Re: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project
Greeting to Tom there is one intersting method you can use for dehydrating comercial ethanol using extraction with castor oil. Now adys importing from Brasil is made much simpler than before There si information available about this process here in this list archives. We can help to deign the project as combined oil is found to give better performance for BioD. What I mean is you can first extract pure etanol using caster oil and tehen use this for tranesterification process./ May be Keith may know some one have tried this process. Since our small research group work on novel procee design ,we would like to to have colaborative work in this important field. Since you are nearby country and also Mercsul countries , we can really have BIGBROTHER type colaboration. Thanking you Pannir Selvam Brasil On 4/17/05, Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings Sr. Pannir, > > I'm desperately trying to find a way to use ethanol in my biodiesel process. > My difficulty is on several levels. I live in Uruguay which doesn't produce > ethanol or at least I haven't found local manufacturers. So I would have to > start my own plant or import from your country. Importing is a rather > laborous process for the small business person here even with our Mercosur > connection. There are generally high duties to be paid on imported > materials. I figure I can produce 95% ethanol with cheap crop stubble but > getting that last 5% water out is the devil in my processing scheme. I've > never had any success whatsoever making BioD with 95% ethanol. I know I > shouldn't have bothered but I just had to try a few times. Thick skulls run > in my family. > > Even with pure ethanol the overdose needed to drive the reaction to the > product side seems to cause the Glycerine/excess ethanol mixture to become > so much less dense it does not settle out. I can evaporate the entire > mixture and then get the glycerine to settle out but that's an added process > step. How do you folks up north do it both from the small scale ethanol > production standpoint and the biodiesel using ethanol production standpoint? > > One last question, do you have any information on that wonderful oil palm > that grows so well in your warmer regions. I was thinking of trying to plant > it here to see if it would grow in our somewhat cooler climate. > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom Irwin > > > -Original Message- > From: Pannir P.V > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 4/17/05 1:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project > > Hello MH > > Thank you bringing here the Brazilian biofuel project and also the > the developing world experience together here. > > One of the the main problem of biofuel ethanol project are the > conflict of food vs fuel; the next is the big scale and small scale > production , the third is environmental problems and the finally > appropriate technology for sustainable developments. > > The feed production for cattle has been increased significantly > from 10 cattle(1980) to several thousand cattle's using sugar cane > bagasse as cattle growing using the waste land is yet major economic > activity in Brazil , eventhoug not ecologically unsustainable.The big > macro distillery built even though are not a good model but is > selling the small agricultural farmer the steam treated > (autohydrolysis) and yeast as animal feed making the food . > As well as by crop rotation, the reuse of the vinhasse as the > organic fertilizer , the Brazilian biofuel has ben able to > successfully solve the food versus fuel problems.All the state > government which has supported the bioethanol has more dynamic > economic developments to solve the food problems than the states > that have only food crop production as the globalised complicated > markets leading some times the total collapse of the internal > production of food. > > There are well mixed micro , mini and macro distillery has been > build up. Now days small micro distillery are made possible making > use of the byproducts even though it is not economically viable the > Small one compete Thea larger one. > >Brazilian biofuel had very good progress as pointed out by > David here to take care of environmental problems , not to burn > the leafs , not degrade wastes and effluent's .Thus with good > learning curve Brasil has sucessfuly adopted the high level as well > as small scale production of bioethanol. > > The last , not the least , the appropriate technology development > for environmental benefits has been always taken into
RE: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project
Hello Tom. If you are looking for a test amount of ethanol in a place like Uruguay without absolute ethanol producing mill, I would recomend try to find a chemical laboratory reagen suppliers or chemical representatives of Aldrich, Mallinckrodt, Merck, Quimibras Ind. Quimicas, Riedel-De-Haen, Sigma, etc. Ask for absolute ethanol (100%) pure analitical grade but not the chromatography grade (too expensive). Best Regards Juan Paraguay -Mensaje original- De: Tom Irwin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Domingo 17 de Abril de 2005 1:43 PM Para: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Asunto: RE: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project Greetings Sr. Pannir, I'm desperately trying to find a way to use ethanol in my biodiesel process. My difficulty is on several levels. I live in Uruguay which doesn't produce ethanol or at least I haven't found local manufacturers. So I would have to start my own plant or import from your country. Importing is a rather laborous process for the small business person here even with our Mercosur connection. There are generally high duties to be paid on imported materials. I figure I can produce 95% ethanol with cheap crop stubble but getting that last 5% water out is the devil in my processing scheme. I've never had any success whatsoever making BioD with 95% ethanol. I know I shouldn't have bothered but I just had to try a few times. Thick skulls run in my family. Even with pure ethanol the overdose needed to drive the reaction to the product side seems to cause the Glycerine/excess ethanol mixture to become so much less dense it does not settle out. I can evaporate the entire mixture and then get the