Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
I stick to soy milk myself and usually filter water... D. Mindock wrote: > Hi Mike, > Yep, homogenization breaks the particles down to such a small size > that they > can pass through the gut into the body cavity where they put a burden > on the immune > system. Pastuerization adds to the problem by destroying the "life > force" of the > milk, the enzymes. Of course the milk has to be from a healthy animal > that is grass > fed. Soy is controversial in that it has hormonal effects. Also it is > a GM crop with > all that that implies. But if you seem to be thriving on it, eh, what > the heck? >WRT distilled water, just take an extra mineral tablet each day. > That's what I do. The thing with distillers is that they are poor wrt > to removing > volatile gases, like benzene, etc. So I run the water through a carbon > filter like > that from Pur to get those gases out. Also there's the removal of > lead, cadmium, > etc., then the distiller cleans up the residual. So the water is > pretty clean. It is strange > though that the Pur filter allows the flouride to pass through. Who > needs that crap? > Anyway, the distiller removes it. > Peace and light, D. Mindock > > - Original Message - > *From:* M&K DuPree <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:39 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis > asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > > Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly > small particles that actually scar the lining of the esophagus and > arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate > along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I > know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on > cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other stuff to be > drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know > minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bother me > about taste...if you can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! > Yeah, I'm closed minded on this one!! LOL Mike DuPree > > - Original Message - > From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as > AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > > > Hi Mike, > > I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When > > milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful > > to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the > > Harvard study would actually be better off. > > Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic. > > Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas > > drink their milk cultured, not straight up. > > Peace, D. Mindock > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as > Anesthesia > > WasTestimonials as Evidence) > > > > > >> From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept. > >> > >> Caveat: No proof other than what I've read over the years. > >> > >> It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer > from are > >> in large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third world, > >> disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of > food and > >> adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer > from the > >> diseaeses of affluence: diabetis being the one that comes to mind, > >> along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high > blood > >> pressure, strokes and so on. Smoking is another factor. > >> > >> Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website: > >> > >> In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake > doesn't > >> actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For > e
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Hi Mike, Yep, homogenization breaks the particles down to such a small size that they can pass through the gut into the body cavity where they put a burden on the immune system. Pastuerization adds to the problem by destroying the "life force" of the milk, the enzymes. Of course the milk has to be from a healthy animal that is grass fed. Soy is controversial in that it has hormonal effects. Also it is a GM crop with all that that implies. But if you seem to be thriving on it, eh, what the heck? WRT distilled water, just take an extra mineral tablet each day. That's what I do. The thing with distillers is that they are poor wrt to removing volatile gases, like benzene, etc. So I run the water through a carbon filter like that from Pur to get those gases out. Also there's the removal of lead, cadmium, etc., then the distiller cleans up the residual. So the water is pretty clean. It is strange though that the Pur filter allows the flouride to pass through. Who needs that crap? Anyway, the distiller removes it. Peace and light, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually scar the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bother me about taste...if you can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! Yeah, I'm closed minded on this one!! LOL Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > Hi Mike,> I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When> milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful> to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the> Harvard study would actually be better off.> Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.> Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas> drink their milk cultured, not straight up.> Peace, D. Mindock> > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia > WasTestimonials as Evidence)> > >> From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.>>>> Caveat: No proof other than what I've read over the years.