Re: [biofuel] Re: From a local Group
Sorry for didn't follow up? Why you are fighting? For permit? Recently we were denied a permit for a solar carport, the chairwoman of the planning committee does not like solar panels. She thinks the blue polycrystalline panels are not just another new type of building materials!? You have to hide them on the roof and in the back. Not to be seem from the streets. She said that in a public hearing and tried to humiliate us in front of the participants, she and her atheistically taste are for the sake of the city!? We were not humiliated but surprised, she needs to be re-educated to keep up with social or scientific PROGRESS! Same from the San Marino city, where a lot of million dollars houses! You can put solar system but in the back, not on the front that you can see from the street. Why? It's not acceptable if only some houses have the solar panels and some have not. It will not be in conformity and will decrease the property values in that area. I actually think it will increase the value of the property! And I know some construction companies are now building new and energy efficient houses with the option of solar systems, they are selling very well. It's a new commodity available in the market and consumers love the idea that they can lower the consumption of energy, build up their own power supply! I just don't get it? Why some governments can not see the benefits but the negative side of progree? Sometime you wish that all the approval processes can be handled by computers, not human! Unless there are perfect Christians and never make mistakes! Need a strong leader to lead the progress of alternative energy. For the farmers, the funding is a sign of approval to push the movement to the right direction. Losing the funding for the windmill is symbolic and financially devastating, because they will be discouraged. I shared the same feeling that we would rather move on the jobs and not wasting time to fight the governments! They treated us like enemies and it's unbelievable! Only few like Clintons or the Gores are pushing this agenda! Also we are talking about converting an old gas staion to a green station, and pumps to sell biofuel! We have to come up with the numbers to support the proposal, that how many population or cars in that city will need biofuel. Because it's in a commericial zone, we will have to deal with the same athestical standard as the same lady is in charge of the planning. The other planners were happy about the idea and suggested us to get funding from the environment department in the city hall. The feeling is mixed and I hope it's just the process for moving to a new era! But I do share the feeling that you have to spend so much time in dealing with them! We might have to go to media if the dragon lady persisted here! Legal system is not a perfect place to argue. In the present system of things, can only say Good Luck! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:41 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: From a local Group --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Jon Fairbanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you guys waste your time grumbling and BEGGING for hand outs and the goodwill of others? Get your stuff working...AND...cost effective...and show all those creeps you are right. Jonathan Fairbanks LOL! It's the nature of the Beast, I guess. No one is allowed or permitted to go into competition with the government favored Businesses. It's a mutual back-scratching arrangement. The government subsidized Businesses give large amounts of Campaign money to Politicians, and the Politicians give huge subsidies to those who contribute well. They actively support each others Monopoly by stonewalling any applications for Permits. If you are not a Member of the Insider's Club, you will not be allowed through the Bureaucratic Permit process. Putting together a viable Business Plan is no big deal, even without subsidies. Getting past the Regulatory hurdles is nearly impossible. I probably need to add a Disclaimer here, that my position is not unbiased. I've been trying for 5 months to get into Court, and can't because I haven't exhausted all Administrative remedies. Administrative remedies consist of sending in Affidavits, Complaints and Demands, waiting 30 or 60 days and filing followup paperwork, to discover that my initial papers were misplaced or lost, or have been referred to another Department and/or must be resubmitted, etc etc etc. A Public Service announcement in a Newspaper advising the Public to be sure to have any dealings with certain individuals written and signed under penalty of Perjury as the subject is a proven Liar, seemed to stir a bit of action. My major complaints are to the Supervisory level of a State Department now, and I have documented evidence of Fraud and Conspiracy waiting to be filed against a lower level Official on a personal basis
[biofuel] Re: From a local Group
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the local group? Greg H. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mn-politics-discuss/ His 'wisdom' for today... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mn-politics-discuss/message/13695 There is a limit of 2 posts per day and all posts are required to have your full name and address. Threads must be kept to a Minnesota focus. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: From a local Group
Wow! Not just a little picky, but totally anal. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 18:14 Subject: [biofuel] Re: From a local Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mn-politics-discuss/ His 'wisdom' for today... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mn-politics-discuss/message/13695 There is a limit of 2 posts per day and all posts are required to have your full name and address. Threads must be kept to a Minnesota focus. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: From a local Group
