Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Dawie Coetzee]

The threat to finish Eastern Boulevard crops up from time to time. One of the 
guys I work for is involved with a group that stopped that the last time. Can't 
get them to demolish the incomplete ends of the flyover, though - nor the 
viaduct over the foreshore: you know, under which the Modulor Men have picnics 
in architectural renderings.

I don't know if you've heard of the Gallows Hill debacle. A big developer 
bought a block of mainly industrial buildings in Green Point, near my office, 
hoping to knock them down and build a block of luxury apartments in their 
place. In the course of demolitions and excavations, unmarked graves were 
discovered. The city called archaeologists in, the developer sat and fumed for 
a year, the skeletons were dated to the late 17th century, believed to be those 
of executed criminals, runaway slaves, and the extremely poor. So, in keeping 
with our new-found decency, an ossuary is now being built opposite St Andrews 
in Buitengracht to their memory. In the course of that exercise, part of the 
old Somerset Road tram-line was exposed. I walk past there every day, and it 
almost looks like the rails are going to be incorporated as part of the museum. 
I'd rather have them incorporated as part of a tram-line.

But the ossuary site is right plumb spang in the middle of the strip of land 
that was cleared for the motorway link over Kloofnek to Camps Bay: another nail 
in that coffin, and about time. -D


- Original Message 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, 24 May, 2007 6:48:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest 
Level - Adjusted For Inflation


Do they still think Solly Morris was such a great guy for building 
all those motorways in the 60s?

Keith

I think we need to rethink not so much the car as our pattern of 
transport needs and facilities. Granted, it isn't something that one 
person can implement unless they've got some practical authority: 
but if we live in places that claim to be democratic, the people who 
have got some practical authority are susceptible to public 
pressure, at least in theory. It doesn't preclude rethinking the 
car, but it's another important process. And it's no use putting it 
off because I can't build a city on my own. If the process doesn't 
begin somewhere it just won't begin at all.

So, one of these days I'm going to have a battle on my hands to get 
the City of Cape Town to allow me to build a house suitable for a 
pedestrian way of living (or at least if a few of my neighbours see 
the point and do the same) in a neighbourhood and a city designed to 
be barely accessible except by car. It's another way.

But greasy-fingered EVs are cool.

-D

- Original Message 
From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 5:36:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time 
Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

Ah, yes.  Wildman Rod rides again!  The Ford coupe is a beauty, if a tad
impractical for most applications.

I think we need to rethink the car before we try to open source it.  My
idea for a plug-in electric hybrid (biodiesel) has been picked up by
someone else with more resources and I hope to see the initial results
on Saturday.  Rumour has it a book will also come from the exercise (not
by me).  

However, we do need to revisit what we really need from a car today,
because I don't think the Ford Excursion fits the bill.  How about
quadricycles that can travel at urban speeds (up to 50 km/h), utilizing
a combination of human and electric power?  Or the Twike?  Lot's of
other light-weighting options.  Less resources to construct and operate,
no toxic emissions in operation (well almost; there will be some CO2
GHGs from the breathing of the operators).

By comparison, the Smart is a fuel-guzzling pig boasting excessive
performance.

I have my vintage motorcycle operational again, thanks to my son's
efforts.  A 1973 Aurenthetic Charger.
(http://www.econogics.com/ev/auranthe.htmhttp://www.econogics.com/e 
v/auranthe.htm)
Factory original electric mini-motorcycle.  Gets almost 50 km to the
kWh.  

Much better than the road-racer 1973 electric Porsche 914 that pigs out
at 5 km to the kWh.  (If I did the math right, that's about 185 mpg, so
the motorcycle is getting well over 1500 mpg.  According to this article
in Grist 
http://evco.ca/electrathon/index.htmlhttp://evco.ca/electrathon/ind 
ex.html, walking gets about 75
mpg equivalent.  An electric-assist bicycle would get about 3000 mpg
equivalent.)  Tilled the garden on the weekend with an electric tractor.
Just bought a small, cordless electric rototiller for my mother - she
loves it.

Gasoline is only expensive if you use it.  Go electric and green your
electricity.  Buy locally.  We know the answers, the rest is
rationalizations and convenience.  Yes, it does take some effort to put

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Keith Addison]

So there are those who still think Morris was a great guy. I guess 
that's no big surprise.

It's been a long time, I'm having to strain a bit to remember some of 
the places you mention, but yes, I know them all.

The threat to finish Eastern Boulevard crops up from time to time. 
One of the guys I work for is involved with a group that stopped 
that the last time. Can't get them to demolish the incomplete ends 
of the flyover, though - nor the viaduct over the foreshore: you 
know, under which the Modulor Men have picnics in architectural 
renderings.

Modulor Men? Used to be derelicts drinking meths, the same?

I don't know if you've heard of the Gallows Hill debacle.

No.

A big developer bought a block of mainly industrial buildings in 
Green Point, near my office, hoping to knock them down and build a 
block of luxury apartments in their place.

They still have two housing shortages, eh? One for the rich and one 
for the poor.

In the course of demolitions and excavations, unmarked graves were 
discovered. The city called archaeologists in, the developer sat and 
fumed for a year, the skeletons were dated to the late 17th century, 
believed to be those of executed criminals, runaway slaves, and the 
extremely poor. So, in keeping with our new-found decency, an 
ossuary is now being built opposite St Andrews in Buitengracht to 
their memory. In the course of that exercise, part of the old 
Somerset Road tram-line was exposed.

That is old!

And the developer's development? And are developer fumes carbon 
neutral? I think they probably are, LOL!

