[Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest
I can't say I am always a fan of the Israeli government right or wrong, and let's be honest, they've made some mistakes (but then look at the US gov't), but they are in an impossible spot. Do they need some nudging to do they right thing? Yes, but we all do. Let's stop and think, Why are they where they are? - Because NO Western country would take then. Roosevelt turned away of boatload of Jewish refugees. They really didn't have a lot of options. In Poland, TWO YEARS after WWII ended, there was a massacre of Jews. I can understand why one might gamble on a boat trip to (then) British Palestine rather than go home to Europe. Personally, I think the whole idea was ill-conceived, and US should have settled the refugees in the largely unocupied American West. Heck, a state even. Besides, I think if you wait long enough, Fritz, you'll see the same behavior here anyway. We're already denying blacks the right to vote in some states, and it's pretty much illegal to be black in a white area after dark already. Step one is to confiscate the land owned by African-Americans, [or Native Americans] evict them from it and use the land to build massive new subdivisions. Only white Protestant Christians may live in these subdivisions. - Check, doing that here. I notice you're in Canada - do you live in a house? Where did the land come from? A friendly Algonkin http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/algonquian/algonhist1.htm give it to you? I notice the Canadia Government has been having a little trouble with its First Nation denizens - a few Mohawk lawsuits here and there. Don't judge, so that you won't be judged. http://bible.cc/matthew/7-2.htmFor with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. ^3 http://bible.cc/matthew/7-3.htm Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye? Or, let he who is free from sin cast the first stone. -Mike Fritz Friesinger wrote: Bob, i bett you havent wread the report of www.btselem.org http://www.btselem.org you would not talk such rhubbish! Fritz - Original Message - *From:* Bob Molloy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Yo Fritz, Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your ethnic forebears killed off six million of these bloody Jews only to have the rest of us dumb westerners stop them just before they'd finished the job. Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide bombers and Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of us left off. We need to force the Israelis to open these roads, tear down their walls and move back onto their own territory so that the bombers in civilian clothing have a fighting chance to get closer to Israeli settlements. At least let's have a level playing field here. After it's all over and the Palestinians have finally established their Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli refugees into western countries just as long as they toe the line and run the garbage collection systems for us. Good one, Fritz, Bob. - Original Message - *From:* Fritz Friesinger mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:33 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Forewardet by Fritz -- Check Your Beliefs By Charley Reese 03/17/06 -- -- Let's play a fantasy game to check on our belief in human rights. Let's suppose that in a mythical state, a governor announced a campaign to punish African-Americans for alleged violence. Step one is to confiscate the land owned by African-Americans, evict them from it and use the land to build massive new subdivisions. Only white Protestant Christians may live in these subdivisions. Step two is to connect these all-white Protestant Christian settlements to each other by a highway on which African-Americans are forbidden to drive. To facilitate control, the automobile tags for African-Americans will be a different color from the tags issued to white motorists. Checkpoints would be set up all around the state capitol to search and harass African-Americans trying to enter. Would you support such a plan? Would you hail that mythical governor as a man of peace? Would you go to your church congregation and ask the members to send money to
Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest
Mike, what you are saying is,Palestine was British then? so how it became British?and thas this make the whole thing less hard for the Palestinians? What happened a hundred years ago should not happening anymore today! We came a long way to realize the wrongs of the past but instaed of garding that those attrocytis cant be repeatet we are turning a blind eye and excuse things with old rethoric.Your analysis sucks but then you are US Citicen and what can we expect from such! To my very own situation,i live in Quebec Canada on a piece of Land (a former open pit Graphit mine) nobody wantet so i got it fairly cheep.But then i am cleaning up the mess a US Mining companie had left and this for seven years now! i have put trouts in my lakes and had spent a lot of money for topsoil and plant trees and garden!And once i be finished (probably never) people will come and ask if the could live on my land and i will refuse the request if the show me the same attitude as you Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest I can't say I am always a fan of the Israeli government right or wrong, and let's be honest, they've made some mistakes (but then look at the US gov't), but they arein an impossible spot. Do they need some nudging to do