glycerine to settle out but that's an added process step. How do you folks up north do it both from the small scale ethanol production standpoint and the biodiesel using ethanol production standpoint? One last question, do you have any information on that wonderful oil palm that grows so well in your warmer regions. I was thinking of trying to plant it here to see if it would grow in our somewhat cooler climate. Thanks in advance, Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Pannir P.V To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/17/05 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project Hello MH Thank you bringing here the Brazilian biofuel project and also the the developing world experience together here. One of the the main problem of biofuel ethanol project are the conflict of food vs fuel; the next is the big scale and small scale production , the third is environmental problems and the finally appropriate technology for sustainable developments. The feed production for cattle has been increased significantly from 10 cattle(1980) to several thousand cattle's using sugar cane bagasse as cattle growing using the waste land is yet major economic activity in Brazil , eventhoug not ecologically unsustainable.The big macro distillery built even though are not a good model but is selling the small agricultural farmer the steam treated (autohydrolysis) and yeast as animal feed making the food . As well as by crop rotation, the reuse of the vinhasse as the organic fertilizer , the Brazilian biofuel has ben able to successfully solve the food versus fuel problems.All the state government which has supported the bioethanol has more dynamic economic developments to solve the food problems than the states that have only food crop production as the globalised complicated markets leading some times the total collapse of the internal production of food. There are well mixed micro , mini and macro distillery has been build up. Now days small micro distillery are made possible making use of the byproducts even though it is not economically viable the Small one compete Thea larger one. Brazilian biofuel had very good progress as pointed out by David here to take care of environmental problems , not to burn the leafs , not degrade wastes and effluent's .Thus with good learning curve Brasil has sucessfuly adopted the high level as well as small scale production of bioethanol. The last , not the least , the appropriate technology development for environmental benefits has been always taken into account . Thus Brazilian technology are more Brasilian made than imported .thus this model is not only the the biggest biomass fuel programme of the world producing more than 1 billion liter of alcohol. is really the one of the best model too for other follow . The new Brasilian Bio D is expected to be very big too where the poor .landless , small farmer and all are expecting Brasil help the world the energy crysis by large scale export and correctly pointed by The Brasilian president Lula de Silva that we , Brasilian can make to stop the war in the world by the the Bio D programm
RE: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project
Greetings Sr. Pannir, I'm desperately trying to find a way to use ethanol in my biodiesel process. My difficulty is on several levels. I live in Uruguay which doesn't produce ethanol or at least I haven't found local manufacturers. So I would have to start my own plant or import from your country. Importing is a rather laborous process for the small business person here even with our Mercosur connection. There are generally high duties to be paid on imported materials. I figure I can produce 95% ethanol with cheap crop stubble but getting that last 5% water out is the devil in my processing scheme. I've never had any success whatsoever making BioD with 95% ethanol. I know I shouldn't have bothered but I just had to try a few times. Thick skulls run in my family. Even with pure ethanol the overdose needed to drive the reaction to the product side seems to cause the Glycerine/excess ethanol mixture to become so much less dense it does not settle out. I can evaporate the entire mixture and then get the glycerine to settle out but that's an added process step. How do you folks up north do it both from the small scale ethanol production standpoint and the biodiesel using ethanol production standpoint? One last question, do you have any information on that wonderful oil palm that grows so well in your warmer regions. I was thinking of trying to plant it here to see if it would grow in our somewhat cooler climate. Thanks in advance, Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Pannir P.V To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/17/05 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project Hello MH Thank you bringing here the Brazilian biofuel project and also the the developing world experience together here. One of the the main problem of biofuel ethanol project are the conflict of food vs fuel; the next is the big scale and small scale production , the third is environmental problems and the finally appropriate technology for sustainable developments. The feed production for cattle has been increased significantly from 10 cattle(1980) to several thousand cattle's using sugar cane bagasse as cattle growing using the waste land is yet major economic activity in Brazil , eventhoug not ecologically unsustainable.The big macro distillery built even though are not a good model but is selling the small agricultural farmer the steam treated (autohydrolysis) and yeast as animal feed making the food . As well as by crop rotation, the reuse of the vinhasse as the organic fertilizer , the Brazilian biofuel has ben able to successfully solve the food versus fuel problems.All the state government which has supported the bioethanol has more dynamic economic developments to solve the food problems than the states that have only food crop production as the globalised complicated markets leading some times the total collapse of the internal production of food. There are well mixed micro , mini and macro distillery has been build up. Now days small micro distillery are made possible making use of the byproducts even though it is not economically viable the Small one compete Thea larger one. Brazilian biofuel had very good progress as pointed out by David here