Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
you will also need to measure fuel flow as well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? > Hi Sam, Warren and All, > --- Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam said: > > > I need not, nor have any desire to convince > > anyone on earth other > > >than myself as to the validity of said > > circumstances or scientific > > >properties thereof. > Sam, why don't you get a tach, let you motor warm > up or after a drive , check the idle rpms then take > off the magnets and see if the rpms goes down. > If they do your magnets are doing their job. If > it doesn't you know what that means. > Let us know what happens. > This is a simple cheap way to test them and > other types of 'fuel enhancers'. > jerry dycus > > > > Amen. Sam, you say it so well. 8^) Corrosive > > diatribes and intolerant > > cynicism only serve to subvert understanding and > > hinder our general > > advancement. > > > > >You can look at this site: > > http://www.fut.es/~sje/mag_fuel.htm > > > > > >as they have some info on the subject of magnets in > > regards to fuel, > > >but do not take anyones word for it. This is the > > internet after all. > > > > Interesting web site. The method of giving opposite > > magnetic > > polarities to the incoming air and fuel certainly > > sounds worth > > experimenting with. I'll give it a go and see if I > > can duplicate the > > results given on that site and by yourself. Thanks. > > -- > > ...Warren Rekow > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Yahoo! Website Services- Click Here! > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
except that the gas in the bowl will already be treated, so you won't notice until the gas is refreshed if it is gas. Perhaps it affects the ignition system instead. Who knows? Jay in Carson City jerry dycus wrote: > Hi Sam, Warren and All, > --- Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sam said: > > > I need not, nor have any desire to convince > > anyone on earth other > > >than myself as to the validity of said > > circumstances or scientific > > >properties thereof. > Sam, why don't you get a tach, let you motor warm > up or after a drive , check the idle rpms then take > off the magnets and see if the rpms goes down. > If they do your magnets are doing their job. If > it doesn't you know what that means. > Let us know what happens. > This is a simple cheap way to test them and > other types of 'fuel enhancers'. > jerry dycus > > > > Amen. Sam, you say it so well. 8^) Corrosive > > diatribes and intolerant > > cynicism only serve to subvert understanding and > > hinder our general > > advancement. > > > > >You can look at this site: > > http://www.fut.es/~sje/mag_fuel.htm > > > > > >as they have some info on the subject of magnets in > > regards to fuel, > > >but do not take anyones word for it. This is the > > internet after all. > > > > Interesting web site. The method of giving opposite > > magnetic > > polarities to the incoming air and fuel certainly > > sounds worth > > experimenting with. I'll give it a go and see if I > > can duplicate the > > results given on that site and by yourself. Thanks. > > -- > > ...Warren Rekow > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
> Sam, why don't you get a tach, let you motor warm > up or after a drive , check the idle rpms then take > off the magnets and see if the rpms goes down. > If they do your magnets are doing their job. If > it doesn't you know what that means. > Let us know what happens. > This is a simple cheap way to test them and > other types of 'fuel enhancers'. > jerry dycus Jerry, When I put the salvaged SCSI hard drive magnets on I didn't notice any power increase as others have, but I did get 4-5 mpg higher in numerous tankfulls. Then I added some store (eBay)bought ferrite magnets ie. "Fuel Boss" that I purchased for $5.00 just behind the rare earth type. At this point I noticed a power increase and I did have to adjust my idle down as I was testing on a '88 Dodge Colt with an automatic tranny and it was trying to run away from me at the stoplights. I got a fairly consistant 5 mpg with that configuration as well. I was enjoying the added power and was adding a little more lead to the foot as a result. I have not tried the hydroboost and magnet combo as of yet but will look into that in the near future. The "boost" gave me 16-23% higher mileage. I will be building an EFIE shortly to enable me to lean out my test vehicle and bypass the computer controls over the FI. It fools the computer into thinking that the O2 sensor doesn't see what is actually there and instead of reading a lean condition and adding fuel, it remains on the lean side. I bought a test vehicle for $200, a 1990 Geo Metro XFi that I just completed a baseline mileage test on. It is getting 52 mpg with a combination of city and highway driving. I will do the tach thing with that car using various strength magnets before and after and get back with you if you would like. I have no other purpose for this car than to test various gadgets that I have purchased and some that are my own inventions that I have built in my machine shop. Some of the supercarb devices I have date back to the 1920's and 1930's. It's interesting to see what was being done at that time before supression took its toll on the automobile market. There is a lot of good stuff out there just waiting to be revisited. Sam Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
Hi Sam, Warren and All, --- Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam said: > > I need not, nor have any desire to convince > anyone on earth other > >than myself as to the validity of said > circumstances or scientific > >properties thereof. Sam, why don't you get a tach, let you motor warm up or after a drive , check the idle rpms then take off the magnets and see if the rpms goes down. If they do your magnets are doing their job. If it doesn't you know what that means. Let us know what happens. This is a simple cheap way to test them and other types of 'fuel enhancers'. jerry dycus > > Amen. Sam, you say it so well. 8^) Corrosive > diatribes and intolerant > cynicism only serve to subvert understanding and > hinder our general > advancement. > > >You can look at this site: > http://www.fut.es/~sje/mag_fuel.htm > > > >as they have some info on the subject of magnets in > regards to fuel, > >but do not take anyones word for it. This is the > internet after all. > > Interesting web site. The method of giving opposite > magnetic > polarities to the incoming air and fuel certainly > sounds worth > experimenting with. I'll give it a go and see if I > can duplicate the > results given on that site and by yourself. Thanks. > -- > ...Warren Rekow > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
