methanol or gasoline, and combining it with oxygen from air. They emit only water and heat as exhaust and have become the focal point of research in an industry seeking cleaner alternatives to the internal-combustion engine." Where did the carbon go? Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: [biofuel] Nissan to develop new cars > InfoBeat - Report: Nissan to develop new cars > >TOKYO (AP) - Nissan Motor Co. and Renault SA of France have > decided to develop cars with a fuel cell that runs on gasoline, > following the lead of the world's largest automakers, a Japanese > newspaper said Monday. >Fuel-cell cars run on electricity produced by taking hydrogen > from a liquid such as methanol or gasoline, and combining it with > oxygen from air. They emit only water and heat as exhaust and have > become the focal point of research in an industry seeking cleaner > alternatives to the internal-combustion engine. >Nissan, which is owned 36.8 percent by Renault, has opted for > the gasoline-powered fuel cell because of the likelihood that it > will become the American standard, the national Yomiuri newspaper > reported in a front page story. >Ritsuko Harimoto, a Nissan spokeswoman, could not immediately > comment on the report. >In January, General Motors Corp. of the United States and > Japan's Toyota Motor Corp. said they would join Exxon Mobil Corp., > a major U.S. oil company, in an alliance to develop gasoline as the > source of energy for fuel-cell cars. >The announcement by the world's largest and third-largest > automakers led Nissan and Renault to come up with a similar model, > the Yomiuri said, quoting unidentified company sources. >Nissan and Renault will spend 85 billion yen ($714 million) on > the project and will market the fuel-cell vehicles as early as > 2005, the newspaper said. >Regulators around the world are pressuring automakers to make > cars that generate no pollution particles or gases. By 2003, > California will require zero-emissions cars to make up 4 percent of > annual sales in the state. > > http://www.infobeat.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/IBFrontEnd.woa/wa/fullStory > ?article=407953691 > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: key figures for the initial costs and operating costs...
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Re: [biofuel] Washing BD
Those hermetically sealed fridge compressor are not that suitable. Their motor windings insulation are meant for gas cooled and not air cooled. Therefore the compressor need to run constantly and cannot be cycled( by pressurestat) Those diaphram compressors would be more suitable as the motors are rated for fan cooled, only minus are the diaphrams. Need to be replaced but not difficult. Gerry "ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/06/2001 04:31:38 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Washing BD Try a redundant fridge/freezer compressor :) Ian Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: key figures for the initial costs and operating costs...
Hi, What's the recovery rate(or percentage) for methanol per batch of 400 litres? Gerry "CARLSTEIN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/06/2001 03:41:20 AM Please respond to biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com To: "biofuels-biz" , <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: key figures for the initial costs and operating costs... jan, my answer in the text of your em : Sent: Martes 5 de Junio de 2001 14:32 Subject: key figures for the initial costs and operating costs... You deliver two plants for 800 liters of BD per day, do you ? * no, we deliver one plant capable of processing two batches of 400 liters each per 24 hr. period. our present delivery time is 120 days. 1) What are the initial costs per plant ? * u$s 9'100.00 faf buenos aires, plus per diem and travel for instalation and start-up. *this is a two vessel plant, semiautomatic, with manifold venting, and methanol recoup circuit with vacuum pump. all asi 304 ss construction. testing and calibration equipment provided with plant, as well as start-up training. all auto systems have redundant hand operated back-up systems. biodiesel is filtered to 5 microns. *client provides 3 bar compressed air source, and storage facilities for oil, methanol, glycerol, and biodiesel. *we are considering licensing construction abroad. 2) What are the running costs: *all prices per liter, in u$s dollars, unless indicated : -refined sunflower oil : 0,315 -industrial grade methanol : 0.49 -naoh : 0.80 / kg. -30 kWh per 400 liter batch. -3.0 hours per batch for processing and clean-up. 3. What are the revenue sources and their prices? *there is no market for biodiesel per se. our clients mix it with petrodiesel and treat is as an additive. saves hassle with the tax people. *diesel fuel in argentina/uruguay is 0.52 retail, 0.45 wholesale. *glycerol can be sold for 0.60-0.80 / kg. pure glycerin sells for 1.80-2.20 / kg. >From my rough analysis (I am doing it for my to-be installation) it goes that the most important factor for BD production to be profitable is ( I want to sell it for profit) : (oil, etc...) Any comments *seems to me glycerol would be the most important variable in your cost/profit equation. hope this helps. cheers, dick. " is an art. you too can be an artist. just do it !!!" Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489
If we were to put a loop in a tank full of wet ethanol .Circulate refrigerant thru the loop. Voila! Water would freeze and you have a 'popsicle' of ice and dry Ethanol. Gerry "Dick Carlstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/05/2001 10:19:28 PM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: [biofuel] zeolite - Digest Number 489 From: robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: zeolite I don't mean to be flip about this, but why don't the ethanol enthusiasts, or those using ethanol for biodiesel, simply leave their brew outdoors during a winter night? In the morning, remove the ice floating on top, and the winter temperatures will have done the distilling for free! Anyone tried this? *brilliant lateral thinking, rabello !! i see no reason why it shouldn't work. will try it in my freezer soon as i can get my hand on some hydroalky, don't have freezing weather these parts of the globe. *it's good, solid, practical ideas like these that put 'meat' in this list... *keep them coming, cheers, dick. " is a consummate art, reserved only for those with exquisite taste, and impeccable manners" R.G.C. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] a question.....
