Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Spence

even with heated vegetable oil, I don't think these will work well. kerosene
(paraffin) is lighter than diesel. heated veg oil is thicker than diesel.



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From: Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?


 Hey gang here's the link for the diesel stoves.  These things are small so
 you should be able to fit them in any size camper.  They're nice looking
 too!

 http://www.wallas.com/WALLAS3E.HTM

 Ken

 - Original Message -
 From: harmonseaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:08 PM
 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?


  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
found the link [snip]
Hakan
   [snip]
  
   Thanx for the links guys.  Anyone have knowledge of how these things
   work. As in is their a problem in principle (or practice if anyone
   has tried it) of running them on veg oil?
  
 If you check out the previously posted esbar site in Ken's message
  they explain fairly clearly how they work. I've got one in my camper,
  also had one in a previous vanagon, they definitely put out the heat.
  However, I have my doubts whether they will work with SVO/WVO, and not
  sure I even want to try it. Somebody on the stoves list is building
  cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and pressurize
  the SVO first. I've got a little MSR camping stove that will burn
  anything from gasoline to diesel, and works on the same principle
  (preheated and pressurized) but didn't burn canola -- although I
  haven't given it a real try, futzing around with it, just a rather
  quick attempt.
 
 
   Anyone know anymore about the Diesel cook stoves?
 
 They are very commonly used on boats. Made by Dickenson, Sigmarine,
  Olympic, Washington Stove Works, and other. Although all the ones I've
  seen so far are too large to fit in my camper, certainly, and I'd
  think too big for the camper Ken posted about. Wish he'd said what the
  brand was.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-25 Thread coachgeo3

Thanks Ken,  This company also has heaters for boaters etc. 

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey gang here's the link for the diesel stoves.  These things are 
small so
 you should be able to fit them in any size camper.  They're nice 
looking
 too!
 [snip]


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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-22 Thread Keith Addison

Harmon,

I just did a search on Yahoo Groups for stoves and stoves and
biodiesel and got zip. Could you post the link for the stoves group you
mention?

Thanks,
Craig

 
  snip Somebody on the stoves list is building
  cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and pressurize
  the SVO first.

snip

Have you seen our Stoves page, Craig?
http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodfire.html
Wood fires that fit

The stoves list at Crest is mainly into improved woodstoves for 
cooking - improvements on the three-stone fire, for 3rd World use. 
It's good work, but I think they have a long way to go. The cooking 
stoves burning SVO were referred to on the Stoves list, but I don't 
think they're members of that list - that's the Hohenheim stove, 
listed at Reinhard Henning's jatropha site:

http://www.jatropha.org/cooker/stumpf-2000.htm
http://www.jatropha.org/cooker/photos-2000.htm
http://jatropha.org/documents/stumpf-kocher-02-09.pdf

They told us they'd need $300,000 (from us) and three years to 
develop it, but that's not how we do things, even if we had a spare 
$300,000. I sometimes wonder whether appropriate technology 
developed that way ever gets to solve any real problems at ground 
level. The main problem, of course, is indoor smoke pollution, not 
forest destruction, as many believe, though wood availability, or 
rather unavailability, is a huge problem in marginal areas.

Best

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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-22 Thread Ken

Hey gang here's the link for the diesel stoves.  These things are small so
you should be able to fit them in any size camper.  They're nice looking
too!

http://www.wallas.com/WALLAS3E.HTM

Ken

- Original Message -
From: harmonseaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:08 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?


 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   found the link [snip]
   Hakan
  [snip]
 
  Thanx for the links guys.  Anyone have knowledge of how these things
  work. As in is their a problem in principle (or practice if anyone
  has tried it) of running them on veg oil?
 
If you check out the previously posted esbar site in Ken's message
 they explain fairly clearly how they work. I've got one in my camper,
 also had one in a previous vanagon, they definitely put out the heat.
 However, I have my doubts whether they will work with SVO/WVO, and not
 sure I even want to try it. Somebody on the stoves list is building
 cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and pressurize
 the SVO first. I've got a little MSR camping stove that will burn
 anything from gasoline to diesel, and works on the same principle
 (preheated and pressurized) but didn't burn canola -- although I
 haven't given it a real try, futzing around with it, just a rather
 quick attempt.


