Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Joe Street]

Well I'm using Mozzilla not outlook and there are settings for those
parameters as well as html etc.  Too bad you can't configure it to be
sensitive to the mail folder otherwise your only option is to keep
changing preferences all the time. 

Anyways I hope the 'other superpower" will eventually result in some
real action being taken on the bullies and warlords one day soon.  Then
the next challenge will be to stop the next in line from taking the
reins and doing it all again.



Joe
trying to smile and not to die.





Keith Addison wrote:

  'Lo Marilyn, Joe

  
  
Thanks for the correction, Joe. I will be more careful from now on to be sure
who I am quoting.

  
  
I think it's mostly Outhouse Express that does it, it defaults to 
saying that the person whose message you're replying to wrote it, 
even if it's a url and a news article someone else wrote. How to make 
a journalist cross. Not just on my account though, it's happened to a 
lot of people and when I've attacked it it's been as a general rule.

  
  
Is it OK to just say "Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:" and
not mention a name when including a response?

  
  
Why not just say Hi Whoever? If it's not signed there's a name or 
email address on the original.

  
  
I'm glad you liked the post
otherwise.

  
  
So did I.

  
  
I don't blame Keith for being a little testy.

  
  
Nah, I'm not being testy. Let's see, I sent three posts, two smilers 
and a grr. But I definitely meant the grr. About time too.

  
  
We all are these days with
what is going on in the world.

  
  
It's not that Marilyn. There was a time when I got overwhelmed by all 
the stuff I was staring in the face. It made me angry, I was angry 
for a few years before I learnt how to smile again. While still 
looking the same grim stuff in the face. But that was a long time ago.

Once in Hong Kong I took a ride in a Kowloon taxi with a driver whose 
English was a bit like my Cantonese (terrible!), so we got on like a 
house on fire. He had a good wife and two great children he said, but 
no money: "Drive taxi no money."

"No money no life," I said (very common Hong Kong saying).

"No money to die!" he said laughing. "No face!. Every day I pay $20 
for lunch, good food, but no face. But I don't mind! Rich men pay 
$1000 for lunch, good face. But they forget to smile!

"So - don't die! And don't forget to smile!"

I thought that was great - the guy knew everything about life! We 
smiled the rest of the way. When I got out he said: "Don't forget - 
don't die!"

"I'll try," I said. "Don't forget to smile!"

We went our different ways, both laughing like hell.

Regards

Keith


  
  
Marilyn


Note: Forwarded Email Message Below:

Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn.  I did respond to that post though.
You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I
have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me.  Keith
hates it when people do that.  I've done it too by accident. Be careful
Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives
BTW great post otherwise :-)



  I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure,
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.

  

Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General
Hospital?  That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention.
The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes.  I
don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything
about this.  There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone
getting thier lips dirty!

Joe

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Joe Street wrote:


  
  
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure,
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.



  
  
Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage
preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in
government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article 
  

below by an


  American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements  and
international law being ignored:

Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create
Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses

JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of
  

Law


  says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties
  

and


  standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the
Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners.

Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

'Lo Marilyn, Joe

>Thanks for the correction, Joe. I will be more careful from now on to be sure
>who I am quoting.

I think it's mostly Outhouse Express that does it, it defaults to 
saying that the person whose message you're replying to wrote it, 
even if it's a url and a news article someone else wrote. How to make 
a journalist cross. Not just on my account though, it's happened to a 
lot of people and when I've attacked it it's been as a general rule.

>Is it OK to just say "Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:" and
>not mention a name when including a response?

Why not just say Hi Whoever? If it's not signed there's a name or 
email address on the original.

>I'm glad you liked the post
>otherwise.

So did I.

>I don't blame Keith for being a little testy.

Nah, I'm not being testy. Let's see, I sent three posts, two smilers 
and a grr. But I definitely meant the grr. About time too.

>We all are these days with
>what is going on in the world.

It's not that Marilyn. There was a time when I got overwhelmed by all 
the stuff I was staring in the face. It made me angry, I was angry 
for a few years before I learnt how to smile again. While still 
looking the same grim stuff in the face. But that was a long time ago.

Once in Hong Kong I took a ride in a Kowloon taxi with a driver whose 
English was a bit like my Cantonese (terrible!), so we got on like a 
house on fire. He had a good wife and two great children he said, but 
no money: "Drive taxi no money."

"No money no life," I said (very common Hong Kong saying).

"No money to die!" he said laughing. "No face!. Every day I pay $20 
for lunch, good food, but no face. But I don't mind! Rich men pay 
$1000 for lunch, good face. But they forget to smile!

"So - don't die! And don't forget to smile!"

I thought that was great - the guy knew everything about life! We 
smiled the rest of the way. When I got out he said: "Don't forget - 
don't die!"

"I'll try," I said. "Don't forget to smile!"

We went our different ways, both laughing like hell.

Regards

Keith


>Marilyn
>
>
>Note: Forwarded Email Message Below:
>
>Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn.  I did respond to that post though.
>You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I
>have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me.  Keith
>hates it when people do that.  I've done it too by accident. Be careful
>Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives
>BTW great post otherwise :-)
>
> >I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with
> >countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows
> >what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure,
> >utilities..
> >
> >I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
> >
>
>Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General
>Hospital?  That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention.
>The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes.  I
>don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything
>about this.  There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone
>getting thier lips dirty!
>
>Joe
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Joe Street wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with
> >>countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows
> >>what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure,
> >>utilities..
> >>
> >>I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage
> >preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in
> >government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article 
>below by an
> >American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements  and
> >international law being ignored:
> >
> >Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create
> >Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses
> >
> >JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of
>Law
> >says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties
>and
> >standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the
> >Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners...
> >



 


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[marilyn]

This news item was also shown on the BBC news last night (Tues 11/29), 
including a  shot of David Keogh being arrested for leaking the information. 
This may help those who think the story is phony to rethink their opinion.

Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm

Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

Madness of war memo

By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines

11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV 
station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo 
reveals.

But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, 
who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.

A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair 
didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of 
fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.

The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory 
of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have 
sparked bloody retaliation.

A source said last night: "The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to 
Bush.

"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. 
Blair replied that would cause a big problem.

"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't 
want him to do it."

A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been 
"humorous, not serious".

But another source declared: "Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. 
That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men."

Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged 
Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two 
leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening to think that such 
a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions.

"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives 
an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war."

Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with 
a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr 
Blair on April 16 last year.

At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in 
the Iraqi town of Fallujah.

Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind 
rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private 
contractors and Iraqi victims.

The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and 
al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West.

Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha.

Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for 
bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 
miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no 
danger of "collateral damage".

Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, 
Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained 
technicians and journalists.

To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC 
in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the 
Iraq War itself.

The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous 
attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors.

In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two "smart" 
bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US 
missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.

The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up 
in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then 
Labour MP Tony Clarke.

Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the 
Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to 
work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court 
next week.

Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10.

He said Mr O'Connor had behaved "perfectly correctly".

Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment.

Copyright - The Mirror
 

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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Michael Redler]

...and it wasn't just the hospital!   Mike  THE RESULTS OF US DEMOCRACY IN FALLUJAH!>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], >[EMAIL PROTECTED],    >[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [CampusAntiwarNetwork] Fallujah: A >Horrific Case of a Crime Against HumanityDate: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:05:54 -0500Fallujah: A Horrifc Case of a Crime Against Humanity March 21, 2005Dr. Hafidh al-Dulaimi, the head
 of the Commission for the Compensation of Fallujah citizens have reported the following destruction that has been inflicted on Fallujah as a result of the American attack on it:  7000 totally destroyed, or nearly totally destroyed, homes in all districts of Fallujah.     8400 stores, workshops, clinics, warehouses, etc.. destroyed.     65 mosques and religious sanctuaries have been either totally demolished and leveled with the ground or whose minarets and inner halls have been demolished.  59 kindergartens, primary schools, secondary schools and technical colleges have been destroyed.  13 government buildings have been leveled.     Destruction of the two electricity substations, the three water purification plants, the two railroad stations and heavy damages to the sewage and rain drainage subsystems throughout the city.     The total destruction of a bridge to the West of the city.  The death of 100,000 domestic and wild animals due to chemical and/or gaseous munitions.  The burning and destruction of four libraries that housed hundreds perhaps thousands of ancient Islamic manuscripts and books.  The targeted destruction (which appears to be intentional) of the historical nearby site at Saqlawia and the castle of Abu al-Abbas
 al-Safah.  Dr. al-Dulaimi has asked all relevant international organization tovisit and document the destruction to Fallujah.  The Head of the Compensation Committee reveals in numbers the FallujahTragedy March 21, 2005 (Islam Memo news item in Arabic - my translation)UN: Fallujah cost nears $500 million March 14, 2005  __  Search engine results on this report: http://tinyurl.com/88qud  Search Yahoo! "Dr. Hafidh al-Dulaimi" Fallujah March 21, 2005     Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn.  I did respond to that post though.  You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me.  Keith hates it when people do that.  I've done it too by accident. Be careful Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives BTW great post otherwise :-)  
 I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with   countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows   what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure,   utilities..I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General Hospital?  That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention.  The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes.  I don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything about this.  There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone getting thier lips dirty!Joe___
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[marilyn]

Thanks for the correction, Joe. I will be more careful from now on to be sure 
who I am quoting. Is it OK to just say "Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:" 
and 
not mention a name when including a response? I'm glad you liked the post 
otherwise. I don't blame Keith for being a little testy. We all are these days 
with 
what is going on in the world.
Marilyn


Note: Forwarded Email Message Below:

Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn.  I did respond to that post though.  
You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I 
have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me.  Keith 
hates it when people do that.  I've done it too by accident. Be careful 
Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives 
BTW great post otherwise :-)

>I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
>countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
>what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
>utilities..
>
>I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
>

Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General 
Hospital?  That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention.  
The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes.  I 
don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything 
about this.  There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone 
getting thier lips dirty!

Joe

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Joe Street wrote:
>  
>
>>I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
>>countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
>>what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
>>utilities..
>>
>>I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
>>
>>
>
>
>Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage 
>preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in 
>government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article below by an 
>American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements  and 
>international law being ignored:
>
>Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create 
>Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses
>
>JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of 
Law 
>says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties 
and 
>standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the 
>Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners...
>
>"The Bush Administration has consistently signaled for three and a half 
years 
>that international law does not matter. The American military and civilian 
>personnel at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad apparently received that signal 
>loud and clear. Not only did they fail to follow the requirements of the 
Geneva 
>Convention on Treatment of POW's, according to the Red Cross, no copies 
of 
>the treaty were to be found on-site.
>
>The list of high-profile treaties broken or withdrawn by this government is a 
>long one that includes denunciation of the Rome Statute creating the 
>International Criminal Court, pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to diminish 
>ozone-depleting gases, and unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic 
>Missile Treaty over initial Russian objections. An overwhelming majority of 
>nations condemned each of these moves as irresponsible and self-serving, 
>but Washington paid little heed - steadfastly pursuing short-term political 
>gains instead of America's long-term global interests. International law was 
>undermined and flouted. 
>
>When the invasion of Iraq became a front-burner issue, the world implored 
the 
>Bush Administration not to do it, threatening everything from vetoes in the 
UN 
>to political recrimination. America again disregarded the objections and 
went 
>forward. The Security Council was subverted in the process and a creaky 
pre-
>World War II theory of justified pre-emptive strikes was resurrected. Again 
>international law was cast aside.
> 
>When questions arose as to whether Geneva Convention protections would 
>be extended to those captured in Afghanistan, President Bush dismissed the 
>landmark 55-year-old treaty regime as a series of "legalisms" he would 
>consider in making his decision. 
>
>This unapologetic pattern of discounting the importance of international law 
>helped create an environment where it could easily by disregarded by those 
>who were supposed to follow it. That subtle message was especially potent 
>when coupled with the specific message to extract all information possible 
out 
>of detainees to help further the war on terrorism. 
>
>How can the privates and sergeants on the ground at Abu Ghraib be faulted 
>for following the lead of their commander-in-chief? They can be faulted 
>because they should be regarded as rational, thinking human beings - the 
>same as those th

Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Joe Street]

Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn.  I did respond to that post though. 
You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I
have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me. 
Keith hates it when people do that.  I've done it too by accident. Be
careful Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the
archives BTW great post otherwise
:-) 

  I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.


Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General
Hospital?  That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva
convention.  The US government is clearly guilty of international war
crimes.  I don't understand why the people of that country are not
doing anything about this.  There are plenty of grounds for impeachment
without anyone getting thier lips dirty!

Joe

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Joe Street wrote:
  
  
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.

  
  

Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage 
preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in 
government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article below by an 
American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements  and 
international law being ignored:

Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create 
Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses

JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of Law 
says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties and 
standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the 
Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners...

"The Bush Administration has consistently signaled for three and a half years 
that international law does not matter. The American military and civilian 
personnel at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad apparently received that signal 
loud and clear. Not only did they fail to follow the requirements of the Geneva 
Convention on Treatment of POW's, according to the Red Cross, no copies of 
the treaty were to be found on-site.

The list of high-profile treaties broken or withdrawn by this government is a 
long one that includes denunciation of the Rome Statute creating the 
International Criminal Court, pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to diminish 
ozone-depleting gases, and unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic 
Missile Treaty over initial Russian objections. An overwhelming majority of 
nations condemned each of these moves as irresponsible and self-serving, 
but Washington paid little heed - steadfastly pursuing short-term political 
gains instead of America's long-term global interests. International law was 
undermined and flouted. 

When the invasion of Iraq became a front-burner issue, the world implored the 
Bush Administration not to do it, threatening everything from vetoes in the UN 
to political recrimination. America again disregarded the objections and went 
forward. The Security Council was subverted in the process and a creaky pre-
World War II theory of justified pre-emptive strikes was resurrected. Again 
international law was cast aside.
 
