Re: [Biofuel] gelled rebatch

2006-05-08 Thread Appal Energy 
You'd have to ask the folks over in China. All that came into the 
warehouse was the sterile seed, which was pressed for oil.

I presume that the stalks were used for fibre/fabric, as that's where 
the majority of the industrial hemp came from at the time.

Todd Swearingen



Mike Weaver wrote:

>And what happened to the REST of the hemp plant?
>
>Appal Energy wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Ryan,
>>
>>Once, a bit over six years ago, I rather hastily put together a gallon 
>>of what I thought would be biodiesel from hempseed oil. Sure enough, it 
>>glopped out. I racked my brain as to what went wrong and could come up 
>>with nothing, believing that I'd done everything to the tee.
>>
>>Over the next year, we processed more than 2,000 gallons from the same 
>>stores of hempseed oil. Not a problem.
>>
>>The only possible reason for one small failure out of so much volume? 
>>Human error. It happens. Taking notes helps reduce the possibilities of 
>>such. Racking your brain often helps resolve others.
>>
>>You might ask yourself what it was that made you think your first go 
>>'round was too soapy.
>>
>>Todd Swearingen
>>
>>
>>
>>Ryan Pope wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>I attempeted to post this last week. Didn't come through due to 
>>>glitches of some sort.
>>>
>>>*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>>I made my first small batch last Wednesday, and it turned out OK; I 
>>>thought it had a little too much soapiness, so I reprocessed it. 100ml 
>>>methnol, 3.5g NaOH, 1.5hrs, as per directions. After settling, I had a 
>>>nasty lump of gelled stuff. I thought maybe it was the cold, it did 
>>>get down to 45-50 F that night. Brought the jug indoors overnight. 
>>>Nope, still thick. Better, but still gooey.
>>>
>>>Anyway, can you overprocess? What happens if you do?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Ryan
>>>
>>>*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>>
>>>SINCE THEN;
>>>
>>>I'm thinking it was all the container I used. It was a LDPE container, 
>>>and I think the finished diesel dissolved some plastic that the SVO 
>>>the first time didn't. Add heat, and it dissolved even more. My 
>>>original question is still valid though...can you OVERprocess? And 
>>>what happens?
>>>
>>>
>>>And my second small trial batch is settling right now...so far so good.
>>>
>>>Ryan
>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] gelled rebatch

2006-05-08 Thread Mike Weaver 
I don't reememmbbber

Fred Finch wrote:

> Didn't we cover that when we were talking about album covers?
>
>
>
> On 5/8/06, *Mike Weaver* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> And what happened to the REST of the hemp plant?
>
> Appal Energy wrote:
>
> >Ryan,
> >
> >Once, a bit over six years ago, I rather hastily put together a
> gallon
> >of what I thought would be biodiesel from hempseed oil. Sure
> enough, it
> >glopped out. I racked my brain as to what went wrong and could
> come up
> >with nothing, believing that I'd done everything to the tee.
> >
> >Over the next year, we processed more than 2,000 gallons from the
> same
> >stores of hempseed oil. Not a problem.
> >
> >The only possible reason for one small failure out of so much
> volume?
> >Human error. It happens. Taking notes helps reduce the
> possibilities of
> >such. Racking your brain often helps resolve others.
> >
> >You might ask yourself what it was that made you think your first go
> >'round was too soapy.
> >
> >Todd Swearingen
> >
> >
> >
> >Ryan Pope wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I attempeted to post this last week. Didn't come through due to
> >>glitches of some sort.
> >>
> >>*-*-*-*-*-*-*
> >>I made my first small batch last Wednesday, and it turned out OK; I
> >>thought it had a little too much soapiness, so I reprocessed it.
> 100ml
> >>methnol, 3.5g NaOH, 1.5hrs, as per directions. After settling, I
> had a
> >>nasty lump of gelled stuff. I thought maybe it was the cold, it did
> >>get down to 45-50 F that night. Brought the jug indoors overnight.
> >>Nope, still thick. Better, but still gooey.
> >>
> >>Anyway, can you overprocess? What happens if you do?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Ryan
> >>
> >>*-*-*-*-*-*-*
> >>
> >>SINCE THEN;
> >>
> >>I'm thinking it was all the container I used. It was a LDPE
> container,
> >>and I think the finished diesel dissolved some plastic that the SVO
> >>the first time didn't. Add heat, and it dissolved even more. My
> >>original question is still valid though...can you OVERprocess? And
> >>what happens?
> >>
> >>
> >>And my second small trial batch is settling right now...so far
> so good.
> >>
> >>Ryan
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Re: [Biofuel] gelled rebatch

