[Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources...
Hi Jesse and all >Mike >Yup, I too want to know this, please? We are still fumbling toward our >co-op. Naturally, I should just look at Keith's archives and SEE IT ALL!!! >Jesse I'm not sure what all is in the archives, maybe not any definitive answers. There's nothing about filtering at JtF. I've been sort of sporadically working on a section covering filtering, as well as collection and so on, for SVO as well as biodiesel, and I'd like to finish it and get it uploaded. So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about filtering, and not filtering. Best Keith > > From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:21:41 -0400 > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vegtable oil sources... > > > > Build a filter system - it's not hard and use WVO... > > > > I'll tell you how mine works... > > > > Jared (RogueOP Productions) wrote: > > > >> Hi! I was wondering if anyone had a good source for bulk fresh > >> vegetable oil. It can be online or local to the northeast United States. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> - Jared ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources...
Keith, You wrote: "So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about filtering, and not filtering." I filtered my WVO when I was doing small - 1L, 5L, 15L batches - but found it to be too time and energy-consuming when I began to run larger (91L) batches. Before upscaling my process, I had already set up sources for WVO, and was getting far more WVO than I was processing. Cubies of WVO were filling up my shed. I got a few 55 gal drums to store the oil in and found that after settling in the cubies for a few weeks, the oil was very clear. I now rely on gravity/settling and do not filter my WVO. I allow the WVO to settle in cubies for a week. I then pour the top 80% of each cubie into a barrel and consolidate the bottoms of 5 cubies into 1. Most of this will be ready for the barrel the next week. I have 4 WVO barrels. One is settled and is used for processing, two are settling, and one is being filled. I pump WVO out of the settled barrel from the top 3/4. This oil is very clear and requires very little drying. Tom - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... > Hi Jesse and all > >>Mike >>Yup, I too want to know this, please? We are still fumbling toward our >>co-op. Naturally, I should just look at Keith's archives and SEE IT >>ALL!!! >>Jesse > > I'm not sure what all is in the archives, maybe not any definitive > answers. There's nothing about filtering at JtF. I've been sort of > sporadically working on a section covering filtering, as well as > collection and so on, for SVO as well as biodiesel, and I'd like to > finish it and get it uploaded. > > So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about > filtering, and not filtering. > > Best > > Keith > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources...
Thankyou Tom. >Keith, >You wrote: >"So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about filtering, and >not filtering." > > I filtered my WVO when I was doing small - 1L, 5L, 15L batches - but >found it to be too time and energy-consuming when I began to run larger >(91L) batches. > Before upscaling my process, I had already set up sources for WVO, and >was getting far more WVO than I was processing. I think if you want to have enough you have to arrange for too much. WVO isn't the only thing we have too much of. It's a bit like growing food, the problem is surplus. Do you make more biodiesel than you require as well, and if so what do you do with it? >Cubies of WVO were filling >up my shed. Ah, another question - what exactly is a cubie? I don't think I've ever seen one. Sometimes we pump the WVO out of drums into 18-litre carboys but mostly we get it in the 18-litre metal cans it comes in. >I got a few 55 gal drums to store the oil in and found that after settling >in the cubies for a few weeks, the oil was very clear. I now rely on >gravity/settling and do not filter my WVO. > I allow the WVO to settle in cubies for a week. I then pour the top 80% >of each cubie into a barrel and consolidate the bottoms of 5 cubies into 1. >Most of this will be ready for the barrel the next week. I have 4 WVO >barrels. One is settled and is used for processing, two are settling, and >one is being filled. I pump WVO out of the settled barrel from the top 3/4. >This oil is very clear and requires very little drying. We do something similar, no filtering, gravity and settling work just fine. I think if people don't have the time to wait for it to settle it would be worth increasing the WVO supply and reserves to make the time. We need a couple more settling drums, I've got the drums, I'm about to weld together the stands. I don't pump it out of the top though, I use a bottom drain and a standpipe, drain the stuff at the bottom every now and then and resettle it the same way. I don't bother much with dewatering/drying, it's seldom necessary. What's the average titration level of your WVO, Tom? Do you filter your biodiesel before use? Thanks again. Best Keith > Tom >- Original Message ----- >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:00 AM >Subject: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... > > > > Hi Jesse and all > > > >>Mike > >>Yup, I too want to know this, please? We are still fumbling toward our > >>co-op. Naturally, I should just look at Keith's archives and SEE IT > >>ALL!!! > >>Jesse > > > > I'm not sure what all is in the archives, maybe not any definitive > > answers. There's nothing about filtering at JtF. I've been sort of > > sporadically working on a section covering filtering, as well as > > collection and so on, for SVO as well as biodiesel, and I'd like to > > finish it and get it uploaded. > > > > So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about > > filtering, and not filtering. > > > > Best > > > > Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources...