Got all the chemicals and a bucket of pure McDonald's waste veg oil. Will be going thru the learning curve soon. The methanol was real expensive, US$35 per 5gal drum. Anyone got the price for methanol in bulk and the recovery rate of the home made distiller. Figured that the bulk price and methanol recovery would made me decide whether it can be commercialised. Gerry Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
We use to know this air force guy who was servicing the u-wave tower. Some asshole turn on the power, and he does not need to use condoms anymore. Gerry "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/23/2001 09:37:09 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? if you sit in front of one, your molecules will vibrate nicely. like a frog in a pot of boiling water. I have no data on the health affects from microwave towers. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? > Hi Steve, > Tends to support my sceptical attitude if such is the case. > What about high powered Microwave Transmission Towers used by the > telecommunications industry as I know there is widespread debate on that > one? > B.r., David > > - Original Message - > From: Steve Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:40 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? > > > > the cancer/power line myth was put to rest. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water /
Gentlemen,.and the ladies out there. I have been rather quiet on all those debate out there. There was an article on top US researchers carrying out tests to verify whether there is such thing as 'chi' energy in Qigong ,practised by the Chinese for thousands of years. I was rather skeptical about this energy as it cannot be seen.That is what the researchers felt after their investigation.Their However I got a chance to learn under this pyshic lad. I have to take back my words that 'chi' does not exist. This lad was standing about 150 feet away while our group was sitting on the fall meditating. With a slight wave of his palm, the whole group experiences a surge of energy flowing thru our bodies. This was a kind of tingling sensation and felt wonderful. I do not want to be drawn into arguments on those hi tension cable stuff, but with my experience with Qigong, I would give them a wide berth. Gerry "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/23/2001 08:46:50 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / Nothing will happen. At the risk of being accused of being a kill joy, let's try to keep it real. urban legends have no place in a forum where solutions are being developed. The laundry disk, magnetics, water powered engine, joe cell, meyer, tin foil hats, etc. group has been well debunked by legitimate science. You can claim benefits all day long, and when it's put through rigorous testing (and these things have been) if the results aren't what the true believers want, they claim we didn't do it right. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "David Sanz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:28 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / Yes, Ian. I'm testing (for one year ago) with very very stong neodymium magnets from used DC electric motor. A pair of them are in line fuel, and the other in intake. ... but, as I said before, nothing apparent occurs. Regards David Si, Estoy probando (desde hace un ao) con imanes muy muy potentes de nodimio procedentes de un motor elctrico de CC. Un par de ellos en la lnea de fuel y el otro en la admisin. ...pero, como dije antes, nada ocurre aparentemente. Saludos David ian wrote: > if you want strong magnets, you can get very very strong neodynium magnets > out of broken pc hard drives, they are small and great fun to play with. > Ian > - Original Message - > From: David Sanz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / > > > > Magnets? > I use permanent magnets on fuel lines and air intake in my diesel, > but... aparently nothing happens. > It's only my opinion. > > David > > Imanes? > Uso imanes permanentes en las lneas de fuel y en la toma de admisin de > mi diesel, pero... aparentemente no mejora nada. > Es slo mi opinin. > > David > > Dick Carlstein wrote: > >>> From: Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Fwd: Saving Gasoline and Money >>> >>> I've heard stories about putting magnets on gas lines to improve fuel >>> mileage for years Dick, perhaps magnets attached to the tubing might >> >> increase the >> >>> effectiveness of foggers? >> >> >> *good post warren !! this magnet thing either works, or else is just more >> urban legend. both ways, it shouldn't be hard to check out, like checking >> out novak's baby was easy. >> >> *will come up with a test routine, and post when i have my numbers in, > > just > >> like the fogger. >> >> *some questions into the article : >> >>> ...Later, I discovered these devices contained simple magnets with >>> the south-seeking poles directed inward >> >> >> *besides floating one of them, and then comparing, is there some other >> method for determining a magnet's south that i am unaware of, or have >> forgotten ? >> >>> The magnets used are fairly strong rare-earth strontium ferroxide ceramic >>> magnets which will pinch your fingers (Ouch!) if you are not careful, and >>> four of them are enough for a single fuel-line for one car. Any similar >>> strong magnet will work >> >> >> *such as speaker magnets ? how do i determine if a magnet is strong enough >> for this application ? >> >>> Like the orgone accumulator, it is too simple for most people to >> >> believe... >> >> *i know for a fact that something very similar to an 'orgone accumulator' >> works just fine, and does generate fuel savings at a reasonable cost. this >> lends credibil