Actually I liked the Gallows Hill area just the way it was, but I 
suppose there's a case for developing it. With some imagination it 
could be quite a place, as a community project, including 
residential. If I remember it correctly. Get people involved, not 
only architects and accountants. Nobody asked the locals, eh? Except 
the dead ones.

The decency may not be altogether newfound, I think the Muslim 
community may have made the Cape Town authorities a bit more 
sensitive in such cases than others might be.

I walk past there every day, and it almost looks like the rails are 
going to be incorporated as part of the museum. I'd rather have them 
incorporated as part of a tram-line.

Indeed! Maybe they shouldn't have dumped the electric buses either, 
that plied between Sea Point and Wynberg (or was it only to Salt 
River?). They were more effective than the buses.

But the ossuary site is right plumb spang in the middle of the strip 
of land that was cleared for the motorway link over Kloofnek to 
Camps Bay: another nail in that coffin,

So to speak, LOL!

and about time. -D

It's the first I hear of it, but I'll second that, what a dumb idea.

I don't know how it works in Cape Town now, but one of the problems 
with this sort of crap is often that stopping the road-building 
machine would mean destroying the territory of a whole bunch of 
bureaucrats and thwarting their schemes for empire, other realities 
don't figure much and the mandarins tend to get their (motor)way.

If they insist, which they do, I don't see why they couldn't get the 
same benefits (?) and more via real community-based projects that had 
some real value. Hope springs eternal huh?

Voorwaarts Dawie, beste

Keith


- Original Message 
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, 24 May, 2007 6:48:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time 
Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

Do they still think Solly Morris was such a great guy for building
all those motorways in the 60s?

Keith

 I think we need to rethink not so much the car as our pattern of
 transport needs and facilities. Granted, it isn't something that one
 person can implement unless they've got some practical authority:
 but if we live in places that claim to be democratic, the people who
 have got some practical authority are susceptible to public
 pressure, at least in theory. It doesn't preclude rethinking the
 car, but it's another important process. And it's no use putting it
 off because I can't build a city on my own. If the process doesn't
 begin somewhere it just won't begin at all.
 
 So, one of these days I'm going to have a battle on my hands to get
 the City of Cape Town to allow me to build a house suitable for a
 pedestrian way of living (or at least if a few of my neighbours see
 the point and do the same) in a neighbourhood and a city designed to
 be barely accessible except by car. It's another way.
 
 But greasy-fingered EVs are cool.
 
 -D

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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Dawie Coetzee]

I think we need to rethink not so much the car as our pattern of transport 
needs and facilities. Granted, it isn't something that one person can implement 
unless they've got some practical authority: but if we live in places that 
claim to be democratic, the people who have got some practical authority are 
susceptible to public pressure, at least in theory. It doesn't preclude 
rethinking the car, but it's another important process. And it's no use putting 
it off because I can't build a city on my own. If the process doesn't begin 
somewhere it just won't begin at all.

So, one of these days I'm going to have a battle on my hands to get the City of 
Cape Town to allow me to build a house suitable for a pedestrian way of living 
(or at least if a few of my neighbours see the point and do the same) in a 
neighbourhood and a city designed to be barely accessible except by car. It's 
another way.

But greasy-fingered EVs are cool.

-D


- Original Message 
From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 5:36:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest 
Level - Adjusted For Inflation


Ah, yes.  Wildman Rod rides again!  The Ford coupe is a beauty, if a tad
impractical for most applications.

I think we need to rethink the car before we try to open source it.  My
idea for a plug-in electric hybrid (biodiesel) has been picked up by
someone else with more resources and I hope to see the initial results
on Saturday.  Rumour has it a book will also come from the exercise (not
by me).  

However, we do need to revisit what we really need from a car today,
because I don't think the Ford Excursion fits the bill.  How about
quadricycles that can travel at urban speeds (up to 50 km/h), utilizing
a combination of human and electric power?  Or the Twike?  Lot's of
other light-weighting options.  Less resources to construct and operate,
no toxic emissions in operation (well almost; there will be some CO2
GHGs from the breathing of the operators).

By comparison, the Smart is a fuel-guzzling pig boasting excessive
performance.

I have my vintage motorcycle operational again, thanks to my son's
efforts.  A 1973 Aurenthetic Charger. 
(http://www.econogics.com/ev/auranthe.htm) 
Factory original electric mini-motorcycle.  Gets almost 50 km to the
kWh.  

Much better than the road-racer 1973 electric Porsche 914 that pigs out
at 5 km to the kWh.  (If I did the math right, that's about 185 mpg, so
the motorcycle is getting well over 1500 mpg.  According to this article
in Grist http://evco.ca/electrathon/index.html, walking gets about 75
mpg equivalent.  An electric-assist bicycle would get about 3000 mpg
equivalent.)  Tilled the garden on the weekend with an electric tractor.
Just bought a small, cordless electric rototiller for my mother - she
loves it.

Gasoline is only expensive if you use it.  Go electric and green your
electricity.  Buy locally.  We know the answers, the rest is
rationalizations and convenience.  Yes, it does take some effort to put
it all into practice, and I'm still on the path and far from the goal. 
My advice, make the shift to sustainable practices while fossil energy
is still cheap.

Darryl

Dawie Coetzee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Zeke, are you familiar with this one?
 http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/wilde/sterfo1.htm -D
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 4:42:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical
Highest
 Level - Adjusted For Inflation
 
 Wha??  I did have to replace the radio in my '91 VW because after
I
 replaced the battery, it went into security mode and wouldn't turn on
again. 
 And I refused to go to the dealership to have them fix that.  I
suppose I was
 supposed to take it there to get the battery replaced to begin with...