Sock filters are relatively cheap and a head can be bought for them from http://www.mcmaster.com/ ,search for "filter head" ,allowing you to pump through the filter makeing it last much longer and go faster. I would think setteling would be good enough before processing, but once processed I would pump it through a sock filter bringing it down to at least 30 microns. The filters should be under 5 dollars each and do several hundred gallons of processed fuel per a filter. The head is under 20 dollars from them. Then use a clearwater pump for about 30 dollars and you will pump fast and have clean fuel for your vehicle. Oh remember polypropylene filters not polyester. They hold up much better with biodiesel. Logan Vilas - Original Message - From: "Thomas Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... > Keith, >You wrote: > "So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about filtering, > and > not filtering." > > I filtered my WVO when I was doing small - 1L, 5L, 15L batches - but > found it to be too time and energy-consuming when I began to run larger > (91L) batches. > Before upscaling my process, I had already set up sources for WVO, and > was getting far more WVO than I was processing. Cubies of WVO were filling > up my shed. > I got a few 55 gal drums to store the oil in and found that after settling > in the cubies for a few weeks, the oil was very clear. I now rely on > gravity/settling and do not filter my WVO. > I allow the WVO to settle in cubies for a week. I then pour the top > 80% > of each cubie into a barrel and consolidate the bottoms of 5 cubies into > 1. > Most of this will be ready for the barrel the next week. I have 4 WVO > barrels. One is settled and is used for processing, two are settling, and > one is being filled. I pump WVO out of the settled barrel from the top > 3/4. > This oil is very clear and requires very little drying. > Tom > - Original Message - > From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:00 AM > Subject: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... > > >> Hi Jesse and all >> >>>Mike >>>Yup, I too want to know this, please? We are still fumbling toward our >>>co-op. Naturally, I should just look at Keith's archives and SEE IT >>>ALL!!! >>>Jesse >> >> I'm not sure what all is in the archives, maybe not any definitive >> answers. There's nothing about filtering at JtF. I've been sort of >> sporadically working on a section covering filtering, as well as >> collection and so on, for SVO as well as biodiesel, and I'd like to >> finish it and get it uploaded. >> >> So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about >> filtering, and not filtering. >> >> Best >> >> Keith >> >> > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I should point out (duh) thay my filter setup was for when I was getting crappier oil. Now that I found a top quality source I settle and draw from the top. I've also noticed that most of the sediment seems to land in the glycerine later. I still filter the final BD, though. -Mike Thomas Kelly wrote: >Keith, >You wrote: >"So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about filtering, and >not filtering." > > I filtered my WVO when I was doing small - 1L, 5L, 15L batches - but >found it to be too time and energy-consuming when I began to run larger >(91L) batches. > Before upscaling my process, I had already set up sources for WVO, and >was getting far more WVO than I was processing. Cubies of WVO were filling >up my shed. >I got a few 55 gal drums to store the oil in and found that after settling >in the cubies for a few weeks, the oil was very clear. I now rely on >gravity/settling and do not filter my WVO. > I allow the WVO to settle in cubies for a week. I then pour the top 80% >of each cubie into a barrel and consolidate the bottoms of 5 cubies into 1. >Most of this will be ready for the barrel the next week. I have 4 WVO >barrels. One is settled and is used for processing, two are settling, and >one is being filled. I pump WVO out of the settled barrel from the top 3/4. >This oil is very clear and requires very little drying. > Tom >- Original Message - >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:00 AM >Subject: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... > > > > >>Hi Jesse and all >> >> >> >>>Mike >>>Yup, I too want to know this, please? We are still fumbling toward our >>>co-op. Naturally, I should just look at Keith's archives and SEE IT >>>ALL!!! >>>Jesse >>> >>> >>I'm not sure what all is in the archives, maybe not any definitive >>answers. There's nothing about filtering at JtF. I've been sort of >>sporadically working on a section covering filtering, as well as >>collection and so on, for SVO as well as biodiesel, and I'd like to >>finish it and get it uploaded. >> >>So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about >>filtering, and not filtering. >> >>Best >> >>Keith >> >> >> >> > > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources...
