Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:46 pm, bratt wrote: Because I study the Bible, I could give a complete and rational explanation of why they feel Biblical material is possibly hate literature, but the establishment might shut down this site. (aside: this is not a dig at you being religeous) have you considered they are doing it for the amusement value? I mean, consider how boring postal work must be... (I collect minerals. So I really cannot pick on anyones beliefs ;-) However, once when comming back from Hawaii, luggage about 20 kg overweight, they still wanted to look at the luggage... not because I might have soil, a quarantine issue, but because they wanted to see what I got... I had about 5 or 6 custom workers all clustered around my suitcase while I unwrapped about a dozen of the better specimens I had purchased or found, with a growing line of travellers waiting for attention... I didn't mind :-) ) -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
One of the first things I taught my kids as they were old enough to move out on their own was to never pay bills by Canada post. Too many letters get lost in that system. Of course they didn't listen and had to pay to reconnect their telephones, but they did learn. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:59 AM 3/31/2003 -0700, you wrote: As an American dealing with a Canadian, for several months, I haven't had a problem with the Canadian postal service, why do you say that it can be downright moronic? Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Paul: The postal workers wouldn't be opening my mail for amusement value. Maybe for vindictiveness. Supposedly they are looking for racist content. The Bible itself is very racist, and lays the groundwork for the conflicts you see today.It includes the detailed origins and circumstance of cultural groups that are still in existance, and are still settling the same old accounts. ie: Jacob and Esau (and Esau's kin). For amusement they have access to reams of pornography, and DVD's to check out. They have to exclude from import all material that depict acts degrading to women. (seems to me it that should include almost all of it) There have been complaints of missing mail, including porno, which I expect some inspectors found so amusing that they took it home. Nice work if you can get it? Ed - Original Message - From: paul van den bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 01:46 pm, bratt wrote: Because I study the Bible, I could give a complete and rational explanation of why they feel Biblical material is possibly hate literature, but the establishment might shut down this site. (aside: this is not a dig at you being religeous) have you considered they are doing it for the amusement value? I mean, consider how boring postal work must be... (I collect minerals. So I really cannot pick on anyones beliefs ;-) However, once when comming back from Hawaii, luggage about 20 kg overweight, they still wanted to look at the luggage... not because I might have soil, a quarantine issue, but because they wanted to see what I got... I had about 5 or 6 custom workers all clustered around my suitcase while I unwrapped about a dozen of the better specimens I had purchased or found, with a growing line of travellers waiting for attention... I didn't mind :-) ) -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Let it be said and let it be done!!! I think this Don Lancaster has a moronic streak. He has a bunch of information and cans it in PDF files. If anything deserves boycotting its PDF files. PDF is antiquated, slow, and totally unsuitable for large volume publication use. I had to scan s-l-o-w-l-y through hundreds of pages to find information because there is no way to relate the index of the manuscript to the pdf page numbers, which makes the six page index absolutely worthless. They should stick their pdf files wher the sun don't shine, or shelve it along with the hammer and chisel, clay tablets, and sidewalk chalk. Ed - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Don Lancaster (computer guru and other nom de plume) www.tinaja.com on page 2 of his http://www.tinaja.com/glib/myebays.pdf EBay secrets says no foreign bidders, not just Canadian. Why? Because it is a hassle. BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Kirk -Original Message- From: John Mullan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to line their pockets(oil) and you can't do a damn thing about it, and not buying McDonalds(meat shipped
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
And he do not deserve to be reelected either. Two wrong things does not make one right. Hakan At 06:24 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, you wrote: A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
In a message dated 3/31/03 6:33:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And he do not deserve to be reelected either. Two wrong things does not make one right. Hakan At 06:24 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, you wrote: A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan LOLgood to see some humor in all this I also did not know of the boycott, and also do not believe 2 wrongs make a right. Common sense and sensibilities need to be maintained
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
On the other hand, there is a Toronto Ontario radio station that has banned peace songs for the duration of the assault on Iraq. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum In a message dated 3/31/03 6:33:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And he do not deserve to be reelected either. Two wrong things does not make one right. Hakan At 06:24 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, you wrote: A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also