>>>> It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are>> in large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third world,>> disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and>> adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the>> diseaeses of affluence: diabetis being the one that comes to mind,>> along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood>> pressure, strokes and so on. Smoking is another factor.>>>> Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:>>>> In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't>> actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,>> in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female>> nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were>> at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who>> drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3>> <http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references>)>> Other studies have found similar results.>>>> It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop "a disease" if>> they don't eat the milk of another species. Dogs don't need cat milk.>>>> bob allen wrote:>>>>>Howdy Terry,>>>>>>Terry Dyck wrote:>>>>>>>>>>HI Bob,>>>>>>>>The Western world has the highest rate of C
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Mike, You wrote: "Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod..." Please, no. This goes back many years, but I heard a presentation by a Dr. Shapiro of the Univ. of Pittsburgh School of Public Health in which he suggested that softened, or worse, distilled water increases one's risk of cardiovascular disease. His conclusion was based on studies of communities that "softened" their water and then went back to "hard" water. There was an increase in cardiovascular disease in the years following treatment to soften the water. There was a decrease in cardiovascular disease in the years following reverting back to hard water. (Zinc may have been the key element.) I believe that this is why cold water lines for drinking and food prep .. bypass water softeners when the water softeners are properly installed. There has been much discussion about practices that grow healthful foods, and processing that compromises the healthfulness of our food. Please consider the water you drink as well. If you do not have access to good, healthful water, and distilled is your best option, I wonder if there is a way to restore it to a more natural state. I know that some beer brewers living in municipalities that soften their water, add something to restore the minerals. Wishing you good health, Tom - Original Message - From: M&K DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) Hi D and Mike...isn't homogenized milk whipped up into incredibly small particles that actually scar the lining of the esophagus and arteries, thereby, allowing cholesterol to more easily coagulate along the linings? Whether or not it does, I say "soy milk." I know I know...tastes terrible, to some. But I only use it on cereals and a couple of desserts. Plenty of other stuff to be drinking, likeuh, waterdistilled of course...I know I know minerals etc etc...hey...distilledperiod...and don't bother me about taste...if you can taste it, it ain't water you're tasting! Yeah, I'm closed minded on this one!! LOL Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > Hi Mike,> I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When> milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful> to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the> Harvard study would actually be better off.> Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.> Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas> drink their milk cultured, not straight up.> Peace, D. Mindock> > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia > WasTestimonials as Evidence)> > >> From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.>>>> Caveat: No proof other than what I've read over the years.>>>> It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are>> in large part due to environment/lifestyle. In the third world,>> disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and>> adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the>> diseaeses of affluence: diabetis being the one that comes to mind,>> along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood>> pressure, strokes and so on. Smoking is another factor.>>>> Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:>>>> In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't>> actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,>> in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female>> nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were>> at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who>> drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3>> <http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references>)>> Othe
Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