  Anyone know anymore about the Diesel cook stoves?

They are very commonly used on boats. Made by Dickenson, Sigmarine,
 Olympic, Washington Stove Works, and other. Although all the ones I've
 seen so far are too large to fit in my camper, certainly, and I'd
 think too big for the camper Ken posted about. Wish he'd said what the
 brand was.






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[biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-21 Thread harmonseaver

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  found the link [snip] 
  Hakan
 [snip]
 
 Thanx for the links guys.  Anyone have knowledge of how these things 
 work. As in is their a problem in principle (or practice if anyone 
 has tried it) of running them on veg oil?
 
   If you check out the previously posted esbar site in Ken's message
they explain fairly clearly how they work. I've got one in my camper,
also had one in a previous vanagon, they definitely put out the heat.
However, I have my doubts whether they will work with SVO/WVO, and not
sure I even want to try it. Somebody on the stoves list is building
cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and pressurize
the SVO first. I've got a little MSR camping stove that will burn
anything from gasoline to diesel, and works on the same principle
(preheated and pressurized) but didn't burn canola -- although I
haven't given it a real try, futzing around with it, just a rather
quick attempt.


 Anyone know anymore about the Diesel cook stoves?

   They are very commonly used on boats. Made by Dickenson, Sigmarine,
Olympic, Washington Stove Works, and other. Although all the ones I've
seen so far are too large to fit in my camper, certainly, and I'd
think too big for the camper Ken posted about. Wish he'd said what the
brand was.





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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-21 Thread craig reece

Harmon,

I just did a search on Yahoo Groups for stoves and stoves and
biodiesel and got zip. Could you post the link for the stoves group you
mention?

Thanks,
Craig


 snip Somebody on the stoves list is building
 cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and pressurize
 the SVO first.

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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-21 Thread Hakan Falk


I doubt the SVO/WVO also, but belive that it will work with
bio diesel. This since it is an European product and the cars
in Europe are adopted for bio diesel since 1996. But to be
sure, I sent an email with the questions to them, we will see
if I get an answer.

Hakan



At 08:08 PM 10/21/2002 +, you wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   found the link [snip]
   Hakan
  [snip]
 
  Thanx for the links guys.  Anyone have knowledge of how these things
  work. As in is their a problem in principle (or practice if anyone
  has tried it) of running them on veg oil?
 
If you check out the previously posted esbar site in Ken's message
they explain fairly clearly how they work. I've got one in my camper,
also had one in a previous vanagon, they definitely put out the heat.
However, I have my doubts whether they will work with SVO/WVO, and not
sure I even want to try it. Somebody on the stoves list is building
cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and pressurize
the SVO first. I've got a little MSR camping stove that will burn
anything from gasoline to diesel, and works on the same principle
(preheated and pressurized) but didn't burn canola -- although I
haven't given it a real try, futzing around with it, just a rather
quick attempt.


  Anyone know anymore about the Diesel cook stoves?

They are very commonly used on boats. Made by Dickenson, Sigmarine,
Olympic, Washington Stove Works, and other. Although all the ones I've
seen so far are too large to fit in my camper, certainly, and I'd
think too big for the camper Ken posted about. Wish he'd said what the
brand was.






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[biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-21 Thread harmonseaver

   Go to www.crest.org to sign on the stoves list.


--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Harmon,
 
 I just did a search on Yahoo Groups for stoves and stoves and
 biodiesel and got zip. Could you post the link for the stoves group you
 mention?
 
 Thanks,
 Craig
 
 
  snip Somebody on the stoves list is building
  cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and pressurize
  the SVO first.
 
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-20 Thread Ken

I'm in the middle of building my own cab over camper as we speak and am
going to have it powered by diesel for cooking, and heating.  Here are some
links to help you, the boating crowd are way ahead of us on this.  No more
propane!

