Re: [biofuel] glycerol

[martin.brook]

where r u?
- Original Message -
From: Matt Schaid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerol


> I run a small soap and toiletries business right now.  The web site is
> www.cssoap.com  but its not up yet because I downed it for improvements.
> Anyway, I am just researching biodesiel right now.  I would be interested
in
> the glycerin, as I use it in making more enriched soap(melt and pour soap)
> as well as lotion.  If anyone ends up with a few lbs to spare, I would
love
> to get some, expecially to save it from being buried.  I would like to
> experiment with it more, but i have limited accessibility to it.
> If anyone is willing to go to the effort of bottle it up, i would be very
> thankful.
> Matt
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Re: [biofuel] Model Engines

[martin.brook]

A company called Irvine do them in theUK. Irvine Engines Ltd, Unit 2,
Brunswick Ind. Pk, New Southgate, London, N11 1JL.  I've lost their number
but direct enquiries have it.


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From: anton and federica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Model Engines


> model airplane engines are retrofittable to run on diesel fuel. the kits
are
> available at certain model store. they may not be that cheap though.
> anton
> --
> >From: Jeremy Shuey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [biofuel] Model Engines
> >Date: May 11, 2001, 9:05 PM
> >
>
> >Does anyone know where a person could buy or build a
> >working model of a diesel engine?  I want to use the
> >engine to burn the biodiesel that I make in
> >demonstrations and also be able to do some testing
> >with it.  Any information would be appreciated.  Also,
> >the less expensive, the better.  ;-)  Thanks in
> >advance.
> >
> >Jeremy
> >
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Horse Manure

[martin.brook]

Hi, ssure I can convert this into energy,however I would need some more
information to make an educated judgement
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From: Wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 4:16 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Horse Manure


> From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Horse Manure
>
> >I have approximately 160,000 cubic yard of horse
> >manure in New Mexico.  Does anyone know of someone who
> >might be interested in it to convert into fuel?
> >Carl
>
> That's 80,000 tons of horseshit! How on earth did you manage to
> accumulate so much? What condition is it in?>>
>
> You might get some more inquiries from people involved with horses.  I
> have put a couple of paragraphs about biodiesel on my horse site:
> http://horses-etc.com  ...
>
> and there was a post yesterday about using waste from wood processing
>  so maybe the wood shavings used for stalls together with the manure
> could be used ... that would be wonderful.
>
> :))
>
> and yes to another post ... clean veggie oil can certainly be used.  In
> those same two paragraphs see the link for Southern States Power Company
> ... they will be opening a large production plant for biodiesel from
> soybeans.
>
> Wendy
> (This is the first time I have posted.  I just started learning about
> biodiesel a week or so ago).
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?

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what part of the country are you?
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From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:58 PM
Subject: [biofuel] NEW can you help?


> Hi All
>
> I'm new to and anyone who has any info on UK would be great.  Can anyone
> tell me how much it costs for machinery to process hemp in to methanol or
> ethanol and also the equipment to turn that into biofuel, any help is
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Donna
>
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Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?

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Basically there is a continous production plant undergoing Bio Diesel trials
at this point in time ,it will cost apprximately £20,000. Details will be
available for publication in a couple of months time which will confirm data
obtained in practical trials. Our intention is to have the kit marketable by
the new year, sorry if this seems rather lengthy but we are an independent
organisationand and self funding and based in Cambridge which is why I asked
your whereabouts. I travel to Newcastle quite frequently but have not
enjoyed Scotland for some time.If I can be of any further help or point you
in the right direction for the benefit of bio-fuel in general please let me
know. Best regards Martin Brook
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From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?


> Scotland
> - Original Message -----
> From: "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
>
>
> > what part of the country are you?
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:58 PM
> > Subject: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> >
> >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > I'm new to and anyone who has any info on UK would be great.  Can
anyone
> > > tell me how much it costs for machinery to process hemp in to methanol
> or
> > > ethanol and also the equipment to turn that into biofuel, any help is
> > > appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Donna
> > >
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Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?

[martin.brook]

Thankyou for your prompt reply I shall endeavour to get the answers for you
during the week. As luck would have it my assistant is away next week so I
may be slower than usual responding.Best regards,Martin
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From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?


> Martin
>
> Thank you, I am trying to see if it will be feasible to set up a hemp
> project, farming and processing.  I am interested in the bio fuel side but
> as it has many uses there is many possibilities.  I am trying to put
> together a project proposal to apply for government funding which is
> available here.  I have spoken to a couple of people in the field who have
> shown some interest in being involved if we go ahead.
> So what is the capacities of the kit, the place I have in mind right now
is
> around 300 acres, this would hopefully produce around 1000 gallons of
> methane per acre and around 500 litres of oil for processing would this be
> ok?
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
>
>
> > Basically there is a continous production plant undergoing Bio Diesel
> trials
> > at this point in time ,it will cost apprximately £20,000. Details will
be
> > available for publication in a couple of months time which will confirm
> data
> > obtained in practical trials. Our intention is to have the kit
marketable
> by
> > the new year, sorry if this seems rather lengthy but we are an
independent
> > organisationand and self funding and based in Cambridge which is why I
> asked
> > your whereabouts. I travel to Newcastle quite frequently but have not
> > enjoyed Scotland for some time.If I can be of any further help or point
> you
> > in the right direction for the benefit of bio-fuel in general please let
> me
> > know. Best regards Martin Brook
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> >
> >
> > > Scotland
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> > >
> > >
> > > > what part of the country are you?
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:58 PM
> > > > Subject: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm new to and anyone who has any info on UK would be great.  Can
> > anyone
> > > > > tell me how much it costs for machinery to process hemp in to
> methanol
> > > or
> > > > > ethanol and also the equipment to turn that into biofuel, any help
> is
> > > > > appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Donna
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?

[martin.brook]

Donna, I have just reread your post andrealised your production of 500
litres of oil would be better utilised in a batch rather tthan continous
production that would cost a fraction of my originol quote, i.e. something
like £250 this could act as a "pilot plant" and be upgraded at a later date
should the project prove viable. Please contact me if I have got the
quantities wrong. Martin
- Original Message -
From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?


> Martin
>
> Thank you, I am trying to see if it will be feasible to set up a hemp
> project, farming and processing.  I am interested in the bio fuel side but
> as it has many uses there is many possibilities.  I am trying to put
> together a project proposal to apply for government funding which is
> available here.  I have spoken to a couple of people in the field who have
> shown some interest in being involved if we go ahead.
> So what is the capacities of the kit, the place I have in mind right now
is
> around 300 acres, this would hopefully produce around 1000 gallons of
> methane per acre and around 500 litres of oil for processing would this be
> ok?
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
>
>
> > Basically there is a continous production plant undergoing Bio Diesel
> trials
> > at this point in time ,it will cost apprximately £20,000. Details will
be
> > available for publication in a couple of months time which will confirm
> data
> > obtained in practical trials. Our intention is to have the kit
marketable
> by
> > the new year, sorry if this seems rather lengthy but we are an
independent
> > organisationand and self funding and based in Cambridge which is why I
> asked
> > your whereabouts. I travel to Newcastle quite frequently but have not
> > enjoyed Scotland for some time.If I can be of any further help or point
> you
> > in the right direction for the benefit of bio-fuel in general please let
> me
> > know. Best regards Martin Brook
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> >
> >
> > > Scotland
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> > >
> > >
> > > > what part of the country are you?
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:58 PM
> > > > Subject: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm new to and anyone who has any info on UK would be great.  Can
> > anyone
> > > > > tell me how much it costs for machinery to process hemp in to
> methanol
> > > or
> > > > > ethanol and also the equipment to turn that into biofuel, any help
> is
> > > > > appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Donna
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?

[martin.brook]

I might nbe wrong but I beleive you have to have a special license to grow
hemp in this country ,have ytou checked that aspect of things?
- Original Message -
From: martin.brook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?


> Thankyou for your prompt reply I shall endeavour to get the answers for
you
> during the week. As luck would have it my assistant is away next week so I
> may be slower than usual responding.Best regards,Martin
> - Original Message -
> From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
>
>
> > Martin
> >
> > Thank you, I am trying to see if it will be feasible to set up a hemp
> > project, farming and processing.  I am interested in the bio fuel side
but
> > as it has many uses there is many possibilities.  I am trying to put
> > together a project proposal to apply for government funding which is
> > available here.  I have spoken to a couple of people in the field who
have
> > shown some interest in being involved if we go ahead.
> > So what is the capacities of the kit, the place I have in mind right now
> is
> > around 300 acres, this would hopefully produce around 1000 gallons of
> > methane per acre and around 500 litres of oil for processing would this
be
> > ok?
> > Any help is appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 7:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> >
> >
> > > Basically there is a continous production plant undergoing Bio Diesel
> > trials
> > > at this point in time ,it will cost apprximately £20,000. Details will
> be
> > > available for publication in a couple of months time which will
confirm
> > data
> > > obtained in practical trials. Our intention is to have the kit
> marketable
> > by
> > > the new year, sorry if this seems rather lengthy but we are an
> independent
> > > organisationand and self funding and based in Cambridge which is why I
> > asked
> > > your whereabouts. I travel to Newcastle quite frequently but have not
> > > enjoyed Scotland for some time.If I can be of any further help or
point
> > you
> > > in the right direction for the benefit of bio-fuel in general please
let
> > me
> > > know. Best regards Martin Brook
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Scotland
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:56 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > what part of the country are you?
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: Donna Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: 
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:58 PM
> > > > > Subject: [biofuel] NEW can you help?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm new to and anyone who has any info on UK would be great.
Can
> > > anyone
> > > > > > tell me how much it costs for machinery to process hemp in to
> > methanol
> > > > or
> > > > > > ethanol and also the equipment to turn that into biofuel, any
help
> > is
> > > > > > appreciated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Donna
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Winterising additives

[martin.brook]

when it gets cold  i`ll tell yer
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 8:44 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Winterising additives


> OK, Don - take your point, wouldn't disagree, but my main interest was/is
in
> cold weather additives - anyone any related experience/comments?
>
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Re: [biofuel] Business Plan for Bio Diesel?

[martin.brook]

I would really appreciate you doing this and letting me have a copy,can i
help? where are you? Im in Cambridge U.K.
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Business Plan for Bio Diesel?