When questions arose as to whether Geneva Convention protections would 
be extended to those captured in Afghanistan, President Bush dismissed the 
landmark 55-year-old treaty regime as a series of “legalisms” he would 
consider in making his decision. 

This unapologetic pattern of discounting the importance of international law 
helped create an environment where it could easily by disregarded by those 
who were supposed to follow it. That subtle message was especially potent 
when coupled with the specific message to extract all information possible out 
of detainees to help further the war on terrorism. 

How can the privates and sergeants on the ground at Abu Ghraib be faulted 
for following the lead of their commander-in-chief? They can be faulted 
because they should be regarded as rational, thinking human beings - the 
same as those they tortured. The fact that international law was simply 
disregarded made the process easier, but no more excusable. 

America has begun to reap the whirlwind of its policy-line ignoring 
international law. It is held in the lowest regard foreign nations have had for it 
in decades, and it suffers from diminished standing worldwide. The abuses at 
Abu Ghraib are a particularly ugly gust of that whirlwind that has blown back 
in Washington's face. Re-embracing international law an

Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[marilyn]

Joe Street wrote:
>
>I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
>countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
>what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
>utilities..
>
>I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.


Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage 
preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in 
government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article below by an 
American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements  and 
international law being ignored:

Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create 
Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses

JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of Law 
says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties and 
standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the 
Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners...

"The Bush Administration has consistently signaled for three and a half years 
that international law does not matter. The American military and civilian 
personnel at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad apparently received that signal 
loud and clear. Not only did they fail to follow the requirements of the Geneva 
Convention on Treatment of POW's, according to the Red Cross, no copies of 
the treaty were to be found on-site.

The list of high-profile treaties broken or withdrawn by this government is a 
long one that includes denunciation of the Rome Statute creating the 
International Criminal Court, pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to diminish 
ozone-depleting gases, and unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic 
Missile Treaty over initial Russian objections. An overwhelming majority of 
nations condemned each of these moves as irresponsible and self-serving, 
but Washington paid little heed - steadfastly pursuing short-term political 
gains instead of America's long-term global interests. International law was 
undermined and flouted. 

When the invasion of Iraq became a front-burner issue, the world implored the 
Bush Administration not to do it, threatening everything from vetoes in the UN 
to political recrimination. America again disregarded the objections and went 
forward. The Security Council was subverted in the process and a creaky pre-
World War II theory of justified pre-emptive strikes was resurrected. Again 
international law was cast aside.
 
When questions arose as to whether Geneva Convention protections would 
be extended to those captured in Afghanistan, President Bush dismissed the 
landmark 55-year-old treaty regime as a series of “legalisms” he would 
consider in making his decision. 

This unapologetic pattern of discounting the importance of international law 
helped create an environment where it could easily by disregarded by those 
who were supposed to follow it. That subtle message was especially potent 
when coupled with the specific message to extract all information possible out 
of detainees to help further the war on terrorism. 

How can the privates and sergeants on the ground at Abu Ghraib be faulted 
for following the lead of their commander-in-chief? They can be faulted 
because they should be regarded as rational, thinking human beings - the 
same as those they tortured. The fact that international law was simply 
disregarded made the process easier, but no more excusable. 

America has begun to reap the whirlwind of its policy-line ignoring 
international law. It is held in the lowest regard foreign nations have had for 
it 
in decades, and it suffers from diminished standing worldwide. The abuses at 
Abu Ghraib are a particularly ugly gust of that whirlwind that has blown back 
in Washington's face. Re-embracing international law and the United Nations 
(and the unique legitimacy each can bestow) could help us weather and 
avoid the fury of such storms."

Michael Kelly is Associate Professor of Law of International Law at Creighton 
University School of Law in Omaha, Nebraska, and the co-author of Equal 
Justice in the Balance, Assessing America's Legal Responses to the 
Emerging Terrorist Threat (University of Michigan Press 2004). 

May 19, 2004

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2004/05/reaping-whirlwind-departures-
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

Hello Tom

>So what am I missing?

Maybe that you think it's a war, but the rest of the world sees it as 
an illegal invasion and criminal occupation.

How could destroying an independent news agency in a friendly country 
and killing its journalists and staff possibly be "considered an 
option"???

Millions and millions of people worldwide have and are protesting 
very loudly against your "war", they're giving you an even worse 
press than Al Jazeera, should bombing them too also be considered an 
option? Or should it avoided on the grounds that it would be a "very 
bad decision"?

There's a lot of material in the Biofuel list archives, from very 
early on, that Americans who think it's a war object to probably just 
as much as they object to Al Jazeera (their objections are also in 
the archives) (and so is Al Jazeera), and it hasn't stopped yet. I 
hope you'll see the option of bombing us as a very bad decision too.

How about this:

"The war dead".

Who did you think of - 2,000 of "our boys"? Most other people think 
that means the 100,000-odd Iraqis killed, and your boys are the 
killers. There might be some sympathy for them, everyone knows 
they're just dupes, cheap cannon fodder, discard-after-use, but more 
likely it would be "We told you so, you didn't want to listen."

And meanwhile everybody forgets about Afghanistan. (Your government 
even forgot to include it in the budget after promising not to just 
walk away this time like they did last time.)

It's not that it's exactly anything new, any of this, it's been going 
on for 60 years now and more, while Americans turned a blind eye to 
what Washington did abroad with their tax money.

>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg45962.html
>Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
>
>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/41438/
>An Interview with William Blum
>
>http://members.aol.com/superogue/homepage.htm
>Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower, by William Blum
>
>http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm
>Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II,
>by William Blum
>
>http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm
>The American Holocaust

Time to stop.

Best wishes

Keith
 

>[Massive Snip]
> >>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
> >>
> >>Madness of war memo
> >>
> >>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
> >>
> >>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush
>planned to bomb Arab TV
> >>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top
>Secret" No 10 memo
> >>reveals
>
>I'm angry that Bush is rolling back environmental
>policy in favor of an extract and consume policy. I'm
>angry that we have made a hash of the war in Iraq and
>alieniated the US from the world community in the
>process. I'm livid about our energy "policy".
>
>But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
>all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
>Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
>president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had he
>gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. But
>in the context of how can we win/be successful with
>Bush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative and
>comprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminating
>bone headed ideas from that list. To a casual
>observer, it looks like that is exactly what happened.
>
>So what am I missing?
>
>thanks
>Tom
>
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>Tom Scheel
>928-380-6294


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

>Don't forget Bechtel

Nor Halliburton, Kellogg, Brown and Root, Vinnell, all the other 
usual suspects, and the entire hall of corporateer infamy right 
behind them.

>radema wrote:
>
> >
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: "bmolloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >Date:  Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:59:23 +1300
> >>
> >Bush's father is a member of Carlisle, as was O'Bin Laden's dad. 
>Elder Bin Laden isn't anymore.
>>
>>I think we've gone a bit off course here. As Pitt-Rivers said in 
>>his speech to the American Veterans for Peace conference back in 
>>'02, seeing Bush as the author of our foreign policy is the 
>>equivalent of blaming Mickey Mouse when Disney screws up.

In full:

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg27072.html
[biofuel] They don't know...

>>In other words, the real movers and shakers are the good ole 
>>boys who form the Carlisle group, one of the offshoots of the 
>>military-industrial complex which really runs America.  Bush is 
>>simply the patsy in front of house.
>>Regards,
>>Bob.

You're completely right. They'd've done a lot better with Max 
Headroom though, IMHO.

But it doesn't let young master Bush off any hooks.

Re Carlyle:

http://snipurl.com/kagb
[Biofuel] Search results for 'Carlyle' (25 matches)

http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html
Meet The Carlyle Group - Former World Leaders and Washington Insiders 
Make Billions from the War on Terrorism

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3995.htm
Exposed: The Carlyle Group: Shocking documentary uncovers the 
subversion of Americas democracy.
>Shocking documentary uncovers the subversion of Americas democracy.
>
>I defy you to watch this 48 minute documentary and not be outraged 
>about the depth of corruption and deceit within the highest ranks of 
>our government.
>
>Note: The first one minute forty seven seconds of this program is in 
>broadcast in Dutch, The remainder is in English.

Best

Keith




>>----- Original Message -
>>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Dietmar
>>To: <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 9:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>>
>>I was always wandering how Bush could be elected in the first 
>>place. He seems to be even worse than his father was.
>>
>>Dietmar


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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Appal Energy]

Tom,

 > So what am I missing?

Could it be the fact that the "commander in chief" was so serious about 
it and he had to be talked out of it by the leader of another nation?

That it was but a handful of syllables from becoming a reality?

That this is the type of mind in control of an arsenal of nuclear weapons?

That it's the same mindset that kept planned for war in advance of and 
in lieu of accurate intelligence, even to the point of courting the UN 
while  having already calculated a departure date?

U, maybe you would care to rephrase that question?

Todd Swearingen

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>[Massive Snip]
>  
>
>>>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>>>
>>>Madness of war memo
>>>
>>>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>>>
>>>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush
>>>  
>>>
>planned to bomb Arab TV
>  
>
>>>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top
>>>  
>>>
>Secret" No 10 memo
>  
>
>>>reveals
>>>  
>>>
>
>I'm angry that Bush is rolling back environmental
>policy in favor of an extract and consume policy. I'm
>angry that we have made a hash of the war in Iraq and
>alieniated the US from the world community in the
>process. I'm livid about our energy "policy".
>
>But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
>all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
>Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
>president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had he
>gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. But
>in the context of how can we win/be successful with
>Bush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative and
>comprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminating
>bone headed ideas from that list. To a casual
>observer, it looks like that is exactly what happened.
>
>So what am I missing?
>
>thanks
>Tom
>
>Radiance Heating and Plumbing, Inc. (ROC 204149,204150)
>Tom Scheel
>928-380-6294
>
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Joe Street]

  I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.


Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General
Hospital?  That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva
convention.  The US government is clearly guilty of international war
crimes.  I don't understand why the people of that country are not
doing anything about this.  There are plenty of grounds for impeachment
without anyone getting thier lips dirty!

Joe


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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

hostile great power (the USSR)
Kind of like Al Qaeda?



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The Marshall Plan was developed well after World War II was over,
>in the absence of any other sensible plan for dealing with the situation
>in Germany and Europe. One major reason for its development and ready
>acceptance was that there was then a hostile great power (the USSR)
>which was benefiting from the chaos and despair in Europe. That said, the
>U.S. was a different country then.
>
>Doug Woodard
>St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>
>
>On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Mike Weaver wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Germany and Japan were occupied with a long-range plan - The Marshall
>>Plan.  Arguably it worked.
>>
>>Afganistan and Iraq were flattened and then...
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

>JTF was 4th on the list after The Times and The Post.

Fourth?? AFTER The Times and The Post??? Oh, the shame, the shame!

>Keep your head down.

Yes, and the powder dry. You know, the smelling-salts powder.

Keith


>Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >Hello Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >>So what am I missing?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Maybe that you think it's a war, but the rest of the world sees it as
> >an illegal invasion and criminal occupation.
> >
> >How could destroying an independent news agency in a friendly country
> >and killing its journalists and staff possibly be "considered an
> >option"???
> >
> >Millions and millions of people worldwide have and are protesting
> >very loudly against your "war", they're giving you an even worse
> >press than Al Jazeera, should bombing them too also be considered an
> >option? Or should it avoided on the grounds that it would be a "very
> >bad decision"?
> >
> >There's a lot of material in the Biofuel list archives, from very
> >early on, that Americans who think it's a war object to probably just
> >as much as they object to Al Jazeera (their objections are also in
> >the archives) (and so is Al Jazeera), and it hasn't stopped yet. I
> >hope you'll see the option of bombing us as a very bad decision too.



 


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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[dwoodard]

The Marshall Plan was developed well after World War II was over,
in the absence of any other sensible plan for dealing with the situation
in Germany and Europe. One major reason for its development and ready
acceptance was that there was then a hostile great power (the USSR)
which was benefiting from the chaos and despair in Europe. That said, the
U.S. was a different country then.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Mike Weaver wrote:

> Germany and Japan were occupied with a long-range plan - The Marshall
> Plan.  Arguably it worked.
>
> Afganistan and Iraq were flattened and then...

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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

It's that other Mike.  Redler!

I already live in suburban purgatory!

Keith Addison wrote:

>I thought you Mikes were my friends. You'd truly doom me to such a fate?
>
>:-(
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Yea! I'd like to see that. Throw Keith in the 'burbs and see what 
>>happens. I can see it now - the return of block parties, a spike in 
>>voter turn-out, the mysterious disappearance of SUV's and communal 
>>stills to fuel hybrids (and block parties).
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

I thought you Mikes were my friends. You'd truly doom me to such a fate?

:-(

Keith




>Yea! I'd like to see that. Throw Keith in the 'burbs and see what 
>happens. I can see it now - the return of block parties, a spike in 
>voter turn-out, the mysterious disappearance of SUV's and communal 
>stills to fuel hybrids (and block parties).
>
>Mike


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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

Germany and Japan were occupied with a long-range plan - The Marshall 
Plan.  Arguably it worked.

Afganistan and Iraq were flattened and then...