Keith, For me, the key to trusting gravity/settling rather than filtering WVO was: getting swamped w. WVO when I first started production, and reading in one of your posts that you don't filter; you rely on gravity. I'm going to try to answer your questions from easiest to not-so-easy: You asked: 1. "Do you filter your biodiesel before use?" No. 2. "What exactly is a cubie?" A cubie is the 4.5 gal (17.7L) plastic container that veg. oil is delivered to restaurants in. It's almost like a unit of measure: "Man, I got 2 cubies of real good oil from Taro's this week". 3."What's the average titration of your WVO, Tom?" I hope this doesn't cast doubt on the effectiveness of gravity/settling, but my oil, mixed, averages about 1.5g lye/L. When I started using the gravity/settling method, my oil titrated closer to 3.0g lye/L. It worked. I recently helped someone get off the ground making BD. He's a tinkerer, and came up with an elaborate filtering/dewatering system. I repeatedly suggested that he trust gravity. He was away for about 10 days and when he came back he called to tell me that he couldn't distinguish the oil from the top half of an unfiltered cubie from his filtered oil. Getting rid of his filtering setup has make room for a settling tank. You wrote: "WVO isn't the only thing we have too much of. It's a bit like growing food, the problem is surplus. Do you make more biodiesel than you require as well, and if so what do you do with it?" Sounds like an easy question to answer. Not so. Walk through my garden pick it, eat it, no need to wash. I haven't a doubt about the quality of anything in the garden. One of my greatest joys is to find empty pea pods & chewed off carrot tops littering the path. Especially when kids have been in the garden. We give away more than we eat ourselves. I'm new to biodiesel. I've only recently become confident that my car ... an old Mercedes likes it. I burned BD30 this past winter to heat my old house. In the back of my mind was the concern that the pump seal would fail and fuel would leak, or that the whole system would just roll over and die. It's been a year of experimentation and coming to trust my fuel. In the back of my mind was the thought that if this works, I can make more than I need and help out a family having a tough time or elderly folks who have worked hard all their lives but now have to choose between heat and food. My plan initially was to collect only as much WVO as I could use (20 - 25 gal = 75 -100L/week). I wanted my sources to know that I was reliable ... would be there each week. I was the only person in this rural community collecting WVO. There were untapped sources . potential for expansion. Less than a year later there are now 5 of us collecting oil from the two towns in the area. Now that I have confidence in my ability to make quality fuel, there is barely enough WVO to go around. I'm having a tough time keeping up with my oil burner ... now running on BD100 and the cold weather has passed. Tom - Original Message ----- From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... > Thankyou Tom. > >>Keith, >>You wrote: >>"So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about filtering, >>and >>not filtering." >> >> I filtered my WVO when I was doing small - 1L, 5L, 15L batches - but >>found it to be too time and energy-consuming when I began to run larger >>(91L) batches. >> Before upscaling my process, I had already set up sources for WVO, >> and >>was getting far more WVO than I was processing. > > I think if you want to have enough you have to arrange for too much. > WVO isn't the only thing we have too much of. It's a bit like growing > food, the problem is surplus. Do you make more biodiesel than you > require as well, and if so what do you do with it? > >>Cubies of WVO were filling >>up my shed. > > Ah, another question - what exactly is a cubie? I don't think I've > ever seen one. Sometimes we pump the WVO out of drums into 18-litre > carboys but mostly we get it in the 18-litre metal cans it comes in. > >>I got a few 55 gal drums to store the oil in and found that after settling >>in the cubies for a few weeks, the oil was very clear. I now rely on >>gravity/settling and do not filter my WVO. >> I allow the WVO to settle in cubies for a week. I then pour the t