> >Has anyone drafted a business plan for grants re Bio Diesel and
> >applying for grants to further its development and are will ing to
> >share it.
> >I have local body representatives willing to sponsor a project in
> >this area and Im looking for all the facts I can to promote Bio
> >Diesel.
> >Regards Scotty.
>
> biofuels-biz list
>
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Re: [biofuel] UK FUEL SOURCES

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what part of the south east r u ?   how much do you want?
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> Does anyone have knowledge of any sources of biofuel in the south of
England? Are there places, or a place where one can purchase reliable
quality bio-diesel? Thanks, Ray.
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Re: [biofuel] UK FUEL SOURCES

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Hi Simon Wells is nearest to you in Reading, suggest you give him a try.
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> I am based in Oxford but very mobile. The amount would be in the order of,
> say 30 ltr / week.
> Thanks, Ray
>
>
> - Original Message -----
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> > what part of the south east r u ?   how much do you want?
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> >
> >
> > > Does anyone have knowledge of any sources of biofuel in the south of
> > England? Are there places, or a place where one can purchase reliable
> > quality bio-diesel? Thanks, Ray.
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Re: [biofuel] never a contribution

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Have a good day
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To: 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] never a contribution


> If you have an invention my belief is you publish it--make it public
domain.
> No one can squelch it then (although economical carburetors were squelched
> by approval procedures). If you raise the standard of living then you
> benefit, and your friends and heirs. If you become destitute the enhanced
> standard of living raises the base line.
>
> Patents only give you the right to sue someone. If you don't have very
deep
> pockets to mount a vigorous legal challenge a patent is useless. Since it
> takes time to get court orders etc. one can build a lucrative business
> selling a patented item and then closing and reopening across the street
as
> a new company when finally shut down.
>
> The best thing any individual can do is strive for self sufficiency. A bit
> difficult for urban dwellers but some steps can be made. Money saved is
> after tax money. This will free you--give you more time. This time can be
> used to further benefit you. The system is designed to keep you running 90
> miles an hour to stand in place. Not good.
>
> Kirk
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:07 AM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [biofuel] never a contribution
>
>
> Hello,
> Its easy to say that manny subscribers never post anything
> Well i posted now somthing.
> But does it make sense that many people cant post because most things
> are
> illegal unless you pay BIG tax money  so the keep a low profile
> just like the hemp experimenters in the us (the real one,s)
> even if you invent somthing that is useble cheap the chance that it get
> market is
> litle if your lucke a big compagny buys it and stores it away the wont
> market it
> because the sell less of there own product   of not goverments make to
> much money
> on energie/fuel tax  that means that aldo the are less dependent of oil
> money is nr one
> So to me every talk about the enviroment is useless because the only
> thing goverments are intrested in is money even (if there are) good
> politicians think only in money
> most people dont realease that 80% of the energie generated in this
> world is
> wasted by the military and the industrys that suply them
> And the dont care about the energie efectiveness of .
> and will not use a other source for a long time
>
> sorry bit off topic and political but that is every thing whe do on this
> planet.
>
> rgds  jan
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Re: [biofuel] Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime

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Hi Bob ,Hows it going? Martin
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime


> All this might be very true,but will we still using the infernal
combustion
> engine in 50 years time,? I seriously  doubt it. It is noisy
> polluting,grossly inefficient and dirty. The only reason we are still
using
> it is because of the  power of oil industry, take that away and we open
the
> door to much more efficient cleaner technologies. The problem is not the
> technology it is the stranglehold the oil industry has over the fuel
supply.
> There are much better ways to provide motive force to a vehicle than
burning
> oil in it. Remember if you do the maths to include costs of extraction,
> refining and transport and distribution in to the equation. This is as
well
> as maintaining the status quo with arms sales. Burning oil in a ICE is a
> criminal waste of a useful finite resource,as well as propping up some
very
> iffy regimes in far off lands. Think of that next time you fill up. The
> problem is not technological it is political. Always has been always will
> be. Just think if you owned an oil company would you be any hurry to shoot
> yourself in the foot by promoting an alternative to your endless supply of
> gold. It would be a brave government who takes on organisations with so
much
> clout. If we all made our own fuel legally and the profits started to
> drop,then we might have some progress. I somehow think if it got to that
> stage it would become illegal to make your own fuel.
>
> Off soap box back to making some bio-diesel.
>
> bob golding
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Hanns B. Wetzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [biofuel] Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime
>
>
> > No doubt all what professor Pimentel has said is absolutely correct. But
> in
> > 50 years time when world conventional oil production is down to 17
billion
> > barrels per day and demand for oil equivalent in liquid fuels is 70
> billion
> > barrels per day, American motor vehicles are not going to be powered
> solely
> > by ethanol produced from corn.
> >
> > There will be other far more efficient methods of producing energy for
> > transportation. Enzymatic conversion of cellulosic feed stocks to sugars
> and
> > alcohols will no doubt be one of them. If we already have the technology
> to
> > clone stud animals today, then surely we will soon have the technology
to
> > genetically engineer plants that produce their own enzymes not only for
> > cellulose-sugar conversion, but also sugar-alcohol conversion. We will
> > simply mash up these plants, put them into a fermentation tank, add
water,
> > raise the temperature and distil the resulting beer.
> >
> > Deriving liquid fuels from natural gas, coal, shale, tar sands and
methane
> > hydrates etc. will not only be too expensive, but also create
atmospheric,
> > land and water pollution which by 2050 will no longer be politically
> > acceptable in any part of the world. Therefore a combination of reduced
> > demand for liquid fuels and cheap bio fuels produced from dedicated
energy
> > crops is the most likely long term scenario.
> >
> > In the meantime however, what if it takes 70% more energy to produce
> ethanol
> > from corn that the ethanol produces? It is good for the atmosphere, it
is
> > good for the farmers, it makes cars run better and it boosts technology
> > development.
> >
> > So the industry is subsidised. What would we rather do? Spend the tax
> dollar
> > on something that is good for the rural GDP and good for the planet, or
> make
> > OPEC wealthier, spew more CO2 into the atmosphere and have our economies
> run
> > down a path of ever increasing environmental cost and diminishing
> resources.
> >
> > Sometimes one wonders what these so called scientists do for common
sense.
> > They are so busy investigating, analysing, and tabulating, that they
loose
> > sight of the practical world that we live in.
> >
> > Hanns
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2001 12:22 AM
> > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol is a net energy loser~Bigtime
> >
> >
> > http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Aug01/corn-basedethanol.hrs.html
> >
> > [i]Ethanol fuel from corn faulted as 'unsustainable subsidized food
> > burning' in analysis by Cornell scientist
> > FOR RELEASE: Aug. 6, 2001
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> > Office: 607-255-9736
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Re: [biofuel] (unknown)

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Where are you?
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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 5:11 PM
Subject: [biofuel] (unknown)


> hello
> i have been trying to find a UK based supplier of biodiesel and have so
far
> had very little luck, if there is anyone out there who could help me out i
> would be very pleased to hear from you
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Re: [biofuel] HISTORY AND POLITICS OF POLLUTION

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I agree entirely and look forward to your future posts, keep up the good
work.
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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] HISTORY AND POLITICS OF POLLUTION


> hi all,
>
> biofuels in blending with diesel or petrol can reduce the emission. but it
> is currently produced at the 2-3 times higher cost then the fossil fuel.
>
> we have to discover the various feedstock for this and also look for
> cheaper feedstock for biofuel. if diesel and electric can work then why
> cant we think on using biofuel(ethanol) and electric power.  let us try to
> concentrate on the continuous process plant to produce biofuel in bulk.
one
> thing is important after the natural setting of the biofuel process there
> is 10-15% of crude glycerine residue. why dont we try to find the avenues
> for usage of this glycerine into some useful products.
>
> ciao
> vinay
>
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] HISTORY AND POLITICS OF POLLUTION

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My Seat Arosa (made by volkswagen ) gives 55-60 mpg with normal (not frugal)
driving. Why dont you import them?
- Original Message -
From: Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] HISTORY AND POLITICS OF POLLUTION


> At 10:03 PM 9/19/01 +0900, you wrote:
> >http://www.tompaine.com/features/2001/09/10/index.html
> >TOMPAINE.com:
> >Q & A
> >HISTORY AND POLITICS OF POLLUTION
> >How the Auto Industry Has Shaped Our Lives
> >
> [snip]
>
> The Japanese did not beat the Americans... they made everyone winners in
the
> fight against pollution.  Natural selection takes over.  If the American
car
> companies want to huddle together and stop progress, someone, somewhere
will
> make something better and that will be the day the dinosaurs die off(and
die
> they should for keeping others from growing).  Same with Biodiesel, we are
> having our birth pains right now but the technology is spreading and
getting
> refined.  Someone in this group might find a way to make it even cheaper
and
> become bigger that OPEC, you never know.  Point is you can't stop people
from
> getting ahead and people will get ahead.  If you don't get ahead, your
just
> waiting for your inflection point to your end.
>
> Ken
>
> >
> >There's no reason on Earth why we should not have vehicles getting
> >40, 50 miles per gallon. In fact, today we see the Japanese have,
> >once again beat us, technologically, with the hybrid vehicle. These
> >are half gasoline, half electric powered vehicles that get 50, 60, 70
> >miles per gallon in certain circumstances. Most of them average 50,
> >60 miles per gallon in city driving.
> >
> >They're quite a revolution. They cut smog by -- they cut the auto
> >contribution of smog -- by nearly 80 percent. They cut carbon
> >dioxide, the global warming gas by 50, 60 percent. And they have a
> >500-mile driving range. People are discovering that a fill-up of a
> >hybrid only has to occur once every two or three weeks.
> >
> >These are quite revolutionary vehicles. And Honda and Toyota are
> >selling them now, at about 20,000 a year here in the states already
> >-- and there are waiting lines.
> >
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Re: Re: [biofuel] The Babington Multi Fuel Burner

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where are you?
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> I do not have the time or the equipment to make a waste oil burner, but
have
> an almost endless supply of WVO. I  would be very interested in obtaining
> one, is there any body who could supply one of these
>
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Re: Re: [biofuel] The Babington Multi Fuel Burner

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Cambridge, England
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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:31 PM
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> where are you?
> - Original Message -
> From: Oscar Pet Foods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] The Babington Multi Fuel Burner
>
>
> > I do not have the time or the equipment to make a waste oil burner, but
> have
> > an almost endless supply of WVO. I  would be very interested in
obtaining
> > one, is there any body who could supply one of these
> >
> >
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Re: [biofuel] VW Tdi (was diesel motor capable of 60 mpg

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It is the Vw Lupo or Seat Arosa in europe (both the same car different
badges)
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To: 
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] VW Tdi (was diesel motor capable of 60 mpg


>
> I read that VW has a 1.3liter engine that gets 100mpg.
>  I'll find the reference if you're interested.  This
> car is not, of course, sold in the US.
>
>
>
> --- Craig Reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This isn't exactly the answer you've requested, but
> > the VW Jetta Tdi engine will
> > give 45-50 mpg as installed in the Jetta and the New
> > Bug. In a lighter vehicle,
> > you could get 60 mpg or better. Not cheap now, but
> > in a few years as they come
> > available in junkyards, they will be. And you can
> > buy them in the US - although
> > they are scarce. The older Jetta diesels (also
> > installed in Passats) are also
> > very fuel efficient - are available used.
> >
> > And all VW diesels are supposed to work well with
> > both biodiesel, with the only
> > modification necessary being the replacement of any
> > rubber fuel hoses with
> > synthetic, with straight vegetable oil  - either new
> > oil or filtered fry oil,
> > with the installation of a 2nd heated tank.
> >
> > Craig Reece
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > Someone in this group mentoned a diesel motor for
> > an auto that is being
> > > produced somewhere in Europe capable of providing
> > 60 miles per gallon.
> >
> >
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Re: [biofuel] diesel motor capable of 60 mpg

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In europe the VW Lupo and the Seat Arosa(same car different badge ) are
availaable and relly do 98mpg on the road and you can put your foot down and
go.Why dont you import them?
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Subject: [biofuel] diesel motor capable of 60 mpg


> Someone in this group mentoned a diesel motor for an auto that is being
> produced somewhere in Europe capable of providing 60 miles per gallon.
Can
> anyone  provide info on that motor including its possible availability and
> cost?   Of considerable interest to me, and possibly others, is how can
you
> go about powering a readilly available U.S. car  chassis with a diesel
motor
> like this, if indeed it is practical to do so.  Having demonstrated that
it
> is indeed possible and practical to produce biodiesel from readily
available
> domestic resources,  as has been done on this webb site, the next
important
> question is can you modify a readily available U.S. produced vehicle with
an
> available super efficient diesel  motor to burn biodiesel.  I am  talking
> about more options than burning biodiesel in the  limited kinds of diesel
> autos that are already available in the U.S.   Imperial Diesel, for
example,
> already produces an electric generator that consists of  foreign available
> parts.  Why doesn't someone put together a diesel powered small car or
truck,
> utilizing mostly already available  U.S. parts?   The assembly of the
parts
> could take place domestically, as Imperial Diesel does now for generators.
> Something like this, it seems to me, would do more to promote the use of
> biodiesel  in the U.S. and elsewhere than it would to continue  to discuss
> the fine points of how biodiesel could be produced.   The problem of
widely
> transitioning to a biodiesel economy  here in the U.S. MUST include having
> widely available for use the most economical and efficient diesel-powered
> vehicles in which to burn the biodiesel.  The fuel and the vehicle go
> together, don't they?   So, can someone tell me where to find a diesel
motor
> that will get 60 mpg, and, if possible, whether any consideration has been
> given to fitting this motor into domestic vehicles?
>
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] diester oil

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have you had a look at our website www.biofuel.org.uk?