Michael Redler wrote:

> /"But I don't understand what is wrong with considering all options in 
> war."/
>  
> I'm not surprised that anyone on this list would suggest having an 
> open mind on anything. After all, it is the single biggest strength of 
> the biofuel's collective mind (so to speak).
>  
> However, the only option in war (IMO) is to put down the 
> antagonists. Nearly every war the US has fought, has been as an 
> extension of its foreign policy and politics - making it one of the 
> worlds biggest antagonists.
>  
> To a pacifist, the reasons for stopping war are obvious. on a 
> practical level, war has not been a successful way of extending any 
> political policy.
>  
> [Biofuel] Keegan vs. von Clausewitz: war is not a worthwhile 
> instrument of national policy
> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg52828.html
>  
> (IMO) the decision boils down to weighing the benefits of either ten 
> years of occupation or ten years of civil war. In the context of self 
> determination and the history of most democracies which have emerged 
> over the past hundred years, the decision seems pretty unambiguous.
>  
> Mike  
>
> */Tom Scheel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> I'm angry that Bush is rolling back environmental
> policy in favor of an extract and consume policy. I'm
> angry that we have made a hash of the war in Iraq and
> alieniated the US from the world community in the
> process. I'm livid about our energy "policy".
>
> But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
> all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
> Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
> president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had he
> gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. But
> in the context of how can we win/be successful with
> Bush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative and
> comprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminating
> bone headed ideas from that list. To a casual
> observer, it looks like that is exactly what happened.
>
> So what am I missing?
>
> thanks
> Tom
>
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> 928-380-6294
>
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[Michael Redler]

  "But I don't understand what is wrong with considering all options in war."     I'm not surprised that anyone on this list would suggest having an open mind on anything. After all, it is the single biggest strength of the biofuel's collective mind (so to speak).     However, the only option in war (IMO) is to put down the antagonists. Nearly every war the US has fought, has been as an extension of its foreign policy and politics - making it one of the worlds biggest antagonists.     To a pacifist, the reasons for stopping war are obvious. on a practical level, war has not been a successful way of extending any political policy.     [Biofuel] Keegan vs. von Clausewitz: war is not a worthwhile instrument of national policy  http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg52828.html     (IMO) the decision boils down to weighing the benefits of either ten years of occupation or ten years of civil war. In the context of self determination and the history of most democracies which have emerged over the past hundred years, the decision seems pretty unambiguous.     Mike    Tom Scheel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I'm angry that Bush is rolling back environmentalpolicy in favor of an extract and consume policy. I'mangry that we have made a hash of the war in Iraq andalieniated the US
 from the world community in theprocess. I'm livid about our energy "policy".But I don't understand what is wrong with consideringall options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.Maybe it should not have made it up the to thepresident (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had hegone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. Butin the context of how can we win/be successful withBush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative andcomprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminatingbone headed ideas from that list. To a casualobserver, it looks like that is exactly what happened.So what am I missing?thanksTomRadiance Heating and Plumbing, Inc. (ROC 204149,204150)Tom Scheel928-380-6294___
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[E. C.]

Tom

what you're missing is the far-wider implications of
this disgrace:  that this bumbling neo-con
figurehead/posterboy illegally residing in (and
fronting for) the corporatocracy that IS the White
House (AND Congress, and soon the entire judiciary as
well) can, & does, entertain & feel enuf immunity to
bring up such insane notions for "how to deal w/anyone
who embarrasses him/them".  Makes the Valerie Plame
fiasco look like kids playing in a sandbox!  And, of
course, surely you've noticed that this latest bumble
has abruptly disappeared from MM (mainstream media).
E. Allen 

--- Tom Scheel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [Massive Snip]
> >>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
> >>
> >>Madness of war memo
> >>
> >>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
> >>
> >>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush
> planned to bomb Arab TV
> >>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a
> "Top
> Secret" No 10 memo
> >>reveals
> 
> I'm angry that Bush is rolling back environmental
> policy in favor of an extract and consume policy.
> I'm
> angry that we have made a hash of the war in Iraq
> and
> alieniated the US from the world community in the
> process. I'm livid about our energy "policy".
> 
> But I don't understand what is wrong with
> considering
> all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
> Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
> president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had
> he
> gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision.
> But
> in the context of how can we win/be successful with
> Bush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative and
> comprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminating
> bone headed ideas from that list. To a casual
> observer, it looks like that is exactly what
> happened.
> 
> So what am I missing?
> 
> thanks
> Tom
> 
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> 204149,204150)
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

JTF was 4th on the list after The Times and The Post.

Keep your head down.

Keith Addison wrote:

>Hello Tom
>
>  
>
>>So what am I missing?
>>
>>
>
>Maybe that you think it's a war, but the rest of the world sees it as 
>an illegal invasion and criminal occupation.
>
>How could destroying an independent news agency in a friendly country 
>and killing its journalists and staff possibly be "considered an 
>option"???
>
>Millions and millions of people worldwide have and are protesting 
>very loudly against your "war", they're giving you an even worse 
>press than Al Jazeera, should bombing them too also be considered an 
>option? Or should it avoided on the grounds that it would be a "very 
>bad decision"?
>
>There's a lot of material in the Biofuel list archives, from very 
>early on, that Americans who think it's a war object to probably just 
>as much as they object to Al Jazeera (their objections are also in 
>the archives) (and so is Al Jazeera), and it hasn't stopped yet. I 
>hope you'll see the option of bombing us as a very bad decision too.
>
>How about this:
>
>"The war dead".
>
>Who did you think of - 2,000 of "our boys"? Most other people think 
>that means the 100,000-odd Iraqis killed, and your boys are the 
>killers. There might be some sympathy for them, everyone knows 
>they're just dupes, cheap cannon fodder, discard-after-use, but more 
>likely it would be "We told you so, you didn't want to listen."
>
>And meanwhile everybody forgets about Afghanistan. (Your government 
>even forgot to include it in the budget after promising not to just 
>walk away this time like they did last time.)
>
>It's not that it's exactly anything new, any of this, it's been going 
>on for 60 years now and more, while Americans turned a blind eye to 
>what Washington did abroad with their tax money.
>
>  
>
>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg45962.html
>>Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
>>
>>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/41438/
>>An Interview with William Blum
>>
>>http://members.aol.com/superogue/homepage.htm
>>Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower, by William Blum
>>
>>http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm
>>Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II,
>>by William Blum
>>
>>http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm
>>The American Holocaust
>>
>>
>
>Time to stop.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Keith
> 
>
>  
>
>>[Massive Snip]
>>
>>
Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

Madness of war memo

By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines

11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush


>>planned to bomb Arab TV
>>
>>
station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top


>>Secret" No 10 memo
>>
>>
reveals


>>I'm angry that Bush is rolling back environmental
>>policy in favor of an extract and consume policy. I'm
>>angry that we have made a hash of the war in Iraq and
>>alieniated the US from the world community in the
>>process. I'm livid about our energy "policy".
>>
>>But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
>>all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
>>Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
>>president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had he
>>gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. But
>>in the context of how can we win/be successful with
>>Bush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative and
>>comprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminating
>>bone headed ideas from that list. To a casual
>>observer, it looks like that is exactly what happened.
>>
>>So what am I missing?
>>
>>thanks
>>Tom
>>
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>>Tom Scheel
>>928-380-6294
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

What a quaint notion.

"Geneva convention, and who knowswhat else, that prohibit attacking 
citizens, public infrastructure, utilities.."



G wrote:

>>But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
>>all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
>>Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
>>president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had he
>>gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. But
>>in the context of how can we win/be successful with
>>Bush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative and
>>comprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminating
>>bone headed ideas from that list. To a casual
>>observer, it looks like that is exactly what happened.
>>
>>So what am I missing?
>>
>>thanks
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>
>I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
>countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
>what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
>utilities..
>
>I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
>
>  
>



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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

My suburban neighbors hate me.  They hate:
1.  The wood stove. (But SUV's are ok) - "I don't like the smell."
2.  The sound of me splitting wood.  ("Could you please do that another 
time?  I can't hear my program" - true story)
3.  Building a shed.  (Called the county on me dozens of times, but 
heck, I can read.  It's legal.)
4.  Woodpile - neatly stacked, with a cover.  ("That thing is so ugly - 
you're going to burn it all this year, I hope.")
5.  My now late and lamented 1988 Isuzu Trooper.  ("Are you going to 
KEEP that thing?")
6.  My lawn.  I hate grass.  I won't put weed killer on it.  I just have 
to figure out a non-grass front yard.
7.  Cedar shake on my house.  ("You're not going to leave that wood on 
there, are you?  It's so ugly.  Vinyl looks neater")
8.  My garden.  ("Those plants look so shaggy - can't you trim them?)  
No, they're tomato plants.  Tomato plants alwasy look shaggy.

I could go on...

Michael Redler wrote:

> */"Nah, what we need is fewer Mikes."/*
>  
> Hey! Easy now!
>  
> By the way, I happen to like Poppycock.
>  
> Fiddle Faddle and Screaming Yellow Zonkers aren't bad either.
>  
> */"Soon you'll have a big house in the suburbs [Keith]"/*
>  
> I learned from experience that the suburbs is where you go when you 
> don't want to know your neighbors.
>  
> Yea! I'd like to see that. Throw Keith in the 'burbs and see what 
> happens. I can see it now - the return of block parties, a spike in 
> voter turn-out, the mysterious disappearance of SUV's and communal 
> stills to fuel hybrids (and block parties).
>  
> Mike
>
> */Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> >Nah, what we need is fewer Mikes. I can't keep them all straight.
>
> I have the same problem with wire coat hangers.
>
> >Besides, I suspect you stole the election for list owner by
> manipulating
> >the vote and the voters, and now you're dragging us all down in your
> >ill-conceived assualt on 'Merican values. Biofuels. Sustainable
> >farming. Community Develpoment. Poppycock.
>
> I only have three comments. One, it's not ill-conceived. Two,
> poppycock is a really lousy biofuels crop and I have NEVER promoted
> it. Three, what's an election? Is that what all these emails from
> Paris Tyson say will last longer if I watch his video?
>
> >Come over to the dark side, Keith. Be one of us. I'll help you get a
> >consulting job as a shill for "Big Oil." You're a writer, picture the
> >headlines:
> >"Leading Biofuels Advocate Admits Problems with Alternative
> Fuels; Joins
> >Exxon Mobil."
>
> Naah, I just couldn't do it to them, think of all the PR
> professionals who'll be out on the streets when people start saying
> "Who's Exxon Mobil?"
>
> >Soon you'll have a big house in the suburbs, a Suburban and speaking
> >engagements.
> >
> >C'mon..
>
> Do they have good icecream there?
>
> Keith
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[G]

>But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
>all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
>Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
>president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had he
>gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. But
>in the context of how can we win/be successful with
>Bush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative and
>comprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminating
>bone headed ideas from that list. To a casual
>observer, it looks like that is exactly what happened.
>
>So what am I missing?
>
>thanks
>Tom
>
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with 
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows 
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, 
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.

-- 
Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.  
-George Carlin


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Michael Redler]

"Nah, what we need is fewer Mikes."     Hey! Easy now!     By the way, I happen to like Poppycock.     Fiddle Faddle and Screaming Yellow Zonkers aren't bad either.     "Soon you'll have a big house in the suburbs [Keith]"     I learned from experience that the suburbs is where you go when you don't want to know your neighbors.     Yea! I'd like to see that. Throw Keith in the 'burbs and see what happens. I can see it now - the return of block parties, a spike in voter turn-out, the mysterious disappearance of SUV's and communal stills to fuel hybrids (and block parties).     MikeKeith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  >Nah, what we need is fewer Mikes. I can't keep them all straight.I have the same problem with wire coat hangers.>Besides, I suspect you stole the election for list owner by manipulating>the vote and the voters, and now you're dragging us all down in your>ill-conceived assualt on 'Merican values. Biofuels. Sustainable>farming. Community Develpoment. Poppycock.I only have three comments. One, it's not ill-conceived. Two, poppycock is a really lousy biofuels crop and I have NEVER promoted it. Three, what's an election? Is that what all these emails from Paris Tyson say will last longer if I watch his video?>Come over to the dark side, Keith. Be one of us. I'll help you get a>consulting job as a shill for "Big Oil." You're a writer, picture the>headlines:>"Leading Biofuels Advocate Admits Problems with Alternative Fuels;
 Joins>Exxon Mobil."Naah, I just couldn't do it to them, think of all the PR professionals who'll be out on the streets when people start saying "Who's Exxon Mobil?">Soon you'll have a big house in the suburbs, a Suburban and speaking>engagements.>>C'mon..Do they have good icecream there?Keith___
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

That's why people are upset; those in the know are even more upset.

I worked on a "Post Reconstruction Database" that would have served as a 
blueprint for what to do after the war.
The Bush Admin. told us point-blank to stuff it. Did not want to hear 
it, did not want hear about it.

THE CURRENT SITUATION IN IRAQ IS CONSCIOUSLY, WITH DELIBERATE 
FORETHOUGHT, COMPLETELY SELF-INFLICTED.

See: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=scott_feil






August 1, 2002


/ Events Leading to Iraq Invasion

/


A panel of experts on Iraq warns the Senate Foreign Relations Committee 
that administering Iraq after the toppling of Saddam's government will 
be expensive and difficult. The panel says that “there are no obvious 
successors to Saddam Hussein and that the Bush administration should be 
prepared to help install and protect a pro-American government if it 
decides to topple him—a proposition, they added, that would be long and 
expensive,” the New York Times reports. “Nearly all the experts argued 
that setting up a stable, pro-Western government in Baghdad would 
require a huge infusion of aid and a long term commitment of American 
troops to maintain peace.” [New York Times, 8/2/02 
] 
Phebe Marr, a professor from the National Defense University who has 
written prolifically on Iraq, tells the panel, “If the US is going to 
take the responsibility for removing the current leadership, it should 
assume that it cannot get the results it wants on the cheap.” Scott 
Feil, a retired Army colonel who studies postwar reconstruction 
programs, says that 75,000 troops will be needed in Iraq to stabilize 
the country after Saddam is removed from power. He estimates that such a 
deployment will cost in excess of $16 billion per year. After the first 
12 months, the colonel says that the force could be reduced in number, 
possibly to as low as 5,000, though this military presence would have to 
be maintained for at least another five years. In contrast, Caspar W. 
Weinberger, the secretary of defense under President Ronald Reagan 
argues that the United States will not need to undertake a major effort 
in rebuilding Iraq. [New York Times, 8/2/02 
]


>I'm angry that Bush is rolling back environmental
>policy in favor of an extract and consume policy. I'm
>angry that we have made a hash of the war in Iraq and
>alieniated the US from the world community in the
>process. I'm livid about our energy "policy".
>
>But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
>all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
>Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
>president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had he
>gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. But
>in the context of how can we win/be successful with
>Bush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative and
>comprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminating
>bone headed ideas from that list. To a casual
>observer, it looks like that is exactly what happened.
>
>So what am I missing?
>
>thanks
>Tom
>
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>Tom Scheel
>928-380-6294
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Tom Scheel]

[Massive Snip]
>>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>>
>>Madness of war memo
>>
>>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>>
>>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush
planned to bomb Arab TV
>>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top
Secret" No 10 memo
>>reveals

I'm angry that Bush is rolling back environmental
policy in favor of an extract and consume policy. I'm
angry that we have made a hash of the war in Iraq and
alieniated the US from the world community in the
process. I'm livid about our energy "policy".