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Hi , There was a lot of hype on those telfon additives or some that can start a engine block when it is encased in ice.! But those tend to settle down in the sump, more suitable for racing engine where it is stripped and rebuilt after the races. Luckily some blokes understand there need to be suspension of this additives in any type of lubricant and they did came out with workable additives. Don't ask me for those. I have stopped trying out the new stuff. Gerry Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/22/2001 09:43:30 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? David said: >I believe people would benefit a lot more by learning a lot more about oil >instead. While there are a lot of sites justifying additives which mostly >dont work there are some good sites on the web that people can learn from. I've tried some oil additives (teflon, etc.) and did not see results good enough to justify the extra cost. However, a few years back I tried an additive called Energy Release. ER actually works well and more than pays for itself. I now use it in all my vehicles. Their web site is: http://www.energyrelease.com/index.asp -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner?
Asians tend to use lamps and burners with wicks. Whether it is kerosene, coconut oil or vegetable oil. Only problem is soot from long term usage. If multiple wicks burner are available and with proper chimney, you can have a heater fire going. I can still remember absorption refrigerator fired by kerosene with wick type burner. Just my thoughts. Gerry "NBT - E. Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/22/2001 09:41:52 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner? Biodiesel works for us in both kerosene heater and oil lamp. But that is not the same as dumping veg. oil into kerosene. Ed B. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel in a heating oil burner? > Good Evening: >In regard to cooking oil/Kerosene mix for heating. I tried that this > winter. Everything went great for about an hour and a half. Then the heater > began to smoke and stink. To make a long story short - I ended up having to > take the heater apart and clean out all this gooey junk, wash everything out > with clean, pure Kerosene, and freeze for part of a day and night. >Apparently you have had success -- where did I go wrong? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Coconut oil
Most of the coconut oil comes from mature coconuts. Coming from the equatorial belt, we have alot of 'fun ' with this nuts. We squeeze freshly grated mature coconut kernel to make coconut milk which is used in making thick curry gravy. You can't make the milk out of young green coconut because they are just not 'ripe' enough. Mature coconuts does contains the endosperm, it is not abosbed into the kernel. They are sun dried simply because the sun is free. Young coconuts are popular for refreshing cocktails (the water part) and thin sweet fresh. You get more bulk with the flesh from mature nuts than the green nuts. True that the green nut's flesh can be expelled easily. But the villagers has all the time in the world and they are quite adapt at expelling flesh from the old nuts with the simple implement that they fashioned from steel. Gerry "F. Marc de Piolenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/22/2001 08:43:37 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: Biofuel List cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: [biofuel] Coconut oil Gerry wrote: "Mature coconuts would be required as they have thicker kernel with have more oil after they have been sun dried." The plants I'm looking at are not based on copra (sundried coconut meat), but on fresh nuts. Are you quite sure that mature nuts have more oil? The meat is harder in those I've seen, and it may be a little thicker, but the only difference in the rest of the nut is that the water (liquid endosperm) has been absorbed into the meat. The water contains no oil, so I wonder whether the meat of a mature coconut contains more. Anyway, I can't find anything definite either way in the little literature that I have. The soft meat of a green nut is easier to scour out of the shell and run through the expellers. Marc de Piolenc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?