 
 This is why I am building my own electric cars.  One from a 1974
pickup, and
 one from a recumbent bicycle (if I lived on the flatland, the regular
bicycle
 itself would be fine but pedling up 4,000 feet in elevation gets
tiring at
 times and I'd like electric assist -- solar recharged, of course) 
 
 Z
 
 
 On 5/22/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe an open source car?
 The problem with new cars is that they can't be fixed.  I knew someone
 who got a new BMW 540 and it was replaced by insurance after the radio
was
 stolen.  Wiring and electronics too messed up to fix.  80k disposable
car! 
 
 
 
 Dawie Coetzee wrote:
 
  The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor
  industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive,
  disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach
as 
  much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if
it
  can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done
that
  exercise I've found that I'd

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Mike Weaver]

Maybe an open source car?
The problem with new cars is that they can't be fixed.  I knew someone 
who got a new BMW 540 and it was replaced by insurance after the radio was
stolen.  Wiring and electronics too messed up to fix.  80k disposable car!



Dawie Coetzee wrote:

 The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor 
 industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive, 
 disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach as 
 much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if it 
 can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done that 
 exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out every last vestige of 
 the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead!
  
 Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by 
 walking. -D

 - Original Message 
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical 
 Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

 Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW
 Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
 pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a
 VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
 tools.


 Keith Addison wrote:

 If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a 
 gallon soon.
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
 Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices
 
 Best
 
 Keith
 
 
   
 
 US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted
 For Inflation
 
 US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18
 
 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
 the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
 was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
 we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
 steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
 (Sunday) on PBS.
 
 CNN verifies it, today:
 http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/
 
 Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
 to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
 would get reached:
 http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006
 
 We got close in 2006
 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html
 
 We got closer, earlier this month:
 http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867
 
 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html
 
 This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
 now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
 standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp
 
 http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm 
 http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm
 
 This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
 verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
 some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
 http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm
 
 Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
 the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
 since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
 and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
 and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200
 7040402251.html
 
 http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres
 -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it
 weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil
 analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting
 firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and
 within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article
 was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from
 before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have
 climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive
 experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10,
 predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per
 gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already
 nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is
 another one: We expect to see prices flatten around where they are
 now, says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f
 ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More
 refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since
 then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in
 history. More: experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain
 at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s,
 adjusted for inflation. Since then the price has climbed about 18%,
 to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: On a national
 average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Zeke Yewdall]

Wha??  I did have to replace the radio in my '91 VW because after I
replaced the battery, it went into security mode and wouldn't turn on
again.  And I refused to go to the dealership to have them fix that.  I
suppose I was supposed to take it there to get the battery replaced to begin
with...

This is why I am building my own electric cars.  One from a 1974 pickup, and
one from a recumbent bicycle (if I lived on the flatland, the regular
bicycle itself would be fine but pedling up 4,000 feet in elevation gets
tiring at times and I'd like electric assist -- solar recharged, of course)

Z

On 5/22/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Maybe an open source car?
The problem with new cars is that they can't be fixed.  I knew someone
who got a new BMW 540 and it was replaced by insurance after the radio was
stolen.  Wiring and electronics too messed up to fix.  80k disposable car!



Dawie Coetzee wrote:

 The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor
 industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive,
 disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach as
 much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if it
 can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done that
 exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out every last vestige of
 the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead!

 Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by
 walking. -D

 - Original Message 
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical
 Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

 Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW
 Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
 pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a
 VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
 tools.


 Keith Addison wrote:

 If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a
 gallon soon.
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
 Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices
 
 Best
 
 Keith
 
 
 
 
 US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted
 For Inflation
 
 US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18
 
 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
 the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
 was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
 we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
 steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
 (Sunday) on PBS.
 
 CNN verifies it, today:
 http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/
 
 Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
 to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
 would get reached:
 http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006
 
 We got close in 2006
 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html
 
 We got closer, earlier this month:
 http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867
 
 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html
 
 This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
 now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
 standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp
 
 http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm
 http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm
 
 This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
 verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
 some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
 http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm
 
 Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
 the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
 since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
 and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
 and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200
 7040402251.html
 
 http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres
 -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it
 weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil
 analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting
 firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and
 within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article
 was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from
 before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have
 climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive
 experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10,
 predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per
 gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already
 nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is
 another one: We expect

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Dawie Coetzee]

Hey Zeke, are you familiar with this one? 
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/wilde/sterfo1.htm -D


- Original Message 
From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 4:42:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest 
Level - Adjusted For Inflation

Wha??  I did have to replace the radio in my '91 VW because after I 
replaced the battery, it went into security mode and wouldn't turn on again.  
And I refused to go to the dealership to have them fix that.  I suppose I was 
supposed to take it there to get the battery replaced to begin with... 

This is why I am building my own electric cars.  One from a 1974 pickup, and 
one from a recumbent bicycle (if I lived on the flatland, the regular bicycle 
itself would be fine but pedling up 4,000 feet in elevation gets tiring at 
times and I'd like electric assist -- solar recharged, of course) 

Z


On 5/22/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe an open source car?
The problem with new cars is that they can't be fixed.  I knew someone
who got a new BMW 540 and it was replaced by insurance after the radio was
stolen.  Wiring and electronics too messed up to fix.  80k disposable car! 



Dawie Coetzee wrote:

 The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor
 industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive,
 disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach as 
 much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if it
 can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done that
 exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out every last vestige of 
 the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead!

 Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by
 walking. -D

 - Original Message 
 From: Mike Weaver  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical 
 Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

 Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW
 Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
 pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a 
 VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
 tools.