But I don't understand what is wrong with considering
all options in war. This one was (wisely) discarded.
Maybe it should not have made it up the to the
president (ie been shot down at a lower level). Had he
gone through with it, then yes, very bad decision. But
in the context of how can we win/be successful with
Bush'es Iraq adventure, I am all for creative and
comprehensive thinking. And I am all for eliminating
bone headed ideas from that list. To a casual
observer, it looks like that is exactly what happened.

So what am I missing?

thanks
Tom

Radiance Heating and Plumbing, Inc. (ROC 204149,204150)
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928-380-6294

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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

No more wire hangers ever!
Poppycock is actually second only to Canola as an oil seed crop.  The 
trouble is that it's genetically modified and it's hard to get seeds.
You don't have Election Day in Japan?  It's my girlfriend's favorite 
holiday.  She bounces out of bed and doesn't come home until well after 
dark, exhausted.
No, the ice cream isn't so good but you should see our freezers, they're 
HUGE!



Keith Addison wrote:

>>Nah, what we need is fewer Mikes.  I can't keep them all straight.
>>
>>
>
>I have the same problem with wire coat hangers.
>
>  
>
>>Besides, I suspect you stole the election for list owner by manipulating
>>the vote and the voters, and now you're dragging us all down in your
>>ill-conceived assualt on 'Merican values.  Biofuels.  Sustainable
>>farming.  Community Develpoment.  Poppycock.
>>
>>
>
>I only have three comments. One, it's not ill-conceived. Two, 
>poppycock is a really lousy biofuels crop and I have NEVER promoted 
>it. Three, what's an election? Is that what all these emails from 
>Paris Tyson say will last longer if I watch his video?
>
>  
>
>>Come over to the dark side, Keith.  Be one of us.  I'll help you get a
>>consulting job as a shill for "Big Oil." You're a writer, picture the
>>headlines:
>>"Leading Biofuels Advocate Admits Problems with Alternative Fuels; Joins
>>Exxon Mobil."
>>
>>
>
>Naah, I just couldn't do it to them, think of all the PR 
>professionals who'll be out on the streets when people start saying 
>"Who's Exxon Mobil?"
>
>  
>
>>Soon you'll have a big house in the suburbs, a Suburban and speaking
>>engagements.
>>
>>C'mon..
>>
>>
>
>Do they have good icecream there?
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-America
>>
>>Keith Addison wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hello Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
I did not mean in the realm of discourse on this list; I meant that the
current US administration is dragging the US and a large part of the
world down with it.




>>>I know, sorry, I used it for a different meaning. You reckon the US
>>>needs a new list owner then?
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

>Nah, what we need is fewer Mikes.  I can't keep them all straight.

I have the same problem with wire coat hangers.

>Besides, I suspect you stole the election for list owner by manipulating
>the vote and the voters, and now you're dragging us all down in your
>ill-conceived assualt on 'Merican values.  Biofuels.  Sustainable
>farming.  Community Develpoment.  Poppycock.

I only have three comments. One, it's not ill-conceived. Two, 
poppycock is a really lousy biofuels crop and I have NEVER promoted 
it. Three, what's an election? Is that what all these emails from 
Paris Tyson say will last longer if I watch his video?

>Come over to the dark side, Keith.  Be one of us.  I'll help you get a
>consulting job as a shill for "Big Oil." You're a writer, picture the
>headlines:
>"Leading Biofuels Advocate Admits Problems with Alternative Fuels; Joins
>Exxon Mobil."

Naah, I just couldn't do it to them, think of all the PR 
professionals who'll be out on the streets when people start saying 
"Who's Exxon Mobil?"

>Soon you'll have a big house in the suburbs, a Suburban and speaking
>engagements.
>
>C'mon..

Do they have good icecream there?

Keith



>-America
>
>Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >Hello Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >>I did not mean in the realm of discourse on this list; I meant that the
> >>current US administration is dragging the US and a large part of the
> >>world down with it.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I know, sorry, I used it for a different meaning. You reckon the US
> >needs a new list owner then?
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Keith
> >



 


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

Nah, what we need is fewer Mikes.  I can't keep them all straight.

Besides, I suspect you stole the election for list owner by manipulating 
the vote and the voters, and now you're dragging us all down in your
ill-conceived assualt on 'Merican values.  Biofuels.  Sustainable 
farming.  Community Develpoment.  Poppycock.

Come over to the dark side, Keith.  Be one of us.  I'll help you get a 
consulting job as a shill for "Big Oil." You're a writer, picture the 
headlines:
"Leading Biofuels Advocate Admits Problems with Alternative Fuels; Joins 
Exxon Mobil."

Soon you'll have a big house in the suburbs, a Suburban and speaking 
engagements.

C'mon..

-America

Keith Addison wrote:

>Hello Mike
>
>  
>
>>I did not mean in the realm of discourse on this list; I meant that the
>>current US administration is dragging the US and a large part of the
>>world down with it.
>>
>>
>
>I know, sorry, I used it for a different meaning. You reckon the US 
>needs a new list owner then?
>
>Regards
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Bust does not have a mandate from 48.5% of the populace (or whatever -
>>tho' I think both elections were fishy), and last I checked the "The
>>coalition of the willing" was small and had dwindled to tiny.
>>
>>
>>Keith Addison wrote:
>>
>>
>>
Mike,

Are they really?

Then all the more reason to let them evidence their own stupidity and
ignorance.

There's a biblical verse that I've always been partial to. It's "My
people perish for lack of knowledge." They did then (although it refers
more towards spiritual knowledge) and they still do now.

Let others display how patently little they know and oddly enough
everyone becomes a little bit wiser..




>>>Todd,  if that were true only one time out of ten I'd still be
>>>inclined to say the 10th time makes the other nine times worth it.
>>>But I'd remind you of a couple of things, two list threads in
>>>particular from a bit more than a year ago, I'm sure you'll remember
>>>them: "Oil and Israel", and "Fahrenheit 9/11". Even if you don't
>>>remember them, I sure as hell do. Far from the only examples to be
>>>sure, but stark enough to make the point.
>>>
>>>Real-world communities and virtual ones are not the same, the same
>>>behaviour can have very different results, and the same people can
>>>behave very differently. In a virtual community, what's more likely
>>>is that the Lowest Common Denominator factor will rule if it's
>>>allowed to, and the list community itself becomes a little bit
>>>dumber. Or a lot dumber. We've seen that enough times too. Not here.
>>>It's highly probable that they'd take us with them.
>>>
>>>All best
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Todd Swearingen




>But they are taking us with them.
>
>Appal Energy wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>>Keith,
>>
>>
>>
>>>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
>>>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
>>>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud.
>>Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of
>>their own choosing.
>>
>>Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will.
>>
>>Todd Swearingen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi Todd
>>>
>>>You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what
>>>do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam
>>>Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the
>>>US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago
>>>or was it four?
>>>
>>>But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you
>>>don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not
>>>here anyway.
>>>
>>>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
>>>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
>>>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop
>>>to it at the outset.
>>>
>>>It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a
>>>statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his
>>>statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a
>>>face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual
>>>group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference.
>>>
>>>Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to
>>>give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if
>>>there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time
>>>next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm
>>>sure.
>>>

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

Hello Mike

>I did not mean in the realm of discourse on this list; I meant that the
>current US administration is dragging the US and a large part of the
>world down with it.

I know, sorry, I used it for a different meaning. You reckon the US 
needs a new list owner then?

Regards

Keith


>Bust does not have a mandate from 48.5% of the populace (or whatever -
>tho' I think both elections were fishy), and last I checked the "The
>coalition of the willing" was small and had dwindled to tiny.
>
>
>Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >>Mike,
> >>
> >>Are they really?
> >>
> >>Then all the more reason to let them evidence their own stupidity and
> >>ignorance.
> >>
> >>There's a biblical verse that I've always been partial to. It's "My
> >>people perish for lack of knowledge." They did then (although it refers
> >>more towards spiritual knowledge) and they still do now.
> >>
> >>Let others display how patently little they know and oddly enough
> >>everyone becomes a little bit wiser..
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Todd,  if that were true only one time out of ten I'd still be
> >inclined to say the 10th time makes the other nine times worth it.
> >But I'd remind you of a couple of things, two list threads in
> >particular from a bit more than a year ago, I'm sure you'll remember
> >them: "Oil and Israel", and "Fahrenheit 9/11". Even if you don't
> >remember them, I sure as hell do. Far from the only examples to be
> >sure, but stark enough to make the point.
> >
> >Real-world communities and virtual ones are not the same, the same
> >behaviour can have very different results, and the same people can
> >behave very differently. In a virtual community, what's more likely
> >is that the Lowest Common Denominator factor will rule if it's
> >allowed to, and the list community itself becomes a little bit
> >dumber. Or a lot dumber. We've seen that enough times too. Not here.
> >It's highly probable that they'd take us with them.
> >
> >All best
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >>Todd Swearingen
> >>
> >>
> >>>But they are taking us with them.
> >>>
> >>>Appal Energy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> Keith,
> 
> >We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
> >that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
> >and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants.
> >
> You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud.
> Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of
> their own choosing.
> 
> Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will.
> 
> Todd Swearingen
> 
> 
> >Hi Todd
> >
> >You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what
> >do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam
> >Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the
> >US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago
> >or was it four?
> >
> >But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you
> >don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not
> >here anyway.
> >
> >We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
> >that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
> >and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop
> >to it at the outset.
> >
> >It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a
> >statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his
> >statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a
> >face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual
> >group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference.
> >
> >Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to
> >give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if
> >there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time
> >next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm
> >sure.
> >
> >All best
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >>Hey Keith,
> >>
> >>Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see,
> >>people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their
> >>words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and 
>just let their
> >>words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread 
>amongst the few
> >>gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.
> >>
> >>It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has
> >>been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was
> >>just washed down with stale water.
> >>
> >>In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He
> >>knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's
> >>too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

Don't forget Bechtel

radema wrote:

>
>-- Original Message --
>From: "bmolloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Date:  Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:59:23 +1300
>
>  
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Bush's father is a member of Carlisle, as was O'Bin Laden's dad.  Elder Bin 
>Laden isn't anymore.
>
> 
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[radema]

-- Original Message --
From: "bmolloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Date:  Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:59:23 +1300

>
>
>
>
Bush's father is a member of Carlisle, as was O'Bin Laden's dad.  Elder Bin 
Laden isn't anymore.

 

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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

I did not mean in the realm of discourse on this list; I meant that the 
current US administration is dragging the US and a large part of the 
world down with it.
Bust does not have a mandate from 48.5% of the populace (or whatever - 
tho' I think both elections were fishy), and last I checked the "The 
coalition of the willing" was small and had dwindled to tiny.


Keith Addison wrote:

>>Mike,
>>
>>Are they really?
>>
>>Then all the more reason to let them evidence their own stupidity and
>>ignorance.
>>
>>There's a biblical verse that I've always been partial to. It's "My
>>people perish for lack of knowledge." They did then (although it refers
>>more towards spiritual knowledge) and they still do now.
>>
>>Let others display how patently little they know and oddly enough
>>everyone becomes a little bit wiser..
>>
>>
>
>Todd,  if that were true only one time out of ten I'd still be 
>inclined to say the 10th time makes the other nine times worth it. 
>But I'd remind you of a couple of things, two list threads in 
>particular from a bit more than a year ago, I'm sure you'll remember 
>them: "Oil and Israel", and "Fahrenheit 9/11". Even if you don't 
>remember them, I sure as hell do. Far from the only examples to be 
>sure, but stark enough to make the point.
>
>Real-world communities and virtual ones are not the same, the same 
>behaviour can have very different results, and the same people can 
>behave very differently. In a virtual community, what's more likely 
>is that the Lowest Common Denominator factor will rule if it's 
>allowed to, and the list community itself becomes a little bit 
>dumber. Or a lot dumber. We've seen that enough times too. Not here. 
>It's highly probable that they'd take us with them.
>
>All best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Todd Swearingen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>But they are taking us with them.
>>>
>>>Appal Energy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Keith,





>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants.
>
>
>  
>
You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud.
Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of
their own choosing.

Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will.

Todd Swearingen







>Hi Todd
>
>You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what
>do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam
>Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the
>US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago
>or was it four?
>
>But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you
>don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not
>here anyway.
>
>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop
>to it at the outset.
>
>It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a
>statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his
>statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a
>face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual
>group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference.
>
>Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to
>give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if
>there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time
>next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm
>sure.
>
>All best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Hey Keith,
>>
>>Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see,
>>people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their
>>words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their
>>words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread amongst the few
>>gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.
>>
>>It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has
>>been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was
>>just washed down with stale water.
>>
>>In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He
>>knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's
>>too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to
>>some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that
>>reality will somehow be different.
>>
>>We should a

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

The stakes are pretty high.

