Re: [biofuel] Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at theRESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world.
Robert I do not disagree with you. Some times, though, it is difficult to distinguish the purely political from the politics of biofuels. Truly, discussion is an American pastime and must be encouraged. I simply feel that we can achieve better results for both the discussion on politics and for the discussion on biofuels if we were to be more disciplined and focused about topics that are so important. You have my opinion. I'm sure that people who agree and disagree will continue to do so - as they normally do in a discussion. Dom - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at theRESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world. Domenick V. Amato wrote: Why don't you move your discussions to a group for which it is appropriate? You are certainly entitled to what ever political opinions you have and you are entitled to speak whatever you like. This, however, is NOT the place for it. It is SPAM relative to the topics for which this group is organized. To the extent that you continue with this political self-indulgence, you damage the purpose of this group. Dom Amato Political discussion is VITAL to the future of biofuels. This evening is the first time since I've been a member of this group that I've read a post from you, so perhaps you're new. Many of us have been contributing for a long time (years, even!), and the discussion often yields fruitful information for thought or future experimentation. A certain member, when lamenting the relative uselessness of lightweight modern American trucks for snow plowing, (clearly an off topic post!) mentioned that he runs up to 50% diesel in his small block Chevy powered truck. I've often thought that using a Babington atomizer would be an excellent way to get a spark ignition engine to burn vegetable oil--at least one running at a constant speed for power generation. In fact, I've spent a lot of time thinking about modifying the Babington apparatus as a fuel reforming device. (But I just bought a supercharger for my pathetic, four cylinder Ford Ranger and my longsuffering wife isn't happy with me right now. . . ) The post I mentioned above had nothing to do with biofuels, but the ideas that wove their threads through my mind after reading the message certainly did. I read through well over 100 messages a day, many of them cross posted from wastewatts, the EV list, micro cogeneration and others. Much of that discussion is utterly meaningless to me, but once in awhile I come across something valuable. (So, either read fast, as I do, or filter your messages to limit the content. There is no harm in self imposed censorship!) Trying to limit discussion puts you in the position of being final arbiter of what ideas are acceptable to exchange in this forum. I neither know, nor trust you (yet, anyway!), and from what I've read thus far, I don't think you fully understand the spirit of this particular forum. After all, why shouldn't I be able to talk about the linkage between poor political leadership, the absolute lack of a decent energy policy and the Fundamentalist, Dispensationalist antichristian ideology that supports military action to INCREASE the misery of people who have no ability to defend themselves against us? (I heard an excellent feature this morning on NPR about this very thing! See the link at: http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.jhtml?prgId=3prgDate=current The news story was entitled: Evangelicals for War--an oxymoron if there ever SHOULD be one! My interest in reducing energy use and using unconventional fuels necessarily limits the audience with whom I can discuss these issues. Personally, I would like to hear what like minded people are thinking--even if they disagree with me, as many in this forum do. Dissent is NOT unAmerican! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at theRESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world.
Domenick V. Amato wrote: Robert I do not disagree with you. Some times, though, it is difficult to distinguish the purely political from the politics of biofuels. Truly, discussion is an American pastime and must be encouraged. The membership of this list is worldwide, with members from at least 100 countries. Americans are a minority here, and, though a highly valued one, a small number of them tend to forget that. I simply feel that we can achieve better results for both the discussion on politics and for the discussion on biofuels if we were to be more disciplined and focused about topics that are so important. Your view of what's important will have to co-exist with very many other views, many or most of which will not accord with yours. Biofuels and energy issues and their contexts mean vastly different things to different members living in other countries, other cultures - and indeed to many living in your country and your culture, as you've now seen. You have my opinion. I'm sure that people who agree and disagree will continue to do so - as they normally do in a discussion. The trouble with your opinion is that you tried to impose it. That is not acceptable here. Keith Addison Moderator Dom - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at theRESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world. Domenick V. Amato wrote: Why don't you move your discussions to a group for which it is appropriate? You are certainly entitled to what ever political opinions you have and you are entitled to speak whatever you like. This, however, is NOT the place for it. It is SPAM relative to the topics for which this group is organized. To the extent that you continue with this political self-indulgence, you damage the purpose of this group. Dom Amato Political discussion is VITAL to the future of biofuels. This evening is the first time since I've been