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Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units

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Our web site www.iofuel.org.uk. may help
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> cheneyvii wrote:
>
> >I would like information on Biodiesel production units.
>
> Biodiesel technology
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#tech
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> Best
>
> Keith
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Production Units

[martin.brook]

Have you seen our web site?
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> Our web site www.iofuel.org.uk. may help
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> To: 
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> > cheneyvii wrote:
> >
> > >I would like information on Biodiesel production units.
> >
> > Biodiesel technology
> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#tech
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> > Best
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
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[biofuels-biz] Re: biofuels

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Hi Kieth, I was wondering if you could post a note on the Biofuel forum for
anbody who knows where to get methanol in the Cambridge area or East Anglia,
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Re: [biofuels-biz] biodiesel production

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where r u?
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> Hello biofuels-biz group,
> I am interested in making biodiesel. I want to visit a home maker and
> observe how she or he is doing it.  So anyone in Europe who will let
> me see his or her production unit ?
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better

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How can we get details on the fuel sensor?
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Subject: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better


> From:
> http://www.solaraccess.com/news/story?storyid=5024
>
> Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better
>
> September 4, 2003 [SolarAccess.com] In order to
> optimize the use of biodiesel in Germany, the research
> institute FAL in cooperation with Volkswagen completed
> the development of a fuel-sensor, which can
> differentiate biodiesel from conventional diesel in
> the tank and decides engine timing according to the
> respective fuel blend. The application of a
> fuel-sensor assures that the use of biodiesel is
> reaching an optimum in terms of emission reduction and
> fuel efficiency. This new development is viewed as a
> breakthrough for biodiesel's future on the fuel
> market. The cultivation of oilseed rape for the
> production of biodiesel also benefits agriculture. The
> production of raw materials for biodiesel has meant
> that the acreage in Germany for renewable raw products
> has increased within five years from approximately
> 500,000 hectares to approximately 840,000 hectares.
> This development proves the large potential for
> renewable raw materials that aid environmental and
> climatic protection, and are in addition an important
> alternative to foodstuff production for farmers.
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better

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thanks, will keep you posted.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better


> Hi Martin
>
> I don't know and suppose you would have to get a hold
> of Bundesforschungsanstalt Fur Landwirtschaft (FAL),
> Germany or Volkswagen about this.  I couldn't find
> details on the Internet in English.
>
> Ken
>
> PS I believe I hit the wrog button and just sent a
> blank message.
>
> --- "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How can we get details on the fuel sensor?
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ken Gotberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:02 AM
> > Subject: [biofuels-biz] Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel
> > Better
> >
> >
> > > From:
> > > http://www.solaraccess.com/news/story?storyid=5024
> > >
> > > Breakthrough Burns Biodiesel Better
> > >
> > > September 4, 2003 [SolarAccess.com] In order to
> > > optimize the use of biodiesel in Germany, the
> > research
> > > institute FAL in cooperation with Volkswagen
> > completed
> > > the development of a fuel-sensor, which can
> > > differentiate biodiesel from conventional diesel
> > in
> > > the tank and decides engine timing according to
> > the
> > > respective fuel blend. The application of a
> > > fuel-sensor assures that the use of biodiesel is
> > > reaching an optimum in terms of emission reduction
> > and
> > > fuel efficiency. This new development is viewed as
> > a
> > > breakthrough for biodiesel's future on the fuel
> > > market. The cultivation of oilseed rape for the
> > > production of biodiesel also benefits agriculture.
> > The
> > > production of raw materials for biodiesel has
> > meant
> > > that the acreage in Germany for renewable raw
> > products
> > > has increased within five years from approximately
> > > 500,000 hectares to approximately 840,000
> > hectares.
> > > This development proves the large potential for
> > > renewable raw materials that aid environmental and
> > > climatic protection, and are in addition an
> > important
> > > alternative to foodstuff production for farmers.
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Bad quality at World Energy? what's that again about homebrewers???

[martin.brook]

Perhaps you could help us?
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From: "Levent Yuceer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Bad quality at World Energy?
what's that again about homebrewers???


> Hi Keith,
> I'd like to comment on the standardisation of FAME. I think, different
> analysis results are probably due to the different specifications,
accepted
> by different laboratories. As far as I know the standardisation of
biodiesel
> is not yet completed in Europe. The detailed information can be found:
> http://www.liquid-biofuels.com/Blt_ntb.pdf
> I do not know the situation in USA.
> I agree that home brewers can destroy the market if they produce and sell
> bad-products.  Many of them are not equipped with  proper facilities for
> analysis. Making biodiesel is easy but the analysis is not. Home brewers
> must measure (at least) the amount of glycerol separated during the FAME
> production which indicates the completion degree of the reaction. And of
> course the washing is extremely important to remove any glycerol and
> mono-glycerides. Excessive emulsification during the washing may indicate
> the presence of too much mono-glycerides and soaps (an uncompleted
> reaction). And of course it is not possible to remove any unreacted
veg-oil
> by washing.
> I think, if someone is going to do this job seriously, he must have some
> facilities to do at least some of the analysis, such as acid value,
> saponification value, viscosity, density, water content  and even the
iodine
> value which are not too difficult and can be done in a simple laboratory.
> Analysis of free and total glycerol and monoglycerides are a bit more
> difficult (see the above web-page for the methods).
> regards
>
> Dr.levent yuceer
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:45 PM
> Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Bad quality at World Energy? what's
> that again about homebrewers???
>
>
> > Hi Mark
> >
> > >Hi folks,
> > >This just turned up on the Biodieselnow forum (and apparently in
response
> > >to something on tdiclub I believe). Someone was complaining about what
> they
> > >thought to be poor quality biodiesel.
> > >
> > >It then came up that there was some other complaints about World Energy
> > >biodiesel sold recently in the Pacific Northwest, if I understand
> > >correctly. Then someone emailed Graham Noyes. then the following came
> back
> > >from World Energy. The Dr Dan referred to is a small independent
> biodiesel
> > >retailer.
> > >
> > >  Now what's that again about homebrewers, quality, and out-of-spec
fuel,
> > >and the quality control standards that only industry can provide??
> >
> > This is very ironic! Rhetorical question Mark, but for those who
> > weren't around at the time or don't remember, this is what Graham
> > Noyes said here:
> >
> > >The big fear of the biodiesel industry is that homebrewers
> > >are going to destroy the market.  I have seen home-brewed biodiesel
> > >cause problems in multiple locations and it has taken significant
> > >efforts to undo the damage. One region of the country in particular
> > >had large quantities of homegrown off-spec fuel that was being sold
> > >and distributed.  The use of biodiesel was substantially delayed in
> > >this area until trust for the fuel was re-established.
> >
> > Under considerable pressure, with charges that this was an apocryphal
> > yarn, a Big Industry myth, and demands for substantiation, it became
> > this:
> >
> > >I did not fabricate tales of vehicle problems from homebrew to
> > >denigrate DIY's but to share my experience.  There were a signficant
> > >number of reports of downed vehicles in a particular area (not
> > >destroyed, just clogged) of the country last year that I learned
> > >about through my full-time work with biodiesel users in the West.  I
> > >am not going to get more specific than that because I learned about
> > >these vehicles second-hand (though from several different people)
> > >and I have no direct personal knowledge regarding what happened.
> >
> > Which finally, to Graham's credit, became this:
> >
> > >I apologize that I have not been doing a better job of addressing
> > >many of the specific points made but I simply cannot keep up with
> > >the prolific nature of this group.  After some experience here, I
> > >have a much better understanding of the efforts that are being made
> > >to make top-quality fuel.  I also think I should provide some more
> > >details regarding my perspective on homebrew (and should have been
> > >more careful about sweeping statements in the first place).  While I
> > >do nothing but biodiesel 40-70 hours/week, I have not seen any
> > >significant problems result from the use of homebrew.  There are
> > >concerns but these are primarily perception rather than experience.
> > >That said, I think the more that is done for quality control for
> >

Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: possible advice?

[martin.brook]

NNamdi is welcome here but we are stretched for finance at the
moment,regards, Martin Brook, Biofuel
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To: 
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: possible advice?


