Re: [Biofuel] test please
well crud, now i have THAT to track down... oh well, thanks folks. On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 18:22 -0500, M&K DuPree wrote: > getting through > - Original Message - > From: "root" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:10 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] test please > > > > please reply if this gets through, i changed email clients, and now i > > keep getting rejected emails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] test please
please reply if this gets through, i changed email clients, and now i keep getting rejected emails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Open Letter to Bush from a Young Arab Woman
this woman is right, i dont think i could even make myself disagree as a joke... On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 21:36 +0900, Keith Addison wrote: > http://eatthestate.org/10-24/OpenLetterto.htm > Arab Woman > > by Mira Al Hussein > > 2 August 2006 > > President Bush, > > It has become extremely difficult to give you the benefit of the > doubt on Lebanon, for you have left no doubt in our minds. We are now > certain--like many of us have always been--that your foreign policy > is completely biased towards Israel, and you have made no effort to > hide this fact. > > It is your choice, Mr. Bush, to support Israel, just like it is > our--the entire Arab and Muslim world's--choice to support Lebanon. > You insist that Israel has the right to defend itself. Defending > oneself, I believe, is a universal right, not exclusive to Israel. > > "The first Qana massacre did not quench the Israeli thirst for > blood," it is said, graphically describing yet another Israeli crime > against the innocents of Lebanon. In Qana, 57 weaponless, defenseless > civilians died in an Israeli air strike. Thirty-seven of them were > children. Maybe these numbers don't matter to you, Mr. Bush; they are > mere numbers of the nameless Lebanese dead. But they matter to more > than 200 million Arabs in the Middle East. > > I quote our late president, Shaikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, who in > 1973 had said, "Arab oil is not dearer than Arab blood." But it seems > that Iraqi oil is dearer than American blood. I am somewhat relieved > to arrive at this conclusion. At least there's no racism against a > certain group of people. Everybody is a potential sacrifice to secure > US interests, even if it means sacrificing a whole nation. > > No, Mr. Bush, we will not accept, nor will we allow the sacrifice of > more Lebanese civilians. A ceasefire should have been enforced two > weeks ago. Was there a need for 37 children to die before you decided > it was time for a ceasefire? How many more, Mr. Bush, should die > before you decide to stop sending those bloody weapons to Israel? > Perhaps we can afford a sacrifice that will rein in your generosity > towards Israel permanently? > > We, the people of the Middle East, have a dream for a new Middle > East. Not the "New Middle East" that you've been brainstorming in > your Oval Office. It is the new Middle East that Middle Easterners > have been dreaming of: a Middle East with no violence, and no US-made > weapons to fuel that violence. It is a dream only we, Middle > Easterners, are allowed to dream and realize. > > In Arabic we have a saying that goes, "They murder the murdered and > walk in his funeral." Allow me to interpret this for you, Mr. Bush: > Your precision-guided missiles shipment has arrived in Tel Aviv. > These missiles will "precisely" fall onto Lebanese villages; kill > hundreds; and displace thousands more. (Evidently, we've just > witnessed the first "precise" target in Qana.) > > Yet you have "compassionately" been able to send aid to Beirut, at > the same time, with supplies for the thousands of people directly and > fatally affected by your vocal, (im)moral and military support for > Israel. Please include US flags in your aid shipment to Beirut; they > must have burned all the US flags in stock. > > Mr. Bush, Lebanon can and will be rebuilt, but lost lives cannot be > restored. Your credibility and your government's credibility have > long been lost--irretrievably lost like those lost innocent lives. > However, people will not forget this. They will not turn the other > cheek; they will retaliate--just like you chose to retaliate after > 9/11. Retaliation is a value you have successfully promoted by > putting it into practice, always. > > I was born too late to see how the British Empire collapsed, but > right on time to see how the American Empire is falling apart. Mr. > Bush, you will surely be remembered in history for hastening that > process. > > With no more respect to offer, > > Mira Al Hussein > > Mira Al Hussein is a writer based in Dubai, United Arab Emirates who > has written for Dubai's English-language Khaleej Times. She can be > reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biof
Re: [Biofuel] Farmer in France arrested for driving vegetable-poweredtruck
big brother might have the size and power, but little brother has the speed and a Tazer... On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 18:42 -0700, Derick Giorchino wrote: > Good for him. I hope the law looses there case against him. Maybe we as > people of the world should get together in groups and buy the land as groups > so all the roads are owned by the land owners as is done here in the states > in some places as private planed communities. This will take time but the > absurd thing about this is we the people of the world have purchased the > roads many times over yet we are held to a higher standard than an owner. > Why? > Is it that we are not doing what big brother tells us to do? We are not > lining there pockets. > I think it is time to show big brother that we have grown up and don’t need > our hands held at every turn. Nor slapped. Some day little brother will > stand up if there is not some understanding of what we need or want. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:07 PM > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: [Biofuel] Farmer in France arrested for driving > vegetable-poweredtruck > > Forwarding from another source. > You may need a subscription to see the full article via the URL. > Darryl > === > > http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article1214520.ece > > Friday, August 4th, 2006 > > John Lichfield in Paris > > A French farmer faces prosecution for driving on public roads in a > vegetable-powered truck. > > Olivier Lainé, a cereals farmer based near Rouen in Normandy, believes he > will go down in history, not as a criminal, or tax-evader, but a > “revolutionary”. > > M. Lainé, 49, was arrested near his farm by French customs officers. He > faces prosecution for driving a vehicle powered by an “unauthorised fuel” - > namely pure vegetable oil, made from colza, or rape seed, grown on his own > farm. > > An EU directive passed last year instructs member states to encourage the > use of pure vegetable oil as a form of fuel for diesel-powered vehicles. > Paris has failed so far to translate the directive into law. > > “They say that I am breaking the law. I say that they are breaking European > law,” M. Lainé said. “We will see who is right. What I am doing will be > seen as the beginning of a revolution. The world is short of fossil fuels. > It has a surplus of agricultural produce. Using pure vegetable oil as a > fuel can make a small contribution to solving both problems.” > > > M. Lainé is spokesman within the département of Seine-Maritime for the > militant small farmers’ union, the Confédération Pay-sanne. The union > accused the French government yesterday of “hypocrisy”. > > Paris talks of making a contribution to a cleaner environment, the union > said, but blocks local initiatives to use pure vegetable oil. > > The use of vegetable oil as fuel is authorised for vehicles while operating > on a farm. It is illegal to drive vegetable-powered vehicles on public > roads because no tax has been paid on the fuel. > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] technology hot wires electric cars
i am seeing all these estimates of 120MPH or 135MPH and wonder, if that 200mile charge can hold anything remotely close to those speeds, then what is to say that you couldnt design the thing for 65MPH and four or five hundred miles on a charge? that is enough to take me to my mother-in-laws house five hours away and a big chunk of the way home again... On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 18:19 +, AltEnergyNetwork wrote: > > > > > Technology hot wires electric cars > > > < > http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060809/AUTO03/608090317/1149 > > > > Autos in a variety of price ranges go farther, faster > as gas price sparks their appeal. > > Jennifer Saranow / Wall Street Journal > > The electric car is trying to shake its puttering > golf-cart image and be reborn as a futuristic > high-speed sports vehicle. > > With rising gas prices, advances in battery > technologies and an aging generation looking for > a low-key way to ride around their communities, > a host of companies are betting that battery-powered > vehicles finally will catch on. > > Some carmakers are coming out with models they claim > can go greater distances on a single battery charge > and go much faster than previous versions. Others > are adding carlike features such as sunroofs and > steel doors to a slower class of battery-powered > electric vehicles, hoping drivers will see them as > perfect second cars. More states, meanwhile, are > adopting legislation allowing lower-speed electric > vehicles on some public roads, though not on highways. > > The comeback bid is even extending to movie theaters, > where a documentary, "Who Killed the Electric Car?" > opened last month. The movie looks for conspiracies > behind why electric cars -- specifically General > Motors Corp.'s EV1 -- were on the market for such > a short time in the late 1990s. > > Smaller automakers are largely behind the current > revival. Silicon Valley startup Tesla Motors Inc. > last week began taking orders for its Tesla Roadster, > a battery-powered electric sports car ($85,000 to > about $110,000) that the company says can go up to > approximately 135 miles per hour and run for 250 > miles per charge. Similarly, Wrightspeed Inc. is > developing a $100,000 electric sports car that it > hopes will last 200 miles per charge and run up to > about 120 mph. Another startup, Phoenix Motorcars Inc. > , plans to begin selling two electric vehicles early > next year that it says will be able to go up to 85 > mph and last 120 miles per charge. > > The resurgence of the battery electric vehicle comes > as rising gas prices are spurring many consumers to > look for ways to save at the pump, including opting for other new > fuel-saving technologies that have hit the market in recent years, such as > hybrid vehicles, which use a combination of gasoline engines and electric > motors to boost fuel efficiency. > > High gas prices encouraged Charisse James, a 59-year-old > retiree in Lincoln, Calif., to buy a low-speed > electric-powered vehicle last summer that she uses > instead of her Lincoln LS to drive downtown for > grocery shopping, eating out, hair appointments and > other errands. > > "It costs pennies just to plug this thing in," says > James, who estimates she now spends about $50 every > two weeks to fill up her regular car, versus about > $50 weekly before. > > More to choose > > Electric-car companies say driving their vehicles, > depending on the cost of electricity, can cost anywhere > from about a cent to 3 cents per mile or anywhere > from under $1 to just less than $8 for a full charge. > Varying by model, the vehicles take from around one > hour to eight or more hours to charge and can be plugged > into regular electrical outlets. > > Among other battery-powered electric vehicles hitting > the market that are more like regular cars, > transportation-technology company Zap recently > began delivering to dealerships its Xebra "city car," > a three-wheel, four-door $8,900 electric vehicle that > can go up to 40 mph and last up to 40 miles per charge. > It's Zap's fastest and longest lasting electric vehicle > on the market to date (options available include stereos > and leather seats). Miles Automotive Group Ltd. has started > selling its two-passenger ZX40 model, an electric car > with steel doors and cup holders that can go up to 25 > miles per hour and last up to 40 miles per charge. > > Later next year, the company plans to introduce > another model that can go up to 80 mph and last at > least 200 miles per charge. Today, the Electric Drive > Transportation Association estimates there are between > 60,000 and 76,000 low-speed, battery-powered electric > vehicles on the road in the U.S., up from about 56,000 > in 2004. > > Technologically advanced > > Many of the faster models still have to finish being > tested and will be available only in limited markets > initially. Tes