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eople do. It's not as if it costs you anything, or not much, as you say it's a joy, also it's damn' useful if you live in a barter system, and if you tried to be all efficient and grew only as much as you needed I'd bet you wouldn't always have enough. Enough is too much! > I'm new to biodiesel. I've only recently become confident that my car >... an old Mercedes likes it. I burned BD30 this past winter to heat my >old house. In the back of my mind was the concern that the pump seal would >fail and fuel would leak, or that the whole system would just roll over and >die. It's been a year of experimentation and coming to trust my fuel. In the >back of my mind was the thought that if this works, I can make more than I >need and help out a family having a tough time or elderly folks who have >worked hard all their lives but now have to choose between heat and food. I was thinking along similar lines when I asked. > My plan initially was to collect only as much WVO as I could use (20 - >25 gal = 75 -100L/week). I wanted my sources to know that I was reliable >... would be there each week. Very important. We only have one arrangement like that at the moment, longstanding and solid, nice folks, high-quality oil, but sometimes it's a bit less than we need. At other places we can take as much as we like whenever we want it, we're welcome and it won't put anyone out. If we'd used it for heating oil as well this last winter we'd have run out, but there are other sources we'd have used then. (We'd planned to use heating oil but didn't, another story.) As it is about two months ago I found myself with 800 litres more oil than we have room for. I turned it into biodiesel and supplied other people, moved it all in two weeks. This is why we need more settling drums, it's not as well-organised as you are. >I was the only person in this rural community >collecting WVO. There were untapped sources . potential for expansion. >Less than a year later there are now 5 of us collecting oil from the two >towns in the area. Now that I have confidence in my ability to make quality >fuel, there is barely enough WVO to go around. I'm having a tough time >keeping up with my oil burner ... now running on BD100 and the cold >weather has passed. I get the impression the long-predicted pressure on WVO sources is there now and growing fast, especially in the last six months or so. This seems to be pretty general. But there is a lot of the stuff, that there still don't seem to be anything but vague estimates of how much is actually there and what happens to it indicates there might still be quite a long way to go. Have you tried other than restaurants and fast-food joints? Schools, works canteens, small food processors and so on. Jim's talking of flush oil. Thanks again. Best Keith >Tom > >- Original Message - >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:51 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... > > > > Thankyou Tom. > > > >>Keith, > >>You wrote: > >>"So I'm also interested in what folks might have to say about filtering, > >>and > >>not filtering." > >> > >> I filtered my WVO when I was doing small - 1L, 5L, 15L batches - but > >>found it to be too time and energy-consuming when I began to run larger > >>(91L) batches. > >> Before upscaling my process, I had already set up sources for WVO, > >> and > >>was getting far more WVO than I was processing. > > > > I think if you want to have enough you have to arrange for too much. > > WVO isn't the only thing we have too much of. It's a bit like growing > > food, the problem is surplus. Do you make more biodiesel than you > > require as well, and if so what do you do with it? > > > >>Cubies of WVO were filling > >>up my shed. > > > > Ah, another question - what exactly is a cubie? I don't think I've > > ever seen one. Sometimes we pump the WVO out of drums into 18-litre > > carboys but mostly we get it in the 18-litre metal cans it comes in. > > > >>I got a few 55 gal drums to store the oil in and found that after settling > >>in the cubies for a few weeks, the oil was very clear. I now rely on > >>gravity/settling and do not filter my WVO. > >> I allow the WVO to settle in cubies for a week. I then pour the top > >> 80% > >>of each cubie into a barrel and consolidate the bottoms of 5 cubies into > >>1. > >>Most of this will be re
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Hi Keith, Tom, Thanks again for this useful information. But please, on the Super Easy Titration Chart: what "lye water"? Lye mixed with water, okay sure, but no, wait, how much water? I'm very confused. Jesse > This US chart, a "Super Easy Titration Table" for making biodiesel, > classifies less than 1.5 ml as Great Oil, 1.5 to 2.5 as Good Oil, 2.5 > to 3.5 as Marginal Oil and 3.5 to 4.5 as Poor Oil. > http://www.diyfuel.com/TitrationTable.htm > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hi Jesse >Hi Keith, Tom, >Thanks again for this useful information. But please, on the Super Easy >Titration Chart: what "lye water"? Lye mixed with water, okay sure, but >no, wait, how much water? I'm very confused. >Jesse It means millilitres of 0.1% NaOH solution, which is what's used in titration to find out how much lye (NaOH) is needed to neutralise the extra Free Fatty Acids (FFA) in the oil. The longer and hotter the oil is cooked the more FFA it contains. More about lye How much lye to use? Basic titration Better titration http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye Best Keith > > This US chart, a "Super Easy Titration Table" for making biodiesel, > > classifies less than 1.5 ml as Great Oil, 1.5 to 2.5 as Good Oil, 2.5 > > to 3.5 as Marginal Oil and 3.5 to 4.5 as Poor Oil. > > http://www.diyfuel.com/TitrationTable.