> Received this, if anyone can help please email Nnamdi direct.
>
> Keith
>
>
> >From: "Nnamdi Etoh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: possible advice?
> >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:29:44 -0400
> >
> >... my name is Nnamdi Etoh, and I am currently a
> >senior at Duke University completing an interdisciplinary Bachelor of
> >Arts degree in history, political science, and cultural anthropology.
> >The overarching them of the major was the state of our global society,
> >which encompassed the environmental degredation that has occured since
> >the industrialization of the West.  The issue has sparked an intense
> >interest for me in searching for alternatives to the destructive nature
> >of the global economy today.  Naturally the idea and cause of biofuels
> >is one that appeals to me.  Essentially I was wondering how I could get
> >involved in a career with biofuels when I do not come from a scientific
> >background.  Your organizations seems to be extremely devoted to the
> >mission of promoting the use of alternative fuels.  If you could
> >recommend any firms or groups that simply seeking enthusiastic,
> >energetic and diligent graduates, please let me know.  Thank you.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >Nnamdi Etoh '04
>
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] A nice story

[martin.brook]

Nice one, Merry Christmas.
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From: "David Teal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 9:26 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] A nice story


> One of my customers for biodiesel is a musician.  He decided to build a
new
> recording studio behind his house.  First job was to excavate for the
> foundations.  Being a Brit. and careful with money, he hired a small
digger
> and had 6 friends come round with wheelbarrows to shift the surplus earth.
> On the first day, they all complained about the choking diesel fumes from
> the digger.  The second day, the musician syphoned biodiesel out from the
> tank of his car and used that to re-fuel the digger.  The 6 friends were
> very happy (but still complained that they felt hungry).  The digger
didn't
> seem to notice any difference.
> True.
>
> David T.
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Mini-turbine brings 'green power for all'

[martin.brook]

How can I buy them
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To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:57 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Mini-turbine brings 'green power for all'


> http://www.guardian.co.uk/renewable/Story/0,2763,1091895,00.html
>
> Mini-turbine brings 'green power for all'
>
> Company claims its domestic wind unit can provide 15% of average
> household's electricity needs
>
> John Vidal, environment editor
> Monday November 24, 2003
> The Guardian
>
> The winds of change will blow a little stronger this morning when a
> small Scottish company launches Britain's first wind power system
> designed to be fitted on almost any roof or wall to supplement
> electricity from the grid.
>
> Just two days after Britain's biggest offshore wind farm started
> generating electricity off the north Wales coast, the designers of
> the tiny domestic unit believe they can provide up to 15% of the
> annual electricity needs of an average house for a one-off cost of
> £750 - bringing green electricity into the price range of most
> families.
>
> The machine, a 3ft by 2ft sealed box with three blades which face
> into the prevailing wind, is backed by the energy minister, Brian
> Wilson, who is a paid consultant for Windsave, the company behind it.
>
> Unlike old-style domestic wind generators, which needed a lot of
> land, sat on top of poles and drove pumps and a few bulbs for farmers
> and backwoodsmen, the machine does not need batteries to store the
> electricity. Instead, it tops up the existing mains supply.
>
> Unlike bigger systems, it cannot sell excess power back into the
> grid. But the company believes it has cracked the holy grail of
> renewable energy - getting government subsidies and making the
> machines silent.
>
> In theory, there are handouts both for installation and for "Rocs" -
> renewable obligation charges - which currently pay green electricity
> providers about 6p per kilowatt-hour generated.
>
> The system, says the Scottish inventor David Gordon, who has pumped
> £1m into the idea, can generate up to 750 watts - enough to power
> lights but not high-energy items such as kettles or heaters.
>
> "Nobody has been able to take raw wind power and put it straight into
> the domestic electrical system at 240 volts," he said. "We will be
> able to bring green energy to the masses."
>
> Mr Wilson, who has declared his interest in the company on the House
> of Commons register and has no financial share in it, was
> enthusiastic. "I have looked at it upside down and sideways for a
> catch and I don't think there is one. The amazing thing is its
> affordability.
>
> "It will be a few hundred quid, you do your bit for the environment,
> and you get a cheque back once a year. What more can you want? It's
> been though all the standard checks and everyone who's seen it is of
> the same opinion."
>
> Mr Gordon admits that his invention is not as technically efficient
> as turbines sited on high poles to collect the optimum wind, but says
> that it is the annual supplementing of household electricity which
> makes it suitable for buildings. The machine starts working at a wind
> speed of 3mph and is said to be most efficient in a 20mph breeze -
> common for much of the year across large parts of Britain.
>
> Using the remote metering technology which made Mr Gordon's fortune
> after he sold his company to BT, each unit installed will be
> automatically phoned every quarter to see how much electricity it has
> generated.
>
> The company will then collect the subsidy from the government and
> distribute it back to owners according to how much they have
> generated. "We believe the payback period could be as little as 30
> months," said Mr Gordon.
>
> The British Wind Energy Association, which represents large-scale
> windpower generators, professed itself amazed at the development. "If
> it works, it's fantastic," said spokeswoman Alison Hill.
>
> Yesterday it was provisionally backed by Country Guardian, the lobby
> group which has opposed almost every planning application submitted
> for windpower development in Britain in the past decade.
>
> "I think they are a good idea. I don't think they'll look very
> beautiful, but we always feel that it's the people in cities who use
> the power and that we in the country have to pay the price," said Ann
> Evans, a vice-president.
>
> Local planners may be divided about whether the innovations need
> planning permission. Technically, they do not, says Mr Gordon, if
> they are sited below the highest point of houses. But many local
> authorities and heritage groups objected strongly at first to
> satellite dishes, and may not want to see large boxes with spinning
> blades put up.
>
> The machines are to be made outside Edinburgh. Local authorities,
> government offices and light industry will be targeted first,
> followed by householders in about three months.
>
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Help!! Continuous biodiesel plant wanted.( if the figures add up)

[martin.brook]

£2 where are you?
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From: Hanns B. Wetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Help!! Continuous biodiesel plant wanted.( if
the figures add up)


> Harry,
>
> One company that comes to mind is Energea, located in Austria the URL is
> http://www.energea.at/en_info.html I emailed them some months ago with a
> price query and they replied thy wanted production requirements before
being
> able to answer me. I guess that is fair enough. They seem to specialise in
> very large capacity units.
>
> Hanns
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2001 10:27 PM
> To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [biofuels-biz] Help!! Continuous biodiesel plant wanted.( if
> the figures add up)
>
>
> Can anyone direct me to companies that sell continuous biodiesel
> plants.  I followed some links to one web site that looked promising
> and emailed a request for pricing and capacity details but have no
> reply a week later.
> Regards from Harry
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biz Plan (was)Quiet...

[martin.brook]

Hi, Im in Cambridge U.K. and would love a copy of Your draft plan. By the
way I have found Schools and Hotel kitchens to be a good source of WVO.Best
regards, Martin
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From: david e cruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biz Plan (was)Quiet...


> Hi Cordain,
>
> Have you looked for a bakery or a plant that turns out fried
> snacks like potato chips etc in your area, a donut company
> is also a good bet, for your oil needs ? You may have to go
> just a little farther than you anticipated for your oil supply.
> Restaurants are not always a good bet ! I would be interested
> in the generic business plan if you could post it.
>
> Regards,
> David Cruse
> - Original Message -
> From: "doctor who" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:53 AM
> Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biz Plan (was)Quiet...
>
>
> > hello all,
> > Well good news. I've made good progress on my business plan. The actual
> > company outline/structure is really easy to write. However the
marketing,
> > research and competition portions have required tremendous amounts of
> > localized research. This is a yet not realized market in my area so I'm
> > having to write out several scenarios and then go through them with a
fine
> > tooth comb to find the most feasible, least costly but long term
effective
> > solutions. I'm also trying to minimize the costly trial and error
process.
> > To err is human, to err without forethought is silly.
> >
> > I forgot how tedious writing one of these things gets. But I'm painting
a
> > portrait not a house. So little strokes.
> >
> > My biggest challenge thus far has not even been the figuring out my
budget
> > or financial concerns as it has been finding an adequate WVO oil supply
to
> > keep up with my propossed plant size (1000 US Gallons input per 24 hours
> > period). Of the 50 or so restaurants I've queried in my immediate area
> none
> > of them [net totals] cycle out oil fast enough to meet my needs. (Which
is
> > quickly narrowing down the restaurants that I patronize.)
> >
> > Vegetable oil gets to the viscosity of used motor oil quickly with heavy
> > usage. I dont understand trying to stretch the oil (topping off old
oil),
> it
> > makes the food taste like soap after a while. I've written in an
incentive
> > program into the model that compensates restaurants for their WVO, but
I'm
> > trying to avoid that for the moment. However I may wind up resorting to
> it,
> > if WVO quality is too poor.
> >
> > I'm continuing my survey of surrounding zones (about 15 miles radious
from
> > propossed plant sites) for the the highest oil consumption. This will
> > ultimatly decide where I put the plant. Recovery and distribution
figures
> > are the most easily controlled cost in my current model.
> >
> > I may wind up moving the project closer to Washington DC as it has a
much
> > higher ratio of restaurants per square mile.
> >
> > In any case I need to get back to researching and writing my back-up
plans
> > for the model.
> >
> > If anyone is interested I can post a generic WVO business plan
(outline).
> > It's more or less a fill in the blanks deal. No single business plan is
> > going to work for every business and it's definetly a living document.
> It's
> > not a cut and dry plan, but it will get you going in the correct
> direction.
> >
> > cheers,
> > cordain
> > dulles, va
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Pat McCotter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
> > To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Quiet...
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Re: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection

[martin.brook]

Hayes where? what would a farmer do with it?
- Original Message -
From: goat industries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:29 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection


> We collect methanol from hayes, UK with no problem ... try pretending
you're
> a farmer
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:50 PM
> Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Aus suppliers
>
>
> > Hi Wooly
> >
> > In UK, I recently asked a supplier if I could collect methanol they
> > said only if the collecting driver could show full COSHH
> > certification (COSHH is Control OF Substances Harzardous to Health).
> >
> > Don't know if it's same in Oz, but over here you get it delivered and
> > don't move it again (legally) without full certification.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Wooly ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Thanks Keith
> > > That would be most helpful of you.
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > Original Message Follows
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 38
> > > Date: 15 Jul 2001 08:26:35 -
> > >
> > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever
> > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
> > > Biofuel at WebConX
> > > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm
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> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > 
> > >
> > > There are 2 messages in this issue.
> > >
> > > Topics in this digest:
> > >
> > >1. Australian Suppliers
> > > From: "Wooly ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >2. Re: Australian Suppliers
> > > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > __
> > __
> > >
> > __
> > __
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:25:44 +1000
> > > From: "Wooly ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Australian Suppliers
> > >
> > > Hi Keith, Steve and all
> > >
> > > Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy
> > doing it!
> > > Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should
> > email me off
> > > list (to link below please) if they;
> > > a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk
> > supplies, or
> > > b) believe they've found a good source of the above.
> > >
> > > Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and
> > either
> > > 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any
> > > Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we
> > might be
> > > able to soon.
> > >
> > > In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting
> > it 'from the
> > > well'. Since our BD business is a natural progression/extension of
> > our work
> > > in nationwide transport, we think there's some way we can organise a
> > > national network of supply, whether we refer you to your nearest
> > supplier or
> > > truck it to you. (Those with the storage to warehouse it for their
> > region
> > > and act as agents should also email).
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Steve Woolcott
> > > HarvestEnergy
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > __
> > ___
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > __
> > __
> > >
> > __
> > __
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:37:03 +0900
> > > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: Australian Suppliers
> > >
> > > Hi Steve
> > >
> > > When you're ready, please send me the details and I'll add it all to
> > > the Biofuels supplies page at Journey to Forever:
> > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html
> > >
> > > That it's Oz-only is no problem, I'm happy to regionalise it.
> > >
> > > By the way, it might interest you to know that Oz is the #2 source
> > of
> > > visitors to our Biofuels pages, after the US and ahead of Britain
> > and
> > > Canada. I think the membership of the Biofuels list has a similar
> > > pattern, but not so easy to tell because of all the
> > > non-country-specific Yahoos and hotmails etc.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > > Keith Addison
> > >
> > >
> > >  >Hi Keith, Steve and all
> > >  >
> > >  >Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy
> > doing it!
> > >  >Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should
> > email me
> > > off
> > >  >list (to link below please) if they;
> > >  >a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk
> > supplies, or
> > >  >b) believe they've found a good 

Re: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection UK

[martin.brook]

Thanks, nice one, will report back next week
- Original Message -
From: goat industries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection UK