Keith Addison wrote:

>Hi Todd
>
>  
>
>>Keith,
>>
>>
>>
>>>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
>>>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
>>>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants.
>>>  
>>>
>>You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud.
>>Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of
>>their own choosing.
>>
>>
>
>:-) I'm not sure I share your gruesome sense of entertainment.
>
>  
>
>>Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will.
>>
>>
>
>Let's see now, how does it go, the old refrain: as list-owner my 
>first obligation is to the list itself and the issues it represents, 
>my second obligation is to the individual members, until they put the 
>first obligation at risk.
>
>As far as I'm concerned, what that means is that they're welcome to 
>hang themselves if they want to but they should do it somewhere else.
>
>Meanwhile no word from Michael Jones. Sigh...
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Todd Swearingen
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi Todd
>>>
>>>You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what
>>>do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam
>>>Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the
>>>US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago
>>>or was it four?
>>>
>>>But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you
>>>don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not
>>>here anyway.
>>>
>>>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
>>>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
>>>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop
>>>to it at the outset.
>>>
>>>It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a
>>>statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his
>>>statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a
>>>face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual
>>>group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference.
>>>
>>>Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to
>>>give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if
>>>there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time
>>>next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm
>>>sure.
>>>
>>>All best
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Hey Keith,

Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see,
people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their
words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their
words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread amongst the few
gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.

It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has
been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was
just washed down with stale water.

In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He
knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's
too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to
some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that
reality will somehow be different.

We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude
awakening is inevitably just around the corner.

Todd Swearingen






>Michael Jones wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?
>
>Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some
>substance to it is required please.
>
>Keith Addison
>Journey to Forever
>KYOTO Pref., Japan
>http://journeytoforever.org/
>Biofuel list owner
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
>>
>>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>>
>>Madness of war memo
>>
>>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>>
>>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV
>>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo
>>reveals.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>  
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[bmolloy]

I think we've gone a bit off course 
here. As Pitt-Rivers said in his speech to the American Veterans for Peace 
conference back in '02, seeing Bush as the author of our foreign 
policy is the equivalent of blaming Mickey Mouse when Disney screws 
up.  In other words, the real movers and shakers are the good ole 
boys who form the Carlisle group, one of the offshoots of the 
military-industrial complex which really runs America.  Bush is simply the 
patsy in front of house.
Regards,
Bob.
 

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I was always wandering how Bush could be elected in the first 
place. He seems to be even worse than his father was.
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Appal Energy]

Keith,

 >> Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of
 >> their own choosing

 > :-) I'm not sure I share your gruesome sense of entertainment.

Seeing stupidity exposed has always warmed the cockles of my heart.

And, as it's only a suicide/"execution" of untenable philosophical or 
political beliefs - it's perfectly acceptable to conduct same in a 
public place/manner.

Shoot. It doesn't bother me if everyone sets up tables and sells food, 
drink and trinkets through it all. The more merriment the better.

:-)

Todd Swearingen


>Hi Todd
>
>  
>
>>Keith,
>>
>>
>>
>>>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
>>>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
>>>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants.
>>>  
>>>
>>You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud.
>>Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of
>>their own choosing.
>>
>>
>
>:-) I'm not sure I share your gruesome sense of entertainment.
>
>  
>
>>Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will.
>>
>>
>
>Let's see now, how does it go, the old refrain: as list-owner my 
>first obligation is to the list itself and the issues it represents, 
>my second obligation is to the individual members, until they put the 
>first obligation at risk.
>
>As far as I'm concerned, what that means is that they're welcome to 
>hang themselves if they want to but they should do it somewhere else.
>
>Meanwhile no word from Michael Jones. Sigh...
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

>Mike,
>
>Are they really?
>
>Then all the more reason to let them evidence their own stupidity and
>ignorance.
>
>There's a biblical verse that I've always been partial to. It's "My
>people perish for lack of knowledge." They did then (although it refers
>more towards spiritual knowledge) and they still do now.
>
>Let others display how patently little they know and oddly enough
>everyone becomes a little bit wiser..

Todd,  if that were true only one time out of ten I'd still be 
inclined to say the 10th time makes the other nine times worth it. 
But I'd remind you of a couple of things, two list threads in 
particular from a bit more than a year ago, I'm sure you'll remember 
them: "Oil and Israel", and "Fahrenheit 9/11". Even if you don't 
remember them, I sure as hell do. Far from the only examples to be 
sure, but stark enough to make the point.

Real-world communities and virtual ones are not the same, the same 
behaviour can have very different results, and the same people can 
behave very differently. In a virtual community, what's more likely 
is that the Lowest Common Denominator factor will rule if it's 
allowed to, and the list community itself becomes a little bit 
dumber. Or a lot dumber. We've seen that enough times too. Not here. 
It's highly probable that they'd take us with them.

All best

Keith



>Todd Swearingen
>
>
> >But they are taking us with them.
> >
> >Appal Energy wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Keith,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
> >>>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
> >>>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud.
> >>Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of
> >>their own choosing.
> >>
> >>Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will.
> >>
> >>Todd Swearingen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Todd
> >>>
> >>>You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what
> >>>do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam
> >>>Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the
> >>>US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago
> >>>or was it four?
> >>>
> >>>But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you
> >>>don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not
> >>>here anyway.
> >>>
> >>>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
> >>>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
> >>>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop
> >>>to it at the outset.
> >>>
> >>>It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a
> >>>statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his
> >>>statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a
> >>>face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual
> >>>group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference.
> >>>
> >>>Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to
> >>>give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if
> >>>there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time
> >>>next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm
> >>>sure.
> >>>
> >>>All best
> >>>
> >>>Keith
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Hey Keith,
> 
> Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see,
> people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their
> words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their
> words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread amongst the few
> gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.
> 
> It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has
> been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was
> just washed down with stale water.
> 
> In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He
> knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's
> too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to
> some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that
> reality will somehow be different.
> 
> We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude
> awakening is inevitably just around the corner.
> 
> Todd Swearingen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Michael Jones wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?
> >
> >Other list members have question

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

Hi Todd

>Keith,
>
> > We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
> > that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
> > and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants.
>
>You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud.
>Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of
>their own choosing.

:-) I'm not sure I share your gruesome sense of entertainment.

>Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will.

Let's see now, how does it go, the old refrain: as list-owner my 
first obligation is to the list itself and the issues it represents, 
my second obligation is to the individual members, until they put the 
first obligation at risk.

As far as I'm concerned, what that means is that they're welcome to 
hang themselves if they want to but they should do it somewhere else.

Meanwhile no word from Michael Jones. Sigh...

Best

Keith


>Todd Swearingen
>
> >Hi Todd
> >
> >You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what
> >do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam
> >Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the
> >US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago
> >or was it four?
> >
> >But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you
> >don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not
> >here anyway.
> >
> >We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
> >that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
> >and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop
> >to it at the outset.
> >
> >It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a
> >statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his
> >statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a
> >face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual
> >group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference.
> >
> >Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to
> >give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if
> >there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time
> >next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm
> >sure.
> >
> >All best
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hey Keith,
> >>
> >>Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see,
> >>people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their
> >>words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their
> >>words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread amongst the few
> >>gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.
> >>
> >>It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has
> >>been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was
> >>just washed down with stale water.
> >>
> >>In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He
> >>knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's
> >>too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to
> >>some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that
> >>reality will somehow be different.
> >>
> >>We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude
> >>awakening is inevitably just around the corner.
> >>
> >>Todd Swearingen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Michael Jones wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?
> >>>
> >>>Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some
> >>>substance to it is required please.
> >>>
> >>>Keith Addison
> >>>Journey to Forever
> >>>KYOTO Pref., Japan
> >>>http://journeytoforever.org/
> >>>Biofuel list owner
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
> 
> Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
> 
> Madness of war memo
> 
> By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
> 
> 11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV
> station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo
> reveals.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Appal Energy]

Mike,

Are they really?

Then all the more reason to let them evidence their own stupidity and 
ignorance.

There's a biblical verse that I've always been partial to. It's "My 
people perish for lack of knowledge." They did then (although it refers 
more towards spiritual knowledge) and they still do now.

Let others display how patently little they know and oddly enough 
everyone becomes a little bit wiser..

Todd Swearingen


>But they are taking us with them.
>
>Appal Energy wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Keith,
>>
>>
>>
>>>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
>>>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
>>>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants.
>>>  
>>>
>>You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud. 
>>Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of 
>>their own choosing.
>>
>>Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will.
>>
>>Todd Swearingen
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi Todd
>>>
>>>You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what 
>>>do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam 
>>>Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the 
>>>US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago 
>>>or was it four?
>>>
>>>But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you 
>>>don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not 
>>>here anyway.
>>>
>>>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is 
>>>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later 
>>>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop 
>>>to it at the outset.
>>>
>>>It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a 
>>>statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his 
>>>statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a 
>>>face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual 
>>>group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference.
>>>
>>>Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to 
>>>give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if 
>>>there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time 
>>>next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm 
>>>sure.
>>>
>>>All best
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Hey Keith,

Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see,
people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their
words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their
words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread amongst the few
gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.

It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has
been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was
just washed down with stale water.

In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He
knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's
too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to
some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that
reality will somehow be different.

We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude
awakening is inevitably just around the corner.

Todd Swearingen


  

 



>Michael Jones wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>
>  
>
>>And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?
>
>Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some
>substance to it is required please.
>
>Keith Addison
>Journey to Forever
>KYOTO Pref., Japan
>http://journeytoforever.org/
>Biofuel list owner
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>
>  
>
>>Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
>>
>>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>>
>>Madness of war memo
>>
>>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>>
>>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV
>>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo
>>reveals.
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>  
>


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Fred Finch]

We could only hope so!

On 11/25/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It would probably prove fatal to Cheney.Fred Finch wrote:> I think Chaney is too busy hiding in an undisclosed location.>> On 11/24/05, *Ken Riznyk* <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:>> Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can> impeach him.
>> --- Appal Energy < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:>> > Lovely. Absolutely lovely.
> >> > If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally> > have a mad man loose in> > the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his> > own thoughts for one
> > moment for the duration of his term of office.> >> > That or stack it on the list of evidence,> > "circumstantial" or otherwise,> > for his impeachement.
> >> > Todd Swearingen> >> >> >> >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
> > >> > >Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally> > >> > >Madness of war memo> > >> > >By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
> > >> > >11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned> > to bomb Arab TV> > >station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top> > Secret" No 10 memo
> > >reveals.> > >> > >But he was talked out of it at a White House summit> > by Tony Blair,> > >who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.
> > >> > >A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted,> > and no doubt Blair> > >didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by> > the US of
> > >fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.> > >> > >The attack would have led to a massacre of> > innocents on the territory> > >of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost
> > certainly have> > >sparked bloody retaliation.> > >> > >A source said last night: "The memo is explosive> > and hugely damaging to Bush.
> > >> > >"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in> > Qatar and elsewhere.> > >Blair replied that would cause a big problem.> > >
> > >"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no> > doubt Blair didn't> > >want him to do it."> > >> > >A Government official suggested that the Bush
> > threat had been> > >"humorous, not serious".> > >> > >But another source declared: "Bush was deadly> > serious, as was Blair.
> > >That much is absolutely clear from the language> > used by both men."> > >> > >Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter> > Kilfoyle challenged
> > >Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript> > of the two> > >leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening> > to think that such> > >a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier
> > actions.> > >> > >"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be> > published. It gives> > >an insight into the mindset of those who were the
> > architects of war."> > >> > >Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a> > civilian station with> > >a huge Mid-East following, at a White House
> > face-to-face with Mr> > >Blair on April 16 last year.> > >> > >At the time, the US was launching an all-out> > assault on insurgents in
> > >the Iraqi town of Fallujah.> > >> > >Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by> > reporting from behind> > >rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead
> > soldiers, private> > >contractors and Iraqi victims.> > >> > >The station, watched by millions, has also been> > used by bin Laden and
> > >al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten> > the West.> > >> > >Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of> > Qatar's capital, Doha.
> > >> > >Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy> > target for> > >bombers. As it is sited away from residential> > areas, and more than 10
> > >miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there> > would have been no> > >danger of "collateral damage".> > >> > >Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as
> > many believe,> > >Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and> > highly trained> > >technicians and journalists.> > >> > >To have wiped them out would have been equivalent
> > to bombing the BBC> > >in London and the most spectacular foreign policy> > disaster since the> > >Iraq War itself.> > >> > >The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US
> > claims that previous> > >attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military> > errors.> > >> > >In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out
> > by two "smart"> > >bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub> > was killed in a US> > >missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.
> > >> > >The memo, which also included details of troop>

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

But they are taking us with them.

Appal Energy wrote:

>Keith,
>
> > We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
> > that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
> > and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants.
>
>You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud. 
>Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of 
>their own choosing.
>
>Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>  
>
>>Hi Todd
>>
>>You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what 
>>do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam 
>>Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the 
>>US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago 
>>or was it four?
>>
>>But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you 
>>don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not 
>>here anyway.
>>
>>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is 
>>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later 
>>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop 
>>to it at the outset.
>>
>>It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a 
>>statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his 
>>statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a 
>>face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual 
>>group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference.
>>
>>Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to 
>>give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if 
>>there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time 
>>next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm 
>>sure.
>>
>>All best
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hey Keith,
>>>
>>>Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see,
>>>people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their
>>>words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their
>>>words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread amongst the few
>>>gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.
>>>
>>>It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has
>>>been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was
>>>just washed down with stale water.
>>>
>>>In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He
>>>knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's
>>>too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to
>>>some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that
>>>reality will somehow be different.
>>>
>>>We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude
>>>awakening is inevitably just around the corner.
>>>
>>>Todd Swearingen
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Michael Jones wrote:



 



>And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
>
>
>   
>
>  
>
Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?

Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some
substance to it is required please.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
Biofuel list owner





 



>Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
>
>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>
>Madness of war memo
>
>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>
>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV
>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo
>reveals.
>
>
>
>   
>
>  
>

 



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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Appal Energy]

Keith,

 > We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is
 > that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later
 > and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants.

You're correct. But it takes all the fun out of it if nipped in the bud. 
Much more entertaining to watch them swing in the wind on a rope of 
their own choosing.

Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves and most usually will.

Todd Swearingen

>Hi Todd
>
>You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what 
>do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam 
>Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the 
>US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago 
>or was it four?
>
>But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you 
>don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not 
>here anyway.
>
>We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is 
>that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later 
>and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop 
>to it at the outset.
>
>It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a 
>statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his 
>statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a 
>face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual 
>group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference.
>
>Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to 
>give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if 
>there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time 
>next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm 
>sure.
>
>All best
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Hey Keith,
>>
>>Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see,
>>people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their
>>words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their
>>words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread amongst the few
>>gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.
>>
>>It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has
>>been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was
>>just washed down with stale water.
>>
>>In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He
>>knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's
>>too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to
>>some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that
>>reality will somehow be different.
>>
>>We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude
>>awakening is inevitably just around the corner.
>>
>>Todd Swearingen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Michael Jones wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.




>>>Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?
>>>
>>>Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some
>>>substance to it is required please.
>>>
>>>Keith Addison
>>>Journey to Forever
>>>KYOTO Pref., Japan
>>>http://journeytoforever.org/
>>>Biofuel list owner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm

Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

Madness of war memo

By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines

11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV
station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo
reveals.





>>>
>>>  
>>>


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Walker Bennett]

Both the Post and NYT ran a short blurb on it and CNN mentioned it (briefly).  According to the BBC and the London papers, the fellow who "leaked" it has been arrested and is awaiting trial.Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I heard that The Wasington Post had picked up this story - anyone have more info?     Walker  (Ben W. Gardner)      ___
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

Hi Todd

You could be right, I don't know. Maybe it's a genuine comment - what 
do the latest polls say about how many Americans still believe Saddam 
Hussein was linked to 9/11 and Al Qaeda and his WMD threatened the 
US? How long ago did we totally trash all that here, three years ago 
or was it four?

But I'm not concerned about what he thinks or what he believes, you 
don't just simply ignore people who question what you've said. Or not 
here anyway.

We've seen it plenty of times before, eh? What often happens next is 
that they pretend it didn't happen and come back a month or two later 
and do the same thing again, hit-and-run merchants. Best put a stop 
to it at the outset.

It's an example, I'm not saying it applies to Michael. But he made a 
statement, it's been questioned, he should either support his 
statement or withdraw it. That's what he'd have to do if it was a 
face-to-face discussion among a group of people rather than a virtual 
group, and IMHO there shouldn't be any difference.

Anyway, Thanksgiving, I hope you all had a good holiday - much to 
give thanks for, and much to grieve over too. Much to be done if 
there's not to be less of the first and more of the second this time 
next year. My very best wishes for that, and everybody else's too I'm 
sure.

All best

Keith


>Hey Keith,
>
>Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see,
>people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their
>words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their
>words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread amongst the few
>gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.
>
>It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has
>been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was
>just washed down with stale water.
>
>In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He
>knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's
>too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to
>some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that
>reality will somehow be different.
>
>We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude
>awakening is inevitably just around the corner.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>
> >Michael Jones wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?
> >
> >Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some
> >substance to it is required please.
> >
> >Keith Addison
> >Journey to Forever
> >KYOTO Pref., Japan
> >http://journeytoforever.org/
> >Biofuel list owner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
> >>
> >>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
> >>
> >>Madness of war memo
> >>
> >>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
> >>
> >>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV
> >>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo
> >>reveals.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

Actually, my sources tell me Bush has a whole list:  First Al Jazeera, 
then The New York Times, then The Post...

bob allen wrote:

>here are a couple:
>
>ENGLAND: London - A civil servant has been charged under Britain's Official 
>Secrets Act for 
>allegedly leaking a government memo that a newspaper said Tuesday suggested 
>that Prime Minister Tony 
>Blair persuaded President Bush not to bomb the Arab satellite station 
>Al-Jazeera.
>
>The Daily Mirror reported that Bush spoke of targeting Al-Jazeera's 
>headquarters in Doha, Qatar, 
>when he met Blair at the White House on April 16, 2004. The Bush 
>administration has regularly 
>accused Al-Jazeera of being nothing more than a mouthpiece for anti-American 
>sentiments.
>
>The Daily Mirror attributed its information to unidentified sources.
>
>http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/13236822.htm
>
>
>
>It is alleged that Keogh, who has been charged under section 5 of the Official 
>Secrets Act, sent the 
>memo to O'Connor sometime between April 16 and May 28 of last year. O'Connor, 
>also charged, then 
>took the document to his boss, Clarke, who dutifully handed it back to the 
>government. O'Connor and 
>Keogh were arrested in August of last year; the charges have just recently 
>been filed.
>
>
>
>http://rawstory.com/news/2005/UK_Press_Gagged_by_Attorney_General_1123.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Mike Weaver wrote:
>  
>
>>Where did you learn about the arrest?  Send the source.
>>
>>Walker Bennett wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>The source has been documented and the "leaker" of the minutes has 
>>>been arrested and is awaiting arraignment.
>>>
>>>What are you, Republican?
>>>
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>>>Sedona, Arizona
>>>
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>>>   -Original Message-
>>>   *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
>>>   *Michael Jones
>>>   *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:58 AM
>>>   *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>   *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His
>>>   Arab Ally
>>>
>>>   And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
>>>
>>>   */Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>   http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
>>>
>>>   Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>>>
>>>   Madness of war memo
>>>
>>>   By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

It would probably prove fatal to Cheney.

Fred Finch wrote:

> I think Chaney is too busy hiding in an undisclosed location.
>
> On 11/24/05, *Ken Riznyk* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can
> impeach him.
>
> --- Appal Energy < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> > Lovely. Absolutely lovely.
> >
> > If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally
> > have a mad man loose in
> > the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his
> > own thoughts for one
> > moment for the duration of his term of office.
> >
> > That or stack it on the list of evidence,
> > "circumstantial" or otherwise,
> > for his impeachement.
> >
> > Todd Swearingen
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
> > >
> > >Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
> > >
> > >Madness of war memo
> > >
> > >By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
> > >
> > >11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned
> > to bomb Arab TV
> > >station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top
> > Secret" No 10 memo
> > >reveals.
> > >
> > >But he was talked out of it at a White House summit
> > by Tony Blair,
> > >who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.
> > >
> > >A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted,
> > and no doubt Blair
> > >didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by
> > the US of
> > >fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.
> > >
> > >The attack would have led to a massacre of
> > innocents on the territory
> > >of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost
> > certainly have
> > >sparked bloody retaliation.
> > >
> > >A source said last night: "The memo is explosive
> > and hugely damaging to Bush.
> > >
> > >"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in
> > Qatar and elsewhere.
> > >Blair replied that would cause a big problem.
> > >
> > >"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no
> > doubt Blair didn't
> > >want him to do it."
> > >
> > >A Government official suggested that the Bush
> > threat had been
> > >"humorous, not serious".
> > >
> > >But another source declared: "Bush was deadly
> > serious, as was Blair.
> > >That much is absolutely clear from the language
> > used by both men."
> > >
> > >Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter
> > Kilfoyle challenged
> > >Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript
> > of the two
> > >leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening
> > to think that such
> > >a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier
> > actions.
> > >
> > >"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be
> > published. It gives
> > >an insight into the mindset of those who were the
> > architects of war."
> > >
> > >Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a
> > civilian station with
> > >a huge Mid-East following, at a White House
> > face-to-face with Mr
> > >Blair on April 16 last year.
> > >
> > >At the time, the US was launching an all-out
> > assault on insurgents in
> > >the Iraqi town of Fallujah.
> > >
> > >Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by
> > reporting from behind
> > >rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead
> > soldiers, private
> > >contractors and Iraqi victims.
> > >
> > >The station, watched by millions, has also been
> > used by bin Laden and
> > >al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten
> > the West.
> > >
> > >Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of
> > Qatar's capital, Doha.
> > >
> > >Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy
> > target for
> > >bombers. As it is sited away from residential
> > areas, and more than 10
> > >miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there
> > would have been no
> > >danger of "collateral damage".
> > >
> > >Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as
> > many believe,
> > >Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and
> > highly trained
> > >technicians and journalists.
> > >
> > >To have wiped them out would have been equivalent
> > to bombing the BBC
> > >in London and the most spectacular foreign policy
> > disaster since the
> > >Iraq War itself.
> > >
> > >The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US
> > claims that previous
> > >attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military
> > errors.
> > >
> > >In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out
> > by two "smart"
> > >bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub
> > was killed in a US
> > >missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.
> > 

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

This was all over DC's gossip gang before it hit the papers.  There are 
always plenty on stories but not all are credible.  The Bush drinking 
story won't die but I have yet so see any real journalist pick it up.

Keith Addison wrote:

>Michael Jones wrote:
>
>  
>
>>And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
>>
>>
>
>Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?
>
>Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some 
>substance to it is required please.
>
>Keith Addison
>Journey to Forever
>KYOTO Pref., Japan
>http://journeytoforever.org/
>Biofuel list owner
>
> 
>
>  
>
>>Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
>>
>>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>>
>>Madness of war memo
>>
>>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>>
>>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV
>>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo
>>reveals.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

I heard that The Wasington Post had picked up this story - anyone have 
more info?

Doug Foskey wrote:

>Even if it was turned into a toothpick!
>regards Doug
>
>
>On Friday 25 November 2005 10:26, Kenji James Fuse wrote:
>  
>
>>My lips ain't touching that bush...
>>
>>On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Riznyk wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can
>>>impeach him.
>>>
>>>--- Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  
>>>
Lovely. Absolutely lovely.

If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally
have a mad man loose in
the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his
own thoughts for one
moment for the duration of his term of office.

That or stack it on the list of evidence,
"circumstantial" or otherwise,
for his impeachement.

Todd Swearingen



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm



>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>
>Madness of war memo
>
>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>
>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned
>  
>
to bomb Arab TV



>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top
>  
>
Secret" No 10 memo



>reveals.
>
>But he was talked out of it at a White House summit
>  
>
by Tony Blair,



>who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.
>
>A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted,
>  
>
and no doubt Blair



>didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by
>  
>
the US of



>fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.
>
>The attack would have led to a massacre of
>  
>
innocents on the territory



>of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost
>  
>
certainly have



>sparked bloody retaliation.
>
>A source said last night: "The memo is explosive
>  
>
and hugely damaging to Bush.



>"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in
>  
>
Qatar and elsewhere.



>Blair replied that would cause a big problem.
>
>"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no
>  
>
doubt Blair didn't



>want him to do it."
>
>A Government official suggested that the Bush
>  
>
threat had been



>"humorous, not serious".
>
>But another source declared: "Bush was deadly
>  
>
serious, as was Blair.



>That much is absolutely clear from the language
>  
>
used by both men."



>Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter
>  
>
Kilfoyle challenged



>Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript
>  
>
of the two



>leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening
>  
>
to think that such



>a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier
>  
>
actions.



>"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be
>  
>
published. It gives



>an insight into the mindset of those who were the
>  
>
architects of war."



>Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a
>  
>
civilian station with



>a huge Mid-East following, at a White House
>  
>
face-to-face with Mr



>Blair on April 16 last year.
>
>At the time, the US was launching an all-out
>  
>
assault on insurgents in



>the Iraqi town of Fallujah.
>
>Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by
>  
>
reporting from behind



>rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead
>  
>
soldiers, private



>contractors and Iraqi victims.
>
>The station, watched by millions, has also been
>  
>
used by bin Laden and



>al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten
>  
>
the West.



>Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of
>  
>
Qatar's capital, Doha.



>Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy
>  
>
target for



>bombers. As it is sited away from residential
>  
>
areas, and more than 10



>miles fro

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

Looks like our Keith is onto something:


  Paper Says Bush Talked of Bombing Arab TV Network

By Kevin Sullivan and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, November 23, 2005; Page A14

LONDON, Nov. 22 -- President Bush expressed interest in bombing the 
headquarters of the Arabic television network al-Jazeera during a White 
House conversation with Prime Minister Tony Blair in April 2004, a 
British newspaper reported Tuesday.

The Daily Mirror report was attributed to two anonymous sources 
describing a classified document they said contained a transcript of the 
two leaders' talk. One source is quoted as saying Bush's alleged remark 
concerning the network's headquarters in Qatar was "humorous, not 
serious," while the other said, "Bush was deadly serious."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/postphotos/orb/asection/2005-11-23/index.html?imgId=PH2005112201919&imgUrl=/photo/2005/11/22/PH2005112201919.html',650,850))>
A frame grab from Abu Dhabi television shows people carrying Al-Jazeera 
television correspondent Tareq Ayub in a blanket after he was killed in 
a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad offices 08 April 2003. 
Al-Jazeera's cameraman Zuheir al-Iraqi was hit in the neck by shrapnel 
in what the Qatar-based Arabic news network charged was a deliberate 
strike. AFP PHOTO/ABU DHABI TV 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/postphotos/orb/asection/2005-11-23/index.html?imgId=PH2005112201919&imgUrl=/photo/2005/11/22/PH2005112201919.html',650,850))>
 

A frame grab from Abu Dhabi television shows people carrying Al-Jazeera 
television correspondent Tareq Ayub in a blanket after he was killed in 
a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad offices 08 April 2003. 
Al-Jazeera's cameraman Zuheir al-Iraqi was hit in the neck by shrapnel 
in what the Qatar-based Arabic news network charged was a deliberate 
strike. AFP PHOTO/ABU DHABI TV (Abu Dhabi Tv/via Afp)


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In Washington, a senior diplomat said the Bush remark as recounted in 
the newspaper "sounds like one of the president's one-liners that is 
meant as a joke." But, the diplomat said, "it was foolish for someone to 
write it down, and now it will be a story for days."