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Thanks Keith. There's the smallest chance we will achieve our goal! Okay, an enormous chance, thanks to the information we have here in the archives and due to your good will. We're attending Joe's workshop in June and will forthwith be ridiculously irritating on-list, I'm sure. Cheers, Jesse > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:56:44 +0900 > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... > > Hi Jesse > >> Hi Keith, Tom, >> Thanks again for this useful information. But please, on the Super Easy >> Titration Chart: what "lye water"? Lye mixed with water, okay sure, but >> no, wait, how much water? I'm very confused. >> Jesse > > It means millilitres of 0.1% NaOH solution, which is what's used in > titration to find out how much lye (NaOH) is needed to neutralise the > extra Free Fatty Acids (FFA) in the oil. The longer and hotter the > oil is cooked the more FFA it contains. > > More about lye > How much lye to use? > Basic titration > Better titration > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye > > Best > > Keith > > >>> This US chart, a "Super Easy Titration Table" for making biodiesel, >>> classifies less than 1.5 ml as Great Oil, 1.5 to 2.5 as Good Oil, 2.5 >>> to 3.5 as Marginal Oil and 3.5 to 4.5 as Poor Oil. >>> http://www.diyfuel.com/TitrationTable.htm > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Mark, Keith is pulling your leg. "Lie water" is what George W. drinks for breakfast every morning. mark manchester wrote: >Thanks Keith. There's the smallest chance we will achieve our goal! Okay, >an enormous chance, thanks to the information we have here in the archives >and due to your good will. We're attending Joe's workshop in June and will >forthwith be ridiculously irritating on-list, I'm sure. Cheers, Jesse > > > > >>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:56:44 +0900 >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... >> >>Hi Jesse >> >> >> >>>Hi Keith, Tom, >>>Thanks again for this useful information. But please, on the Super Easy >>>Titration Chart: what "lye water"? Lye mixed with water, okay sure, but >>>no, wait, how much water? I'm very confused. >>>Jesse >>> >>> >>It means millilitres of 0.1% NaOH solution, which is what's used in >>titration to find out how much lye (NaOH) is needed to neutralise the >>extra Free Fatty Acids (FFA) in the oil. The longer and hotter the >>oil is cooked the more FFA it contains. >> >>More about lye >>How much lye to use? >>Basic titration >>Better titration >>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye >> >>Best >> >>Keith >> >> >> >> >>>>This US chart, a "Super Easy Titration Table" for making biodiesel, >>>>classifies less than 1.5 ml as Great Oil, 1.5 to 2.5 as Good Oil, 2.5 >>>>to 3.5 as Marginal Oil and 3.5 to 4.5 as Poor Oil. >>>>http://www.diyfuel.com/TitrationTable.htm >>>> >>>> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> > > >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources...
Yipers, so THAT's why 'Commander-In-Chief"was cancelled. -J > From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:34:44 -0400 > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... > > Mark, > > Keith is pulling your leg. "Lie water" is what George W. drinks for > breakfast every morning. > > > mark manchester wrote: > >> Thanks Keith. There's the smallest chance we will achieve our goal! Okay, >> an enormous chance, thanks to the information we have here in the archives >> and due to your good will. We're attending Joe's workshop in June and will >> forthwith be ridiculously irritating on-list, I'm sure. Cheers, Jesse >> >> >> >> >>> From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:56:44 +0900 >>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Filtering - was Re: Vegtable oil sources... >>> >>> Hi Jesse >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Keith, Tom, >>>> Thanks again for this useful information. But please, on the Super Easy >>>> Titration Chart: what "lye water"? Lye mixed with water, okay sure, but >>>> no, wait, how much water? I'm very confused. >>>> Jesse >>>> >>>> >>> It means millilitres of 0.1% NaOH solution, which is what's used in >>> titration to find out how much lye (NaOH) is needed to neutralise the >>> extra Free Fatty Acids (FFA) in the oil. The longer and hotter the >>> oil is cooked the more FFA it contains. >>> >>> More about lye >>> How much lye to use? >>> Basic titration >>> Better titration >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Keith >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> This US chart, a "Super Easy Titration Table" for making biodiesel, >>>>> classifies less than 1.5 ml as Great Oil, 1.5 to 2.5 as Good Oil, 2.5 >>>>> to 3.5 as Marginal Oil and 3.5 to 4.5 as Poor Oil. >>>>> http://www.diyfuel.com/TitrationTable.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>> ___ >>> Biofuel mailing list >>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>> messages): >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