Mix in a can of "oil treatment" on every filter roll change with the Mil-Mac. The additives will take cares of wear on the engine. Gerry "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/22/2001 05:57:21 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? Not a very scientific experiment if you ask me Steve although it might give you some idea on how long oil made by a rank amateur would last. As I have stated before several times oil is made from 2 things, namely the oil base stock and the additive package. Both of these are important and it is the quality of both these that determine the quality of the final oil produced, how long it lasts, and how effective it is. Without a decent additive package the oil will not last and the results produced are more a comment on the standard of engineering rather than the quality of the oil. While the by-pass oil filter would undoubtedly extend the life of the engine the results produced would be somewhat spurious and debateable as we dont know the condition of the engine initially. I believe people would benefit a lot more by learning a lot more about oil instead. While there are a lot of sites justifying additives which mostly dont work there are some good sites on the web that people can learn from. B.r., David - Original Message - From: steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil? > I wonder how long a diesel rabbit engine would last, with veggie oil in the > crankcase. I just might try. they are pretty cheap at our junkyard. I'll add > one of your filters, Dave. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Coconut oil
Mature coconuts would be required as they have thicker kernel with have more oil after they have been sun dried. Gerry "F. Marc de Piolenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/21/2001 11:21:32 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: Biofuel List cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: [biofuel] Coconut oil Dear Hanns et al., The separation of coconut oil from coco milk (the water should be separated out before oil extraction, as it contains no oil) using heat is generally abandoned here due to low extraction efficiency and high energy use. I do not, unfortunately, have numbers, as the analyses and proposals I have on file are based on the use of mechanical expellers. As I have said before, high energy consumption is not necessarily a showstopper, as the availability of that energy (in both the thermodynamic and economic senses) is just as important as quantity. That is, if you can use coir and shells as your heat sources (if you have no more profitable outlets for those), then perhaps it can be made to work. As for fermenting the residue, the traditional end product of coco water is coco vinegar - wine vinegar is virtually unknown here. But I believe that acetic fermentation requires prior ethanol fermentation, so presumably there is some way to design a process that eliminates the acetobacter part of the vinegar process. Perhaps heating to the point where the residue is sterile, then (after cooling) inoculating with beer yeast and excluding air...? Looks like another bench-scale experiment is in the offing. Maybe we could design an experimental program and split the work? Were you planning to start with green coconuts or mature coconuts? Best, Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Lanao del Norte (Mindanao) Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: Palm and coconut oil - was RE: [biofuel] Tallow
Hi Hanns, See attached for price history (See attached file: crude palm oil prices.htm) Gerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Some Answers/ Slight Rant
Alfa Laval has the best centrifuge for oil/water seperators. Westfalia would be another. Gerry Clayton T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/18/2001 11:01:45 PM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: [biofuel] Some Answers/ Slight Rant Cordain and biofuels, Please forgive my lag at responding. I've been working with a patent Attorney to get it Patent pending. So I can discuss it more freely. I would like to license it and also use the process to make my own fuel here in Texas. Right now its still on the drawing board, a few engineering probs still to mull over. I also have been working on securing equipment to test the technology myself. If Yall know where I might find a used centurfuge designed for contiuos operation. I'd appreciate the tip. As far as the person who Wrote " this forum is an exchange of ideas for a bunch of..." I'd like to invite you over to my house for an ass whipping, followed with some Texas style Bar-B-Q. I defend your right to say such things but that doesn't mean I have to like it . Clayton T __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Palm and coconut oil - was RE: [biofuel] Tallow
Price for Malaysian CPO(crude palm oil) is M$750 for May 2001. That is US$198. It is not feasible to turn it into Biofuel, unless gas prices goes up double. Gerry "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/18/2001 04:30:33 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: Palm and coconut oil - was RE: [biofuel] Tallow Hi Hanns, > >One of the problems using palm oil might be its relatively high cost. The > >current (very low) FOB price in PNG is about $US240/tonne but it has gone as > >high as $US600/tonne in previous years. The cost of production is Indonesia > >is about $US127/tonne whilst in PNG it is about $US225/tonne. These are > >figures using large scale extraction plants. The small scale figures are > >much higher. So the question with palm oil is to get the numbers right. > >Hence my leaning towards large scale production. ** Thought it was you Aussies fleecing us poor Kiwis. Maybe its ex pat Aussies and Kiwis living in PNG fleecing the rest of us. Dont know the price for palm oil as I have never really looked into it but didnt think it was anywhere as high as the figures you quote. Malaysia which is reported to be the worlds biggest producer is said to have a glut of