they right thing? Yes, but we all do.Let's stop and think, "Why are they where they are? - Because NO Western country would take then. Roosevelt turned away of boatload of Jewish refugees. They really didn't have a lot of options. In Poland, TWO YEARS after WWII ended, there was a massacre of Jews. I can understand why one might gamble on a boat trip to (then) British Palestine rather than go "home" to Europe.Personally, I think the whole idea was ill-conceived, and US should have settled the refugees in the largely unocupied American West. Heck, a state even.Besides, I think if you wait long enough, Fritz, you'll see the same behavior here anyway. We're already denying blacks the right to vote in some states, and it's pretty much illegal to be black in a white area after dark already. Step one is to confiscate the land owned byAfrican-Americans, [or Native Americans] evict them from it and use the landto build massive new subdivisions. Only whiteProtestant Christians may live in these subdivisions. - Check, doing that here.I notice you're in Canada - do you live in a house? Where did the land come from? A friendly Algonkin http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/algonquian/algonhist1.htm give it to you? I notice the Canadia Government has beenhaving a little trouble with its First Nation denizens - a few Mohawk lawsuits here and there. "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged.http://bible.cc/matthew/7-2.htmFor with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you.^3 http://bible.cc/matthew/7-3.htm Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye?Or, let he who is free from sin cast the first stone.-MikeFritz Friesinger wrote: Bob, i bett you havent wread the report of www.btselem.org http://www.btselem.org you would not talk such rhubbish! Fritz - Original Message - *From:* Bob Molloy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Yo Fritz, Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your ethnic forebears killed off six million of these bloody Jews only to have the rest of us dumb westerners stop them just before they'd finished the job. Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide bombers and Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of us left off. We need to force the Israelis to open these roads, tear down their walls and move back onto their own territory so that the bombers in civilian clothing have a fighting chance to get closer to Israeli settlements. At least let's have a level playing field here. After it's all over and the Palestinians have finally established their Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli refugees into western countries just as long as they toe the line and run the garbage collection systems for us. Good one, Fritz, Bob. - Original Message - *From:* Fritz Friesinger mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:33 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Forewardet by Fritz -- Check Your Beliefs By Charl
Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest
Fritz, 1. No, I said it was then called British Palestine. 2. It was then ruled by the British as part of the British Empire. But, than does not make it British. The people living there were primarily Muslim Arabs, a few Christians and, surprisingly, some Jewish people. 3. I am not saying things are not hard for Palestinians under the Israeli government, not to mention the PA is likely the most corrupt government in the world. 4. I am also not saying I approve of everything the Israeli Gov't does. 5. I also never said I approve of the way Israel is handling the current situation. 6. My being an American does not impair my thinking; ad hominem attacks usually indicate that you are out of intellectual ammo. 7. My point with the land is that most of us in North America are arguably living on land that was home to Native Americans. I'm fairly sure my huse is on land once occupied by the Algonkian nation. If you are in Quebec, you are probably living on Abenaki land. 8. I offer no defense of US mining companies. Most of what they do is indefensible. 9. I am saying I think blowing each other to bits won't solve anything. Nowhere in my post do I say I defend what is going on in Palestine and Israel. I did say I think it was a mistake to drop all the Jewish refugees into that area. But, no one else wanted them. I personally think the US should have taken them in. I am not quite sure what you mean by your last sentance. -Mike Fritz Friesinger wrote: Mike, what you are saying is,Palestine was British then? so how it became British?and thas this make the whole thing less hard for the Palestinians? What happened a hundred years ago should not happening anymore today! We came a long way to realize the wrongs of the past but instaed of garding that those attrocytis cant be repeatet we are turning a blind eye and excuse things with old rethoric.Your analysis sucks but then you are US Citicen and what can we expect from such! To my very own situation,i live in Quebec Canada on a piece of Land (a former open pit Graphit mine) nobody wantet so i got it fairly cheep.But then i am cleaning up the mess a US Mining companie had left and this for seven years now! i have put trouts in my lakes and had spent a lot of money for topsoil and plant trees and garden!And once i be finished (probably never) people will come and ask if the could live on my land and i will refuse the request if the show me the same attitude as you Fritz - Original Message - *From:* Mike