> hays chemical distribution,, westington ho, manchester, 0161 8487938
>  get a quotation sent to you by fax/post then show it at the gate.
> Wear green wellies and a barbour jacket.
> - Original Message -
> From: martin.brook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection
>
>
> > Hayes where? what would a farmer do with it?
> > - Original Message -
> > From: goat industries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:29 PM
> > Subject: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection
> >
> >
> > > We collect methanol from hayes, UK with no problem ... try pretending
> > you're
> > > a farmer
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:50 PM
> > > Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Aus suppliers
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Wooly
> > > >
> > > > In UK, I recently asked a supplier if I could collect methanol they
> > > > said only if the collecting driver could show full COSHH
> > > > certification (COSHH is Control OF Substances Harzardous to Health).
> > > >
> > > > Don't know if it's same in Oz, but over here you get it delivered
and
> > > > don't move it again (legally) without full certification.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Wooly ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Keith
> > > > > That would be most helpful of you.
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Original Message Follows
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 38
> > > > > Date: 15 Jul 2001 08:26:35 -
> > > > >
> > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever
> > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
> > > > > Biofuel at WebConX
> > > > > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm
> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > There are 2 messages in this issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > Topics in this digest:
> > > > >
> > > > >1. Australian Suppliers
> > > > > From: "Wooly ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >2. Re: Australian Suppliers
> > > > > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
__
> > > > __
> > > > >
> > > >
__
> > > > __
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 1
> > > > > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:25:44 +1000
> > > > > From: "Wooly ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Subject: Australian Suppliers
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Keith, Steve and all
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy
> > > > doing it!
> > > > > Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should
> > > > email me off
> > > > > list (to link below please) if they;
> > > > > a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk
> > > > supplies, or
> > > > > b) believe they've found a good source of the above.
> > > > >
> > > > > Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and
> > > > either
> > > > > 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any
> > > > > Australians, regardless of location. If 

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: methanol collection

[martin.brook]

Hoe do I contact u now?
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:31 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: methanol collection


> Why do you need to collect the methanol?  Unless your right on their
> doorstep it must be cheaper to have them deliver.  Or is this a
> problem with North Wales?
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection

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methanol available from Northampton area collect or deliver tel 01832 731555
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From: goat industries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:29 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] methanol collection


> We collect methanol from hayes, UK with no problem ... try pretending
you're
> a farmer
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:50 PM
> Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Aus suppliers
>
>
> > Hi Wooly
> >
> > In UK, I recently asked a supplier if I could collect methanol they
> > said only if the collecting driver could show full COSHH
> > certification (COSHH is Control OF Substances Harzardous to Health).
> >
> > Don't know if it's same in Oz, but over here you get it delivered and
> > don't move it again (legally) without full certification.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Wooly ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Thanks Keith
> > > That would be most helpful of you.
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > Original Message Follows
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 38
> > > Date: 15 Jul 2001 08:26:35 -
> > >
> > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever
> > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
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> > > http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm
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> > >
> > > 
> > 
> > >
> > > There are 2 messages in this issue.
> > >
> > > Topics in this digest:
> > >
> > >1. Australian Suppliers
> > > From: "Wooly ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >2. Re: Australian Suppliers
> > > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > __
> > __
> > >
> > __
> > __
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:25:44 +1000
> > > From: "Wooly ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Australian Suppliers
> > >
> > > Hi Keith, Steve and all
> > >
> > > Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy
> > doing it!
> > > Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should
> > email me off
> > > list (to link below please) if they;
> > > a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk
> > supplies, or
> > > b) believe they've found a good source of the above.
> > >
> > > Quantities we are talking about are 25kg bags of the catalysts and
> > either
> > > 205l drum or 1000l bulk-bin of the alcohols. This applies to any
> > > Australians, regardless of location. If we can't help you now we
> > might be
> > > able to soon.
> > >
> > > In our search for these, we believe we are now almost getting
> > it 'from the
> > > well'. Since our BD business is a natural progression/extension of
> > our work
> > > in nationwide transport, we think there's some way we can organise a
> > > national network of supply, whether we refer you to your nearest
> > supplier or
> > > truck it to you. (Those with the storage to warehouse it for their
> > region
> > > and act as agents should also email).
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Steve Woolcott
> > > HarvestEnergy
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > __
> > ___
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > __
> > __
> > >
> > __
> > __
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:37:03 +0900
> > > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: Australian Suppliers
> > >
> > > Hi Steve
> > >
> > > When you're ready, please send me the details and I'll add it all to
> > > the Biofuels supplies page at Journey to Forever:
> > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html
> > >
> > > That it's Oz-only is no problem, I'm happy to regionalise it.
> > >
> > > By the way, it might interest you to know that Oz is the #2 source
> > of
> > > visitors to our Biofuels pages, after the US and ahead of Britain
> > and
> > > Canada. I think the membership of the Biofuels list has a similar
> > > pattern, but not so easy to tell because of all the
> > > non-country-specific Yahoos and hotmails etc.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > > Keith Addison
> > >
> > >
> > >  >Hi Keith, Steve and all
> > >  >
> > >  >Thanks for the jolt; the only reason I'd been quiet was I'm busy
> > doing it!
> > >  >Australian Biodiesel producers (or those planning to be) should
> > email me
> > > off
> > >  >list (to link below please) if they;
> > >  >a) are in search of NaOH / KOH, and Ethanol / Methanol bulk
> > supplies, or
> > >  >

Re: [biofuels-biz] Euroepan Standard

[martin.brook]

Hi, what happened on National Bio-fuel Day?
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To: 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 5:29 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Euroepan Standard


> I send you a link http://www.cenorm.be the standarization body that
approved
> EN 950 , the Diesel Standard that MUST follow all diesels sold in Spain
 If
> you sell another one you risk go to the jail ).
>
> More informaton in spanish too :
> http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/especificaciones.htm
>
> All the best.
>
> Pedro.
> 
> Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrol’fero
> La soluci—n a sus problemas energŽticos.
>
> http://sitio.de/energia
> http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] small production plant

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Where are you(approxiamately?
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Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:36 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] small production plant


> Hi.
> I am looking for information on a small bio-diesel plant capable of
processing about 30 tonnes of used veg oil per year. So far all the
commercial plants have been much larger than my needs and consequentially
uneconomic.
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 98

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Well done any idea of cost?
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Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 98


> I'm working on a small biodiesel plant design at present. It is contained
> within an industrial spec. trailer with an A frame on a 'fifth wheel' and
> has a 200l boiler, a 200l mixer and centrifugal filter/ separator. I plan
to
> have it on the market in April 2002 ... Paddy
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: biofuel locomotive

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Can somebody tell me how to make ethanol from wood please.Martin Brook.
Cambridge. England
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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:33 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: biofuel locomotive


> >From: "Harry Valentine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: biofuel locomotive
> >Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:47:18 -0500
> >
> >A background research paper on a railway locomotive concept, which
> >can run on renewable and biofuels, is at:
> >http://www.geocities.com/harryc11
> >
> >Thank you
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors

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Where are you Geographically R.S.V.P.  A. S. A. P- Original
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> We are interested in medium to large scale manufacturing plant of
Biodiesel
> fuel to take up commercial production.
>
> We are also interested to hear about new and improved processes developed
to
> produce Biodiesel in commercial quantity using cooking oil (used), used
> grease and animal waste. We would be interested to take it from prototype
> level to commercial level.
> Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors

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We have the expertise and experience ,please advise us of your requirements.
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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors


> We are in Toronto, Canada.
> We are looking for a Biodiesel project for a country in Asia.
> If you have the expertise and experience, please contact us either by
email
> or by phone.
> -Chandra
> (905) 257-3554
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 8:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors
>
>
> > Where are you Geographically R.S.V.P.  A. S. A. P- Original
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> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Generally Stalled Motors
> >
> >
> > > We are interested in medium to large scale manufacturing plant of
> > Biodiesel
> > > fuel to take up commercial production.
> > >
> > > We are also interested to hear about new and improved processes
> developed
> > to
> > > produce Biodiesel in commercial quantity using cooking oil (used),
used
> > > grease and animal waste. We would be interested to take it from
> prototype
> > > level to commercial level.
> > > Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [biofuels-biz] genetic engineering

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Yes please I would appreciate the info mentioned
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Subject: [biofuels-biz] genetic engineering


> there are plans to produce crops of genetically modified oil bearing
plants.
> The oil extracted could be used directly as a diesel fuel because it is
> composed of a high percentage of small chain length molecules. If anyone
> wants more info i could dig out the relevant papers.
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Renewable Energy Development In Cuba - biodiesel?

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Could you give me any   further info on IFA trucks Im based in Cambrige
England working on Bio-diesel
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Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Renewable Energy Development In Cuba -
biodiesel?


> It seems the Cubans are sticking to their ideology, that everything there
comes from sugar cane.
>
> They have all the resources (climate, land, Jatropha) to grow oil plants
and the possibility to use it directly in truck engines (IFA-trucks from
former East Germany) without conversion.
>
> But nothing happens.
>
> "Progress is a snail!"
>
> Reinhard Henning
>
> "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > http://tlent.home.igc.org/renewable%20energy%20in%20cuba.html
> > Renewable Energy Development In Cuba:
> > Sustainability Responds To Economic Crisis
> > April, 1997
> >
> > ... "Cuban annual per capita energy consumption has dropped to about
> > four barrels of oil equivalent, half of what it was before the
> > Special Period. By comparison, the U.S. uses the equivalent of 59
> > barrels of oil per person annually."...
> >
> > This is somewhat out of date, and there's no mention of biodiesel.
> > I've read elsewhere that recycling of waste oil and fats into
> > biodiesel is at a high level, but I see no more about it. Does anyone
> > have more info on this?
> >
> > By the way, there's a study tour to Cuba being organized on the topic
of:
> >
> > >SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURE:
> > >Cuba's Unprecedented Conversion to Organic Agriculture
> >
> > Contact:
> >
> > >U.S. Mailing Address:
> > >Global Exchange
> > >Cuba - Sustainable Development/Sarah Dotlich
> > >2017 Mission Street, Suite #303
> > >San Francisco, CA  94708
> > >Phone 415-255-7296, ext 231
> >
> > This should include sustainable and renewable energy. If not, why not?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding - UK

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Can you back this thory up
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Subject: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding - UK


> I'm pretty new to biofuels and have been trying to get up
> to speed by doing lots of internet browsing. I'm probably
> not too detailed on all the circumstances of the 5 recent
> people fined in Wales.
>
> But it seems to me that the police action is in breach of the UK Human
> Rights Act.
> The Act works on the basis that the application of all existing and
> future UK laws must be through the filter of the Human Rights Act.
> This would give each person the right to make a free choice as to
> which fuels to use, regardless of other legislation in place,  for
> example, that all vehicles must use taxed fuels.
> The only weakening of the Human Rights case,  I believe, would be
> if the fuel used was demonstrably unhealthy to other road users and/or
> general public. Which biodiesel and straight vegetable oil
> clearly isnt.
>
> --
> Andrew Preston
>
>
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding UK

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Thankyou
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Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:05 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding UK