to take care of environmental problems , not to burn the leafs , not degrade wastes and effluent's .Thus with good learning curve Brasil has sucessfuly adopted the high level as well as small scale production of bioethanol. The last , not the least , the appropriate technology development for environmental benefits has been always taken into account . Thus Brazilian technology are more Brasilian made than imported .thus this model is not only the the biggest biomass fuel programme of the world producing more than 1 billion liter of alcohol. is really the one of the best model too for other follow . The new Brasilian Bio D is expected to be very big too where the poor .landless , small farmer and all are expecting Brasil help the world the energy crysis by large scale export and correctly pointed by The Brasilian president Lula de Silva that we , Brasilian can make to stop the war in the world by the the Bio D programme as the country is blessed with the best land and water needed. Why export soyabeans for other make Bio D , better Brasilian do the same , stop the world war . Surely North America can also do as the south. Thus Americas future depend on the biofuel , alone are united there is a great green future for biofuel. Pease fell free to contact us the brasilian , as we all have the wise to share our rich exeperiences , not to repeat the several misatakes already done by our goverment , big industrial people and the big petroleium companies to put afuul stop to end the bioethanol programme.But yet it is most alive , but lession
Re: [Biofuel] Future of Ethanol and Brazilian biofuel project
Hello MH Thank you bringing here the Brazilian biofuel project and also the the developing world experience together here. One of the the main problem of biofuel ethanol project are the conflict of food vs fuel; the next is the big scale and small scale production , the third is environmental problems and the finally appropriate technology for sustainable developments. The feed production for cattle has been increased significantly from 10 cattle(1980) to several thousand cattle's using sugar cane bagasse as cattle growing using the waste land is yet major economic activity in Brazil , eventhoug not ecologically unsustainable.The big macro distillery built even though are not a good model but is selling the small agricultural farmer the steam treated (autohydrolysis) and yeast as animal feed making the food . As well as by crop rotation, the reuse of the vinhasse as the organic fertilizer , the Brazilian biofuel has ben able to successfully solve the food versus fuel problems.All the state government which has supported the bioethanol has more dynamic economic developments to solve the food problems than the states that have only food crop production as the globalised complicated markets leading some times the total collapse of the internal production of food. There are well mixed micro , mini and macro distillery has been build up. Now days small micro distillery are made possible making use of the byproducts even though it is not economically viable the Small one compete Thea larger one. Brazilian biofuel had very good progress as pointed out by David here to take care of environmental problems , not to burn the leafs , not degrade wastes and effluent's .Thus with good learning curve Brasil has sucessfuly adopted the high level as well as small scale production of bioethanol. The last , not the least , the appropriate technology development for environmental benefits has been always taken into account . Thus Brazilian technology are more Brasilian made than imported .thus this model is not only the the biggest biomass fuel programme of the world producing more than 1 billion liter of alcohol. is really the one of the best model too for other follow . The new Brasilian Bio D is expected to be very big too where the poor .landless , small farmer and all are expecting Brasil help the world the energy crysis by large scale export and correctly pointed by The Brasilian president Lula de Silva that we , Brasilian can make to stop the war in the world by the the Bio D programme as the country is blessed with the best land and water needed. Why export soyabeans for other make Bio D , better Brasilian do the same , stop the world war . Surely North America can also do as the south. Thus Americas future depend on the biofuel , alone are united there is a great green future for biofuel. Pease fell free to contact us the brasilian , as we all have the wise to share our rich exeperiences , not to repeat the several misatakes already done by our goverment , big industrial people and the big petroleium companies to put afuul stop to end the bioethanol programme.But yet it is most alive , but lession learned are many. Thanking all yours truely sd Pannir selvam Brasil. On 4/17/05, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Morris is vice president of > the Minneapolis-based > Institute for Local Self-Reliance. > > THE FUTURE OF ETHANOL > David Morris > April 16, 2005 > http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5351029.html > > Want to see the potential of biofuels? > Visit Brazil, as I did a few weeks ago. > > In Brazil, by law, all gasoline contains a minimum of > 25 percent alcohol. Yet ethanol is so popular it > actually accounts for 40 percent of all vehicle fuel. > > By 2007, 100 percent of all new Brazilian cars may be able to > run on 100 percent ethanol. Brazilian sugar-cane-fed biorefineries > will be capable of producing sufficient ethanol to allow the > entire fleet, new and old cars alike, to do so. > > In Brazil, ethanol is now being used in aviation. Small planes, > like crop dusters, are switching to ethanol because it is a > superior fuel and is more widely available, even in remote parts > of the country, than conventional aviation fuel. > > Its stunning success with ethanol has encouraged Brazil to > begin displacing diesel fuel with vegetable oils from its > vast soybean crop. Within 15 years it expects to substitute > biodiesel for 20 percent of its conventional diesel. > > One more detail. Back in the mid 1990s, Brazil ended its > ethanol subsidies. Nevertheless, with world oil prices > hovering around $55 a barrel, the price of ethanol today > is only half that of gasoline. Since its inception, > Brazil's ethanol program has displaced imported oil > worth $120 billion. This is co