Weaver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:18 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest I can't say I am always a fan of the Israeli government right or wrong, and let's be honest, they've made some mistakes (but then look at the US gov't), but they are in an impossible spot. Do they need some nudging to do they right thing? Yes, but we all do. Let's stop and think, Why are they where they are? - Because NO Western country would take then. Roosevelt turned away of boatload of Jewish refugees. They really didn't have a lot of options. In Poland, TWO YEARS after WWII ended, there was a massacre of Jews. I can understand why one might gamble on a boat trip to (then) British Palestine rather than go home to Europe. Personally, I think the whole idea was ill-conceived, and US should have settled the refugees in the largely unocupied American West. Heck, a state even. Besides, I think if you wait long enough, Fritz, you'll see the same behavior here anyway. We're already denying blacks the right to vote in some states, and it's pretty much illegal to be black in a white area after dark already. Step one is to confiscate the land owned by African-Americans, [or Native Americans] evict them from it and use the land to build massive new subdivisions. Only white Protestant Christians may live in these subdivisions. - Check, doing that here. I notice you're in Canada - do you live in a house? Where did the land come from? A friendly Algonkin http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/algonquian/algonhist1.htm give it to you? I notice the Canadia Government has been having a little trouble with its First Nation denizens - a few Mohawk lawsuits here and there. Don't judge, so that you won't be judged. http://bible.cc/matthew/7-2.htmFor http://bible.cc/matthew/7-2.htm%3EFor with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. ^3 http://bible.cc/matthew/7-3.htm Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye
Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest
Mike, your point,that it was british Palestine and so make things sound,it was not real Palestine! Than,if you say,the Israeli Gvnmt.hade made some mistakes it souns like: everyone is entitled to some Mistakes and so But you are so far of reality as if you would say Hitler made some Mistakes and this is making my final point in my last Mail! After all it is your Gvnmt. who supplies the Arms to Israel and therefor you are as guilty as my Parents have been in the Holocaust Simon Wiesenthal said :you have to make a stand !What an emty Phrase considering the murder going on in Palestine,an occupation lasting now 40 Years To you point 6. I doo think that you beeing an US American impairs your thinking and the lack of my intellectual capacity is more my lack of good english get the picture? Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest Fritz,1. No, I said it was then called British Palestine.2. It was then ruled by the British as part of the British Empire. But, than does not make it British. The people living there were primarily Muslim Arabs, a few Christians and, surprisingly, some Jewish people.3. I am not saying things are not hard for Palestinians under the Israeli government, not to mention the PA is likely the most corrupt government in the world.4. I am also not saying I approve of everything the Israeli Gov't does.5. I also never said I approve of the way Israel is handling the current situation.6. My being an American does not impair my thinking; ad hominem attacks usually indicate that you are out of intellectual ammo.7. My point with the land is that most of us in North America are arguably living on land that was home to Native Americans. I'm fairly sure my huse is on land once occupied by the Algonkian nation. If you are in Quebec, you are probably living on Abenaki land.8. I offer no defense of US mining companies. Most of what they do is indefensible.9. I am saying I think blowing each other to bits won't solve anything.Nowhere in my post do I say I defend what is going on in Palestine and Israel. I did say I think it was a mistake to drop all the Jewish refugees into that area.But, no one else wanted them. I personally think the US should have taken them in. I am not quite sure what you mean by your last sentance.-MikeFritz Friesinger wrote: Mike, what you are saying is,Palestine was British then? so how it became British?and thas this make the whole thing less hard for the Palestinians? What happened a hundred years ago should not happening anymore today! We came a long way to realize the wrongs of the past but instaed of garding that those attrocytis cant be repeatet we are turning a blind eye and excuse things with old rethoric.Your analysis sucks but then you are US Citicen and what can we expect from such! To my very own situation,i live in Quebec Canada on a piece of Land (a former open pit Graphit mine) nobody wantet so i got it fairly cheep.But then i am cleaning up the mess a US Mining companie had left and this for seven years now! i have put trouts in my lakes and had spent a lot of money for topsoil and plant trees and garden!And once i be finished (probably never) people will come and ask if the could live on my land and i will refuse the request if the show me the same attitude as you Fritz - Original Message - *From:* Mike Weaver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:18 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest I can't say I am always a fan of the Israeli government right or wrong, and