2006-05-08 Thread Fred Finch 
Didn't we cover that when we were talking about album covers?On 5/8/06, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:And what happened to the REST of the hemp plant?Appal Energy wrote:
>Ryan,>>Once, a bit over six years ago, I rather hastily put together a gallon>of what I thought would be biodiesel from hempseed oil. Sure enough, it>glopped out. I racked my brain as to what went wrong and could come up
>with nothing, believing that I'd done everything to the tee.>>Over the next year, we processed more than 2,000 gallons from the same>stores of hempseed oil. Not a problem.>>The only possible reason for one small failure out of so much volume?
>Human error. It happens. Taking notes helps reduce the possibilities of>such. Racking your brain often helps resolve others.>>You might ask yourself what it was that made you think your first go
>'round was too soapy.>>Todd SwearingenRyan Pope wrote:>I attempeted to post this last week. Didn't come through due to>>glitches of some sort.
*-*-*-*-*-*-*>>I made my first small batch last Wednesday, and it turned out OK; I>>thought it had a little too much soapiness, so I reprocessed it. 100ml>>methnol, 3.5g
 NaOH, 1.5hrs, as per directions. After settling, I had a>>nasty lump of gelled stuff. I thought maybe it was the cold, it did>>get down to 45-50 F that night. Brought the jug indoors overnight.>>Nope, still thick. Better, but still gooey.
Anyway, can you overprocess? What happens if you do?Thanks,Ryan*-*-*-*-*-*-*SINCE THEN;>>
>>I'm thinking it was all the container I used. It was a LDPE container,>>and I think the finished diesel dissolved some plastic that the SVO>>the first time didn't. Add heat, and it dissolved even more. My
>>original question is still valid though...can you OVERprocess? And>>what happens?>>And my second small trial batch is settling right now...so far so good.>>
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Re: [Biofuel] gelled rebatch

2006-05-08 Thread Mike Weaver 
And what happened to the REST of the hemp plant?

Appal Energy wrote:

>Ryan,
>
>Once, a bit over six years ago, I rather hastily put together a gallon 
>of what I thought would be biodiesel from hempseed oil. Sure enough, it 
>glopped out. I racked my brain as to what went wrong and could come up 
>with nothing, believing that I'd done everything to the tee.
>
>Over the next year, we processed more than 2,000 gallons from the same 
>stores of hempseed oil. Not a problem.
>
>The only possible reason for one small failure out of so much volume? 
>Human error. It happens. Taking notes helps reduce the possibilities of 
>such. Racking your brain often helps resolve others.
>
>You might ask yourself what it was that made you think your first go 
>'round was too soapy.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
>
>
>Ryan Pope wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I attempeted to post this last week. Didn't come through due to 
>>glitches of some sort.
>>
>>*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>I made my first small batch last Wednesday, and it turned out OK; I 
>>thought it had a little too much soapiness, so I reprocessed it. 100ml 
>>methnol, 3.5g NaOH, 1.5hrs, as per directions. After settling, I had a 
>>nasty lump of gelled stuff. I thought maybe it was the cold, it did 
>>get down to 45-50 F that night. Brought the jug indoors overnight. 
>>Nope, still thick. Better, but still gooey.
>>
>>Anyway, can you overprocess? What happens if you do?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Ryan
>>
>>*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>
>>SINCE THEN;
>>
>>I'm thinking it was all the container I used. It was a LDPE container, 
>>and I think the finished diesel dissolved some plastic that the SVO 
>>the first time didn't. Add heat, and it dissolved even more. My 
>>original question is still valid though...can you OVERprocess? And 
>>what happens?
>>
>>
>>And my second small trial batch is settling right now...so far so good.
>>
>>Ryan
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] gelled rebatch

2006-05-08 Thread Appal Energy 
Ryan,

Once, a bit over six years ago, I rather hastily put together a gallon 
of what I thought would be biodiesel from hempseed oil. Sure enough, it 
glopped out. I racked my brain as to what went wrong and could come up 
with nothing, believing that I'd done everything to the tee.

Over the next year, we processed more than 2,000 gallons from the same 
stores of hempseed oil. Not a problem.

