[biofuel] Bio-D or WVO storage
You can find excellent 275 gal. cube shaped plastic tanks that big trucking outfits buy thier motor oil in. The tanks have large screw- cap openings in the top and a large drain with valve on the side near the bottom. The tanks are in a heavy wire cage to facilitate moving when full and they sit on a metal palate. They are usually free. I got 8 from a concrete mixing company. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??
Hello Alan, Todd,
Perhaps you should try nard oil or its ester in the wick to add that dash of
romance to the atmosphere. Don't count the cost, though. {;-)
Regards,
balaji
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> Now, now, now, Allen,
>
> We backward types have been romancing with pure veg oil lamps for
thousands
> of years now. Biodiesel is no less of a flame enhancer.
>
> Perhaps you might want to throw a little neem or tea tree or your favorite
> essential oil into the fray to induce the mood you and yours would care
to.
>
> Not too many that I know of swoon to the scent of kerosene.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alan Petrillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??
>
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I was hoping someone could settle a disagreement my brother and I are
> > > having. In preparation for Hurricane Charley, I broke out the wick
lamp
> > > and first off started with biodiesel. As Keith says on his website,
it
> is
> > > hard to get top travel up the wick, but I was able to soak the wick
> enough
> > > to get it to light and it burned great. Because my brother is afraid
of
> > > burning it in the house, I switched to kerosene and now he'ss aying
teh
> > > whole system is contaminated. So I have 2 questions. First, if I
burn
> > > biodiesel in a wick lamp like this, am I risking CO poisoning or any
> other
> > > noxious fumes? Second, if for some reason it is mixed with kero, does
> it
> > > become more toxic than either chemical alone. Thanks-
> >
> > You aren't risking CO poisoning any more than any other combustion
> > device used inside. Keep the windows open, and you should be alright
> > with that. Other emissions will be lower with BD.
> >
> > What you will find is that the odor of the burning biodiesel indoors
> > will QUICKLY become overpowering. Just after I got started making BD my
> > girlfriend and I tried it in a couple of little wick lamps. We found it
> > was most decidedly NOT conducive to a romantic atmosphere when your
> > whole house smells like a grease fire.
> >
> > For outdoor use, no problem. For indoor use, only if you have
> > absolutely NOTHING else.
> >
> >
> > BTW: How did you weather the storm? I'm in St. Petersburg, and the
> > worst we got was minor flooding in our parking lot. We were holding our
> > collective breath for a couple of days, though.
> >
> >
> > AP
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Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??
Now, now, now, Allen, We backward types have been romancing with pure veg oil lamps for thousands of years now. Biodiesel is no less of a flame enhancer. Perhaps you might want to throw a little neem or tea tree or your favorite essential oil into the fray to induce the mood you and yours would care to. Not too many that I know of swoon to the scent of kerosene. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Alan Petrillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house?? > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I was hoping someone could settle a disagreement my brother and I are > > having. In preparation for Hurricane Charley, I broke out the wick lamp > > and first off started with biodiesel. As Keith says on his website, it is > > hard to get top travel up the wick, but I was able to soak the wick enough > > to get it to light and it burned great. Because my brother is afraid of > > burning it in the house, I switched to kerosene and now he'ss aying teh > > whole system is contaminated. So I have 2 questions. First, if I burn > > biodiesel in a wick lamp like this, am I risking CO poisoning or any other > > noxious fumes? Second, if for some reason it is mixed with kero, does it > > become more toxic than either chemical alone. Thanks- > > You aren't risking CO poisoning any more than any other combustion > device used inside. Keep the windows open, and you should be alright > with that. Other emissions will be lower with BD. > > What you will find is that the odor of the burning biodiesel indoors > will QUICKLY become overpowering. Just after I got started making BD my > girlfriend and I tried it in a couple of little wick lamps. We found it > was most decidedly NOT conducive to a romantic atmosphere when your > whole house smells like a grease fire. > > For outdoor use, no problem. For indoor use, only if you have > absolutely NOTHING else. > > > BTW: How did you weather the storm? I'm in St. Petersburg, and the > worst we got was minor flooding in our parking lot. We were holding our > collective breath for a couple of days, though. > > > AP > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was hoping someone could settle a disagreement my brother and I are > having. In preparation for Hurricane Charley, I broke out the wick lamp > and first off started with biodiesel. As Keith says on his website, it is > hard to get top travel up the wick, but I was able to soak the wick enough > to get it to light and it burned great. Because my brother is afraid of > burning it in the house, I switched to kerosene and now he'ss aying teh > whole system is contaminated. So I have 2 questions. First, if I burn > biodiesel in a wick lamp like this, am I risking CO poisoning or any other > noxious fumes? Second, if for some reason it is mixed with kero, does it > become more toxic than either chemical alone. Thanks- You aren't risking CO poisoning any more than any other combustion device used inside. Keep the windows open, and you should be alright with that. Other emissions will be lower with BD. What you will find is that the odor of the burning biodiesel indoors will QUICKLY become overpowering. Just after I got started making BD my girlfriend and I tried it in a couple of little wick lamps. We found it was most decidedly NOT conducive to a romantic atmosphere when your whole house smells like a grease fire. For outdoor use, no problem. For indoor use, only if you have absolutely NOTHING else. BTW: How did you weather the storm? I'm in St. Petersburg, and the worst we got was minor flooding in our parking lot. We were holding our collective breath for a couple of days, though. AP Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??