> Re: Can u back this theory up?
>
> Actually I'm not sure that I can, it was more of an intuitional thing, or
> perhaps impulse. Anyway here are a few strands for consideration.
>
> Fact not theory. The Human Rights Act works on the basis that the
> application of all existing and future UK laws must be through the filter
> of the Human Rights Act. The Act is specifically designed to limit the
> powers of the state over a citizen. Incidentally do you consider yourself
> a citizen or a subject?
>
> Fact not theory. Taxation is not just an economic thing, it is an
> instrument of social policy and of state control. And a few people  using
> untaxed fuel, of any description, does not lead to anarchy and no public
> services. Significant numbers of people using untaxed fuel, or whatever,
> is a direct sign that a government and its policies, are adrift of
society.
>
> Fact not theory. The reduction in fuel tax is not a break. A break is
> when the end-user price after all costs is attractive enough to seriously
> attract the average joe. Any other way, as now, just leaves the real
> advantage in the hands of the state, and in business terms, in the hands
> of the multinationals which can profit by sheer economy of scale. Do you
> keep a count of the decline of independent fuelers/retailers? In truth,
> that is you, whether petrol or biofuel.
>
> Fact not theory. In the UK the authorities thru HM Customs, and also
> I believe the police, have developed an increasingly widespread habit of
> impounding and confiscating vehicles. This is a misuse of state power, as
> in effect an allegation is made, and a punishment carried out. A vehicle
> is not evidence; the content of the fultank is evidence.
>
> I also recall that there are some ideas around for each of us to have the
> power to choose how we pay taxes, rather than taxation rates being
> applied to specific areas, or products.
>
> So yes, somewhere in here is the idea that someone has the right under
> the Human Rights Act to start, nurture and develop a business free of
> taxation to the business or the product, and only when the scale of the
> business, in whatever terms this is considered, becomes significant, does
> taxation start to kick in. And also for a citizen to choose whether or
> not to pay tax on fuel.
>
> Andrew Preston
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Andrew Preston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:27 PM
> Subject: [biofuels-biz] Vehicle Impounding - UK
>
>
> > I'm pretty new to biofuels and have been trying to get up
> > to speed by doing lots of internet browsing. I'm probably
> > not too detailed on all the circumstances of the 5 recent
> > people fined in Wales.
> >
> > But it seems to me that the police action is in breach of the UK Human
> > Rights Act.
> > The Act works on the basis that the application of all existing and
> > future UK laws must be through the filter of the Human Rights Act.
> > This would give each person the right to make a free choice as to
> > which fuels to use, regardless of other legislation in place,  for
> > example, that all vehicles must use taxed fuels.
> > The only weakening of the Human Rights case,  I believe, would be
> > if the fuel used was demonstrably unhealthy to other road users and/or
> > general public. Which biodiesel and straight vegetable oil
> > clearly isnt.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Preston
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Andrew Preston
>
>
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel for the Far East

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Where do you need the Biodiesel?
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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:55 AM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel for the Far East


> >Dear Keith,
> >
> >I wrote to you a few days ago but got no reply.  I am in Hong Kong
> >right now but will fly to SFO tomorrow.  Where are you now?
> >
> >Our company wants to secure a good and inexpensive supply of
> >biodiesel, 1-2,000 tons per month.  Do you know anybody who can do
> >it?   It is for use in a mixed blend of environmental friendly fuel.
> >
> >When will you return to Hong Kong?
> >
> >Best regards
> >
> >Richard W Lee
> >
> >CNT BioEnergy Ltd., Hong Kong
>
> Hello Richard
>
> Maybe some of the folks here can point you to a source of biodiesel.
> There are quite a few of them listed at our website.
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#biodiesel
>
> We're in Japan, completing our journey preparations. We won't be
> returning to Hong Kong.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Keith Addison
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel for the Far East

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Yes please, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel for the Far East


> Dear All,
> I can put you in touch with a producer here in
> Thailand. They can produce up to about 20,000
> Litre/day.
> Samai
>  --- "martin.brook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Where do you need the Biodiesel?
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:55 AM
> > Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel for the Far
> > East
> >
> >
> > > >Dear Keith,
> > > >
> > > >I wrote to you a few days ago but got no reply.
> > I am in Hong Kong
> > > >right now but will fly to SFO tomorrow.  Where
> > are you now?
> > > >
> > > >Our company wants to secure a good and
> > inexpensive supply of
> > > >biodiesel, 1-2,000 tons per month.  Do you know
> > anybody who can do
> > > >it?   It is for use in a mixed blend of
> > environmental friendly fuel.
> > > >
> > > >When will you return to Hong Kong?
> > > >
> > > >Best regards
> > > >
> > > >Richard W Lee
> > > >
> > > >CNT BioEnergy Ltd., Hong Kong
> > >
> > > Hello Richard
> > >
> > > Maybe some of the folks here can point you to a
> > source of biodiesel.
> > > There are quite a few of them listed at our
> > website.
> > >
> >
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#biodiesel
> > >
> > > We're in Japan, completing our journey
> > preparations. We won't be
> > > returning to Hong Kong.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > > Keith Addison
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: "... patronising myth"

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What do Journey forever handmade products actually do?
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ; 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: "... patronising myth"


> >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:00:58 +0900
> >To: =?Windows-1252?Q?Werner_K=F6rbitz?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: "... patronising myth"
> >
> >Hello Werner
> >
> >I appreciate what you're saying, but if you also say that
> >home-brewers of biodiesel cannot produce standard-spec fuel, then
> >you're in the business of myths. The "patronising" bit didn't apply
> >to you in particular, it was directed more at a very patronising
> >statement made by a previous president of the NBB (while no longer
> >in office), part of a private communication that was relayed to me,
> >and to the demonstrated attitude of two people at World Energy.
> >
> >Best wishes
> >
> >Keith Addison
> >Journey to Forever
> >Handmade Projects
> >Osaka, Japan
> >http://journeytoforever.org/
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hello Keith,
> >>
> >>just a few lines on Your statement that "both the NBB and Werner
> >>Korbitz of the ABI still promote a patronising myth":
> >>
> >>As an independent and international competence centre we have the
> >>objective to support the development of Biodiesel in a way that it
> >>may succeed continuously without any up and down and obtain a
> >>sustainable solid market position.
> >>
> >>Experience of more than 12 years of try and error have given proof
> >>that the one conditions to reach this goal is to produce
> >>consistently standardised quality according to a well defined and
> >>mutually agreed fuel standard.
> >>
> >>This development of such a standard is influenced by the fast
> >>technical development of the modern Diesel engine and its
> >>electronically controlled fuel injection equipment, forming a very
> >>efficient unit in increasing fuel efficiency and economy and in
> >>reducing harmful emissions, but setting higher quality requirements
> >>for the fuel whether fossil or bio.
> >>
> >>With our work we have been able to meet these requirements, and
> >>recently I drove in a Volkswagen Lupo through the Austrian
> >>mountains consuming 76 mpg, - Biodiesel of course.
> >>
> >>Sorry, - we are not in the business of myths.
> >>
> >>Best regards
> >>
> >>Werner KOERBITZ
> >>Austrian Biofuels Institute
> >>www.biodiesel.at
> >>
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: "... patronising myth"

[martin.brook]

I am secretary of the Bamboo Society in the U.K. I plann to undertake a
major project in Laos shortly creating a complete community involved in
Bamboo, I wondered if there was any synergy with what you are doing, I also
wondered how you could devote and spare so much time to Biofuel.you are
certainly doing a good job. Best regards, Martin Brook
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From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: "... patronising myth"


> >What do Journey forever handmade products actually do?
>
> Handmade Projects, not products.
>
> If you visited the link I'm sure you'd find out. We're an NGO, a 3rd
> World rural development project, an education project, and a few
> other things. We don't think biofuels is the most important part of
> our project, and our main focus of interest isn't the industrialised
> nations.
>
> Why d'you ask?
>
> Are you ever going to post more than a one-liner, Martin?
>
> Keith
>
>
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: ; 
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:04 PM
> >Subject: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: "... patronising myth"
> >
> >
> > > >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:00:58 +0900
> > > >To: =?Windows-1252?Q?Werner_K=F6rbitz?=
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: "... patronising myth"
> > > >
> > > >Hello Werner
> > > >
> > > >I appreciate what you're saying, but if you also say that
> > > >home-brewers of biodiesel cannot produce standard-spec fuel, then
> > > >you're in the business of myths. The "patronising" bit didn't apply
> > > >to you in particular, it was directed more at a very patronising
> > > >statement made by a previous president of the NBB (while no longer
> > > >in office), part of a private communication that was relayed to me,
> > > >and to the demonstrated attitude of two people at World Energy.
> > > >
> > > >Best wishes
> > > >
> > > >Keith Addison
> > > >Journey to Forever
> > > >Handmade Projects
> > > >Osaka, Japan
> > > >http://journeytoforever.org/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Hello Keith,
> > > >>
> > > >>just a few lines on Your statement that "both the NBB and Werner
> > > >>Korbitz of the ABI still promote a patronising myth":
> > > >>
> > > >>As an independent and international competence centre we have the
> > > >>objective to support the development of Biodiesel in a way that it
> > > >>may succeed continuously without any up and down and obtain a
> > > >>sustainable solid market position.
> > > >>
> > > >>Experience of more than 12 years of try and error have given proof
> > > >>that the one conditions to reach this goal is to produce
> > > >>consistently standardised quality according to a well defined and
> > > >>mutually agreed fuel standard.
> > > >>
> > > >>This development of such a standard is influenced by the fast
> > > >>technical development of the modern Diesel engine and its
> > > >>electronically controlled fuel injection equipment, forming a very
> > > >>efficient unit in increasing fuel efficiency and economy and in
> > > >>reducing harmful emissions, but setting higher quality requirements
> > > >>for the fuel whether fossil or bio.
> > > >>
> > > >>With our work we have been able to meet these requirements, and
> > > >>recently I drove in a Volkswagen Lupo through the Austrian
> > > >>mountains consuming 76 mpg, - Biodiesel of course.
> > > >>
> > > >>Sorry, - we are not in the business of myths.
> > > >>
> > > >>Best regards
> > > >>
> > > >>Werner KOERBITZ
> > > >>Austrian Biofuels Institute
> > > >>www.biodiesel.at
> > > >>
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in general

[martin.brook]

I wondered how official your cooperative is and do you have a formal
constitution? I aam thinking of setting up a coop in the U.K. but all the
standard constitutions seem too "stiff", do you mind telling me how yours
works and is it reasonbly stable or is there lots of grumbling going on?
Martin, Biofuel. org .U.K.Ltd
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Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:48 AM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in general