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As an American dealing with a Canadian, for several months, I haven't had a problem with the Canadian postal service, why do you say that it can be downright moronic? Greg H. - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 22:56 Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I don't think that he can, because it is freedom of speech. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 04:24 Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
So what's your sample size there Greg? Did you read Don's piece? Don is a no BS kind of guy. I've corresponded and talked on the phone with him off and on since probably 8 or 10 years ago. If he says the Canadian post office refused his first class mail they refused his first class mail. If the postage is in full and it is not pornography there is no reason -- except moronic dim bulbs in positions of authority. The other ebay problem I've had is Canadians. They instruct me to put the value on the declaration to be $1. Seems I'm the one liable in that transaction. Gee, Kirk -- you sold that for $1? How do you do that when ebay wants $2 for the auction? Do you make it up in volume? Could we see the receipt please? Yeah-- sure. Would Americans ask the same thing in that circumstance? Probably yes. People are people. But I don't have that paperwork with a US sale. So I don't get asked to perjure myself. Less hassles. I like it that way. Kirk -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:00 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum As an American dealing with a Canadian, for several months, I haven't had a problem with the Canadian postal service, why do you say that it can be downright moronic? Greg H. - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 22:56 Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Never had a chance, between computer problems, and Yahoo. I saw your message and asked about it, because I didn't see what it was referring to. I was just asking the question that's all. Greg H. - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:30 Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum So what's your sample size there Greg? Did you read Don's piece? Don is a no BS kind of guy. I've corresponded and talked on the phone with him off and on since probably 8 or 10 years ago. If he says the Canadian post office refused his first class mail they refused his first class mail. If the postage is in full and it is not pornography there is no reason -- except moronic dim bulbs in positions of authority. The other ebay problem I've had is Canadians. They instruct me to put the value on the declaration to be $1. Seems I'm the one liable in that transaction. Gee, Kirk -- you sold that for $1? How do you do that when ebay wants $2 for the auction? Do you make it up in volume? Could we see the receipt please? Yeah-- sure. Would Americans ask the same thing in that circumstance? Probably yes. People are people. But I don't have that paperwork with a US sale. So I don't get asked to perjure myself. Less hassles. I like it that way. Kirk -Original Message- From: Greg and April [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 9:00 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum As an American dealing with a Canadian, for several months, I haven't had a problem with the Canadian postal service, why do you say that it can be downright moronic? Greg H. - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 22:56 Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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he had the town road crew remove them . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum I don't think that he can, because it is freedom of speech. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 04:24 Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum A town near me in NJ has a mayor who is anti war. He has outlawed yellow ribbons on peoples front lawns. The news says he's currently in hiding. Guess who is not going to get reelected . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
He used town resources to enforce a unconstitutional law based on personal opinion? He is going to get his ass in a sling then. I would be real surprised if he didn't end up in court, for violation of constitutional rights. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 13:09 Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum he had the town road crew remove them . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Dear Greg H., He did not enforce any law, but he did an unconstitutional action. With the President setting such a good example, I do not think any of them will end up in court. But the mayor always can say oops! I thought it was litter, sorry. and the President oops! I thought he was going to attack US and had WMD, sorry. It is human to make mistakes. Hakan At 01:43 PM 3/31/2003 -0700, you wrote: He used town resources to enforce a unconstitutional law based on personal opinion? He is going to get his ass in a sling then. I would be real surprised if he didn't end up in court, for violation of constitutional rights. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 13:09 Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum he had the town road crew remove them . Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Postal service? What? We got that? :-) -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 31, 2003 12:57 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Don Lancaster (computer guru and other nom de plume) www.tinaja.com on page 2 of his http://www.tinaja.com/glib/myebays.pdf EBay secrets says no foreign bidders, not just Canadian. Why? Because it is a hassle. BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Kirk -Original Message- From: John Mullan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Sure we have postal service in Canaduh.. Very efficient lot too. They have been playing an active part in opening and scruitenising my mail for years. The reason being that I study the Bible, and get Bible related material from churches in the US. . The last piece opened had a feature article titled Science Fiction or Gospel with an illustration of St. George slaying a dragon. This highly suspicious booklet was examined, most likely as possible hate literature, either by the post office itself, or by whoever they delivered it to first, rather than to me, the addressee. Because I study the Bible, I could give a complete and rational explanation of why they feel Biblical material is possibly hate literature, but the establishment might shut down this site. Ed Verses for today..John 8:31 - 44 .- Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:43 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Postal service? What? We got that? :-) -Original Message- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 31, 2003 12:57 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Don Lancaster (computer guru and other nom de plume) www.tinaja.com on page 2 of his http://www.tinaja.com/glib/myebays.pdf EBay secrets says no foreign bidders, not just Canadian. Why? Because it is a hassle. BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Kirk -Original Message- From: John Mullan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to line their pockets(oil) and you can't do a damn thing about it, and not buying McDonalds(meat shipped in from another country) and or K-mart(made in China) is not going to hurt anyone in those countries, only the poor working slob here in america... Good Luck I do admire your basic idea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Hi Darryl, What about McDonalds/Budweiser/Texaco/Miller? dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: The boycotts cut both ways. However, if one wants to send a financial message to the U.S. and British administrations, are there any target products that would be particularly effective if boycotted? Darryl McMahon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:06 pm, Jerry wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? actually, if the war etc. really is based on oil (personally I find the US$ as fiat oil currency arguement pretty strong and compelling), then the use of biodiesel is perhaps the most effective personal boycott one can think of... -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to line their pockets(oil) and you can't do a damn thing about it, and not buying McDonalds(meat shipped in from another country) and or K-mart(made in China) is not going to hurt anyone in those countries, only the poor working slob here in america... Good Luck I do admire your basic idea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Hi Darryl, What about McDonalds/Budweiser/Texaco/Miller? dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: The boycotts cut both ways
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
I think this Don Lancaster has a moronic streak. He has a bunch of information and cans it in PDF files. If anything deserves boycotting its PDF files. PDF is antiquated, slow, and totally unsuitable for large volume publication use. I had to scan s-l-o-w-l-y through hundreds of pages to find information because there is no way to relate the index of the manuscript to the pdf page numbers, which makes the six page index absolutely worthless. They should stick their pdf files wher the sun don't shine, or shelve it along with the hammer and chisel, clay tablets, and sidewalk chalk. Ed - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:56 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Don Lancaster (computer guru and other nom de plume) www.tinaja.com on page 2 of his http://www.tinaja.com/glib/myebays.pdf EBay secrets says no foreign bidders, not just Canadian. Why? Because it is a hassle. BTW -- The Canadian postal service can be downright moronic. Kirk -Original Message- From: John Mullan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum This war stuff is all nuts. Lately it has been my misfortune to be Canadian. Don't get me wrong, Canada is great. But lately, things like eBay's boycott on allowing Canadian bids seems a little childish. If there really is a terrorism/WMD threat to the US, great. Go eliminate the threat. Canada has always been ready to help the US defend it's rights and I (and a great many other Canadians) back this philosophy. Naturally, there are those here that feel different and I can't speak for them. However, I personally feel that as an offensive move, the US makes it's own choice. They definitely have the strength and power to accomplish their task. Hell, we can't even keep helicopters in the sky or keep our subs from leaking!!! Let's not pick on the '90lb weakling' neighbour. Make no mistake. Should, for whatever reason, the tables turned and things turn to a defensive mode Canada will be in there like white over rice. I have many friends in the US and they don't boycott me. We do have a couple of asses in office that make stupid remarks and you can better your higher-valued dollar that they don't get elected again. The little guys (voters) can only bitch-slap those kinds of politicians by using the almight vote. Just my rantings. -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 30, 2003 9:28 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Roger