Hello J.D. >I was hoping someone could settle a disagreement my brother and I are >having. In preparation for Hurricane Charley, I broke out the wick lamp >and first off started with biodiesel. As Keith says on his website, it is >hard to get top travel up the wick, I've also said it depends on the wick. It can be done. Anyway, if you can get it to work properly, it'll certainly be safer than kerosene, so if you think kerosene's safe then go right ahead. >but I was able to soak the wick enough >to get it to light and it burned great. For how long? Did it draw up more fuel after it burned the fuel you soaked it with? >Because my brother is afraid of >burning it in the house, I switched to kerosene and now he'ss aying teh >whole system is contaminated. So I have 2 questions. First, if I burn >biodiesel in a wick lamp like this, am I risking CO poisoning or any other >noxious fumes? If you burn anything in an enclosed space there'll be CO, but less so with biodiesel than with kerosene. Biodiesel's CO emissions are lower than petrodiesel's, which is about the same as kerosene. That's in a diesel motor, but why would a wick lamp be any different in this? I doubt the temp and compression are much of a factor, in this at least. We burn biodiesel in a kerosene pressure stove, it burns better and it's certainly cleaner. Biodiesel also burns well in Petromax pressure lanterns, again it'll be much cleaner than kerosene. >Second, if for some reason it is mixed with kero, does it >become more toxic than either chemical alone. Again, are B20 emissions more toxic than those of B100 or of 100% petrodiesel? Why would he think that? There's no basis for it at all, and every reason to think the opposite. Best Keith > Thanks- >J.D. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bio-D in a wick lamp-safe for use in teh house??
I was hoping someone could settle a disagreement my brother and I are having. In preparation for Hurricane Charley, I broke out the wick lamp and first off started with biodiesel. As Keith says on his website, it is hard to get top travel up the wick, but I was able to soak the wick enough to get it to light and it burned great. Because my brother is afraid of burning it in the house, I switched to kerosene and now he'ss aying teh whole system is contaminated. So I have 2 questions. First, if I burn biodiesel in a wick lamp like this, am I risking CO poisoning or any other noxious fumes? Second, if for some reason it is mixed with kero, does it become more toxic than either chemical alone. Thanks- J.D. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
Sorry for the delayed reply, just started catching up with a few weeks worth of posts. I think it was the Weinstephan University in Germany (those of rape oil fuel quality standard fame) who did testing of cold pressed rapeseed oil for chainsaw oil. There is/was a .pdf file of the report somewhere out there (in German). Also various other references to this study (try google) They found it superior to normal chain oil, if the flow rate was adjustable it could be set at the lowest and still give great lubrication. As I earn most of my money swinging around trees with a chainsaw I've had ample opportunity to give this a good go in a number of different Stihl saws and have had no adverse effects. Due to cost and availability I've been using hexane extracted rapeseed oil (what you get in supermarkets - not cold pressed) and decided not to adjust the flow rate. Darren > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 17 May 2004 06:51 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube? > > I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw today, > and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a good non-toxic > household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with what good bar > and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim > sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal engine parts > are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily replaced as > are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? > Thanks, J.D. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
The better bar lubricants have very small but visible to the human eye short hairs of plastic / nylon to reduce the sling off of the oil. When 30 weight mineral based lube oil is used the sling off rate is huge so the oil leaves the chain quickly. If you cut hard ( oaks ) or very hard ( mesquite ) the cost of chain and bar wear is many times that of good oil Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
> Any thoughts on alternative fuels for chainsaws? > > George > > George Page > www.seabreezefarm.net > Vashon Island, WA USA > -Original Message- > From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:57 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube? > > > Hi J.D. > > > > Keith, Gustl, > >The saw is a Stihl 025 with an 18" bar and a replaceable floating rim > >sprocket so that replacement isn't much. > > Same as ours, but yours is bigger. I'm not sure about the floating > rim sprocket. Trouble is, it's in bits and pieces. It came with the, > um, house, and it was like that when we arrived (a bit like the > house). I've looked at it threateningly a few times, close enough to > ascertain that all the bits seem to be there, but it's still in its > box. We've been using circular saws up to now, but we have need of a > working chainsaw, I'll have to do more than just threaten it soon. If > it works, I'll definitely try biodiesel as lube, and also as 2-stroke > oil. Hm, I'll