Motie: I thought your response to Mr. Fairanks seemed reasonable. It isn't as though you are grumbling for handouts, but rather asking to be allowed to do business. If only the rights of folks to do business were being protected. But under guise of being concerned about this, we see some people (e.g. the poster on the other local board) brushing aside the concern of some with complaints in favor of a seemingly oversimplified argument. In any case, a couple of years ago when Mr. Ventura was governor, I thought I read somewhere that he wanted to help out the Minnesota ethanol cause, but was tied-up because he was clearly against mandates, on principle, and so he had a problem with mandating a certain amount of ethanol use. Sorry if this is inaccurate. What was your opinion of his view and policies? Did he seem to make an effort to promote what you thought were reasonable policies toward ethanol production? Did you ever try to get an audience of any sort with him? I bet if he knew a lot about your case he'd probably care a bit, even if he might fail to help as much as he thought he'd be able to do. I saw him on Leno the other night and he is apparently about to have a nationwide TV show on MSNBC. I don't have a strong opinion of him for or against but it seems clear that he has Presidential Aspirations at some point. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Jon Fairbanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you guys waste your time grumbling and BEGGING for hand outs and the goodwill of others? Get your stuff working...AND...cost effective...and show all those creeps you are right. Jonathan Fairbanks LOL! It's the nature of the Beast, I guess. No one is allowed or permitted to go into competition with the government favored Businesses. It's a mutual back-scratching arrangement. The government subsidized Businesses give large amounts of Campaign money to Politicians, and the Politicians give huge subsidies to those who contribute well. They actively support each others Monopoly by stonewalling any applications for Permits. If you are not a Member of the Insider's Club, you will not be allowed through the Bureaucratic Permit process. Putting together a viable Business Plan is no big deal, even without subsidies. Getting past the Regulatory hurdles is nearly impossible. I probably need to add a Disclaimer here, that my position is not unbiased. I've been trying for 5 months to get into Court, and can't because I haven't exhausted all Administrative remedies. Administrative remedies consist of sending in Affidavits, Complaints and Demands, waiting 30 or 60 days and filing followup paperwork, to discover that my initial papers were misplaced or lost, or have been referred to another Department and/or must be resubmitted, etc etc etc. A Public Service announcement in a Newspaper advising the Public to be sure to have any dealings with certain individuals written and signed under penalty of Perjury as the subject is a proven Liar, seemed to stir a bit of action. My major complaints are to the Supervisory level of a State Department now, and I have documented evidence of Fraud and Conspiracy waiting to be filed against a lower level Official on a personal basis. I am accumulating evidenciary documents against a Judge and a Prosecutor for Fraud, Perjury and Civil Rights violations. What most People consider to be Laws to be obeyed, are seen as simple guidelines that can safely be ignored on an arbitrary basis if you have the proper 'connections'. To my dismay, I have found that to be an accurate assumption. Enough of the ranting, Motie Who would much prefer to be working on research and development of renewable alternative energy Projects. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: From a local Group
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Jon Fairbanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you guys waste your time grumbling and BEGGING for hand outs and the goodwill of others? Get your stuff working...AND...cost effective...and show all those creeps you are right. Jonathan Fairbanks LOL! It's the nature of the Beast, I guess. No one is allowed or permitted to go into competition with the government favored Businesses. It's a mutual back-scratching arrangement. The government subsidized Businesses give large amounts of Campaign money to Politicians, and the Politicians give huge subsidies to those who contribute well. They actively support each others Monopoly by stonewalling any applications for Permits. If you are not a Member of the Insider's Club, you will not be allowed through the Bureaucratic Permit process. Putting together a viable Business Plan is no big deal, even without subsidies. Getting past the Regulatory hurdles is nearly impossible. I probably need to add a Disclaimer here, that my position is not unbiased. I've been trying for 5 months to get into Court, and can't because I haven't exhausted all Administrative remedies. Administrative remedies consist of sending in Affidavits, Complaints and Demands, waiting 30 or 60 days and filing followup paperwork, to discover that my initial papers were misplaced or lost, or have been referred to another Department and/or must be resubmitted, etc etc etc. A Public Service announcement in a Newspaper advising the Public to be sure to have any dealings with certain individuals written and signed under penalty of Perjury as the subject is a proven Liar, seemed to stir a bit of action. My major complaints are to the Supervisory level of a State Department now, and I have documented evidence of Fraud and Conspiracy waiting to be filed against a lower level Official on a personal basis. I am accumulating evidenciary documents against a Judge and a Prosecutor for Fraud, Perjury and Civil Rights violations. What most People consider to be Laws to be obeyed, are seen as simple guidelines that can safely be ignored on an arbitrary basis if you have the proper 'connections'. To my dismay, I have found that to be an accurate assumption. Enough of the ranting, Motie Who would much prefer to be working on research and development of renewable alternative energy Projects. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