That!! Thanks for sitting me straight...Shame on them...I will go on a 1 mile run as soon as I finish imported steak (LOL), and freedom wineHoorar (82 Airborne word)' Jerry -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:22 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to line their pockets(oil) and you can't do a damn thing about it, and not buying McDonalds(meat shipped in from another country) and or K-mart(made in China) is not going to hurt anyone in those countries, only the poor working slob here in america... Good Luck I do admire your basic idea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Hi Darryl, What about McDonalds/Budweiser/Texaco/Miller? dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: The boycotts cut both ways. However, if one wants to send a financial message to the U.S. and British administrations, are there any target products that would be particularly effective if boycotted? Darryl McMahon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Jerry, I think you misunderstood it, it is in foreign countries that a movement is growing now to boycott American companies/products. It is a reaction on the unjust war and maybe the pictures of Americans emptying fine French wine in the gutter, a waste that is criminal. If anyone want to get rid of good French wine, please send it to me. But I think that the parents to those who did it, are angry now and are stocking up again. I talked to young people in Spain, Germany and Sweden and they want to boycott what they see as American interests. Not always smart, but a healthy reaction on something that they see as unjust war. They do not trust the altruistic songs from Bush Co. It is expected that the PP party in Spain will loose a lot of votes on this. Although Bush get a lot of support for the war in the polls, a majority says that they would not vote for him again. So he stand a far chance of joining his father in being one of the very few presidents who lost a reelection. The support for Blair show a similar tendency. Boycotts are sometimes efficient, but I agree that it very seldom hurts the ones that they are aimed for. Look at the US led UN boycott against Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of children who died because of it. Personally I think that McDonalds is a part of the US chemical warfare and since I do not eat their stuff, I cannot boycott them. Maybe we will get some healthier youngsters as a result of the war and that is positive. I stopped to drink Coca Cola, but that was for health reasons also. I have a similar thing with French Fries (Freedom Fries, LOL), stopped eating that too, because if you do a chemical analysis, they are very easy mistaken for paper products. Jerry, we are both retired and have to think about our health. Hakan At 04:06 AM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to line their pockets(oil) and you can't do a damn thing about it, and not buying McDonalds(meat shipped in from another country) and or K-mart(made in China) is not going to hurt anyone in those countries, only the poor working slob here in america... Good Luck I do admire your basic idea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Hi Darryl, What about McDonalds/Budweiser/Texaco/Miller? dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: The boycotts cut both ways. However, if one wants to send a financial message to the U.S. and British administrations, are there any target products that would be particularly effective if boycotted? Darryl McMahon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
So what you advocate is avarice and conspicuous consumption in order to keep poor working slob[s] ... in america employed? Doesn't matter if that conspicuous consumption promotes exploitation of other people and resources? So everyone should go out and shop, at least according to the gospel of G.W. Bush - just ignore the reality that unfolds around us? For those who have failed to take notice, it is the excessive consumption revolution that has brought us to a point where control of resources become national security issues, with maintenance of jobs and preserving the American lifestyle taking precedence over any humanity external to America or the environment across the board. So who is it that really needs to wake up? Those that promote the fast trip to nowheresville or those who propose putting on the brakes to the same destination? Sure, a boycott using US economic/war policy as the justification is not the same as a boycott predicated directly upon conspicuous consumption. But the end result is similar - a reduction in consumption (and yes, a reduction in production). It's about time that western civilization realized that it's time for a correction in the collective mindset - that we don't have the right to covet hundreds of times more possessions, materials and resources when hundreds of millions don't have enough to survive on and billions don't have much more. Sorry. But a wide screen T.V. in every pot is not going to make the world a better place. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 4:06 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum What is wrong with you people?? You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to line their pockets(oil) and you can't do a damn thing about it, and not buying McDonalds(meat shipped in from another country) and or K-mart(made in China) is not going to hurt anyone in those countries, only the poor working slob here in america... Good Luck I do admire your basic idea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum Hi Darryl, What about McDonalds/Budweiser/Texaco/Miller? dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: The boycotts cut both ways. However, if one wants to send a financial message to the U.S. and British administrations, are there any target products that would be particularly effective if boycotted? Darryl McMahon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