probably need a junked one for spares, have to put in > an order with the Gomi Kame (the God of Junk, upon whom we depend > rather heavily, he's most cooperative). > > >Some components are near the end > >of their anticipated useful life so I'm not running that big of a risk. > I > >am not a professional logger, but I do cut a fair bit of firewood, dead > >trees and waste from construction sites that would otherwise be wasted > and > >make a little "something for nothing" from it. > > Yes, quite, so do we. Good for you. > > >I just got the idea and > >poured it in. I can tell that it is working so far as it has that bit > of > >spray you all talked about from the end of the bar. I have only run it > >this way for about 15-20 minutes. I will keep you posted. > > Please. > > >I think teh > >saw itself might outlast me at the rate I'm using it now. Keith you > are > >right, Stihl makes a vegoil based bar and chain lube. I was interested > in > >it because it is renewable, but the dealer said you'd have to special > >order taht in the U.S., but that was a few years back. > > Surely it must be more common than special-order status. It's been > discussed here before, how much dino-muck gets spouted around forests > by chainsaws. IIRC it's common in Northern Europe, and I think Canada. > > Ed, don't Neoteric sell that stuff? Canola-based? > > Best > > Keith > > > >J.D.> > > >>Hallo J.D., > > >> > > >>Monday, 17 May, 2004, 01:51:19, you wrote: > > >> > > >>kmgn> I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my > chainsaw > > >> today, > > >>kmgn> and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a > > >>good non-toxic > > >>kmgn> household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with > > >>what good bar > > >>kmgn> and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating > rim > > >>kmgn> sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal > > >>engine parts > > >>kmgn> are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily > > >> replaced as > > >>kmgn> are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all > think? > > >>kmgn> Thanks, J.D. > > >> > > >>I would think that biodiesel is too thin to do the job but that > is > > >>just a guess. I wouldn't use a good chain saw to test it on. > No > > >>problems "so far" is just that, so far. It also has to lubricate > the > > >>bar and chain as well and needs to stick to those parts as much > as > > >>possible. Have you ever noticed how much weigh oil comes off the > end > > >>of that bar as you are cutting? And that is a heavy oil. Chains, > bars > > >>and sprockets aren't cheap, at least not to me. Let us know how > it > > >>goes though. Who knows, it could do the trick. > > > > > > Caution is advised, yes, but I think viscosity and lubricity are not > > > the same. Two different problems perhaps - biodiesel might well do > > > the lubrication job well, but could get "used up" faster because > it's > &g
RE: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
Any thoughts on alternative fuels for chainsaws? George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:57 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube? Hi J.D. > > Keith, Gustl, >The saw is a Stihl 025 with an 18" bar and a replaceable floating rim >sprocket so that replacement isn't much. Same as ours, but yours is bigger. I'm not sure about the floating rim sprocket. Trouble is, it's in bits and pieces. It came with the, um, house, and it was like that when we arrived (a bit like the house). I've looked at it threateningly a few times, close enough to ascertain that all the bits seem to be there, but it's still in its box. We've been using circular saws up to now, but we have need of a working chainsaw, I'll have to do more than just threaten it soon. If it works, I'll definitely try biodiesel as lube, and also as 2-stroke oil. Hm, I'll probably need a junked one for spares, have to put in an order with the Gomi Kame (the God of Junk, upon whom we depend rather heavily, he's most cooperative). >Some components are near the end >of their anticipated useful life so I'm not running that big of a risk. I >am not a professional logger, but I do cut a fair bit of firewood, dead >trees and waste from construction sites that would otherwise be wasted and >make a little "something for nothing" from it. Yes, quite, so do we. Good for you. >I just got the idea and >poured it in. I can tell that it is working so far as it has that bit of >spray you all talked about from the end of the bar. I have only run it >this way for about 15-20 minutes. I will keep you posted. Please. >I think teh >saw itself might outlast me at the rate I'm using it now. Keith you are >right, Stihl makes a vegoil based bar and chain lube. I was interested in >it because it is renewable, but the dealer said you'd have to special >order taht in the U.S., but that was a few years back. Surely it must be more common than special-order status. It's been discussed here before, how much dino-muck gets spouted around forests by chainsaws. IIRC it's common in Northern Europe, and I think Canada. Ed, don't Neoteric sell that stuff? Canola-based? Best Keith >J.D.