[biofuel] Re: Methanol Source
>Have been trying to locate a local source for methanol in Dallas >Texas. > >The closest I've come is 55 gal drums from VP Racing Fuels @ $110 >each. The other alternative is from a hobby shop @ $8 gallon. > >So, I'm having trouble getting to the $.50 gallon for biod. > >What am I missing here??? Am I saying the wrong things? Talking to >the wrong people??? Or are you guys doing this for fun??? > >JV Have you tried Dyce? Dyce Chemical Inc. -- 1353 Taylor Pl., Billings MT, USA (406) 248-3131 -- 99+% methanol in 5-gallon cans (expensive) or 55-gallon drums (cheap). Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981763009/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Methanol Source
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So, I'm having trouble getting to the $.50 gallon for biod. > > What am I missing here??? Am I saying the wrong things? Talking to > the wrong people??? Or are you guys doing this for fun??? > > JV I buy methanol from an industrial solvent supplier. There should be dozens of them around Dallas. I pay $77 for 55 gal. in Little Rock. You should find it cheaper there. Look in the yellow pages under solvents. Or go here: http://yp.infospace.com/info.go555/searchyp?srchyp=1&?QN=&QB=a2692800&; QC=dallas&QS=tx&BP=1&QO=0&BR=0&CO=&QD=yp2ad&QK=20&bd=20&bg=8E43D3&bh=1 53F4F7&QZ=&BU=2&BP=1&14493 (List of seven solvent suppliers in Dallas area) Dale Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981776139/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Methanol Source
Thanks, Dale. So I am talking to the wrong folks. Will report on results next week. Was told that since most methanol in the US is produced with natural gas that the cost has increased recently by $20 a 55 gal drum. Excluding labor, is the 50 to 70 cents range what it is costing you to produce biod? Have searched the archives but didn't find any info on the cost of production. Keith, do you have a link/source for the cost of individuals to produce biod? Thanks, JV Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981818919/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Methanol Source
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Thanks, Dale. > >So I am talking to the wrong folks. Will report on results next week. >Was told that since most methanol in the US is produced with natural >gas that the cost has increased recently by $20 a 55 gal drum. > >Excluding labor, is the 50 to 70 cents range what it is costing you >to produce biod? > >Have searched the archives but didn't find any info on the cost of >production. Keith, do you have a link/source for the cost of >individuals to produce biod? No I don't. 50-70c is probably about average. Richard Scee posted this recently: >i here all the time about the high cost of biofuel, but after makeing a >little over 2000 gallons my cost is 43 cents a gallon I don't know what feedstock he uses. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ >Thanks, > >JV Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981914820/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Methanol Source
OK, here's the results of my price survey in Dallas, Texas on 02/12/01. These prices are for pickup at the warehouse in US dollars. Found these vendors under Solvents in Yellow Pages. (Called four vendors) One drum @ 55 gallons - $2.16/gal to $2.48/gal = $119 to $136 Quoted last week from racing fuel vendor 55 gallons for $110 (Called four, only one sold in 5 gal can) One can @ 5 gallons - $3.45/gal + $5.00 for can = $18 ($22 w can) Consensus was that the price of natural gas was driving up the price over the last couple of months. Even with the increase, comes in at 50 to 70 cents per gallon for boid. This excludes labor and energy in production process. JV Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982009660/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Methanol Source
I have been making B-D for a year now, and I but meth. at $1.65/gal, lye at $4 for 18 Ozs. So: 60 gals oil(free) 12 gals Meth.=$19.80+$8=$27.80 divided into 60 gal product=46 cents. anton -- >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [biofuel] Re: Methanol Source >Date: Feb 11, 2001, 10:12 AM > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Thanks, Dale. >> >>So I am talking to the wrong folks. Will report on results next week. >>Was told that since most methanol in the US is produced with natural >>gas that the cost has increased recently by $20 a 55 gal drum. >> >>Excluding labor, is the 50 to 70 cents range what it is costing you >>to produce biod? >> >>Have searched the archives but didn't find any info on the cost of >>production. Keith, do you have a link/source for the cost of >>individuals to produce biod? > >No I don't. 50-70c is probably about average. Richard Scee posted >this recently: > >>i here all the time about the high cost of biofuel, but after makeing a >>little over 2000 gallons my cost is 43 cents a gallon > >I don't know what feedstock he uses. > >Keith Addison >Journey to Forever >Handmade Projects >Tokyo >http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > >>Thanks, >> >>JV > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981957652/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Methanol Source
I buy my methanol from an auto speed shop. (Those of you unfamiliar with the term or out of the U.S., it is a auto parts store that sells auto racing parts and sells methanol used in those modified machines.) I get it for $2.50 a gal in a Philadelphia, PA suburb. Your price to make biodiesel is close to mine. I used to use 20% methanol per liter of oil. Now, I use 13% and it works fine. My technique is a closed system, thereby saving methanol. I use 5 gal jugs to shake up my lye, methanol, and then my 120F oil. An open system probably would need 20% methanol, since the meth would burn off in the reaction. Greg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Methanol Source OK, here's the results of my price survey in Dallas, Texas on 02/12/01. These prices are for pickup at the warehouse in US dollars. Found these vendors under Solvents in Yellow Pages. (Called four vendors) One drum @ 55 gallons - $2.16/gal to $2.48/gal = $119 to $136 Quoted last week from racing fuel vendor 55 gallons for $110 (Called four, only one sold in 5 gal can) One can @ 5 gallons - $3.45/gal + $5.00 for can = $18 ($22 w can) Consensus was that the price of natural gas was driving up the price over the last couple of months. Even with the increase, comes in at 50 to 70 cents per gallon for boid. This excludes labor and energy in production process. JV Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982028172/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