On boycotting...simply recommendationto do your best, just keep making biofuel and promote education on renewable, sustainable energies. You will be directly and indirectly cutting financial support for the fossil and nuclear fuel industries that have a strangle hold on many people. Boycotting McD's in Germany or anywhere else is silly since they are usually locally owned, supplied and operated. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is wrong with you people?? Good question. I think it is an over-indulged sense that I can make the world a better place. You really think that a boycott would make any difference?? Yes. They have worked before. The trick is to establish a strategy, target effectively and prosecute with vigor. (Sounds so military, don't you think?) The economy is gone to hell now, and you want to boycott American products and or business!! Specific aspects of the American economy are the target. If it is somewhat vulnerable, then it is time to press our advantage. Seems to me that you are trying to shoot yourself in the foot, with all this boycott stuff. I really don't care;I'm retired and do not relay on a job or the economy, but you knotheads had better wake up!!! The people in charge are going to do what ever it takes to line their pockets(oil) and you can't do a damn thing about it, and not buying McDonalds(meat shipped in from another country) and or K-mart(made in China) is not going to hurt anyone in those countries, only the poor working slob here in america... Agreed. We will attempt to limit the collateral damage. Good Luck I do admire your basic idea. Thanks, we'll need it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about McDonalds/Budweiser/Texaco/Miller? That's the spirit! McDonalds Canada seems a poor target. As I understand it, most of the restaurants are operated by local business people as separate corporations, and employ mostly some of our most vulnerable working poor. Shooting the foot, as Jerry put it. Budweiser in Canada is actually brewed by a Canadian brewer - Labatt's. So, again, looks like a poor target. Texaco no longer exists in Canada. It was bought out by our hulkingly ineffective national oil company, Petro-Canada. Miller, looks like Labatt's again, same for Coors. But I may have a candidate. Imperial Oil, aka Esso. 70% owned by Exxon Mobil. Hmmm... do I recall that Exxon Mobil officials had a closed door session with PresBush before the Iraq invasion? Isn't this military incursion focused on oil? Added bonus - Esso has about the worst environmental record for oil companies in Canada. Still produces the highest sulphur gasoline in Ontario. Tie to Exxon Valdez is just too easy, even for the gasoline-addicted crowd. So, should we target the tiger? Would a U.S. version of the same boycott also be effective? Is Exxon/Esso visible in the rest of the world? Do people believe that a 10% drop in retail sales would be noticed by the ExxonMobil accounting department? Do people believe that this would get mentioned to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell? More research required to establish the chain of connections to ensure this is an appropriate target. Your assistance is invited. Then onto tactics - I already have some ideas. Nothing illegal, just targeting the bottom line. When is the busiest time at gas stations? Off to brew another research litre of BD from WVO. Darryl Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Hi Darryl and all Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is wrong with you people?? Good question. I think it is an over-indulged sense that I can make the world a better place. :-) And long may you suffer this no-doubt foolish delusion. Re Exxon Mobil - very good choice, nasty company (the world's largest publicly traded corporation), right in the thick of it all, and a lot of the work has already been done. But I may have a candidate. Imperial Oil, aka Esso. 70% owned by Exxon Mobil. Hmmm... do I recall that Exxon Mobil officials had a closed door session with PresBush before the Iraq invasion? Isn't this military incursion focused on oil? Added bonus - Esso has about the worst environmental record for oil companies in Canada. Still produces the highest sulphur gasoline in Ontario. Tie to Exxon Valdez is just too easy, even for the gasoline-addicted crowd. So, should we target the tiger? Would a U.S. version of the same boycott also be effective? Is Exxon/Esso visible in the rest of the world? Do people believe that a 10% drop in retail sales would be noticed by the ExxonMobil accounting department? Do people believe that this would get mentioned to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell? More research required to establish the chain of connections to ensure this is an appropriate target. Your assistance is invited. Then onto tactics - I already have some ideas. Nothing illegal, just targeting the bottom line. When is the busiest time at gas stations? Exxon Valdez aside... http://www.observer.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,738196,00.html Dark heart of the American dream It's the most polluted state in the planet's most powerful country. Ed Vulliamy goes into George Bush's backyard to reveal how big oil got in bed with big politics and the price paid by the little people Sunday June 16, 2002 The Observer ... 