Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Helo Ken,Chris and Chuk We all the members are surely thankful for the bold step of moving the our list to the present one especially Keith and Martin from yahoo as this forum, provides valuable information for all of us, especailly the people from the south side of the world , without the commercial necessities saving all our valuable time . sd Pannirselvam P.V Brasil On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:59:11 -0500, Ken Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "did what I could with what > I had at my disposal" > > Is that not what the JTF site is all about , I have improved my life just > by reading about the problems others have conquered . I've made my share > of mistakes and gone on with it .I wouldn't have dreamed about making my > fuel without your help. > > Ken > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Martin, don't be so hard on yourself m8!!! As others have said you have done what you could with what you had - isn't that what we here are all well accustomed to do? If something doesn't work quite right - we adapt. I feel a sense of responsibility now for the fact that the web space I had promised, through Mike, has taken so long to be set up merely due to lack of proper communication, through no ones fault. As far as the quality of content of discussion on the list - this is not down to you - it is the list members that enrich this aspect. The fact that you, Keith & all the rest of us may be preoccupied with projects, work, family etc to be able to contribute to the list on current or new topics of discussion is irrelevant. Lists have quiet times just like any other organisation you can imagine. Chill out - you are doing a grand job - & whilst you may think "this just ain't working right!" - everything will fall into place - we all work to this principle by the nature of what we do - you are a big part of that so stick with it - you are needed! I need to know if the mirror server we offered is set up & working ok - if not I will chase it up - but please "spam" me till we have it set up, there is no reason why this should all be on your shoulders, so speak up m8y. We have a critical job to do - we can't give up now! Best regards Malcolm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Hey Martin, Don't beat yourself up over it. We've all hosed servers, well those of us that have had to maintain them anyways. ;) Learn from the experience. Add one more entry to your personal "How not to ..." list. Life goes on, I'm still getting email from the list, the information is useful, what more can we ask for. Cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Klingensmith Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 10:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
"did what I could with what I had at my disposal" Is that not what the JTF site is all about , I have improved my life just by reading about the problems others have conquered . I've made my share of mistakes and gone on with it .I wouldn't have dreamed about making my fuel without your help. Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
I hardly believe that falling on your sword is necessary. People being people, we will rub one another the wrong way from time to time. Machines and software being what they are, they will fail sometimes also. This forum, warts and all provides valuable information for all of us, without the commercial necessities that power Yahoo. I want to thank all of the JTF crew for their energy and efforts. Chuck ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Hi Martin, I can report no problems with list content in New Zealand, a corner of the world that Kipling described it as "the last, loneliest and loveliest". (Dunno about the first two adjectives but it's certainly still among the loveliest.) To the point: no problems, no need for apologies. Rather it is we, the beneficiaries of your work, who should be sending bouquets. In brief, thank you for a much needed service. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list > I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured > with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, > and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all > my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what > I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). >> ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Hi Martin and Keith, I agree with what Juan says. From the technical side, the list has been working as well, if not better, than Yahoo, and I belive that any perceived problems from your side have their roots in other causes. The main problem is maybe the one that I voiced before the move, combined with the very exhausting work that Keith put into this list. If it is of interest, I can elaborate on it, but I will maybe recommend to move the list back to Yahoo, for marketing and exposure reasons, not technical. As a list user and visitor to JTF, I have not noticed any major technical disasters. Whatever happened, you both have solved it, probably by working hard. If this causes feelings of irritation is natural. I do not really agree with that Martin make it public on the list, other than if it is a joint decision and that it is aimed to find some sort of positive solutions. It can be a very destructive action and Keith do not deserve this. Hakan At 01:55 PM 3/22/2005, you wrote: Hello Martin. I only noticed a diminish on the frecuency that the posts reaches my mail box during this month compared to last year or from the Yahoo server, since I receive mails from more than 3 years ago at the begining with Yahoo, I try to cacht up most of the time with the amount of mail and I do not feel very different since I do not read the mail directly conected to Yahoo or any web site in Internet but it is on our own mail server that delivers to my destop computer all working hours. I consider Yahoo's service was worse because if our server was down for a while, Yahoo did not send any mail form the group until I sent them a blanck message to reactivate the service, I did loose many days of valuable mail due to lighting and thunderstorms here with this Yahoo feature that worked slowly, I do not have that kind of inconvenience now. Martin, your work if very valuable to me, many updates I can read in so many related fields thanks to the willingness to share knowlege of fellow list members in this remote location on earth like in the countryside of Paraguay where is not easy to surf Internet at 1 - 3 KB/s or to get updated magazines and books that makes me feel not so isolated. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Pilar - Paraguay South America -Mensaje original- From: Martin Klingensmith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mo. 21/03/05 11:19 PM For:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Hello Martin, I have indeed experienced some minor interruptions (major emphasis placed on MINOR) in the frequency in which I receive postings to the list. But nothing that would, in anyway, approach what you suggest Martin. Keith has done great work here, yes, but so have you. There are many others as well, but for the critical role you fill in this "force" that is "Journey to forever", I'd just as soon know that Martin is there handling it. > I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occurred > with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, > and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all > my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what > I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). Apology not accepted, because there is none needed. Just as you state, you've done the best you could with what you had. Downtime happens. Personally, I have no clue what it takes, technically, to manage this something like this. But whatever the requirements, I know this, as long as I have been here it has worked best when you were at the helm. My sincere hope is that that is were you remain. Cordially, Mike Krafka <> > -- > Martin K > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Hello Martin We are from north east of Brasil, very less deveoped area. Keep your good work Martin. Go ahead dont mind sd Pannirselvam PV On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:19:56 -0800 (PST), Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey! Don't sweat it! > > I think everyone agrees that this forum will stay cohesive because of the > passion and conviction of its members. If indeed, a mistake was made with how > it is structured or organized, I think that it is seen by many of us as a > break from the conventional and an attempt at improvement. So, the intention > being a good one, I doubt people will lose interest. > > Keep up the good work! We all depend on you (no pressure)! > > :-) > > Mike > > Juan Boveda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Martin. > > I only noticed a diminish on the frecuency that the posts reaches my mail > box during this month compared to last year or from the Yahoo server, since > I receive mails from more than 3 years ago at the begining with Yahoo, I > try to cacht up most of the time with the amount of mail and I do not feel > very different since I do not read the mail directly conected to Yahoo or > any web site in Internet but it is on our own mail server that delivers to > my destop computer all working hours. > > I consider Yahoo's service was worse because if our server was down for a > while, Yahoo did not send any mail form the group until I sent them a > blanck message to reactivate the service, I did loose many days of valuable > mail due to lighting and thunderstorms here with this Yahoo feature that > worked slowly, I do not have that kind of inconvenience now. > > Martin, your work if very valuable to me, many updates I can read in so > many related fields thanks to the willingness to share knowlege of fellow > list members in this remote location on earth like in the countryside of > Paraguay where is not easy to surf Internet at 1 - 3 KB/s or to get updated > magazines and books that makes me feel not so isolated. > > Best Regards. > > Juan Boveda > Pilar - Paraguay > South America > > -Mensaje original- > From: Martin Klingensmith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Mo. 21/03/05 11:19 PM > For: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list > > I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured > with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, > and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all > my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what > I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). > > If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would > invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. > > I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the > generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky > road everyone travelled to get to this point. > > I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel > personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that > I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an > alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once > again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has > put into the list trying to make it sustainable. > > This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have > occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web > services from one server to another. > > -- > Martin K > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
I am unaware of any problems that could call for this apology. I am on other lists that go down much more frequently. My cheesemaker list disappeared for over a month!With Yahell, we kept getting unsubbed. I think you are doing a great job, Martin. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:18 PM 3/21/2005, you wrote: I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Hey! Don't sweat it! I think everyone agrees that this forum will stay cohesive because of the passion and conviction of its members. If indeed, a mistake was made with how it is structured or organized, I think that it is seen by many of us as a break from the conventional and an attempt at improvement. So, the intention being a good one, I doubt people will lose interest. Keep up the good work! We all depend on you (no pressure)! :-) Mike Juan Boveda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Martin. I only noticed a diminish on the frecuency that the posts reaches my mail box during this month compared to last year or from the Yahoo server, since I receive mails from more than 3 years ago at the begining with Yahoo, I try to cacht up most of the time with the amount of mail and I do not feel very different since I do not read the mail directly conected to Yahoo or any web site in Internet but it is on our own mail server that delivers to my destop computer all working hours. I consider Yahoo's service was worse because if our server was down for a while, Yahoo did not send any mail form the group until I sent them a blanck message to reactivate the service, I did loose many days of valuable mail due to lighting and thunderstorms here with this Yahoo feature that worked slowly, I do not have that kind of inconvenience now. Martin, your work if very valuable to me, many updates I can read in so many related fields thanks to the willingness to share knowlege of fellow list members in this remote location on earth like in the countryside of Paraguay where is not easy to surf Internet at 1 - 3 KB/s or to get updated magazines and books that makes me feel not so isolated. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Pilar - Paraguay South America -Mensaje original- From: Martin Klingensmith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mo. 21/03/05 11:19 PM For: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Hello Martin. I only noticed a diminish on the frecuency that the posts reaches my mail box during this month compared to last year or from the Yahoo server, since I receive mails from more than 3 years ago at the begining with Yahoo, I try to cacht up most of the time with the amount of mail and I do not feel very different since I do not read the mail directly conected to Yahoo or any web site in Internet but it is on our own mail server that delivers to my destop computer all working hours. I consider Yahoo's service was worse because if our server was down for a while, Yahoo did not send any mail form the group until I sent them a blanck message to reactivate the service, I did loose many days of valuable mail due to lighting and thunderstorms here with this Yahoo feature that worked slowly, I do not have that kind of inconvenience now. Martin, your work if very valuable to me, many updates I can read in so many related fields thanks to the willingness to share knowlege of fellow list members in this remote location on earth like in the countryside of Paraguay where is not easy to surf Internet at 1 - 3 KB/s or to get updated magazines and books that makes me feel not so isolated. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Pilar - Paraguay South America -Mensaje original- From: Martin Klingensmith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mo. 21/03/05 11:19 PM For:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
Helow Martins we have not noticed any problems sd pannir On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:38:06 -0500, Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ditto. > > - Original Message - > From: "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list > > > ??? > > > > What problems? > > > > Greg H. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 20:18 > > Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list > > > > > >> I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured > >> with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 > >> years, > >> and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all > >> my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what > >> I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). > >> > >> If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would > >> invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. > >> > >> I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the > >> generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky > >> road everyone travelled to get to this point. > >> > >> I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel > >> personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that > >> I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an > >> alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once > >> again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has > >> put into the list trying to make it sustainable. > >> > >> This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have > >> occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web > >> services from one server to another. > >> > >> -- > >> Martin K > >> > > > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.0 - Release Date: 3/8/2005 > > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
- Original Message - From: "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list ??? What problems? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 20:18 Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.0 - Release Date: 3/8/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
??? What problems? Greg H. - Original Message - From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 20:18 Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list > I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured > with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, > and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all > my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what > I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). > > If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would > invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. > > I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the > generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky > road everyone travelled to get to this point. > > I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel > personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that > I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an > alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once > again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has > put into the list trying to make it sustainable. > > This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have > occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web > services from one server to another. > > -- > Martin K > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. I don't understand your lament about problems on the list. I've been busy and distracted by trying to start an at-home business. Am I missing something important here? Has there been a decline in "useful discussion"? This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. There have been problems? Really? robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