"We are not interested in dignifying something so outlandish and 
inconceivable with a response," White House spokesman Scott McClellan 
told the Associated Press in an e-mail.

Al-Jazeera has frequently aired recorded statements from al Qaeda 
figures. Bush administration officials have contended that through that 
type of broadcasting the network often serves as a conduit for terrorist 
propaganda.

In 2003, during the invasion of Iraq, a U.S. missile hit the network's 
office in Baghdad, killing a correspondent. U.S. officials called the 
incident an accident. In 2001, American bombs exploded in its bureau in 
Kabul, Afghanistan. Washington said the targeting officers did not know 
that the site was an office of the television service, believing instead 
that it was used by al Qaeda.

A former senior U.S. intelligence official said that it was clear the 
White House saw al-Jazeera as a problem, but that although the CIA's 
clandestine service came up with plans to counteract it, such as 
planting people on its staff, it never received permission to proceed. 
"Bombing in Qatar was never contemplated," the former official said.

A spokesman for Blair's office declined to comment on grounds that the 
document is part of a criminal investigation. Two civil servants have 
been charged with violating Britain's Official Secrets Act for allegedly 
disclosing the document.

According to a source quoted in the Daily Mail, Blair told Bush that 
bombing al-Jazeera "would cause a big problem." The source was also 
quoted as saying: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do -- and no 
doubt Blair didn't want him to do it."

The network is based in downtown Doha, the capital of Qatar, a Persian 
Gulf state that is closely allied with the United States and has allowed 
U.S. forces to base their military headquarters there during the Iraq war.

Al-Jazeera, in a statement released Tuesday evening, said it was trying 
to verify the newspaper's account and called on Blair's office to clear 
up the issue.

"If the report is correct, then this would be both shocking and 
worrisome not only to al-Jazeera but to media organizations across t

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

I'm a war-time president!
Freedom Hater!


Appal Energy wrote:

>Hey Keith,
>
>Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see, 
>people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their 
>words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their 
>words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread amongst the few 
>gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.
>
>It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has 
>been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was 
>just washed down with stale water.
>
>In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He 
>knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's 
>too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to 
>some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that 
>reality will somehow be different.
>
>We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude 
>awakening is inevitably just around the corner.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>
>  
>
>>Michael Jones wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?
>>
>>Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some 
>>substance to it is required please.
>>
>>Keith Addison
>>Journey to Forever
>>KYOTO Pref., Japan
>>http://journeytoforever.org/
>>Biofuel list owner
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
>>>
>>>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>>>
>>>Madness of war memo
>>>
>>>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>>>
>>>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV
>>>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo
>>>reveals.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Dietmar]

I was always wandering how Bush could be elected in the first place. He seems to be even worse than his father was.
 
Dietmar 
 
---Original Message---
 

From: Doug Foskey
Date: 11/25/05 09:03:39
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
 
Even if it was turned into a toothpick!
regards Doug
 
 
On Friday 25 November 2005 10:26, Kenji James Fuse wrote:
> My lips ain't touching that bush...
>
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Riznyk wrote:
> > Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can
> > impeach him.
> >
> > --- Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Lovely. Absolutely lovely.
> > >
> > > If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally
> > > have a mad man loose in
> > > the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his
> > > own thoughts for one
> > > moment for the duration of his term of office.
> > >
> > > That or stack it on the list of evidence,
> > > "circumstantial" or otherwise,
> > > for his impeachement.
> > >
> > > Todd Swearingen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
> > >
> > > >Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
> > > >
> > > >Madness of war memo
> > > >
> > > >By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
> > > >
> > > >11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned
> > >
> > > to bomb Arab TV
> > >
> > > >station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top
> > >
> > > Secret" No 10 memo
> > >
> > > >reveals.
> > > >
> > > >But he was talked out of it at a White House summit
> > >
> > > by Tony Blair,
> > >
> > > >who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.
> > > >
> > > >A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted,
> > >
> > > and no doubt Blair
> > >
> > > >didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by
> > >
> > > the US of
> > >
> > > >fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.
> > > >
> > > >The attack would have led to a massacre of
> > >
> > > innocents on the territory
> > >
> > > >of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost
> > >
> > > certainly have
> > >
> > > >sparked bloody retaliation.
> > > >
> > > >A source said last night: "The memo is explosive
> > >
> > > and hugely damaging to Bush.
> > >
> > > >"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in
> > >
> > > Qatar and elsewhere.
> > >
> > > >Blair replied that would cause a big problem.
> > > >
> > > >"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no
> > >
> > > doubt Blair didn't
> > >
> > > >want him to do it."
> > > >
> > > >A Government official suggested that the Bush
> > >
> > > threat had been
> > >
> > > >"humorous, not serious".
> > > >
> > > >But another source declared: "Bush was deadly
> > >
> > > serious, as was Blair.
> > >
> > > >That much is absolutely clear from the language
> > >
> > > used by both men."
> > >
> > > >Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter
> > >
> > > Kilfoyle challenged
> > >
> > > >Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript
> > >
> > > of the two
> > >
> > > >leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening
> > >
> > > to think that such
> > >
> > > >a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier
> > >
> > > actions.
> > >
> > > >"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be
> > >
> > > published. It gives
> > >
> > > >an insight into the mindset of those who were the
> > >
> > > architects of war."
> > >
> > > >Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a
> > >
> > > civilian station with
> > >
> > > >a huge Mid-East following, at a White House
> > >
> > > face-to-face with Mr
> > >
> > > >Blair on April 16 last year.
> > > >
> > > &g

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Doug Foskey]

Even if it was turned into a toothpick!
regards Doug


On Friday 25 November 2005 10:26, Kenji James Fuse wrote:
> My lips ain't touching that bush...
>
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Riznyk wrote:
> > Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can
> > impeach him.
> >
> > --- Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Lovely. Absolutely lovely.
> > >
> > > If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally
> > > have a mad man loose in
> > > the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his
> > > own thoughts for one
> > > moment for the duration of his term of office.
> > >
> > > That or stack it on the list of evidence,
> > > "circumstantial" or otherwise,
> > > for his impeachement.
> > >
> > > Todd Swearingen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
> > >
> > > >Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
> > > >
> > > >Madness of war memo
> > > >
> > > >By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
> > > >
> > > >11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned
> > >
> > > to bomb Arab TV
> > >
> > > >station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top
> > >
> > > Secret" No 10 memo
> > >
> > > >reveals.
> > > >
> > > >But he was talked out of it at a White House summit
> > >
> > > by Tony Blair,
> > >
> > > >who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.
> > > >
> > > >A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted,
> > >
> > > and no doubt Blair
> > >
> > > >didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by
> > >
> > > the US of
> > >
> > > >fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.
> > > >
> > > >The attack would have led to a massacre of
> > >
> > > innocents on the territory
> > >
> > > >of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost
> > >
> > > certainly have
> > >
> > > >sparked bloody retaliation.
> > > >
> > > >A source said last night: "The memo is explosive
> > >
> > > and hugely damaging to Bush.
> > >
> > > >"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in
> > >
> > > Qatar and elsewhere.
> > >
> > > >Blair replied that would cause a big problem.
> > > >
> > > >"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no
> > >
> > > doubt Blair didn't
> > >
> > > >want him to do it."
> > > >
> > > >A Government official suggested that the Bush
> > >
> > > threat had been
> > >
> > > >"humorous, not serious".
> > > >
> > > >But another source declared: "Bush was deadly
> > >
> > > serious, as was Blair.
> > >
> > > >That much is absolutely clear from the language
> > >
> > > used by both men."
> > >
> > > >Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter
> > >
> > > Kilfoyle challenged
> > >
> > > >Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript
> > >
> > > of the two
> > >
> > > >leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening
> > >
> > > to think that such
> > >
> > > >a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier
> > >
> > > actions.
> > >
> > > >"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be
> > >
> > > published. It gives
> > >
> > > >an insight into the mindset of those who were the
> > >
> > > architects of war."
> > >
> > > >Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a
> > >
> > > civilian station with
> > >
> > > >a huge Mid-East following, at a White House
> > >
> > > face-to-face with Mr
> > >
> > > >Blair on April 16 last year.
> > > >
> > > >At the time, the US was launching an all-out
> > >
> > > assault on insurgents in
> > >
> > > >the Iraqi town of Fallujah.
> > > >
> > > >Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by
> > >
> > > reporting from behind
> > >
> > > >rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead
> > >
> > > soldiers, private
> > >
> > > >contractors and Iraqi victims.
> > > >
> > > >The station, watched by millions, has also been
> > >
> > > used by bin Laden and
> > >
> > > >al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten
> > >
> > > the West.
> > >
> > > >Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of
> > >
> > > Qatar's capital, Doha.
> > >
> > > >Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy
> > >
> > > target for
> > >
> > > >bombers. As it is sited away from residential
> > >
> > > areas, and more than 10
> > >
> > > >miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there
> > >
> > > would have been no
> > >
> > > >danger of "collateral damage".
> > > >
> > > >Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as
> > >
> > > many believe,
> > >
> > > >Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and
> > >
> > > highly trained
> > >
> > > >technicians and journalists.
> > > >
> > > >To have wiped them out would have been equivalent
> > >
> > > to bombing the BBC
> > >
> > > >in London and the most spectacular foreign policy
> > >
> > > disaster since the
> > >
> > > >Iraq War itself.
> > > >
> > > >The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US
> > >
> > > claims that previous
> > >
> > > >attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military
> > >
> > > errors.
> > >
> > > >In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out
> > >
> > > by two "smart"
> > >
> > > >bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub
> > >
> > > was killed in a US

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Appal Energy]

Hey Keith,

Just let him stew over his own statement and mis-beliefs. You see, 
people who make such remarks generally have nothing to back up their 
words. But their hope is that others will say nothing and just let their 
words stand, allowing a little more "doubt" to be spread amongst the few 
gullible or uninformed people who might still remain.

It's guerrilla tactics at best, knowing full well that the armory has 
been empty for a very long time and that the last roll of hard tack was 
just washed down with stale water.

In this case, it's he who some sympathy should be extended towards. He 
knows a sinking, worm-ridden ship when he sees one. Unfortunately he's 
too proud to admit that he's been duped all along and still clings to 
some hope that if he keeps his eyes closed tight for long enough that 
reality will somehow be different.

We should all wish him well with his folly on this holiday, as his rude 
awakening is inevitably just around the corner.

Todd Swearingen


>Michael Jones wrote:
>
>  
>
>>And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
>>
>>
>
>Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?
>
>Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some 
>substance to it is required please.
>
>Keith Addison
>Journey to Forever
>KYOTO Pref., Japan
>http://journeytoforever.org/
>Biofuel list owner
>
> 
>
>  
>
>>Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
>>
>>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>>
>>Madness of war memo
>>
>>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>>
>>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV
>>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo
>>reveals.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Kenji James Fuse]

My lips ain't touching that bush...

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Riznyk wrote:

> Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can
> impeach him.
>
> --- Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Lovely. Absolutely lovely.
> >
> > If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally
> > have a mad man loose in
> > the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his
> > own thoughts for one
> > moment for the duration of his term of office.
> >
> > That or stack it on the list of evidence,
> > "circumstantial" or otherwise,
> > for his impeachement.
> >
> > Todd Swearingen
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
> > >
> > >Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
> > >
> > >Madness of war memo
> > >
> > >By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
> > >
> > >11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned
> > to bomb Arab TV
> > >station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top
> > Secret" No 10 memo
> > >reveals.
> > >
> > >But he was talked out of it at a White House summit
> > by Tony Blair,
> > >who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.
> > >
> > >A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted,
> > and no doubt Blair
> > >didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by
> > the US of
> > >fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.
> > >
> > >The attack would have led to a massacre of
> > innocents on the territory
> > >of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost
> > certainly have
> > >sparked bloody retaliation.
> > >
> > >A source said last night: "The memo is explosive
> > and hugely damaging to Bush.
> > >
> > >"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in
> > Qatar and elsewhere.
> > >Blair replied that would cause a big problem.
> > >
> > >"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no
> > doubt Blair didn't
> > >want him to do it."
> > >
> > >A Government official suggested that the Bush
> > threat had been
> > >"humorous, not serious".
> > >
> > >But another source declared: "Bush was deadly
> > serious, as was Blair.
> > >That much is absolutely clear from the language
> > used by both men."
> > >
> > >Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter
> > Kilfoyle challenged
> > >Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript
> > of the two
> > >leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening
> > to think that such
> > >a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier
> > actions.
> > >
> > >"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be
> > published. It gives
> > >an insight into the mindset of those who were the
> > architects of war."
> > >
> > >Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a
> > civilian station with
> > >a huge Mid-East following, at a White House
> > face-to-face with Mr
> > >Blair on April 16 last year.
> > >
> > >At the time, the US was launching an all-out
> > assault on insurgents in
> > >the Iraqi town of Fallujah.
> > >
> > >Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by
> > reporting from behind
> > >rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead
> > soldiers, private
> > >contractors and Iraqi victims.
> > >
> > >The station, watched by millions, has also been
> > used by bin Laden and
> > >al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten
> > the West.
> > >
> > >Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of
> > Qatar's capital, Doha.
> > >
> > >Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy
> > target for
> > >bombers. As it is sited away from residential
> > areas, and more than 10
> > >miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there
> > would have been no
> > >danger of "collateral damage".
> > >
> > >Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as
> > many believe,
> > >Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and
> > highly trained
> > >technicians and journalists.
> > >
> > >To have wiped them out would have been equivalent
> > to bombing the BBC
> > >in London and the most spectacular foreign policy
> > disaster since the
> > >Iraq War itself.
> > >
> > >The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US
> > claims that previous
> > >attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military
> > errors.
> > >
> > >In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out
> > by two "smart"
> > >bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub
> > was killed in a US
> > >missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.
> > >
> > >The memo, which also included details of troop
> > deployments, turned up
> > >in May last year at the Northampton constituency
> > office of then
> > >Labour MP Tony Clarke.
> > >
> > >Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is
> > accused under the
> > >Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor,
> > 42, who used to
> > >work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at
> > Bow Street court
> > >next week.
> > >
> > >Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the
> > memo to No 10.
> > >
> > >He said Mr O'Connor had behaved "perfectly
> > correctly".
> > >
> > >Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No
> > 10 did not comment.
> > >
> > >Copyright - The Mirror
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

Michael Jones wrote:

>And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.