Check out this guys custom camper with diesel heating and cooking:
http://earthroamer.com/

Here's a link to what I here are the best diesel heaters out there:
http://www.espar.com/

Good luck and keep us posted, vegetable oil powered nomads, I love it!

Ken Locarnini


- Original Message -
From: coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 6:35 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?


 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ok ok. its prob. been covered, but will a kerosene heater run on
 veg
  oil or a veg oil diesel blend?

 TTT

 can anyone enlighten me?  I will be running a diesel camper in the
 future with about 40 gals of veg oil on board and I would love to be
 able to heat the camper with it, rather it be a kero heater or a
 diesel one. I'm open to suggestions here.   I have asked the
 question in a few different forums and no one is answering the
 question.



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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-20 Thread Hakan Falk



  Many years ago I had an Ebersprecher heater in my VW 1300 and later I 
bought one in my first Mercedes diesel. I know that it also was used in 
boats and campers. Could not find a good link, but I could see it used in 
boats. It should work fine with bio diesel..

Hakan




At 08:26 AM 10/20/2002 -0700, you wrote:
I'm in the middle of building my own cab over camper as we speak and am
going to have it powered by diesel for cooking, and heating.  Here are some
links to help you, the boating crowd are way ahead of us on this.  No more
propane!

Check out this guys custom camper with diesel heating and cooking:
http://earthroamer.com/

Here's a link to what I here are the best diesel heaters out there:
http://www.espar.com/

Good luck and keep us posted, vegetable oil powered nomads, I love it!

Ken Locarnini


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From: coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 6:35 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?


  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ok ok. its prob. been covered, but will a kerosene heater run on
  veg
   oil or a veg oil diesel blend?
 
  TTT
 
  can anyone enlighten me?  I will be running a diesel camper in the
  future with about 40 gals of veg oil on board and I would love to be
  able to heat the camper with it, rather it be a kero heater or a
  diesel one. I'm open to suggestions here.   I have asked the
  question in a few different forums and no one is answering the
  question.
 
 
 
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-20 Thread Hakan Falk



found the link http://www.eberspacher.com/

Hakan

At 01:16 AM 10/21/2002 +0200, you wrote:


   Many years ago I had an Ebersprecher heater in my VW 1300 and later I
bought one in my first Mercedes diesel. I know that it also was used in
boats and campers. Could not find a good link, but I could see it used in
boats. It should work fine with bio diesel..

Hakan




At 08:26 AM 10/20/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 I'm in the middle of building my own cab over camper as we speak and am
 going to have it powered by diesel for cooking, and heating.  Here are some
 links to help you, the boating crowd are way ahead of us on this.  No more
 propane!
 
 Check out this guys custom camper with diesel heating and cooking:
 http://earthroamer.com/
 
 Here's a link to what I here are the best diesel heaters out there:
 http://www.espar.com/
 
 Good luck and keep us posted, vegetable oil powered nomads, I love it!
 
 Ken Locarnini
 
 
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 From: coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 6:35 PM
 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?
 
 
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ok ok. its prob. been covered, but will a kerosene heater run on
   veg
oil or a veg oil diesel blend?
  
   TTT
  
   can anyone enlighten me?  I will be running a diesel camper in the
   future with about 40 gals of veg oil on board and I would love to be
   able to heat the camper with it, rather it be a kero heater or a
   diesel one. I'm open to suggestions here.   I have asked the
   question in a few different forums and no one is answering the
   question.
  
  
  
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[biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-20 Thread coachgeo3

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 found the link [snip] 
 Hakan
[snip]

Thanx for the links guys.  Anyone have knowledge of how these things 
work. As in is their a problem in principle (or practice if anyone 
has tried it) of running them on veg oil?

Anyone know anymore about the Diesel cook stoves?


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[biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-19 Thread coachgeo3

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ok ok. its prob. been covered, but will a kerosene heater run on 
veg 
 oil or a veg oil diesel blend?