> > >>Hallo J.D., > >> > >>Monday, 17 May, 2004, 01:51:19, you wrote: > >> > >>kmgn> I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw > >> today, > >>kmgn> and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a > >>good non-toxic > >>kmgn> household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with > >>what good bar > >>kmgn> and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim > >>kmgn> sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal > >>engine parts > >>kmgn> are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily > >> replaced as > >>kmgn> are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? > >>kmgn> Thanks, J.D. > >> > >>I would think that biodiesel is too thin to do the job but that is > >>just a guess. I wouldn't use a good chain saw to test it on. No > >>problems "so far" is just that, so far. It also has to lubricate the > >>bar and chain as well and needs to stick to those parts as much as > >>possible. Have you ever noticed how much weigh oil comes off the end > >>of that bar as you are cutting? And that is a heavy oil. Chains, bars > >>and sprockets aren't cheap, at least not to me. Let us know how it > >>goes though. Who knows, it could do the trick. > > > > Caution is advised, yes, but I think viscosity and lubricity are not > > the same. Two different problems perhaps - biodiesel might well do > > the lubrication job well, but could get "used up" faster because it's > > thinner. > > > > We've had a few reports of people using it as chainsaw bar&chain lube > > with success, but no long-term reports. So please keep us advised, > > J.D., even if it self-destructs. > > > > I believe there are vegoil-based chainsaw lubricants available. > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > >>Happy Happy, > >> > >>Gustl > >>-- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http:/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
Hi J.D. > > Keith, Gustl, >The saw is a Stihl 025 with an 18" bar and a replaceable floating rim >sprocket so that replacement isn't much. Same as ours, but yours is bigger. I'm not sure about the floating rim sprocket. Trouble is, it's in bits and pieces. It came with the, um, house, and it was like that when we arrived (a bit like the house). I've looked at it threateningly a few times, close enough to ascertain that all the bits seem to be there, but it's still in its box. We've been using circular saws up to now, but we have need of a working chainsaw, I'll have to do more than just threaten it soon. If it works, I'll definitely try biodiesel as lube, and also as 2-stroke oil. Hm, I'll probably need a junked one for spares, have to put in an order with the Gomi Kame (the God of Junk, upon whom we depend rather heavily, he's most cooperative). >Some components are near the end >of their anticipated useful life so I'm not running that big of a risk. I >am not a professional logger, but I do cut a fair bit of firewood, dead >trees and waste from construction sites that would otherwise be wasted and >make a little "something for nothing" from it. Yes, quite, so do we. Good for you. >I just got the idea and >poured it in. I can tell that it is working so far as it has that bit of >spray you all talked about from the end of the bar. I have only run it >this way for about 15-20 minutes. I will keep you posted. Please. >I think teh >saw itself might outlast me at the rate I'm using it now. Keith you are >right, Stihl makes a vegoil based bar and chain lube. I was interested in >it because it is renewable, but the dealer said you'd have to special >order taht in the U.S., but that was a few years back. Surely it must be more common than special-order status. It's been discussed here before, how much dino-muck gets spouted around forests by chainsaws. IIRC it's common in Northern Europe, and I think Canada. Ed, don't Neoteric sell that stuff? Canola-based? Best Keith >J.D.> > >>Hallo J.D., > >> > >>Monday, 17 May, 2004, 01:51:19, you wrote: > >> > >>kmgn> I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw > >> today, > >>kmgn> and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a > >>good non-toxic > >>kmgn> household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with > >>what good bar > >>kmgn> and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim > >>kmgn> sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal > >>engine parts > >>kmgn> are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily > >> replaced as > >>kmgn> are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? > >>kmgn> Thanks, J.D. > >> > >>I would think that biodiesel is too thin to do the job but that is > >>just a guess. I wouldn't use a good chain saw to test it on. No > >>problems "so far" is just that, so far. It also has to lubricate the > >>bar and chain as well and needs to stick to those parts as much as > >>possible. Have you ever noticed how much weigh oil comes off the end > >>of that bar as you are cutting? And that is a heavy oil. Chains, bars > >>and sprockets aren't cheap, at least not to me. Let us know how it > >>goes though. Who knows, it could do the trick. > > > > Caution is advised, yes, but I think viscosity and lubricity are not > > the same. Two different problems perhaps - biodiesel might well do > > the lubrication job well, but could get "used up" faster because it's > > thinner. > > > > We've had a few reports of people using it as chainsaw bar&chain lube > > with success, but no long-term reports. So please keep us advised, > > J.D., even if it self-destructs. > > > > I believe there are vegoil-based chainsaw lubricants available. > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > >>Happy Happy, > >> > >>Gustl > >>-- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