'You are looking at the biggest oil refinery in the world,' indicates LaNell Anderson. She refers to the edifice that is the 3,000-acre Exxon Mobil plant at Baytown, near Houston, producer of 507,800 barrels a day. Here begins a story of both dynasty and destiny, for it was on this spot in 1917 that the Bush family's oil connection was forged - where the Humble Oil company, which struck black gold in the Houston suburb of that name, took root, later to become the Exxon behemoth. Humble's founder, William Stamps Farish, went on to become president of Standard Oil. His daughter became a friend of George Bush Sr and his grandson William Jr was taken in 'almost like family' (said Barbara Bush) while campaigning for George Sr's entrĀe into Washington Senatorial politics in 1964. Farish Jr claims to have been the first man to whom Bush Sr confided his ambition to be president one day, and was last year named US Ambassador to London... http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3pid=74 The Nation ExxonMobil-Sponsored Terrorism? 06/14/2002 @ 12:30am Why are villagers in the Aceh province of Indonesia--or their lawyers--worrying about contributions from Exxon Mobil to George W. Bush and the Republicans? http://www.oneworld.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi?root=1680url=http%3A%2F%2F www%2Eafricaaction%2Eorg%2Fdocs02%2Fadr0211a%2Ehtm South Africa: Apartheid Debt Reparations, 1 021112 A suit was filed today, November 12, in the New York Eastern District Court against 8 banks and 12 other companies in six Western countries for apartheid reparations, on behalf of the Khulumani Support Group and individual victims of state-sanctioned torture, murder, rape, arbitrary detention, and inhumane treatment. ... 1.10 Exxon Mobil Corporation Turn up just about any ugly stone and you'll find them there. As to whether it's relevant, have a look at this, for starters: http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=6128 Iraq: US Army Depots Named After Oil Giants By Neela Banerjee New York Times March 27, 2003 The subtleties surrounding the sensitive role oil plays in the Iraqi war may have eluded the United States Army. Deep in some newspaper coverage yesterday was a report that the 101st Airborne Division had named one central Iraq outpost Forward Operating Base Shell and another Forward Operating Base Exxon. ... ... others involved in the oil industry say the Pentagon's indifference to the names of the bases was poorly considered. You have this atmosphere of suspicion and apprehension now, and that's just among your allies, Jan Stuart, head of research for global energy futures at ABN Amro, the Dutch investment bank, said. And in this atmosphere, you call your own supply effort this. It's mind-boggling the degree of insensitivity. There is little doubt the Americans will win the war, but you have to wonder how people who are so insensitive are going to win the peace. Exxon Mobil has taken a lot of bad publicity and boycotting in Britain and Europe, and it's hurt them, though they deny that of course.
[biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=6072 EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum By Erik Kirschbaum Reuters March 25, 2003 Berlin - No more Coca-Cola or Budweiser, no Marlboro, no American whiskey or even American Express cards -- a growing number of restaurants in Germany are taking everything American off their menus to protest the war in Iraq. Although the protests are mainly symbolic, waiters in dozens of bars and restaurants in Hamburg, Berlin, Munich, Bonn and other German cities are telling patrons, Sorry, Coca-Cola is not available any more due to the current political situation. The boycotts appear to be part of a nascent worldwide movement. One Web site, www.consumers-against-war.de, calls for boycotts of 27 top American firms from Microsoft to Kodak while another, www.adbusters.org, urges the millions of people against the war to Boycott Brand America. Consumer fury seems to be on the rise. Demonstrators in Paris smashed the windows of a McDonald's restaurant last week, forcing police in riot gear to move in to protect staff and customers of the American fast-food outlet. The attackers sprayed obscenities and boycott on the windows. In Indonesia, Iraq war opponents have pasted signs on McDonald's and other American food outlets, trying to force them shut by sealing them and urging Indonesians to avoid them. In the Swiss city of Basel, 50 students recently staged a sit-down strike in front of a McDonald's to block customers' entry, waved peace signs and urged people to eat pretzels instead of hamburgers. Anti-American sentiment has even reached provinces in Russia, where some rural eateries put up signs telling Americans they were unwelcome, according to an Izvestia newspaper report. A German bicycle manufacturer, Riese und Mueller GmbH, canceled all business deals with its American suppliers. Americans only pay attention when money is on the line, director Heiko Mueller told Reuters, whose firm buys $300,000 worth of supplies from half a dozen American firms each year. We wanted to make a statement against this war and told our American partners that unless they renounce what their government is doing we won't do any business with them anymore. Small But Symbolic The German restaurant boycotts of American products started small but spread rapidly after the Iraq war began on Thursday. The conflict has struck a raw nerve in a country that became decidedly anti-war after the devastation of World War II, which it initiated. If people all around the world boycott American products it might influence their policies, said Jean-Yves Mabileau, owner of L'Auberge Francaise which joined 10 Hamburg restaurants in banning Coca Cola, Philip Morris' Marlboro cigarettes, whiskey and other American goods. This started as