 Keith Addison wrote:

 If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a 
 gallon soon.
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
 Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices 
 
 Best
 
 Keith
 
 
 
 
 US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted
 For Inflation 
 
 US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18
 
 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
 the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price 
 was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
 we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
 steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
 (Sunday) on PBS. 
 
 CNN verifies it, today:
 http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/
  
 Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
 to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
 would get reached:
  http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006
 
 We got close in 2006
 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html 
 
 We got closer, earlier this month:
 http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867
 
  http://zfacts.com/p/35.html
 
 This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
 now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their 
 standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp
 
  http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm
 http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm
 
 This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading 
 verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
 some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
  http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm
 
 Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
 the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However, 
 since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
 and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
 and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200
 7040402251.html
 
  http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres
 -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it 
 weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil
 analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting
 firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and 
 within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article
 was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from
 before that. Those prices

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Zeke Yewdall]

Hadn't seen that one.  I knew they had some previous electric race cars with
similar setups for the drivetrain -- a mazda somethingorother I think.  But
hadn't seen the hotrod.

On 5/23/07, Dawie Coetzee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hey Zeke, are you familiar with this one?
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/wilde/sterfo1.htm -D

- Original Message 
From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 4:42:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical
Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

Wha??  I did have to replace the radio in my '91 VW because after I
replaced the battery, it went into security mode and wouldn't turn on
again.  And I refused to go to the dealership to have them fix that.  I
suppose I was supposed to take it there to get the battery replaced to begin
with...

This is why I am building my own electric cars.  One from a 1974 pickup,
and one from a recumbent bicycle (if I lived on the flatland, the regular
bicycle itself would be fine but pedling up 4,000 feet in elevation gets
tiring at times and I'd like electric assist -- solar recharged, of course)

Z

On 5/22/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maybe an open source car?
 The problem with new cars is that they can't be fixed.  I knew someone
 who got a new BMW 540 and it was replaced by insurance after the radio
 was
 stolen.  Wiring and electronics too messed up to fix.  80k disposable
 car!



 Dawie Coetzee wrote:

  The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor
  industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive,
  disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach as
  much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if it
  can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done that
  exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out every last vestige of

  the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead!
 
  Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by
  walking. -D
 
  - Original Message 
  From: Mike Weaver  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical

  Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation
 
  Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW
  Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
  pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a

  VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
  tools.
 
 
  Keith Addison wrote:
 
  If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a
  gallon soon.
  
  
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
  Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices
  
  Best
  
  Keith
  
  
  
  
  US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted
  For Inflation
  
  US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18
  
  This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
  the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
  was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
  we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
  steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
  (Sunday) on PBS.
  
  CNN verifies it, today:
  http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/
  
  Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
  to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
  would get reached:
   http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006
  
  We got close in 2006
  http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html
  
  We got closer, earlier this month:
  http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867
  
   http://zfacts.com/p/35.html
  
  This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
  now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
  standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp
  
   
http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htmhttp://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm
  http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm
  
  This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
  verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
  some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
   http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm
  
  Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
  the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
  since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
  and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
  and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
  
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200
  7040402251.html
  
  
 http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres
  -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it
  weren't

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Darryl McMahon]

Ah, yes.  Wildman Rod rides again!  The Ford coupe is a beauty, if a tad
impractical for most applications.

I think we need to rethink the car before we try to open source it.  My
idea for a plug-in electric hybrid (biodiesel) has been picked up by
someone else with more resources and I hope to see the initial results
on Saturday.  Rumour has it a book will also come from the exercise (not
by me).  

However, we do need to revisit what we really need from a car today,
because I don't think the Ford Excursion fits the bill.  How about
quadricycles that can travel at urban speeds (up to 50 km/h), utilizing
a combination of human and electric power?  Or the Twike?  Lot's of
other light-weighting options.  Less resources to construct and operate,
no toxic emissions in operation (well almost; there will be some CO2
GHGs from the breathing of the operators).

By comparison, the Smart is a fuel-guzzling pig boasting excessive
performance.

I have my vintage motorcycle operational again, thanks to my son's
efforts.  A 1973 Aurenthetic Charger. 
(http://www.econogics.com/ev/auranthe.htm) 
Factory original electric mini-motorcycle.  Gets almost 50 km to the
kWh.  

Much better than the road-racer 1973 electric Porsche 914 that pigs out
at 5 km to the kWh.  (If I did the math right, that's about 185 mpg, so
the motorcycle is getting well over 1500 mpg.  According to this article
in Grist http://evco.ca/electrathon/index.html, walking gets about 75
mpg equivalent.  An electric-assist bicycle would get about 3000 mpg
equivalent.)  Tilled the garden on the weekend with an electric tractor.
 Just bought a small, cordless electric rototiller for my mother - she
loves it.

Gasoline is only expensive if you use it.  Go electric and green your
electricity.  Buy locally.  We know the answers, the rest is
rationalizations and convenience.  Yes, it does take some effort to put
it all into practice, and I'm still on the path and far from the goal. 
My advice, make the shift to sustainable practices while fossil energy
is still cheap.

Darryl

Dawie Coetzee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Zeke, are you familiar with this one?
 http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/wilde/sterfo1.htm -D
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 4:42:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical
Highest
 Level - Adjusted For Inflation
 
 Wha??  I did have to replace the radio in my '91 VW because after
I
 replaced the battery, it went into security mode and wouldn't turn on
again. 
 And I refused to go to the dealership to have them fix that.  I
suppose I was
 supposed to take it there to get the battery replaced to begin with...

