[Biofuel] removing water from ethanol / methanol

2007-05-03 Thread doug swanson
I've been wondering about a reverse osmosis filtering system, whether or 
not it would be able to remove water from ethanol or methanol.  Maybe it 
would take a different membrane from the one commonly used to filter 
impurities from water, if it would work at all.  Seems like there might 
be less energy used in that process than refractory distillation, or 
using a molecular sieve.

Any ideas?

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Re: [Biofuel] removing water from ethanol / methanol

2007-05-03 Thread José María Montenegro

I'm not really sure, but the way of working of reverse osmosis is to
separate a concentrated solution (of one/various solid in a liquid) between
an very-low concentrated solution and a very-high solution.  But it is the
case of solids solved in liquids.  The problem between
methanol-ethanol/water is that they are both miscible liquids, so the
technique, in this case, I think it's not applicable.

The refractory distillation and molecular sieves are totally different ways
to purificate, but are the best to separate miscible liquids.


2007/5/3, doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


I've been wondering about a reverse osmosis filtering system, whether or
not it would be able to remove water from ethanol or methanol.  Maybe it
would take a different membrane from the one commonly used to filter
impurities from water, if it would work at all.  Seems like there might
be less energy used in that process than refractory distillation, or
using a molecular sieve.

Any ideas?

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Re: [Biofuel] removing water from ethanol / methanol

2007-05-03 Thread Ken Provost



2007/5/3, doug swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've been wondering about a reverse osmosis filtering system,  
whether or
not it would be able to remove water from ethanol or methanol.   
Maybe it

would take a different membrane from the one commonly used to filter
impurities from water, if it would work at all.  Seems like there  
might

be less energy used in that process than refractory distillation, or
using a molecular sieve.



It's called pervaporation:

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