I believe that you will find the viscosity of biodiesel to be less compatible with the oil feed system of the lube resevoir than you think. Chances are very good that it will flow too readily unless modified. Also, you will probably find that the lower viscosity will mean that biodiesel will not "cling" to moving parts and leave as thick a lubricating film as bar and chain oil. But the only real determinate will be to conduct a side-by-side life cycle test under real world conditions. Keep an eye on the flow rate of the biodiesel, however. "X" numbers of operation should consume the same amount of lubricant, unless, of course, more of one lubricant is required than another in order to achieve the same cutting capacity. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:51 AM Subject: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube? > I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw today, > and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a good non-toxic > household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with what good bar > and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim > sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal engine parts > are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily replaced as > are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? > Thanks, J.D. > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
> Keith, Gustl, The saw is a Stihl 025 with an 18" bar and a replaceable floating rim sprocket so that replacement isn't much. Some components are near the end of their anticipated useful life so I'm not running that big of a risk. I am not a professional logger, but I do cut a fair bit of firewood, dead trees and waste from construction sites that would otherwise be wasted and make a little "something for nothing" from it. I just got the idea and poured it in. I can tell that it is working so far as it has that bit of spray you all talked about from the end of the bar. I have only run it this way for about 15-20 minutes. I will keep you posted. I think teh saw itself might outlast me at the rate I'm using it now. Keith you are right, Stihl makes a vegoil based bar and chain lube. I was interested in it because it is renewable, but the dealer said you'd have to special order taht in the U.S., but that was a few years back. J.D.> >>Hallo J.D., >> >>Monday, 17 May, 2004, 01:51:19, you wrote: >> >>kmgn> I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw >> today, >>kmgn> and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a >>good non-toxic >>kmgn> household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with >>what good bar >>kmgn> and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim >>kmgn> sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal >>engine parts >>kmgn> are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily >> replaced as >>kmgn> are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? >>kmgn> Thanks, J.D. >> >>I would think that biodiesel is too thin to do the job but that is >>just a guess. I wouldn't use a good chain saw to test it on. No >>problems "so far" is just that, so far. It also has to lubricate the >>bar and chain as well and needs to stick to those parts as much as >>possible. Have you ever noticed how much weigh oil comes off the end >>of that bar as you are cutting? And that is a heavy oil. Chains, bars >>and sprockets aren't cheap, at least not to me. Let us know how it >>goes though. Who knows, it could do the trick. > > Caution is advised, yes, but I think viscosity and lubricity are not > the same. Two different problems perhaps - biodiesel might well do > the lubrication job well, but could get "used up" faster because it's > thinner. > > We've had a few reports of people using it as chainsaw bar&chain lube > with success, but no long-term reports. So please keep us advised, > J.D., even if it self-destructs. > > I believe there are vegoil-based chainsaw lubricants available. > > Best > > Keith > > >>Happy Happy, >> >>Gustl >>-- > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
Hello Gustl, J.D. >Hallo J.D., > >Monday, 17 May, 2004, 01:51:19, you wrote: > >kmgn> I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw today, >kmgn> and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a >good non-toxic >kmgn> household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with >what good bar >kmgn> and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim >kmgn> sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal >engine parts >kmgn> are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily replaced as >kmgn> are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? >kmgn> Thanks, J.D. > >I would think that biodiesel is too thin to do the job but that is >just a guess. I wouldn't use a good chain saw to test it on. No >problems "so far" is just that, so far. It also has to lubricate the >bar and chain as well and needs to stick to those parts as much as >possible. Have you ever noticed how much weigh oil comes off the end >of that bar as you are cutting? And that is a heavy oil. Chains, bars >and sprockets aren't cheap, at least not to me. Let us know how it >goes though. Who knows, it could do the trick. Caution is advised, yes, but I think viscosity and lubricity are not the same. Two different problems perhaps - biodiesel might well do the lubrication job well, but could get "used up" faster because it's thinner. We've had a few reports of people using it as chainsaw bar&chain lube with success, but no long-term reports. So please keep us advised, J.D., even if it self-destructs. I believe there are vegoil-based chainsaw lubricants available. Best Keith >Happy Happy, > >Gustl >-- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D as a chainsaw bar&chain lube?