 
 This is why I am building my own electric cars.  One from a 1974
pickup, and
 one from a recumbent bicycle (if I lived on the flatland, the regular
bicycle
 itself would be fine but pedling up 4,000 feet in elevation gets
tiring at
 times and I'd like electric assist -- solar recharged, of course) 
 
 Z
 
 
 On 5/22/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe an open source car?
 The problem with new cars is that they can't be fixed.  I knew someone
 who got a new BMW 540 and it was replaced by insurance after the radio
was
 stolen.  Wiring and electronics too messed up to fix.  80k disposable
car! 
 
 
 
 Dawie Coetzee wrote:
 
  The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor
  industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive,
  disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach
as 
  much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if
it
  can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done
that
  exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out every last vestige
of 
  the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead!
 
  Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by
  walking. -D
 
  - Original Message 
  From: Mike Weaver  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time
Historical 
  Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation
 
  Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small
VW
  Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
  pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need
a 
  VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
  tools.
 
 
  Keith Addison wrote:
 
  If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a 
  gallon soon.
  
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
  Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices 
  
  Best
  
  Keith
  
  
  
  
  US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level -
Adjusted
  For Inflation 
  
  US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18
  
  This is a point we have been dreading. Before

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[John Beale]

Speaking of disposable cars:
My ex-girlfriend's parents purchased a new Mercedes-Benz E-class and  
when Mercedes shipped the car, the in-dash navigation systems (which  
her parents ordered) were not available yet, so they provided them with  
another E-class without the navigation system temporarilly. After a  
couple months, the navigation system was ready and her parents went to  
the dealer to have it installed, but the designers over in Germany  
somehow managed to design a navigation system too large for the space  
that it was intended to fit -- so they provided her parents with a  
brand new car instead. Well, after a few days with the new car, it was  
obvious that the electronics system was faulty, so Mercedes replaced  
the entire car AGAIN.
Very good customer service, but what a disregard for resources!
(Though I'm positive they were able to refurbish and sell the  
slightly-used cars)

So, all-in-all: (1) the E-class car they originally owned; (2) the  
E-class they purchased but was shipped without the navigation system;  
(3) the E-class that had a navigation system, but whose electronics  
were faulty; (4) the E-class that had both a navigation system and a  
working electrical system.
4 Mercedes-Benzes in one summer.

John




On May 22, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Mike Weaver wrote:

 Maybe an open source car?
 The problem with new cars is that they can't be fixed.  I knew someone
 who got a new BMW 540 and it was replaced by insurance after the radio  
 was
 stolen.  Wiring and electronics too messed up to fix.  80k disposable  
 car!



 Dawie Coetzee wrote:

 The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor
 industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive,
 disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach as
 much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if it
 can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done that
 exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out every last vestige of
 the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead!

 Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by
 walking. -D

 - Original Message 
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical
 Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

 Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW
 Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
 pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a
 VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
 tools.


 Keith Addison wrote:

 If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a
 gallon soon.

 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ 
 msg69797.html
 Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

 Best

 Keith




 US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted
 For Inflation

 US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18

 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
 the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
 was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
 we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
 steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
 (Sunday) on PBS.

 CNN verifies it, today:
 http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/

 Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
 to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
 would get reached:
 http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006

 We got close in 2006
 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html

 We got closer, earlier this month:
 http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867

 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html

 This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
 now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
 standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp

 http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm
 http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm

 This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
 verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
 some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
 http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm

 Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
 the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
 since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
 and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
 and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/ 
 AR200
 7040402251.html

 http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon- 
 heres
 -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it
 weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil
 analyst for the Oil Price

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Joe Street]

Hey Darryl;

What about adding a wheelmotor to a dirtsurfer?  That would be my ride 
of choice...surfing the trails and sidewalks with style. 
http://www.dirtsurfer.com/
Would have to factor in some extra battery capacity for some sort of 
ghetto blaster.  Gotta have tunes to ride the groovelol



Joe

Darryl McMahon wrote:


Ah, yes.  Wildman Rod rides again!  The Ford coupe is a beauty, if a tad
impractical for most applications.

I think we need to rethink the car before we try to open source it.  My
idea for a plug-in electric hybrid (biodiesel) has been picked up by
someone else with more resources and I hope to see the initial results
on Saturday.  Rumour has it a book will also come from the exercise (not
by me).  


However, we do need to revisit what we really need from a car today,
because I don't think the Ford Excursion fits the bill.  How about
quadricycles that can travel at urban speeds (up to 50 km/h), utilizing
a combination of human and electric power?  Or the Twike?  Lot's of
other light-weighting options.  Less resources to construct and operate,
no toxic emissions in operation (well almost; there will be some CO2
GHGs from the breathing of the operators).

By comparison, the Smart is a fuel-guzzling pig boasting excessive
performance.

I have my vintage motorcycle operational again, thanks to my son's
efforts.  A 1973 Aurenthetic Charger. 
(http://www.econogics.com/ev/auranthe.htm) 
Factory original electric mini-motorcycle.  Gets almost 50 km to the
kWh.  


Much better than the road-racer 1973 electric Porsche 914 that pigs out
at 5 km to the kWh.  (If I did the math right, that's about 185 mpg, so
the motorcycle is getting well over 1500 mpg.  According to this article
in Grist http://evco.ca/electrathon/index.html, walking gets about 75
mpg equivalent.  An electric-assist bicycle would get about 3000 mpg
equivalent.)  Tilled the garden on the weekend with an electric tractor.
Just bought a small, cordless electric rototiller for my mother - she
loves it.

Gasoline is only expensive if you use it.  Go electric and green your
electricity.  Buy locally.  We know the answers, the rest is
rationalizations and convenience.  Yes, it does take some effort to put
it all into practice, and I'm still on the path and far from the goal. 
My advice, make the shift to sustainable practices while fossil energy

is still cheap.