a light-hearted reaction to Americans dumping French wine in the gutter and renaming 'French Fries' as 'Freedom Fries', he said. But it feels good to take a stand against this war. It is just a small gesture, but a good one. Diners at the Osteria restaurant in Berlin are finding that things go better without Coke and are ordering Germany's long overshadowed imitation of the real thing -- the slightly sweeter Afri-Cola -- to express their outrage. We wanted to do something to express our annoyance, Osteria owner Fabio Angile told Reuters. We want to hit America where it hurts -- in their wallets. None of the customers have complained. On the contrary, most thought it was a great idea. Herve Keroureda, owner of a French restaurant in Hamburg known as Ti Breizh, said he was astonished by the massive media coverage of their small-scale anti-American protest. It was only intended as a small gesture but has turned into a gigantic issue, he said. And the reaction from the patrons has been tremendous. Most have called it a brilliant idea. In Bonn, bartender Bruno Kessler said he was refusing to sell American whiskey or American beer such as Anheuser-Busch's Budweiser at his Eifeler Stuben. I asked myself 'What can I possibly do to show my anger over this barbary?', he told Germany's N-24 television network. Starbucks, Big Macs Avoided Sarah Stolz, a 22-year-old German student of American studies, was headed for a Starbucks, coffee shop in central Berlin when her anti-war conscience got the best of her. I was thinking about going into Starbucks which I love, when I realized it was wrong, she said. I'm backing the boycott because the war is totally unjustified. Rita Marschall was avoiding McDonald's and Burger King. I'm boycotting American products because their policy on Iraq is totally wrong, said Marschall, 26, in front of a Berlin McDonald's. It's just one of many ways we can take a stand. Some German bakeries have renamed a local cake known as Amerikaner -- a disk-shaped pastry with icing on top -- as Peace-ies, bearing a peace sign piped in chocolate sauce. The boycotts are having
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
The boycotts cut both ways. I read an article in the past couple of days (can't find citation right now), that American consumers have become more likely to boycott Canadian products because of the Canadian government's opposition to U.S. action in Iraq. (Please note that Canadian troops are currently in Afghanistan, Canadian Navy ships are in the Persian Gulf, and a small number of Canadian military are currently serving attached to U.S and British units in Iraq and area. If U.S. consumers really want to make an impact, I recommend targeting our major exports to the U.S. 1) Oil. The U.S. imports more oil from Canada (Soviet Canuckistan I believe is the current term of choice in Washington D.C.) 2) Natural Gas. 3) Electricity (about 40,000,000,000,000 Watt-hours imported from Canada to U.S. in 2002) 4) Light trucks (including SUVs and minivans and pickups). Over half of these vehicles produced in Canada are exported to the U.S. 5) Softwood lumber. Never mind, the U.S. government has already applied an illegal tariff (per NAFTA) on this, despite having the same tariff overturned by U.S. courts in the past. I understand that boycotting American brands may have a limited effect (hurting local merchants more than U.S. interests). However, if one wants to send a financial message to the U.S. and British administrations, are there any target products that would be particularly effective if boycotted? Darryl McMahon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Hi Darryl, What about McDonalds/Budweiser/Texaco/Miller? dD biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: The boycotts cut both ways. However, if one wants to send a financial message to the U.S. and British administrations, are there any target products that would be particularly effective if boycotted? Darryl McMahon Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EU: Boycott of American Goods Over Iraq War Gains Momentum
Hi Darryl, Good advise, continue to deliver, otherwise you take the risk of being liberated. -:) Hakan At 04:27 PM 3/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: The boycotts cut both ways. I read an article in the past couple of days (can't find citation right now), that American consumers have become more likely to boycott Canadian products because of the Canadian government's opposition to U.S. action in Iraq. (Please note that Canadian troops are currently in Afghanistan, Canadian Navy ships are in the Persian Gulf, and a small number of Canadian military are currently serving attached to U.S and British units in Iraq and area. If U.S. consumers really want to make an impact, I recommend targeting our major exports to the U.S. 1) Oil. The U.S. imports more oil from Canada (Soviet Canuckistan I believe is the current term of choice in Washington D.C.) 2) Natural Gas. 3) Electricity (about 40,000,000,000,000 Watt-hours imported from Canada to U.S. in 2002) 4) Light trucks (including SUVs and minivans and pickups). Over half of these vehicles produced in Canada are exported to the U.S. 5) Softwood lumber. Never mind, the U.S. government has already applied an illegal tariff (per NAFTA) on this, despite having the same tariff overturned by U.S. courts in the past. I understand that boycotting American brands may have a limited effect (hurting local merchants more than U.S. interests). However, if one wants to send a financial message to the U.S. and British administrations, are there any target products that would be particularly effective if boycotted? Darryl McMahon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