We use to know this air force guy who was servicing the u-wave tower. Some asshole turn on the power, and he does not need to use condoms anymore. Gerry "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 05/23/2001 09:37:09 AM Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: cc:(bcc: LEE Gerry/Prin Engr/CSM/ST Group) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? if you sit in front of one, your molecules will vibrate nicely. like a frog in a pot of boiling water. I have no data on the health affects from microwave towers. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? > Hi Steve, > Tends to support my sceptical attitude if such is the case. > What about high powered Microwave Transmission Towers used by the > telecommunications industry as I know there is widespread debate on that > one? > B.r., David > > - Original Message - > From: Steve Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:40 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? > > > > the cancer/power line myth was put to rest. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
if you sit in front of one, your molecules will vibrate nicely. like a frog in a pot of boiling water. I have no data on the health affects from microwave towers. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? > Hi Steve, > Tends to support my sceptical attitude if such is the case. > What about high powered Microwave Transmission Towers used by the > telecommunications industry as I know there is widespread debate on that > one? > B.r., David > > - Original Message - > From: Steve Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:40 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? > > > > the cancer/power line myth was put to rest. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
Hi Steve, Tends to support my sceptical attitude if such is the case. What about high powered Microwave Transmission Towers used by the telecommunications industry as I know there is widespread debate on that one? B.r., David - Original Message - From: Steve Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? > the cancer/power line myth was put to rest. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
the cancer/power line myth was put to rest. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Warren, Sam, et al, > I am still very sceptical, have done very > little reading on the subject, and remain a doubting Thomas but it dosnt > mean you shouldnt try as despite all claims to the contrary magnetic force > fields are not well understood. I am well aware that people who live under > or in close proximity to high tension power transmission lines reportedly > suffer from a higher incidence of cancer. > B.r., David > > - Original Message - > From: Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:30 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? > > > > Sam said: > > > I need not, nor have any desire to convince anyone on earth other > > >than myself as to the validity of said circumstances or scientific > > >properties thereof. > > > > Amen. Sam, you say it so well. 8^) Corrosive diatribes and intolerant > > cynicism only serve to subvert understanding and hinder our general > > advancement. > > > > >You can look at this site: http://www.fut.es/~sje/mag_fuel.htm > > > > > >as they have some info on the subject of magnets in regards to fuel, > > >but do not take anyones word for it. This is the internet after all. > > > > Interesting web site. The method of giving opposite magnetic > > polarities to the incoming air and fuel certainly sounds worth > > experimenting with. I'll give it a go and see if I can duplicate the > > results given on that site and by yourself. Thanks. > > -- > > ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
Warren, Sam, et al, I am still very sceptical, have done very little reading on the subject, and remain a doubting Thomas but it dosnt mean you shouldnt try as despite all claims to the contrary magnetic force fields are not well understood. I am well aware that people who live under or in close proximity to high tension power transmission lines reportedly suffer from a higher incidence of cancer. B.r., David - Original Message - From: Warren Rekow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:30 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic? > Sam said: > > I need not, nor have any desire to convince anyone on earth other > >than myself as to the validity of said circumstances or scientific > >properties thereof. > > Amen. Sam, you say it so well. 8^) Corrosive diatribes and intolerant > cynicism only serve to subvert understanding and hinder our general > advancement. > > >You can look at this site: http://www.fut.es/~sje/mag_fuel.htm > > > >as they have some info on the subject of magnets in regards to fuel, > >but do not take anyones word for it. This is the internet after all. > > Interesting web site. The method of giving opposite magnetic > polarities to the incoming air and fuel certainly sounds worth > experimenting with. I'll give it a go and see if I can duplicate the > results given on that site and by yourself. Thanks. > -- > ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
Sam said: > I need not, nor have any desire to convince anyone on earth other >than myself as to the validity of said circumstances or scientific >properties thereof. Amen. Sam, you say it so well. 8^) Corrosive diatribes and intolerant cynicism only serve to subvert understanding and hinder our general advancement. >You can look at this site: http://www.fut.es/~sje/mag_fuel.htm > >as they have some info on the subject of magnets in regards to fuel, >but do not take anyones word for it. This is the internet after all. Interesting web site. The method of giving opposite magnetic polarities to the incoming air and fuel certainly sounds worth experimenting with. I'll give it a go and see if I can duplicate the results given on that site and by yourself. Thanks. -- ...Warren Rekow Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> David, Steve, Jerry and all, > > I need not, nor have any desire to convince anyone on earth other > than myself as to the validity of said circumstances or scientific > properties thereof. I simply do not have the time to dwell on it for > any persons sake other than my own. Others here may have that job, > not me. . Sam, I'll take you as my summation attorney almost any day. Cohesive, sound logic in your reproof, no matter whether it be magnets, elephants that fly, cosmic or microscopic particles unseen. Too bad my fuel lines are made of neolenin. (A secret Cuban polymer derived from cigar tobacco gums scraped off industry curing racks.) Salute! (Comrade) [Just in case one of those radical right wing, strike fear and terror in their hearts, anti- common sensers is listening.] Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: magnetic savings=magic?