The only possible reason for one small failure out of so much volume? 
Human error. It happens. Taking notes helps reduce the possibilities of 
such. Racking your brain often helps resolve others.

You might ask yourself what it was that made you think your first go 
'round was too soapy.

Todd Swearingen



Ryan Pope wrote:

> I attempeted to post this last week. Didn't come through due to 
> glitches of some sort.
>
> *-*-*-*-*-*-*
> I made my first small batch last Wednesday, and it turned out OK; I 
> thought it had a little too much soapiness, so I reprocessed it. 100ml 
> methnol, 3.5g NaOH, 1.5hrs, as per directions. After settling, I had a 
> nasty lump of gelled stuff. I thought maybe it was the cold, it did 
> get down to 45-50 F that night. Brought the jug indoors overnight. 
> Nope, still thick. Better, but still gooey.
>
> Anyway, can you overprocess? What happens if you do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
> *-*-*-*-*-*-*
>
> SINCE THEN;
>
> I'm thinking it was all the container I used. It was a LDPE container, 
> and I think the finished diesel dissolved some plastic that the SVO 
> the first time didn't. Add heat, and it dissolved even more. My 
> original question is still valid though...can you OVERprocess? And 
> what happens?
>
>
> And my second small trial batch is settling right now...so far so good.
>
> Ryan
>
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Re: [Biofuel] gelled rebatch

2006-05-07 Thread JJJN 
Ryan,

You should spend the next evening reading. Not just spots but all of it. 
Then start at the beginning, this is not for the weak willed you will 
get an education and have made many many small batches before you come 
out of the cloud. (as I call it anyway) Its all at the site. But my 
advise is start small, Virgin Oil, eliminate variables be sure to keep 
heat right - an old crock pot is good, But use a really GOOD scale for 
measuring that 3.5 grams. Don't get carried away with mixing if you are 
using a blender, they tend to suck in oxygen and create goop if you do, 
but make sure the stuff gets mixed - Ok thats all from me but I'm just 
repeating so do yourself a favor and spend more evenings reading JtF 
than mixing, you ll be amazed, and by the way this is science and in 
science we must measure VERY carefully for results that can be recorded 
and REPEATED. Without measurement we are just ..well George Bushes.

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I wish you the best

Jim



Ryan Pope wrote:

> I attempeted to post this last week. Didn't come through due to 
> glitches of some sort.
>
> *-*-*-*-*-*-*
> I made my first small batch last Wednesday, and it turned out OK; I 
> thought it had a little too much soapiness, so I reprocessed it. 100ml 
> methnol, 3.5g NaOH, 1.5hrs, as per directions. After settling, I had a 
> nasty lump of gelled stuff. I thought maybe it was the cold, it did 
> get down to 45-50 F that night. Brought the jug indoors overnight. 
> Nope, still thick. Better, but still gooey.
>
> Anyway, can you overprocess? What happens if you do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
> *-*-*-*-*-*-*
>
> SINCE THEN;
>
> I'm thinking it was all the container I used. It was a LDPE container, 
> and I think the finished diesel dissolved some plastic that the SVO 
> the first time didn't. Add heat, and it dissolved even more. My 
> original question is still valid though...can you OVERprocess? And 
> what happens?
>
>
> And my second small trial batch is settling right now...so far so good.
>
> Ryan
>
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[Biofuel] gelled rebatch

2006-05-07 Thread Ryan Pope 
I attempeted to post this last week.  Didn't come through due to glitches of 
some sort.


*-*-*-*-*-*-*
   I made my first small batch last Wednesday, and it turned out OK; I 
thought it had a little too much soapiness, so I reprocessed it. 100ml 
methnol, 3.5g NaOH, 1.5hrs, as per directions.  After settling, I had a 
nasty lump of gelled stuff.  I thought maybe it was the cold, it did get 
down to 45-50 F that night.  Brought the jug indoors overnight.  Nope, still 
thick.  Better, but still gooey.


Anyway, can you overprocess?  What happens if you do?

   Thanks,

  Ryan

*-*-*-*-*-*-*

SINCE THEN;

  I'm thinking it was all the container I used.  It was a LDPE container, 
and I think the finished diesel dissolved some plastic that the SVO the 
first time didn't.  Add heat, and it dissolved even more.  My original 
question is still valid though...can you OVERprocess?  And what happens?



  And my second small trial batch is settling right now...so far so good.

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