Based on what, exactly? Anything more substantial than your opinion?

Other list members have questioned you too. A response with some 
substance to it is required please.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
Biofuel list owner

 

>Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
>
>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>
>Madness of war memo
>
>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>
>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV
>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo
>reveals.
>



 


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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Fred Finch]

I think Chaney is too busy hiding in an undisclosed location.On 11/24/05, Ken Riznyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we canimpeach him.--- Appal Energy <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Lovely. Absolutely lovely.>> If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally> have a mad man loose in> the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his
> own thoughts for one> moment for the duration of his term of office.>> That or stack it on the list of evidence,> "circumstantial" or otherwise,> for his impeachement.
>> Todd Swearingenhttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm> >> >Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
> >> >Madness of war memo> >> >By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines> >> >11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned> to bomb Arab TV> >station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top
> Secret" No 10 memo> >reveals.> >> >But he was talked out of it at a White House summit> by Tony Blair,> >who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.> >
> >A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted,> and no doubt Blair> >didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by> the US of> >fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.
> >> >The attack would have led to a massacre of> innocents on the territory> >of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost> certainly have> >sparked bloody retaliation.
> >> >A source said last night: "The memo is explosive> and hugely damaging to Bush.> >> >"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in> Qatar and elsewhere.
> >Blair replied that would cause a big problem.> >> >"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no> doubt Blair didn't> >want him to do it."> >> >A Government official suggested that the Bush
> threat had been> >"humorous, not serious".> >> >But another source declared: "Bush was deadly> serious, as was Blair.> >That much is absolutely clear from the language
> used by both men."> >> >Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter> Kilfoyle challenged> >Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript> of the two> >leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening
> to think that such> >a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier> actions.> >> >"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be> published. It gives> >an insight into the mindset of those who were the
> architects of war."> >> >Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a> civilian station with> >a huge Mid-East following, at a White House> face-to-face with Mr
> >Blair on April 16 last year.> >> >At the time, the US was launching an all-out> assault on insurgents in> >the Iraqi town of Fallujah.> >> >Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by
> reporting from behind> >rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead> soldiers, private> >contractors and Iraqi victims.> >> >The station, watched by millions, has also been
> used by bin Laden and> >al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten> the West.> >> >Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of> Qatar's capital, Doha.> >
> >Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy> target for> >bombers. As it is sited away from residential> areas, and more than 10> >miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there
> would have been no> >danger of "collateral damage".> >> >Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as> many believe,> >Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and
> highly trained> >technicians and journalists.> >> >To have wiped them out would have been equivalent> to bombing the BBC> >in London and the most spectacular foreign policy
> disaster since the> >Iraq War itself.> >> >The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US> claims that previous> >attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military> errors.
> >> >In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out> by two "smart"> >bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub> was killed in a US> >missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.
> >> >The memo, which also included details of troop> deployments, turned up> >in May last year at the Northampton constituency> office of then> >Labour MP Tony Clarke.
> >> >Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is> accused under the> >Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor,> 42, who used to> >work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at
> Bow Street court> >next week.> >> >Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the> memo to No 10.> >> >He said Mr O'Connor had behaved "perfectly
> correctly".> >> >Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No> 10 did not comment.> >> >Copyright - The Mirror> >> >> >___
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[bob allen]

here are a couple:

ENGLAND: London - A civil servant has been charged under Britain's Official 
Secrets Act for 
allegedly leaking a government memo that a newspaper said Tuesday suggested 
that Prime Minister Tony 
Blair persuaded President Bush not to bomb the Arab satellite station 
Al-Jazeera.

The Daily Mirror reported that Bush spoke of targeting Al-Jazeera's 
headquarters in Doha, Qatar, 
when he met Blair at the White House on April 16, 2004. The Bush administration 
has regularly 
accused Al-Jazeera of being nothing more than a mouthpiece for anti-American 
sentiments.

The Daily Mirror attributed its information to unidentified sources.

http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/13236822.htm



It is alleged that Keogh, who has been charged under section 5 of the Official 
Secrets Act, sent the 
memo to O'Connor sometime between April 16 and May 28 of last year. O'Connor, 
also charged, then 
took the document to his boss, Clarke, who dutifully handed it back to the 
government. O'Connor and 
Keogh were arrested in August of last year; the charges have just recently been 
filed.



http://rawstory.com/news/2005/UK_Press_Gagged_by_Attorney_General_1123.html










Mike Weaver wrote:
> Where did you learn about the arrest?  Send the source.
> 
> Walker Bennett wrote:
> 
> 
>>The source has been documented and the "leaker" of the minutes has 
>>been arrested and is awaiting arraignment.
>> 
>>What are you, Republican?
>> 
>>Walker Bennett
>>Sedona, Arizona
>> 
>>"I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them." --Isaac Asimov
>>
>>/My personal homepage <http://ca.geocities.com/vladilyich/>/
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>>-Original Message-
>>    *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
>>*Michael Jones
>>*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:58 AM
>>*To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>*Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His
>>Arab Ally
>>
>>And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
>>
>>*/Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>
>>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
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>>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>>
>>Madness of war memo
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Ken Riznyk]

Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can
impeach him.

--- Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lovely. Absolutely lovely.
> 
> If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally
> have a mad man loose in 
> the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his
> own thoughts for one 
> moment for the duration of his term of office.
> 
> That or stack it on the list of evidence,
> "circumstantial" or otherwise, 
> for his impeachement.
> 
> Todd Swearingen
> 
> 
>
>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
> >
> >Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
> >
> >Madness of war memo
> >
> >By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
> >
> >11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned
> to bomb Arab TV 
> >station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top
> Secret" No 10 memo 
> >reveals.
> >
> >But he was talked out of it at a White House summit
> by Tony Blair, 
> >who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.
> >
> >A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted,
> and no doubt Blair 
> >didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by
> the US of 
> >fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.
> >
> >The attack would have led to a massacre of
> innocents on the territory 
> >of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost
> certainly have 
> >sparked bloody retaliation.
> >
> >A source said last night: "The memo is explosive
> and hugely damaging to Bush.
> >
> >"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in
> Qatar and elsewhere. 
> >Blair replied that would cause a big problem.
> >
> >"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no
> doubt Blair didn't 
> >want him to do it."
> >
> >A Government official suggested that the Bush
> threat had been 
> >"humorous, not serious".
> >
> >But another source declared: "Bush was deadly
> serious, as was Blair. 
> >That much is absolutely clear from the language
> used by both men."
> >
> >Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter
> Kilfoyle challenged 
> >Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript
> of the two 
> >leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening
> to think that such 
> >a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier
> actions.
> >
> >"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be
> published. It gives 
> >an insight into the mindset of those who were the
> architects of war."
> >
> >Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a
> civilian station with 
> >a huge Mid-East following, at a White House
> face-to-face with Mr 
> >Blair on April 16 last year.
> >
> >At the time, the US was launching an all-out
> assault on insurgents in 
> >the Iraqi town of Fallujah.
> >
> >Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by
> reporting from behind 
> >rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead
> soldiers, private 
> >contractors and Iraqi victims.
> >
> >The station, watched by millions, has also been
> used by bin Laden and 
> >al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten
> the West.
> >
> >Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of
> Qatar's capital, Doha.
> >
> >Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy
> target for 
> >bombers. As it is sited away from residential
> areas, and more than 10 
> >miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there
> would have been no 
> >danger of "collateral damage".
> >
> >Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as
> many believe, 
> >Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and
> highly trained 
> >technicians and journalists.
> >
> >To have wiped them out would have been equivalent
> to bombing the BBC 
> >in London and the most spectacular foreign policy
> disaster since the 
> >Iraq War itself.
> >
> >The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US
> claims that previous 
> >attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military
> errors.
> >
> >In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out
> by two "smart" 
> >bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub
> was killed in a US 
> >missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.
> >
> >The memo, which also included details of troop
> deployments, turned up 
> >in May last year at the Northampton constituency
> office of then 
> >Labour MP Tony Clarke.
> >
> >Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is
> accused under the 
> >Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor,
> 42, who used to 
> >work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at
> Bow Street court 
> >next week.
> >
> >Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the
> memo to No 10.
> >
> >He said Mr O'Connor had behaved "perfectly
> correctly".
> >
> >Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No
> 10 did not comment.
> >
> >Copyright - The Mirror
> > 
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Mike Weaver]

Where did you learn about the arrest?  Send the source.

Walker Bennett wrote:

> The source has been documented and the "leaker" of the minutes has 
> been arrested and is awaiting arraignment.
>  
> What are you, Republican?
>  
> Walker Bennett
> Sedona, Arizona
>  
> "I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them." --Isaac Asimov
>
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> /My writing portfolio <http://www.writing.com/authors/vladilyich/>/
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>  
> - */*ISBN*:  *1-4116-3848-4*
> */Just In Time 
> <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1411638514/qid=1127593489/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-7808048-9688144?v=glance&s=books>
>  
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> **Available from Amazon.Com
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>
> -Original Message-
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of
> *Michael Jones
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:58 AM
> *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> *Subject:* [Bulk] Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His
> Arab Ally
>
> And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.
>
> */Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
>
> Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>
> Madness of war memo
>
> By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Walker Bennett]

Title: Message



The 
source has been documented and the "leaker" of the minutes has been arrested and 
is awaiting arraignment.
 
What 
are you, Republican?
 
Walker Bennett
Sedona, Arizona
 
"I do not fear computers. I fear lack of 
them." --Isaac Asimov
My personal 
homepage
My writing 
portfolio
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In Time - ISBN 1-4116-3851-4
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  And I feel sorry for anyone who believes 
  this.Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab AllyMadness of war memoBy Kevin 
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Michael Jones]

And I feel sorry for anyone who believes this.Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htmExclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab AllyMadness of war memoBy Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo reveals.But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the
 Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation.A source said last night: "The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush."He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem."There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it."A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been "humorous, not serious".But another source declared: "Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men."Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions."I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into
 the mindset of those who were the architects of war."Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year.At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah.Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims.The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West.Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha.Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of "collateral
 damage".Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists.To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself.The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors.In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two "smart" bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke.Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used
 to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week.Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10.He said Mr O'Connor had behaved "perfectly correctly".Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment.Copyright - The Mirror ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Appal Energy]

Lovely. Absolutely lovely.

If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in 
the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one 
moment for the duration of his term of office.

That or stack it on the list of evidence, "circumstantial" or otherwise, 
for his impeachement.

Todd Swearingen


>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm
>
>Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
>
>Madness of war memo
>
>By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines
>
>11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV 
>station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo 
>reveals.
>
>But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, 
>who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.
>
>A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair 
>didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of 
>fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.
>
>The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory 
>of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have 
>sparked bloody retaliation.
>
>A source said last night: "The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush.
>
>"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. 
>Blair replied that would cause a big problem.
>
>"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't 
>want him to do it."
>
>A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been 
>"humorous, not serious".
>
>But another source declared: "Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. 
>That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men."
>
>Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged 
>Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two 
>leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening to think that such 
>a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions.
>
>"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives 
>an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war."
>
>Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with 
>a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr 
>Blair on April 16 last year.
>
>At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in 
>the Iraqi town of Fallujah.
>
>Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind 
>rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private 
>contractors and Iraqi victims.
>
>The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and 
>al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West.
>
>Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha.
>
>Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for 
>bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 
>miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no 
>danger of "collateral damage".
>
>Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, 
>Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained 
>technicians and journalists.
>
>To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC 
>in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the 
>Iraq War itself.
>
>The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous 
>attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors.
>
>In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two "smart" 
>bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US 
>missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.
>
>The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up 
>in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then 
>Labour MP Tony Clarke.
>
>Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the 
>Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to 
>work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court 
>next week.
>
>Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10.
>
>He said Mr O'Connor had behaved "perfectly correctly".
>
>Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment.
>
>Copyright - The Mirror
> 
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[Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

[Keith Addison]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm

Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

Madness of war memo

By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines

11/22/05 "The Mirror" -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV 
station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo 
reveals.

But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, 
who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.

A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair 
didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of 
fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.

The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory 
of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have 
sparked bloody retaliation.

A source said last night: "The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush.

"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. 
Blair replied that would cause a big problem.

"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't 
want him to do it."

A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been 
"humorous, not serious".

But another source declared: "Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. 
That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men."

Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged 
Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two 
leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening to think that such 
a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions.

"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives 
an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war."

Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with 
a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr 
Blair on April 16 last year.

At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in 
the Iraqi town of Fallujah.

Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind 
rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private 
contractors and Iraqi victims.

The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and 
al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West.

Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha.

Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for 
bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 
miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no 
danger of "collateral damage".

Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, 
Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained 
technicians and journalists.

To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC 
in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the 
Iraq War itself.

The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous 
attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors.

In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two "smart" 
bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US 
missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.

The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up 
in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then 
Labour MP Tony Clarke.

Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the 
Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to 
work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court 
next week.

Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10.

He said Mr O'Connor had behaved "perfectly correctly".

Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment.

Copyright - The Mirror
 

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