it. Somewhere in the back of my mind is the figure of US$60 or $80 someone quoted not so long ago. Because the oil content is so high (something like 40% offhand) I would have thought this was a relatively cheap oil to produce. I suppose the problem is getting it to market. > > > >On the other hand coconut oil may well be a quite different story. The copra > >market has been very depressed for a long time and is likely to remain so. > >Also copra produces dirty low quality oil and has to be refined at > >considerable energy cost to make it useable. There is however a very small > >scale (village based) cold pressed extraction process called DME (Direct > >Micro Expelling) that produces an extremely high quality oil with < 0.2% FFA > >and about 0.1% moisture and volatile matter. It is very clear and leaves no > >residue or staining on a Whatman No. 4 (or equivalent) filter paper. I am > >wondering whether this oil could be used direct (without esterification) in > >diesel engines. ** what % of copra is oil? I know it has a fairly high water content initially until it is dried but would not have thought the oil content was high enough although it must have a reasonable fat content. I know they import copra meal from the islands here and it is used in pelletised feed as I was looking at it once for inclusion in ratite feed but cant remember the figures. Judging by the number of fat islanders especially Samoans you see round Auckland and who traditionally eat a fair amount of coconut in their diet it may have a reasonable amount of fat that can be transestified. Has anyone done any research or trials with copra? (Keith?) > Could you tell us a bit more about DME? Any oils can be used direct, > with a dual fuel system so you can start up and shut down on either > diesel or biodiesel to prevent coking. In Thailand they're using a > mixture of both palm and coconut oil with dinodiesel (different > ratios for the two oils), running it straight without a dual fuel > system. It sounds like some coking tests with the DME oil would be > worthwhile. Message #5220, "Re: Diesel operating on pressed oil", > from Dana Linscott on Tue 5/15/2001, described such tests. **Would also like to know a bit more about DME > >On the other hand, > > Hey Hanns, that gives you three hands!! Which planet are you from? :-) > > >there are many (presently) unused coconut palms > >throughout the Pacific, and perhaps the DME process could be streamlined for > >medium to large scale production. This might rejuvenate the village based > >and plantation based coconut industry as well as contribute towards the > >increased production of non fossil diesel fuel. > > > >Any thought on this subject? > > I'm glad you're investigating these issues, it sounds most > worthwhile. Please keep us informed. I have more than a general > interest in your progress, Journey to Forever will be spending time > in areas with palm oil and coconuts where it would have application. > > Good luck! B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: methanol/methoxide vacuum concern
Hi Ian, Couldn't find your various postings at the web pages2stage, process,react1a. Please email those, I will see whether there is any problem areas. Thanks Gerry Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Heated fuel lines
Chromolox Self-Regulating Heat Tapes will suffice. PH 412-967-3800 FAX 412-967-55148 Gerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05/02/2001 06:12:31 PM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: [biofuel] Heated fuel lines Does anyone know who makes fuel line heaters that can be used to heat fuel as it passes through pipes. The sort of thing you rap around pipes would suffice. But I need to keep them above 41 degrees c and more like 80 degrees as I am going to use tallow in an engine. Jonathan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] fogger 1st result frm malaysia
Hi, Seen your results. You are right that it doesn't improve the mileage. In Singapore, I have driven in a Mitsubishi panel van retrofitted with this water fogger, 15 years back. It was claimed that the fogger would improve the mileage and was being evaluated.We would save a bundle with the fleet fleet of service vans. Logic behind it was that water consists of H2 & O2. Therefore with the O2 & H2 ,there would be cleaner fuel and complete combustion. Later I found this not to be true, as water can only be cracked into O2 & H2 at high temperatures that would actually melt the engine. We vary the amount that was injected when the engine was hot and drove it sensibly (no hard acceleration!) trying to achieve higher mileage. Sometimes in the morning , the engine would splutter due to the water being 'injected' into a cold engine,equilvalent to water in the tanks. I hope the rest would stop trying the fogger for the engine and save their money & time. Gerry. PS If any of you notice the price of crude palm oil is actually very expensive to be processed for biodiesel, even though it is at rock bottom . The crude can be processed into palm oil, olein & stearin oil. It would be interesting to look at price of palm oil for processing biodiesel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05/02/2001 02:18:49 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: [biofuel] fogger 1st result frm malaysia hi again all...i just finish i tankfull of petrol and it doesn't seem to be different from the consumption without fogger. the only different are quiter engine sound and better performance at high rpm. i've drag the engine to 7000 rpm just now and hellthe rpm still willing to go some more. but i'm not going to do it, i need to go to work tomorrow:)..if anybody interested to try this method, ask dick :). my english is not good enough to make u understand. oh! dick, if u read this, and have other type of fogger (or any fuel saving method)that i should try, let me know. i'll test it out and let u know the result. i'm using a honda integra, 80s model using carburetor. see ya ... Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