David, Steve, Jerry and all, I need not, nor have any desire to convince anyone on earth other than myself as to the validity of said circumstances or scientific properties thereof. I simply do not have the time to dwell on it for any persons sake other than my own. Others here may have that job, not me. I am selfish in that I think you should try it for yourself as I have and not take things you see written on any message group as the gospel truth. I can only speak for myself and for what I have seen, what I have done and what works for me. Dozens of tankfulls have convinced me that something is going on there and I do not need another persons opinion as to the fact that it is, or is not. Driving conditions have been averaged many times before I gave the 4-5 mpg figure. I do not care if you disagree with this statement. Others come up with as much as 30% with increased power as well. You can explore this yourself. I have paved the way to my successes with mileage and feel that you should do the same if you are so inclined. I see you all have explored this matter in great depth and you remain extremely skeptical. If what you have learned about it is good enough for you, then I can accept that. I can accept that it is YOUR opinion. I, for that matter, am very skeptical of almost everyone in all of these message groups that can consider themselves experts of everything known to man. THAT seems highly unlikely to me. Please, I mean no ill will towards anyone mentioned, nor anyone else here. Again it is just my observance of things I see when I step back and look at the big picture. The breaking down of petroleum based products by **many** means is well documented. Your catalytic converter does that every time you turn the ignition switch. Unfortunately, it is in the wrong place to do us any good at all. Do you believe that known catalysts are the only triggers that can do this? I'm serious... There are many, many fuel catalysts. It would take you quite a long time to list them all and I'm almost positive you would leave some out of the picture if you did. Most of the precious metals are on the list as well as some common metals One of the best catalysts at the present you can work with is not a metal at all. It is Zeolites, a mineral. It is used in some high-end cat litter to minimize smell as well as refinery applications. See what the professionals are using to break down olefins and go with that in your on-board mobile refinery if you want to seek high mileage gains. My advice... Take it or leave it... shove it down the drain... Whatever... I do not think that magnets and what they can do is magic, though they are used by many folks to create illusions. Magnets are real, with real properties that we have only begun to explore. Without them, you could not possibly read this type, drive in a car or generate electricity to name a few incidentals. Any household out there has thousands of magnets in countless numbers of gadgets doing wonderfull things. That is what I believe. You can look at this site: http://www.fut.es/~sje/mag_fuel.htm as they have some info on the subject of magnets in regards to fuel, but do not take anyones word for it. This is the internet after all. D.I.Y Peace, Sam --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam, > I sometimes think this is why some of these things work. Because > people want them to work they work. The easiest way to obtain high mpg is to > keep your foot off the gas pedal. This works everytime in my experience. For > trials to be comparable all the variables have to remain constant and when > you come to motor vehicles they invariably are not. Forgive me if I am > cynical but unless you can totally convince me that long hydrocarbon chains > are being broken down to shorter chains and better vaporisation is occurring > as a result of the magnetic field I remain totally sceptical. I admit I have > done very little research on this aspect. Years ago I spent 5 months > travelling the length and breadth of India seeing quite a lot of things I > could not understand. As I have grown older I have learnt or understand how > most of them were done. There are a number of things I still cant explain > but because I cant explain them dosnt make them magic. Ninety nine % of the > time there is a logical explantion. Forgive me if I am still critical. > B.r., David > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:16 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnetic savings / alky + dyno / hard water / > > > > > I use fuel line magnets myself, the rare earth variety out of the PC > hard drives, and I get a steady mileage increase of 4-5 mpg. I firmly > believe in them myself. Not everyone who has tried them gets good > results right off the bat. The trick is to move them around until you > find a sweet spot an