> Apologies to those on multiple lists for all the cross-posting.
>
> I spammed a couple of the biofuel-related lists last week with some
> complaints about trying to make biodiesel in the midst of some dramatic
> local weather. We got the first real winter storm, serious rain- the
> Northern California version of winter is lots of rain and 60F. Not too
much
> to complain about considering I've lived in Leningrad and in New York.
But
> this weekend I wasn't too happy about the timing: my biodiesel equipment
is
> all outside, and I had a lot of fuel that I had JUST finished washing, and
> it was time to let it 'dry' or 'settle'. But the weather out there was
> pounding down rain (the remnants of a Typhoon that hit Guam a few days
> earlier, it turns out).
>
> I'd just recently found some info, re-reading a couple of the the U of
> Idaho biodiesel reports, about bubble drying fuel. It somehow didn't make
> it into common homebrewers' practice, everyone I've talked to said, yeah,
I
> remember reading that, but I didn't think about applying it to my
> situation.   So I tried it out under the worst possible conditions- ran a
> bubblestone into a tank of hazy biodiesel that was carefully swathed in
> tarps (therefore no real opportunity for the moisture in the biodiesel to
> excape outside the now-closed tank)- and ran some severely humid air
> through it.
>
> People have different techniques and theories about 'drying' biodiesel
> after washing. Some people leave it in an open container, and claim that
it
> clears up any water haze in anything from a day to a week. It sounds to me
> that the people doing this live in dry regions. We don't.
>
> Others (like Aleks Kac' published acid-base two-stage directions) say to
> let fuel settle for three weeks or so until it clears water haze.
>
> Other options include heating it to drive off water. There are some
> problems with this- among them, the fact that the MSDS for biodiesel says
> that biodiesel fumes are not harmful to health- unless heated.  I was
> prepared to do this as I really needed some finished fuel, but I feel like
> it's not something to take lightly, besides the obvious unnecessary energy
> input.
>
> At our biodiesel coop, we do the 'settling' technique after washing fuel.
> Sometimes it takes 10 days, but quite often it is still hazy after that
point.
> I was getting frustrated about having all of these drums of settling fuel
> sitting around at the co-op, taking up storage space, not clearing in the
> humid weather. It was the bottleneck that was messing up fuel production
> capacity- we store fuel to settle before washing, then we wash for three
> days and then we store it some more. And this is a 12' x 8' space in which
> we are trying to produce fuel for about 15-25 drivers (not very
> successfully). Sheesh. Seems like a common problem for small-scale
homebrewers.
>
> So back to the wet weather bubbledrying- it worked to clear haze in that
> fuel, humid air and all. The 'technique' is to chuck an airstone into a
> tank of hazy fuel, and bubble for 24-? hours. It doesn't seem to make
a
> really HUGE difference how much fuel you're working with- around here (in
> the humidity) Kenneth Kron cleared 3 gallons in 12+ hours, Mr.Biosmell
> cleared 55 gallons in similar conditions of humidity in under 24 hours,
> which seems about average for the several experiments with this so far
> (though in Nevada, Rainer Busch dried some fuel this way in 2-3 hours, in
> the dry desert air)...  In the storm, buried under a thick lid of plastic
> tarp, my Wet Air treatment seemed to clear up a drum of hazy fuel in
> something like two days. (I didn't check after the first 24- I eventually
> got sick of wading outside to see whether the entire site was going to go
> airborne or to float away in the storm, and of babysitting the flapping
> tarps at my house. I threw a bunch of wood on top of the tarps to hold
them
> down against all the wind, and ran away to the boyfriend's house where I
> could observe the storm from the comfort of a decadent California hot tub
> where I still spent too much time worrying that my biodiesel site was
> floating away).
>
>   48 hours into the bubbledry I got back home to some clear fuel and more
> cloudy skies.
>
> Some thoughts and questions:
>
> So the big question for me is, does clearing fuel 'haze' actually remove
> water content? Most homebrewers consider 'clear' fuel 

Re: [biofuels-biz] Canada ethanol plants need federal help-industry

[martin.brook]

Im trying to formally set up Co-ops in the U.K.Does anybody have a workable
constitution? aaand how do I protect the work,money,plant and vehicles Ive
allready contributed?
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:16 AM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Canada ethanol plants need federal help-industry


> Abandon this top-down, decentralized, think-big view and instead do
> everything to encourage small-scale, local production, from backyards
> up, including coops and on-farm operations, and I think the picture
> would be rather a different one.
>
> Keith
>
>
> http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/19036/story.htm
>
> Canada ethanol plants need federal help-industry
>
> CANADA: December 13, 2002
>
> WINNIPEG, Manitoba - Lack of startup capital and marginal returns
> could put the brakes on plans to expand Canada's ethanol industry,
> despite an optimistic outlook announced in one Prairie province.
>
> The Manitoba government said it will consider fostering the industry
> by mandating the use of cleaner ethanol-blended gasoline in the
> province.
>
> But unless the federal government creates more appealing tax
> incentives, similar to those available for U.S. ethanol producers,
> plans in Manitoba and other parts of Canada will stall, said Bliss
> Baker, president of the Canadian Renewable Fuels Association.
>
> "Without these additional incentives, I suspect we will not have much
> of an ethanol industry - period - in the future," Baker told Reuters.
>
> The lobby group met with federal finance officials this week to plead
> for Ottawa to double tax incentives to 20 Canadian cents (13 U.S.
> cents) a litre in the next federal budget, due in February.
>
> U.S. incentives equal to 23 Canadian cents a litre have helped boost
> that market enough to spur the opening of one new ethanol plant each
> month this year, Baker said.
>
> Five Canadian plants currently produce about 235 million litres (62
> million U.S. gallons) a year of the high-octane, water-free alcohol
> made from grain, and import another 100 million litres annually from
> the United States.
>
> Ethanol-blended gasoline emits lower levels of greenhouse gases. By
> 2010, Ottawa wants a third of Canadian gasoline to contain ethanol as
> part of its plan to implement the Kyoto protocol.
>
> That would create an annual market for 1.33 billion litres of
> ethanol, Baker said.
>
> But current returns on ethanol production are "marginal, at best,"
> Baker said, meaning investors and banks are reluctant to sink money
> into plants that cost C$100 million ($64 million) on average.
>
> "Our view is we can't get there without some type of initial
> incentives to help finance plants," Baker said.
>
> MANITOBA SAYS WANTS TO BECOME LEADER
>
> Manitoba, the province that was home to the country's first ethanol
> plant 20 years ago, could produce up to 140 million litres a year,
> according to a government-commission study released this week.
>
> "We've intentionally focused on an approach that would maximize local
> investment and economic benefits for rural Manitoba," said Garth
> Manness, head of Credit Union Central, who led the study.
>
> But it will cost more to produce ethanol in Manitoba than in the
> neighboring province of Saskatchewan, or nearby states like Minnesota
> and South Dakota, a prominent agricultural economist told Reuters.
>
> That's because Manitoba farmers don't grow enough wheat and would
> have to import feed to supply both hog farms and ethanol plants, said
> Daryl Kraft of the University of Manitoba.
>
> "The only caution I have is to the investors who are going to put
> their money into these processing facilities: they better proceed
> with due diligence," Kraft said.
>
> Manness said farmers would grow more feed wheat if they could access
> higher-yielding varieties, currently unavailable in Canada.
>
> Story by Roberta Rampton
>
> REUTERS NEWS SERVICE
>
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in general

[martin.brook]

Really helpfull thankyou.
- Original Message -
From: James Slayden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in general


> Here are some links:
>
> http://www.cooplife.com/startcoop.htm
> http://web.uvic.ca/bcics/store/manual/
> http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~gacoops/info10.htm
> http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/homestead/Countryside/Wcc7729cf1292d.htm
> http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~gacoops/coopinfo.htm
> http://www.coop.org/welcome.htm
>
>
> And this one in your neighborhood:
>
> http://www.icos.ie/content/content.asp?section_id=289
> http://www.saos.co.uk/Co-operation/about_co-operation1.htm
> http://www.co-op.co.uk/index.html
>
>
> There are tons of links, just need to research them .  ;-)
>
>
> James Slayden
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, martin.brook wrote:
>
> > I wondered how official your cooperative is and do you have a formal
> > constitution? I aam thinking of setting up a coop in the U.K. but all
the
> > standard constitutions seem too "stiff", do you mind telling me how
yours
> > works and is it reasonbly stable or is there lots of grumbling going on?
> > Martin, Biofuel. org .U.K.Ltd
> > - Original Message -
> > From: girl mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ;
> > ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:48 AM
> > Subject: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in general
> >
> >
> > > Apologies to those on multiple lists for all the cross-posting.
> > >
> > > I spammed a couple of the biofuel-related lists last week with some
> > > complaints about trying to make biodiesel in the midst of some
dramatic
> > > local weather. We got the first real winter storm, serious rain- the
> > > Northern California version of winter is lots of rain and 60F. Not too
> > much
> > > to complain about considering I've lived in Leningrad and in New York.
> > But
> > > this weekend I wasn't too happy about the timing: my biodiesel
> > equipment
> > is
> > > all outside, and I had a lot of fuel that I had JUST finished washing,
> > and
> > > it was time to let it 'dry' or 'settle'. But the weather out there was
> > > pounding down rain (the remnants of a Typhoon that hit Guam a few days
> > > earlier, it turns out).
> > >
> > > I'd just recently found some info, re-reading a couple of the the U of
> > > Idaho biodiesel reports, about bubble drying fuel. It somehow didn't
> > make
> > > it into common homebrewers' practice, everyone I've talked to said,
> > yeah,
> > I
> > > remember reading that, but I didn't think about applying it to my
> > > situation.   So I tried it out under the worst possible conditions-
ran
> > a
> > > bubblestone into a tank of hazy biodiesel that was carefully swathed
in
> > > tarps (therefore no real opportunity for the moisture in the biodiesel
> > to
> > > excape outside the now-closed tank)- and ran some severely humid air
> > > through it.
> > >
> > > People have different techniques and theories about 'drying' biodiesel
> > > after washing. Some people leave it in an open container, and claim
> > that
> > it
> > > clears up any water haze in anything from a day to a week. It sounds
to
> > me
> > > that the people doing this live in dry regions. We don't.
> > >
> > > Others (like Aleks Kac' published acid-base two-stage directions) say
> > to
> > > let fuel settle for three weeks or so until it clears water haze.
> > >
> > > Other options include heating it to drive off water. There are some
> > > problems with this- among them, the fact that the MSDS for biodiesel
> > says
> > > that biodiesel fumes are not harmful to health- unless heated.  I was
> > > prepared to do this as I really needed some finished fuel, but I feel
> > like
> > > it's not something to take lightly, besides the obvious unnecessary
> > energy
> > > input.
> > >
> > > At our biodiesel coop, we do the 'settling' technique after washing
> > fuel.
> > > Sometimes it takes 10 days, but quite often it is still hazy after
that
> > point.
> > > I was getting frustrated about having all of these drums of settling
> > fuel
> > > sitting around at the co-op, taking up sto

Re: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives

[martin.brook]

Very helpfull thankyou. What does vegburner do?
- Original Message -
From: Darren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:36 AM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives


> Martin
> There is a small Co-operative called Catalyst that specialise in small
> Co-operative creation.  Their fees were very reasonable when I was
> looking into things (this was some years ago).  I think they are based
> in Brighton now.  They are connected to the Radical Routes secondary
> co-operative. I don't have any links, but sure google can help
> actually I think www.bloomingfutures.com has something about Radical
> Routes
>
> Darren
> www.vegburner.co.uk
>
> -Original Message-
> From: martin.brook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 17 December 2002 20:39
> To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in
> general
>
> Really helpfull thankyou.
> - Original Message -
> From: James Slayden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in
> general
>
>
> > Here are some links:
> >
> > http://www.cooplife.com/startcoop.htm
> > http://web.uvic.ca/bcics/store/manual/
> > http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~gacoops/info10.htm
> >
> http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/homestead/Countryside/Wcc7729cf1292d.ht
> m
> > http://www.agecon.uga.edu/~gacoops/coopinfo.htm
> > http://www.coop.org/welcome.htm
> >
> >
> > And this one in your neighborhood:
> >
> > http://www.icos.ie/content/content.asp?section_id=289
> > http://www.saos.co.uk/Co-operation/about_co-operation1.htm
> > http://www.co-op.co.uk/index.html
> >
> >
> > There are tons of links, just need to research them .  ;-)
> >
> >
> > James Slayden
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, martin.brook wrote:
> >
> > > I wondered how official your cooperative is and do you have a formal
> > > constitution? I aam thinking of setting up a coop in the U.K. but
> all
> the
> > > standard constitutions seem too "stiff", do you mind telling me how
> yours
> > > works and is it reasonbly stable or is there lots of grumbling going
> on?
> > > Martin, Biofuel. org .U.K.Ltd
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: girl mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ;
> > > ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:48 AM
> > > Subject: [biofuels-biz] Bubble Drying and drying questions in
> general
> > >
> > >
> > > > Apologies to those on multiple lists for all the cross-posting.
> > > >
> > > > I spammed a couple of the biofuel-related lists last week with
> some
> > > > complaints about trying to make biodiesel in the midst of some
> dramatic
> > > > local weather. We got the first real winter storm, serious rain-
> the
> > > > Northern California version of winter is lots of rain and 60F. Not
> too
> > > much
> > > > to complain about considering I've lived in Leningrad and in New
> York.
> > > But
> > > > this weekend I wasn't too happy about the timing: my biodiesel
> > > equipment
> > > is
> > > > all outside, and I had a lot of fuel that I had JUST finished
> washing,
> > > and
> > > > it was time to let it 'dry' or 'settle'. But the weather out there
> was
> > > > pounding down rain (the remnants of a Typhoon that hit Guam a few
> days
> > > > earlier, it turns out).
> > > >
> > > > I'd just recently found some info, re-reading a couple of the the
> U of
> > > > Idaho biodiesel reports, about bubble drying fuel. It somehow
> didn't
> > > make
> > > > it into common homebrewers' practice, everyone I've talked to
> said,
> > > yeah,
> > > I
> > > > remember reading that, but I didn't think about applying it to my
> > > > situation.   So I tried it out under the worst possible
> conditions-
> ran
> > > a
> > > > bubblestone into a tank of hazy biodiesel that was carefully
> swathed
> in
> > > > tarps (therefore no real opportunity for the moisture in the
> biodiesel
> > > to
> > > > excape outside the now-closed tank)- and ran some severely humid
> air
> > > > through it.
> &

Re: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives

[martin.brook]

Thankyou, much appreciated.
- Original Message -
From: girl mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives


> I will post a detailed email about how our Berkeley biodiesel coop is
> organized, but it'll take me a few days to write it up. I get requests for
> this info a lot.
> Mark
>
>
> At 12:32 PM 12/19/2002 +, you wrote:
> >Martin
> >
> > Presently a lot of research and development with vegetable oil
> >fuels mainly SVO systems.   Also biofuel promotion, lobbying and
> >consultation.
> >
> > See www.vegburner.co.uk
> >
> >Darren
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: martin.brook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: 18 December 2002 08:41
> >To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] UK Co-Operatives
> >
> >Very helpfull thankyou. What does vegburner do?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Biofuels at Journey to Forever
> >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
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Re: (response to Keith) Re: [biofuels-biz] Biofuel Business Plan Group Kicking Off Projects NOW

[martin.brook]

I agree with most of what Haken says, You have been talking about it for
weeks, what about starting it. confucous says the journey of a thousand
miles starts with the first step.
- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: (response to Keith) Re: [biofuels-biz] Biofuel Business Plan
Group Kicking Off Projects NOW


>
> Dear Andrew,
>
> I have been an entrepreneur for the most part of my active live and
> started quite a few businesses and if you adapt your ambitions, goals
> and methods as you go along, it could be a valuable contribution. I
> have been actively involved in businesses in more than 14 countries
> and have some points for you, apart that you should listen carefully
> to Keith and think about what he is saying,
>
> 1. A business plan is a map that from its start is very rough and needs
> to be adjusted all the time. The old joke about military who says "If
> the map does not fit with the terrain, follow the map", is disastrous
> for business. Therefore I would talk more about adaption than alignment.
> I do not know how much experiences you have from early startup
> phases, but recognize that you have participated in business planning
> and have experiences.
>
> 2. It is knowledge, enthusiasm, energy and stubbornness that creates
> new businesses and markets for them. Values that are a prerequisite for
> any ground breaking work. It is very few large companies that can live
> with entrepreneurs, the only one I have close work experiences from, was
> ITT, when Harold Geneen was still in charge. By the way, I was shocked
> by his language the only time I participated in a meeting with him, very
> American. What made ITT was its decentralized structure and at the
> time the best flexible planning, budget, accounting and follow up system.
>
> 3. Entrepreneurs are very much like artists and if you are a gallery
> representing artists, you need to be humble, supportive, show patience
> and respect for the work they do. To represent artists is an art in it
self.
>
> I could go on forever to talk about starting up a business and all the
> things that happens, but the three points above are most important.
>
> I think that your goals of helping is better served by a number of
> business plan templates, flexibility and adaption. Rather than standard
> planning and alignment. It could be a very valuable help for many and
> can also result in strength of a loosely knit interest organization.
>
> Hakan
>
>
>
> At 01:44 PM 12/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Keith,
> >
> >Thanks for your candid feedback and good ideas.  Before I address your
> >specific points and
> >questions, let me try to clarify that the basic motivation for forming
this
> >group as I see it, through a hypothetical:
> >
> >On the consumer side, if I am in New York and I'm interested in questions
> >like:
> >
> >a) how my kid can ride to school in a cleaner bus
> >b) who in NY city government can I call to demand that she ride to school
in
> >a cleaner bus
> >c) what vehicle I can buy TODAY that can be more environmentally friendly
> >d) why the local staff of my favorite environmental organizations don't
> >support biodiesel
> >e) what the heck is the connection between fossil fuels and the
destruction
> >of my downtown skyline last year
> >f) what local businesses should I patronize that are running
environmentally
> >friendly vehicles
> >
> >... it is currently quite a time consuming and daunting task to find
those
> >answers, and most people with jobs and families simply aren't going to.
I
> >think we can assist people in educating themselves on
> >local/regional-specific level, and grow our political consituency and the
> >market demand for BD, as a result, and in turn effect greater change.
> >
> >Similarly, on the business side, if I am in New York and I want to start
a
> >local environmentally and socially-responsible energy business, I'm
trying
> >to assess questions like:
> >
> >a) what are the local market opportunities are and who (fleet owners,
> >building managers with boilers, etc.) controls them,
> >b) what is the local tax/incentive situation
> >c) who is already in the business locally that I might partner or have to
> >compete with
> >d) how I can get effective local PR done to help my fledgling local
business
> >grow, etc.?
> >
> >Or if I own a local business with a vehicle fleet and I have heard of
this
> >thing called BD but don't know where to get it, I want answers to
questions
> >like:
> >
> >a) what my range of choices of suppliers would be
> >b) what the difference between buying BD from soybean oil from World
Energy
> >and buying from someone that has processed recycled oil from Chinatown
> >restaurants would be
> >etc.
> >
> >In all these cases is quite difficult to find reliable answers in context
to
> >locally-specific questions such as these.  The result is fewer
businesses,
> >less economical supply, less awareness, and less de

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] OT: Perspective on US Oil Dependencies

[martin.brook]

Sounds good to me
- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ; 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] OT: Perspective on US Oil Dependencies



I wrote the following for publication at "Energy Saving Now", please look,
comment, correct and suggest a good heading, I took the heading for this
discussion as a temporary one and maybe it is the best. I would also be
happy if Keith could look at the language.

Perspective on Oil Dependencies
---
It does not take much knowledge in mathematics to understand that the
equations in the demand and supply situation is impossible. See attached
article from New York Times [Dec 27, 2002] WASHINGTON Dec. 25 (will be a
link on the site).  We have said this many times in our discussions. Middle
East have 70% of the oil reserves, Iraq and Saudi Arabia have more than
half of those. According to professor Hubbert's calculations for production
from finite resources, Middle east is at the moment at the peak of
production capacity and will not have the capacity to meet the demands.
professor Hubbert's methods have proven to be quite accurate during the
last 50 years of experiences from them.

It is no relief for the world and it is no escape from the dependence of
Middle East oil reserves. North America who is taking around a third of
the  current oil production, or half of the industrialized countries use of
oil, is already at a difficult junction. They have to chose if they are
going to secure the oil supplies by force and occupation or trust
democratic and peaceful means. The peaceful route is very insecure,
especially with the current Israel - Palestine problem, that have to be
solved very fast if it should be possible. Israel is a loose canon with its
current policies of occupation and suppression. US and UK are in favor of
the occupation of Iraq. They would in this case secure the Iraqi oil and
with enough troops in Iraq, they would have sufficient pressure on Saudi
Arabia to make them walk the line. Iraq with Saddam Hussein nor the
Palestine resistant movements are smart enough to realize that a
confrontation policy is at this time the worst they can do, since it gives
US and UK the alibi for occupation. All alternatives in this equation is
high risk games and can backfire, the occupation alternative has a very
short window of opportunity, if it should have any excuses based on war
against terrorism or weapons of mass destruction. Passing this window, an
occupation have to be done in the light of a brutal and illegal occupation,
against a popular world opinion including and the popular support in UK and
US. that maybe make it impossible to do.

The oil industry are not helping and are basically divided in two camps.
The Dutch based Shell and some other minor oil companies, against the US,
UK and other major oil companies. It is almost pathetic to see the
resistant towards ethanol and biodiesel/SVO, with the propaganda war in
Australia as the current and most visible example. It is also pathetic to
see the slow phase of implementing energy saving measures. This in a time
when our achievements the next 10 to 20 years are going to be the most
crucial in modern times.

For emerging industrial nations and developing countries, it is no space in
the oil equation. It does not take much of mathematical and political
knowledge to come to this conclusion. The only road to continuing
development is aggressive energy conservation and alternative energy
sources. The successes are gong to be measured in how fast the can develop
oil independence.

Hakan



At 12:00 AM 12/30/2002 -0800, murdoch wrote:
>Growing U.S. Need for Oil From the Mideast Is Forecast
>Despite White House statements, US growing more dependent on Saudi
>oil.
>
>Source: New York Times [Dec 27, 2002] WASHINGTON Dec. 25 - As
>President Bush seeks to reduce American reliance on oil imported from
>the Persian Gulf, new government studies predict that in two decades
>the West will be even more dependent on oil from Saudi Arabia and
>other Middle Eastern producers.
>
>Mr. Bush, asked a week ago on the ABC News program "20/20" about the
>importance of Saudi Arabian oil, said that "we must have an energy
>policy that diversifies away from dependency" on foreign sources of
>oil - including some that "don't like America."
>
>Late last month, the Department of Energy's Energy Information
>Administration forecast that in 2025 the majority - 51 percent - of
>world oil production would come from the Organization of the Petroleum
>Exporting Countries. About two-thirds of OPEC production, in turn,
>emanates from the Persian Gulf. The Energy Information Administration,
>or E.I.A., says OPEC now produces 38 percent of the world's oil.
>
>The information administration projects that Saudi Arabia will need to
>produce 22 million barrels a day by 2020 to meet increased world
>demand, far in excess of its current production o