let's be honest, they've made some mistakes (but then look at the US gov't), but they are in an impossible spot. Do they need some nudging to do they right thing? Yes, but we all do. Let's stop and think, "Why are they where they are? - Because NO Western country would take then. Roosevelt turned away of boatload of Jewish refugees. They really didn't have a lot of options. In Poland, TWO YEARS after WWII ended, there was a massacre of Jews. I can understand why one might gamble on a boat trip to (then) British Palestine rather than go "home" to Europe. Personally, I think the whole idea was ill-conceived, and US should have settled the refugees in the largely unocupied American West. Heck, a state even. Besides, I think if you wait long enough, Fritz, you'll see the same behavior here anyway. We're already denying blacks the right to vote in some states, and it's pretty much illegal to be black in a white area after dark already. Step one is to confiscate the land owned by Af
Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest
No. I find your logic hard to follow. I also did not say being called British Palestine made it British. At that time it was ruled by Britain. I never mentioned Hitler nor the Nazis. Yes, I said the government of Israel has made mistakes and will most certainly continue to do so, as will the US. I just don't understand your 3rd sentance. I am not talking about Hitler. After all it is your Gvnmt. who supplies the Arms to Israel and therefor you are as guilty as my Parents have been in the Holocaust Canada sell $900,000,000 worth of arms annually. Canada sell arms to Israel also: ** Canada exported military goods valued at $100,000 or more to seven countries hosting armed conflicts in 2002: Algeria , Colombia India , Israel , Nigeria, the Philippines , and Sri Lanka . The value of arms exports to these countries totaled $8-million. -Wikipedia So, as your government is selling arms to Israel that makes you as guilty as the rest of us? By your logic you've got blood on your hands. Also, I have to say, what's the difference between saying my thinking is impaired because I'm a citizen of the US, and saying that my thinking is impaired because I'm a citizen of Zambia? That sounds like a bigoted statement to me. Fritz Friesinger wrote: Mike, your point,that it was british Palestine and so make things sound,it was not real Palestine! Than,if you say,the Israeli Gvnmt.hade made some mistakes it souns like: everyone is entitled to some Mistakes and so But you are so far of reality as if you would say Hitler made some Mistakes and this is making my final point in my last Mail! After all it is your Gvnmt. who supplies the Arms to Israel and therefor you are as guilty as my Parents have been in the Holocaust Simon Wiesenthal said :you have to make a stand !What an emty Phrase considering the murder going on in Palestine,an occupation lasting now 40 Years To you point 6. I doo think that you beeing an US American impairs your thinking and the lack of my intellectual capacity is more my lack of good english get the picture? Fritz - Original Message - *From:* Mike Weaver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:19 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest Fritz, 1. No, I said it was then called British Palestine. 2. It was then ruled by the British as part of the British Empire. But, than does not make it British. The people living there were primarily Muslim Arabs, a few Christians and, surprisingly, some Jewish people. 3. I am not saying things are not hard for Palestinians under the Israeli government, not to mention the PA is likely the most corrupt government in the world. 4. I am also not saying I approve of everything the Israeli Gov't does. 5. I also never said I approve of the way Israel is handling the current situation. 6. My being an American does not impair my thinking; ad hominem attacks usually indicate that you are out of intellectual ammo. 7. My point with the land is that most of us in North America are arguably living on land that was home to Native Americans. I'm fairly sure my huse is on land once occupied by the Algonkian nation. If you are in Quebec, you are probably living on Abenaki land. 8. I offer no defense of US mining companies. Most of what they do is indefensible. 9. I am saying I think blowing each other to bits won't solve anything. Nowhere in my post do I say I defend what is going on in Palestine and Israel. I did say I think it was a mistake to drop all the Jewish refugees into that area. But, no one else wanted them. I personally think the US should have taken them in. I am not quite sure what you mean by your last sentance. -Mike Fritz Friesinger wrote: Mike, what you are saying is,Palestine was British then? so how it became British?and thas this make the whole thing less hard for the Palestinians? What happened a hundred years ago should not happening anymore today! We came a long way to realize the wrongs of the past but instaed of garding that those attrocytis cant be repeatet we are turning a blind eye and excuse things with old rethoric.Your analysis sucks but then you are US Citicen and what can we expect from such! To my very own situation,i live in Quebec Canada on a piece of Land (a former open pit Graphit mine) nobody wantet so i got it fairly cheep.But then i am cleaning up the mess a US Mining companie had left and this for seven years now! i have put trouts in my lakes and had spent a lot of money for topsoil and plant trees and garden!And once i be finished