Hallo J.D., Monday, 17 May, 2004, 01:51:19, you wrote: kmgn> I tried some of my test batch in teh oil reservior on my chainsaw today, kmgn> and so far noproblems. I read on the JTF site that it is a good non-toxic kmgn> household and garden lube. Now for those not familiar with what good bar kmgn> and chain lube has to do, it must lubricate the drum, floating rim kmgn> sprocket, the chain sprocket and cutting chain. No internal engine parts kmgn> are affected. All oil pump assy. parts are cheap and easily replaced as kmgn> are most of the other parts I described. WHat do you all think? kmgn> Thanks, J.D. I would think that biodiesel is too thin to do the job but that is just a guess. I wouldn't use a good chain saw to test it on. No problems "so far" is just that, so far. It also has to lubricate the bar and chain as well and needs to stick to those parts as much as possible. Have you ever noticed how much weigh oil comes off the end of that bar as you are cutting? And that is a heavy oil. Chains, bars and sprockets aren't cheap, at least not to me. Let us know how it goes though. Who knows, it could do the trick. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bio-D
>There are a few guys out here in KS starting to experiment with our first >batches of biodiesel. We're looking for some additional information on >using ethanol rather than methanol for the transesterification (one guy owns >a nice still)--does this complicate the process? Is there some good >information about it someone could refer us to? > >Thanks! >Matt Cantrell Hello Matt The information you need is below. Note however that ethanol must be dry to make ethyl esters. The purest ethanol that can be produced by ordinary distillation is only 95.6% pure, the rest being water, which interferes with the transesterification reaction in making ethyl ester. You'll find information in the references below. What kind of still does your friend have? I'd be interested to know the output rate and the proof it produces. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ From: Ethanol resources on the Web: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html Ethanol biodiesel "Optimization of a Batch Type Ethyl Ester Process" -- a sure-fire recipe for biodiesel from ethanol (which you can make yourself), instead of methanol (which is toxic, fossil-fuel derived, and you can't make it yourself). Go to Biofuels Library. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Production and Testing of Ethyl and Methyl Esters http://www.biodiesel.org/reports/GEN-005.html Making and Testing a Biodiesel Fuel Made From Ethanol and Waste French-Fry Oil (Acrobat File) http://www.biodiesel.org/reports/GEN-152.pdf Hydrogenated Soy Ethyl Ester (HySEE) Process Refinement (Acrobat File) http://www.biodiesel.org/reports/GEN-153.pdf Transesterification Process to Manufacture Ethyl Ester of Rape Oil (Acrobat File) http://www.biodiesel.org/reports/GEN-250.pdf Cornmeal Adsorber for Dehydrating Ethanol Vapors -- by Michael R. Ladisch et al., Laboratory of Renewable Resources Engineering, Purdue University. To make ethyl esters the ethanol must be anhydrous -- no water content. About half the ethanol now produced in the US is dried using corn grits. When the corn's drying capacity is worn out, it can be fermented and distilled to make more ethanol. This 1981 paper is the original work on the subject. Go to the Biofuels Library. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html See also "The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel", Chapter 12, Drying the alcohol (full text online): http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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There are a few guys out here in KS starting to experiment with our first batches of biodiesel. We're looking for some additional information on using ethanol rather than methanol for the transesterification (one guy owns a nice still)--does this complicate the process? Is there some good information about it someone could refer us to? Thanks! Matt Cantrell Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