FYI .. drugs that are found to be unsafe and are pulled are then frequently re-packaged and used by Veterinarins to treat our animals. .. Tamiflu has now being used in some Vet Clinics. Posts from a couple of my animal related lists have indicated that Tamiflu isn't successful there either. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org >From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis >asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) >Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:48:44 -0500 > >I don't see how skepticism can determine quality. I do agree that claims >need to be backed up >with sound studies. There has been a lot of studies done wrt to herbs, >essential oils, and vitamins. >If you examine the track record between drugs and alt remedies you will see >that drugs are >largely an empty promise, regardless of the studies done prior to their >release by the FDA. >The FDA is supported by Big Pharma so it is hard to imagine how they can >ever be unbiased. >And then there's the well known revolving door between the FDA and drug >companies. >About 200,000 people die each year from drugs that have supposedly been >found to be safe. >Big Pharma has at anytime thousands of lawsuits to contend with. See: >http://www.newstarget.com/019497.html >The main idea is that most drugs are dangerous to human health, regardless >of the studies saying >otherwise. Follow the money. I equate prescription drugs to soda. Both are >very heavily >promoted, billions of dollars per year, and both are detrimental to health. >That said, >there are some good drugs, like nootropics, for example. L-Deprenyl, >hydergine, piracetum, >etc., are actually helpful. >Peace, D. Mindock > > >- Original Message - >From: "Michael Friebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 1:42 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as >AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > > > > Health care today is industrialized medicine, driven by profit & focused > > on treating the symptom rather preventing the disease. It is up to the > > individual to apply skepticism to the claims of this industry to protect > > both health & pocketbook. We must take full responsibility for our >health > > if we wish to be truly healthy; we cannot trust government or industry >to > > do it for us. The best way to do this is to rely on both the most > > effective & cheapest healthcare known to Man---prevention, along with >the > > judicious use of only those treatments & medicines whose efficacy & > > undesired effects is backed by sufficient evidence. Neither >conventional > > nor alternative medicine should be given a free ride, and while much of > > conventional medicine cannot be trusted, neither can most of the > > alternative. The safety of any treatment is completely depended upon & > > proportional to the evidence we have regarding it. Until an >"alternative" > > treatment is backed by sufficient evidence, and by more! > > than testimonial evidence or hearsay, its use is dangerous to some > > degree. Education & skepticism are both critical to good health in > > today's information-glutted & profit-driven world. We can only act to > > protect ourselves by the quality of the knowledge we possess, and while >we > > gain our knowledge through education, we determine its quality through > > skepticism. Mike > > > > > > - Original Message > > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:58:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia > > WasTestimonials as Evidence) > > > > > > The main edifice of "conventional" allopathic (cure-the-symptom) > > so-called Western medicine, ie industrialised medicine, is all the > > hospitals. > > > > Occupying very many of those hospital beds are patients suffering > > from iatrogenic illnesses, that is sickness caused by medical > > treatment (225,000 deaths per year in the US from iatrogenic causes - > > JAMA. 2000 Jul 26;284(4):483-5). Nonetheless a fair
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Hi D .. Actually, I believe that so much we are given is given to allow us the opportunity to Learn .. and learning can cover a lot of territory. We either get it or we don't and when we don't .. that lesson comes back again and again. Tonight, one of my business partners and I were talking about either that film or one very similar she had either seen or heard about while in Maryland .. but I thought she said that there were 3 "healers" working at the same time while the tumor was actually being filmed .. 3 inch tumor .. sorry that's all I remember about that brief discussion. Definitely want to see that film!! .. and not that it matters if there were 1, 3 or 15 "healers" commanding a physical tumor to "be gone" .. it was done .. WOW!! .. and now we have some contacts and hopefully will soon be obtaining it. Having been raised in a fundamental christian religion I was always told that if I really wanted something I should pray for it .. if I didn't get it then my "Faith" wasn't strong enough. Perhaps that's why I've become such a fan of Dr.Emoto's work in "Messages from Water". His discovery of Positive vs. Negative and their effect on water took that sunday school lesson of guilt and just pitched it out the window .. Thank you Dr.Emoto!! Also having been raised in a household of 3 Chemical Engineers .. President of Solvey (division of Allied Chemical at the time), Head of Patients of Union Carbide before her retirement (and before Dow), .. and brother .. keeper of records of ALL those tests that are done before something is marketed for at least 3 different chemical companies. Such a vested interest in acknowledging the PHYSICAL and ONLY THE PHYSICAL concerning what life and living is all about .. not to mention a vested interest in making a profit at whatever cost .. called the "bottom line". This was "Table Talk" .. you know, family gatherings like birthdays, anniversaries, holidays. BUT with that film of the eradication of a "physical" tumor .. whoever made it .. takes that "Only The Physical" concept and also does a pitching out of windows action .. humm .. I like it!! Some days I am so grateful to be living in today's emerging awareness that so much of what we have be taught to be ABSOLUTE is more of a MAYBE .. or even a maybe. I know so many people who do this stuff on a daily basis .. really good ones. I repeatedly see physical results from psychic connections and I find such a sadness when those in authority will not act on information and life is actually lost .. such blindness. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org >From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis >asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:15:19 -0500 > >Hi Marylynn, >Some do volunteer to be tested. I saw one woman, a psychic, from >California in a documentary, >I think on the Learning Channel. Anyway, she was filmed for the test. She >was presented >a person with a disease. That is all she knew. First she located the area >of >the disease. >It was in the abdomen and she found the diseased area quickly. It was a >cancerous >tumor. Then she worked on the area using energy techniques (Reiki, Qi >Gong?). The camera switched >over to infrared. As she worked on the man, you could see the tumor >shrinking. She did not >touch the man. Within an hour the tumor had essentially disappeared. This >is >not science but it was very dramatic. >This documentary was filmed in Japan, I believe. I don't remember the >woman's name. >Maybe someone else has details on this? It was perhaps three or four years >ago when I saw >this. >I think being sick with a dis-ease happens to get our attention & to teach >us something. >Peace, D. Mindock > >- Original Message - >From: "Marylynn Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as >AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence) > > > > Anyone who "looks and listens" at what is daily offered will have a life > > full of wonders and with wonders there comes something called gratitude > > for > > being even momentarily allowed to witness/experience that part
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Hey D...I hear ya. Much is lost oftentimes in the written word, especially tone of voice and other body language, so I sometimes don't know if I'm running up against a real arrogance or genuine inquiry. Nonetheless, I agree that objections to our beliefs and feelings, especially as they shape our perceptions of what is, can only be clarified if indeed we are truly "open-minded." In that regards, I recognize I am very "close-minded" about one thing, our connection to all that is. But curiously, this makes me very "open-minded" to both the probabilities and possibilities inherent within those connections, an attitude I find lacking in our dear self-professed archetype/cultural icon Bob and so many folks. And I wonder that it is because of this that we face so many of the "problems" that we do today or ever. I'm satisfied, however, that it doesn't matter. What is true is true, and ours is not to make it so, but only to realize it. Not an easy task being human. Thanks for your many posts D. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:51 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis asAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)> Yo Mike,> I'm a night owl. I go to bed at dawn. Four years working rotating shifts> as a weather> forecaster has totally screwed up whatever body clock I had. I was a > preemie> and the> lights were on all the time. That was the first assault on my body clock.> Bob is Bob (did Joe say that first?) is all I can say. He doesn't seem > to> give much credence to people's experience or opinions based on experience> and at the same time he has too much faith in science. These> are my opinions and I know they don't adequately express what is > percolating> in the back of> my head. But I do like Bob. I think he does help us as we try to formulate> our> beliefs and feelings in things far more important than scientific data.> Peace, D. Mindock>>>> - Original Message - > From: "M&K DuPree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 3:59 AM> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as> AnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)>>>> Love your sense of humor D, ie Bob's love of data etc at times being "awe>> inspiring." But Bob might consider your comments awful. It's 4am as I>> write this, and I'm awfully tired. Mike DuPree>>>> - Original Message - >> From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 2:33 AM>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia>> WasTestimonials as Evidence)>>>>>>> Yep, I too admire scientists, real truth seeking ones, not those who can>>> be>>> bought to produce desired>>> outcomes. My degree is in science, atmospheric. Basically I am trained >>> to>>> run computer>>> models of the atmosphere and to enhance the models so they correlate >>> more>>> closely to>>> reality. Reality, aka Nature, is the gold standard.>>> Bob is wound a bit tight but that might come from trying to pour>>> knowledge>>> into hung-over>>> college students. His love of data, results from scientific studies, is>>> awe>>> inspiring at times.>>> Peace, D. Mindock>>>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Joe Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:34 AM>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia Was>>> Testimonials as Evidence)>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kurt;>>>>>>>> Pardon my snipping style but.>>>>>>>> Kurt Nolte wrote:>>>> snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On the other side we have his opponents, among them Joe Street, Terry>>>>>Dyck, Mike Dupree and D. Mindock, to name a few off the top of my head.>>>>>These people seem to be, to the best of my knowledge, claiming that>>>>>herbs (The topic at hand) are the /only/ things that are truly>>>>>efficacious as medicinal compounds, and that pharmaceuticals produced >>>>>by>>>>>synthetic processes just don't hack it.>>>>>>>&g