TTT  

can anyone enlighten me?  I will be running a diesel camper in the 
future with about 40 gals of veg oil on board and I would love to be 
able to heat the camper with it, rather it be a kero heater or a 
diesel one. I'm open to suggestions here.   I have asked the 
question in a few different forums and no one is answering the 
question.


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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-19 Thread studio53

Your best bet is to take an old wick, or spare and try this:

1. soak the wick with a small mixture enough to saturate - 90% kerosene 10%
veg oil ... see how that burns.

2. same thing - 80% to 20 % -  see how that burns.

3. then 70%, 30% , you get the idea- keep going until it won't burn without
going out.

I think it depends on the viscosity of the oil that you have. No one will be
able to accurately tell you because their oil may be different. You have to
experiment a little.


Jesse Parris  |  studio53  |  graphics / web design  |  stamford, ct  |
203.324.4371
www.jesseparris.com/
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Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?


 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ok ok. its prob. been covered, but will a kerosene heater run on
 veg
  oil or a veg oil diesel blend?

 TTT

 can anyone enlighten me?  I will be running a diesel camper in the
 future with about 40 gals of veg oil ...


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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-19 Thread studio53

Disclaimer: Don't set yourself or anything else on fire. Don't do this if
you are not mechanically inclined.  Don't do this in your house or camper.
BE CAREFUL.

Jesse Parris  |  studio53  |  graphics / web design  |  stamford, ct  |
203.324.4371
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- Original Message -
From: studio53 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?


 Your best bet is to take an old wick, or spare and try this:

 1. soak the wick with a small mixture enough to saturate - 90% kerosene
10%
 veg oil ... see how that burns.

 2. same thing - 80% to 20 % -  see how that burns.

 3. then 70%, 30% , you get the idea- keep going until it won't burn
without
 going out.

 I think it depends on the viscosity of the oil that you have. No one will
be
 able to accurately tell you because their oil may be different. You have
to
 experiment a little.


 Jesse Parris  |  studio53  |  graphics / web design  |  stamford, ct  |
 203.324.4371
 www.jesseparris.com/
 - Original Message -
 From: coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 9:35 PM
 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?


  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ok ok. its prob. been covered, but will a kerosene heater run on
  veg
   oil or a veg oil diesel blend?
 
  TTT
 
  can anyone enlighten me?  I will be running a diesel camper in the
  future with about 40 gals of veg oil ...


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[biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

2002-10-19 Thread coachgeo3

Wicks?  My bad. I heard their was issues with wicks I did not know a 
kerosine heater used a wick.

Is their another type of kero or diesel fired heater that would work 
better? 

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], studio53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Disclaimer: Don't set yourself or anything else on fire. Don't do 
this if
 you are not mechanically inclined.  Don't do this in your house or 
camper.
 BE CAREFUL.
 
 Jesse Parris  |  studio53  |  graphics / web design  |  stamford, 
ct  |
 203.324.4371
 www.jesseparris.com/
 - Original Message -
 From: studio53 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 10:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?
 
 
  Your best bet is to take an old wick, or spare and try this:
 
  1. soak the wick with a small mixture enough to saturate - 90% 
kerosene
 10%
  veg oil ... see how that burns.
 
  2. same thing - 80% to 20 % -  see how that burns.
 
  3. then 70%, 30% , you get the idea- keep going until it won't 
burn
 without
  going out.
 
  I think it depends on the viscosity of the oil that you have. No 
one will
 be
  able to accurately tell you because their oil may be different. 
You have
 to
  experiment a little.
 
 
  Jesse Parris  |  studio53  |  graphics / web design  |  
stamford, ct  |
  203.324.4371
  www.jesseparris.com/
  - Original Message -
  From: coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 9:35 PM
  Subject: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?
 
 
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ok ok. its prob. been covered, but will a kerosene heater 
run on
   veg
oil or a veg oil diesel blend?
  
   TTT
  
   can anyone enlighten me?  I will be running a diesel camper in 
the
   future with about 40 gals of veg oil ...
 
 
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