Darryl

Dawie Coetzee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 


Hey Zeke, are you familiar with this one?
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/wilde/sterfo1.htm -D


- Original Message 
From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May, 2007 4:42:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical
   


Highest
 


Level - Adjusted For Inflation

Wha??  I did have to replace the radio in my '91 VW because after
   


I
 


replaced the battery, it went into security mode and wouldn't turn on
   

again. 
 


And I refused to go to the dealership to have them fix that.  I
   


suppose I was
 


supposed to take it there to get the battery replaced to begin with...
   



 


This is why I am building my own electric cars.  One from a 1974
   


pickup, and
 


one from a recumbent bicycle (if I lived on the flatland, the regular
   


bicycle
 


itself would be fine but pedling up 4,000 feet in elevation gets
   


tiring at
 

times and I'd like electric assist -- solar recharged, of course) 


Z


On 5/22/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe an open source car?
The problem with new cars is that they can't be fixed.  I knew someone
who got a new BMW 540 and it was replaced by insurance after the radio
   


was
 


stolen.  Wiring and electronics too messed up to fix.  80k disposable
   

car! 
 



Dawie Coetzee wrote:

   


The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor
industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive,
disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach
 

as 
 


much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if
 


it
 


can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done
 


that
 


exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out every last vestige
 

of 
 


the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead!

Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by
walking. -D

- Original Message 
From: Mike Weaver  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time
 

Historical 
 


Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small
 


VW
 


Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need
 

a 
 


VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
tools.


Keith Addison wrote

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Keith Addison]

If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a gallon soon.

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

Best

Keith


US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted 
For Inflation

US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18

This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
(Sunday) on PBS.

CNN verifies it, today:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/

Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
would get reached:
http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006

We got close in 2006
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html

We got closer, earlier this month:
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867

http://zfacts.com/p/35.html

This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm

This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm

Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200 
7040402251.html

http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres 
-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it 
weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil 
analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting 
firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and 
within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article 
was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from 
before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have 
climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive 
experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, 
predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per 
gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already 
nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is 
another one: We expect to see prices flatten around where they are 
now, says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f
ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More 
refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since 
then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in 
history. More: experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain 
at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s, 
adjusted for inflation. Since then the price has climbed about 18%, 
to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: On a national 
average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, 
falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since 
then the price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in 
history. Also the old record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted 
to 2006 dollars) while 2006 averaged $2.81, and this year is looking 
to set a new record average, not just the highest price records. . 
http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/2690244 However, 
gasoline is
still a lot more expensive in other countries. And another curious 
fact. Adjusted for inflation, the cost of oil was around $90 a 
barrel, back in 1981. It is hanging at around 2/3rds of that today. 
The difference is going to the oil companies, not for the purchase 
of oil. They are currently, with two oil men in the White house, 
reaping the largest profits of any companies in the history of the 
human race. -Laren Corie- Solar Building Design Since 1975 
www.LarenCorie.com


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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Mike Weaver]

Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW 
Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a 
VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
tools.


Keith Addison wrote:

If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a gallon soon.

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

Best

Keith


  

US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted 
For Inflation

US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18

This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
(Sunday) on PBS.

CNN verifies it, today:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/

Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
would get reached:
http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006

We got close in 2006
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html

We got closer, earlier this month:
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867

http://zfacts.com/p/35.html

This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm

This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm

Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200 
7040402251.html

http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres 
-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it 
weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil 
analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting 
firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and 
within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article 
was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from 
before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have 
climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive 
experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, 
predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per 
gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already 
nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is 
another one: We expect to see prices flatten around where they are 
now, says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f
ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More 
refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since 
then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in 
history. More: experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain 
at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s, 
adjusted for inflation. Since then the price has climbed about 18%, 
to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: On a national 
average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, 
falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since 
then the price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in 
history. Also the old record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted 
to 2006 dollars) while 2006 averaged $2.81, and this year is looking 
to set a new record average, not just the highest price records. . 
http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/2690244 However, 
gasoline is
still a lot more expensive in other countries. And another curious 
fact. Adjusted for inflation, the cost of oil was around $90 a 
barrel, back in 1981. It is hanging at around 2/3rds of that today. 
The difference is going to the oil companies, not for the purchase 
of oil. They are currently, with two oil men in the White house, 
reaping the largest profits of any companies in the history of the 
human race. -Laren Corie- Solar Building Design Since 1975 
www.LarenCorie.com




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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Joe Street]

9300!  Where are you at? Leadville Colorado? Great news on the greenhouse.

Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:


Finally.

I don't like where the money is going, but for years, I have been 
arguing for public transportation, higher mpg vehicals, electric cars, 
etc.   And the argument has always been that the wonderful free market 
economy should dictate what companies make and people buy -- not 
governments.  Well folks, how do you like your free market now?  What 
the SUV drivers don't realize is that they've WON their argument 
against the environmentalists and proved that the market is the only 
thing that can get rid of gas guzzlers -- not legislation, lawsuits, 
etc.  Well, it hasn't quite won yet, but just in the last two weeks, I 
haven't heard any SUV ads on the radio, and every manufacturer is 
touting the gas mileage of their cars, whatever they make.  Sort of 
like all the old magazine ads you see from the early 80's (I wasn't 
old enough to remember it) -- gas mileage was THE big thing.


Of course, our vaunted free market is actually a pretty corrupt form 
of crony capitalism, not an ideal free market economy, but that never 
stopped anyone from blindly supporting it in the past.  Especially the 
same people who are begging congress for an inquiry on why gas prices 
are so high now, I bet.