a member of this group that I've read a post from you, so perhaps you're new. Many of us have been contributing for a long time (years, even!), and the discussion often yields fruitful information for thought or future experimentation. A certain member, when lamenting the relative uselessness of lightweight modern American trucks for snow plowing, (clearly an off topic post!) mentioned that he runs up to 50% diesel in his small block Chevy powered truck. I've often thought that using a Babington atomizer would be an excellent way to get a spark ignition engine to burn vegetable oil--at least one running at a constant speed for power generation. In fact, I've spent a lot of time thinking about modifying the Babington apparatus as a fuel reforming device. (But I just bought a supercharger for my pathetic, four cylinder Ford Ranger and my longsuffering wife isn't happy with me right now. . . ) The post I mentioned above had nothing to do with biofuels, but the ideas that wove their threads through my mind after reading the message certainly did. I read through well over 100 messages a day, many of them cross posted from wastewatts, the EV list, micro cogeneration and others. Much of that discussion is utterly meaningless to me, but once in awhile I come across something valuable. (So, either read fast, as I do, or filter your messages to limit the content. There is no harm in self imposed censorship!) Trying to limit discussion puts you in the position of being final arbiter of what ideas are acceptable to exchange in this forum. I neither know, nor trust you (yet, anyway!), and from what I've read thus far, I don't think you fully understand the spirit of this particular forum. After all, why shouldn't I be able to talk about the linkage between poor political leadership, the absolute lack of a decent energy policy and the Fundamentalist, Dispensationalist antichristian ideology that supports military action to INCREASE the misery of people who have no ability to defend themselves against us? (I heard an excellent feature this morning on NPR about this very thing! See the link at: http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.jhtml?prgId=3prgDate=current The news story was entitled: Evangelicals for War--an oxymoron if there ever SHOULD be one! My interest in reducing energy use and using unconventional fuels necessarily limits the audience with whom I can discuss these issues. Personally, I would like to hear what like minded people are thinking--even if they disagree with me, as many in this forum do. Dissent is NOT unAmerican! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [biofuel] Just one man's observation! Was: Looking at theRESPONSE ... too all that's going onin the world.
Domenick V. Amato wrote: Why don't you move your discussions to a group for which it is appropriate? You are certainly entitled to what ever political opinions you have and you are entitled to speak whatever you like. This, however, is NOT the place for it. It is SPAM relative to the topics for which this group is organized. To the extent that you continue with this political self-indulgence, you damage the purpose of this group. Dom Amato Political discussion is VITAL to the future of biofuels. This evening is the first time since I've been a member of this group that I've read a post from you, so perhaps you're new. Many of us have been contributing for a long time (years, even!), and the discussion often yields fruitful information for thought or future experimentation. A certain member, when lamenting the relative uselessness of lightweight modern American trucks for snow plowing, (clearly an off topic post!) mentioned that he runs up to 50% diesel in his small block Chevy powered truck. I've often thought that using a Babington atomizer would be an excellent way to get a spark ignition engine to burn vegetable oil--at least one running at a constant speed for power generation. In fact, I've spent a lot of time thinking about modifying the Babington apparatus as a fuel reforming device. (But I just bought a supercharger for my pathetic, four cylinder Ford Ranger and my longsuffering wife isn't happy with me right now. . . ) The post I mentioned above had nothing to do with biofuels, but the ideas that wove their threads through my mind after reading the message certainly did. I read through well over 100 messages a day, many of them cross posted from wastewatts, the EV list, micro cogeneration and others. Much of that discussion is utterly meaningless to me, but once in awhile I come across something valuable. (So, either read fast, as I do, or filter your messages to limit the content. There is no harm in self imposed censorship!) Trying to limit discussion puts you in the position of being final arbiter of what ideas are acceptable to exchange in this forum. I neither know, nor trust you (yet, anyway!), and from what I've read thus far, I don't think you fully understand the spirit of this particular forum. After all, why shouldn't I be able to talk about the linkage between poor political leadership, the absolute lack of a decent energy policy and the Fundamentalist, Dispensationalist antichristian ideology that supports military action to INCREASE the misery of people who have no ability to defend themselves against us? (I heard an excellent feature this morning on NPR about this very thing! See the link at: http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundown.jhtml?prgId=3prgDate=current The news story was entitled: Evangelicals for War--an oxymoron if there ever SHOULD be one! My interest in reducing energy use and using unconventional fuels necessarily limits the audience with whom I can discuss these issues. Personally, I would like to hear what like minded people are thinking--even if they disagree with me, as many in this forum do. Dissent is NOT unAmerican! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