On a more positive and sustainable note, my earth bermed greenhouse is 
progressing, and with luck I will be growing my own tomatoes, peppers, 
and squash locally this summer, at 9,300 feet elevation,  instead of 
buying them from far far away and shipping them across oceans and 
whatnot.  And, the greenhouse is made from at least 50% reclaimed 
materials destined for landfills (five good condition double paned 
sliding glass doors... someone was giving them away for free to save 
himself the cost of disposing of them).  Big bed of potatoes is going 
in in front of the greenhouse too.  And a bed of raspberries on the 
other side of teh house (some native ones, some cultivated varieties)


Z

On 5/21/07, *Kirk McLoren* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level -
Adjusted For Inflation

US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18

This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
(Sunday) on PBS.

CNN verifies it, today:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/

Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
would get reached:
http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006

We got close in 2006
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html

We got closer, earlier this month:
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867

http://zfacts.com/p/35.html

This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
standards.
http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm
http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm

This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm

Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual
dollars,
and also in inflation adjusted dollars.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402251.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402251.html


http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php

http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php
This one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last
month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil
Price Information Service, an energy consulting firm. The
reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and
within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The
article was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the
quote was from before that. Those prices better drop fast.
Instead they have 

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Fred Oliff]

Mike,
Put this on a 2008 US Presidential campaign poster: Get Smart and the candidate's picture with the SMART car. Looked in the window of one yesterday as I was filling up with B50 and there is room in there for lots of stuff. Problem is a major lifestyle shift and doing well with less. The SUVs provide the conspicuous consumption unfortunately the SMART car doesn't, to them at least. Fools and their money are apparently still easily parted.
My 2 cents, not indexed for inflation.
Fred




From:Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For InflationDate:Mon, 21 May 2007 15:28:29 -0600Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VWBiodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVspass me.Why don't we have smart cars in the US?I don't even need aVW most of the time.All I need to carry is a few computers and atools.Keith Addison wrote: If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a gallon soon.  
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices  Best  Keith US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation  US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18  This is a point we have been dreading. Before this, the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation, we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday (Sunday) on PBS.  CNN 
verifies it, today: http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/  Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able to anticipate what the number would be, or when it would get reached: http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006  We got close in 2006 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html  We got closer, earlier this month: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867  http://zfacts.com/p/35.html  This website that was set up to say "gasoline is cheap" now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their standards. 
http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp  http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm  This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality. http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm  Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However, since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month) and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars, and also in inflation adjusted dollars. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200 7040402251.html  http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: "says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting firm. "The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive "experts:" "The 
most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September)." We are already nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is another one: ""We expect to see prices flatten around where they are now," says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. "More refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. More: "experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s, adjusted for 
inflation." Since then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: "On a national average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon" http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since then the price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. Also the old record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted to 2006 dollars) while 2006 averaged $2.81, and this year is looking to set a new record average, not just the highest price records. . http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/2690244 However, gasoline is still a lot more 

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Zeke Yewdall]

Nah, Leadville is at 10,430 feet.  I'm in Ward, CO -- another old mining
town.  And it's snowing tonight.  Just a dusting so far  :)

On 5/22/07, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 9300!  Where are you at? Leadville Colorado? Great news on the
greenhouse.

Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Finally.

I don't like where the money is going, but for years, I have been arguing
for public transportation, higher mpg vehicals, electric cars, etc.   And
the argument has always been that the wonderful free market economy should
dictate what companies make and people buy -- not governments.  Well folks,
how do you like your free market now?  What the SUV drivers don't realize is
that they've WON their argument against the environmentalists and proved
that the market is the only thing that can get rid of gas guzzlers -- not
legislation, lawsuits, etc.  Well, it hasn't quite won yet, but just in the
last two weeks, I haven't heard any SUV ads on the radio, and every
manufacturer is touting the gas mileage of their cars, whatever they make.
Sort of like all the old magazine ads you see from the early 80's (I wasn't
old enough to remember it) -- gas mileage was THE big thing.

Of course, our vaunted free market is actually a pretty corrupt form of
crony capitalism, not an ideal free market economy, but that never stopped
anyone from blindly supporting it in the past.  Especially the same people
who are begging congress for an inquiry on why gas prices are so high now, I
bet.

On a more positive and sustainable note, my earth bermed greenhouse is
progressing, and with luck I will be growing my own tomatoes, peppers, and
squash locally this summer, at 9,300 feet elevation,  instead of buying them
from far far away and shipping them across oceans and whatnot.  And, the
greenhouse is made from at least 50% reclaimed materials destined for
landfills (five good condition double paned sliding glass doors... someone
was giving them away for free to save himself the cost of disposing of
them).  Big bed of potatoes is going in in front of the greenhouse too.  And
a bed of raspberries on the other side of teh house (some native ones, some
cultivated varieties)

Z

On 5/21/07, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For
 Inflation

 US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18

 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
 the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
 was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
 we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
 steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
 (Sunday) on PBS.

 CNN verifies it, today:
 http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/

 Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
 to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
 would get reached:
 http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006

 We got close in 2006
 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html

 We got closer, earlier this month:
 http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867

 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html

 This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
 now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
 standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp

 http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm
 http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm

 This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
 verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
 some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
 http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm

 Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
 the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
 since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
 and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
 and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402251.html


 
http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php
 This one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last month: Quote:
 says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an
 energy consulting firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the
 year, and within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The
 article was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from
 before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have climbed about
 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive experts: The most recent
 Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, predicted retail regular
 gasoline prices would average $2.81 per gallon in the summer of 2007
 (April-September). We are already nearly 40% through that time, and prices
 are still climbing. Here is another one: We expect to see prices flatten
 around where they are now, says 

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Dawie Coetzee]

The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor industry's 
kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive, disposable, owner-unfixable, 
economies-of-scale-sensitive approach as much any other new car: possibly even 
more. I've often wondered if it can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but 
every time I've done that exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out 
every last vestige of the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead!

Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by walking. 
-D


- Original Message 
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest 
Level - Adjusted For Inflation


Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW 
Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs
pass me.  Why don't we have smart cars in the US?  I don't even need a 
VW most of the time.  All I need to carry is a few computers and a
tools.


Keith Addison wrote:

If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a gallon soon.

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices

Best

Keith


  

US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted 
For Inflation

US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18

This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
(Sunday) on PBS.

CNN verifies it, today:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/

Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
would get reached:
http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006

We got close in 2006
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html

We got closer, earlier this month:
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867

http://zfacts.com/p/35.html

This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm

This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm

Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200 
7040402251.html

http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres 
-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it 
weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil 
analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting 
firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and 
within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article 
was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from 
before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have 
climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive 
experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, 
predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per 
gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already 
nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is 
another one: We expect to see prices flatten around where they are 
now, says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f
ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More 
refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since 
then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in 
history. More: experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain 
at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s, 
adjusted for inflation. Since then the price has climbed about 18%, 
to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: On a national 
average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, 
falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since 
then the price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in 
history. Also the old record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted 
to 2006 dollars) while 2006 averaged $2.81, and this year is looking 
to set a new record average, not just the highest price records. . 
http://www.swivel.com

[Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Kirk McLoren]

  US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For 
Inflation

US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18

This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
(Sunday) on PBS.

CNN verifies it, today:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/

Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
would get reached:
http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006

We got close in 2006
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html

We got closer, earlier this month:
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867

http://zfacts.com/p/35.html

This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm

This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm

Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
and also in inflation adjusted dollars.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402251.html

http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php
 This one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says 
Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy 
consulting firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and 
within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article was dated 
4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from before that. Those 
prices better drop fast. Instead they have climbed about 15%. Here is an other 
quote from the deceptive experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, 
released Apr.10, predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 
per gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already nearly 40% 
through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is another one: We 
expect to see prices flatten around where they are now, says Douglas 
MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f
ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More refinery 
outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since then the price has 
climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. More: experts say 
consumers are actually getting a bargain at the pump, as prices are still lower 
than in the early 1980s, adjusted for inflation. Since then the price has 
climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: On a 
national average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, 
falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since then the 
price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. Also the old 
record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted to 2006 dollars) while 2006 
averaged $2.81, and this year is looking to set a new record average, not just 
the highest price records. . 
http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/2690244 However, gasoline is 
still a lot more expensive in other countries. And another curious fact. 
Adjusted for inflation, the cost of oil was around $90 a barrel, back in 1981. 
It is hanging at around 2/3rds of that today. The difference is going to the 
oil companies, not for the purchase of oil. They are currently, with two oil 
men in the White house, reaping the largest profits of any companies in the 
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation

[Zeke Yewdall]

Finally.

I don't like where the money is going, but for years, I have been arguing
for public transportation, higher mpg vehicals, electric cars, etc.   And
the argument has always been that the wonderful free market economy should
dictate what companies make and people buy -- not governments.  Well folks,
how do you like your free market now?  What the SUV drivers don't realize is
that they've WON their argument against the environmentalists and proved
that the market is the only thing that can get rid of gas guzzlers -- not
legislation, lawsuits, etc.  Well, it hasn't quite won yet, but just in the
last two weeks, I haven't heard any SUV ads on the radio, and every
manufacturer is touting the gas mileage of their cars, whatever they make.
Sort of like all the old magazine ads you see from the early 80's (I wasn't
old enough to remember it) -- gas mileage was THE big thing.

Of course, our vaunted free market is actually a pretty corrupt form of
crony capitalism, not an ideal free market economy, but that never stopped
anyone from blindly supporting it in the past.  Especially the same people
who are begging congress for an inquiry on why gas prices are so high now, I
bet.

On a more positive and sustainable note, my earth bermed greenhouse is
progressing, and with luck I will be growing my own tomatoes, peppers, and
squash locally this summer, at 9,300 feet elevation,  instead of buying them
from far far away and shipping them across oceans and whatnot.  And, the
greenhouse is made from at least 50% reclaimed materials destined for
landfills (five good condition double paned sliding glass doors... someone
was giving them away for free to save himself the cost of disposing of
them).  Big bed of potatoes is going in in front of the greenhouse too.  And
a bed of raspberries on the other side of teh house (some native ones, some
cultivated varieties)

Z

On 5/21/07, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For
Inflation

US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18

This is a point we have been dreading. Before this,
the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price
was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation,
we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a
steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday
(Sunday) on PBS.

CNN verifies it, today:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/

Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able
to anticipate what the number would be, or when it
would get reached:
http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006

We got close in 2006
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html

We got closer, earlier this month:
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867

http://zfacts.com/p/35.html

This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap
now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their
standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htmhttp://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm

This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading
verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that
some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality.
http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm

Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of
the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However,
since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month)
and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars,
and also in inflation adjusted dollars.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402251.html


http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres-the-summer-road-trips-61124.phpThis
 one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says
Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an
energy consulting firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the
year, and within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The
article was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from
before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have climbed about
15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive experts: The most recent
Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, predicted retail regular gasoline
prices would average $2.81 per gallon in the summer of 2007
(April-September). We are already nearly 40% through that time, and prices
are still climbing. Here is another one: We expect to see prices flatten
around where they are now, says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for
the f
ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More refinery
outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since then the price has
climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. More: experts
say consumers are actually getting a bargain at the pump, as