Re: [biofuel] oil production
Doug Foskey wrote: Permaculture is a design system, not a farming system. Which is not to knock it. But,IMO, you'd do better to start with the work of Howard and the founders of organic growing, or at least add it to permaculture. I think this is underrating Permaculture a bit. It IS a system, that can be used for many Sustainable purposes. The Design section is just one part of the overall picture. It's Permaculture people who say it's a design system, not a farming system. But maybe other Permaculture people say different. In fact I've seen some really bad farming design come out of Permaculture, very limited. Certainly not well integrated, almost at the expense of other systems. But I've seen good Permaculture design too. Permaculture is an adaptation of Peasant agriculture systems, so is more than Organic agriculture, as it tends to look at the overall planning of the integration of systems, tries to keep systems self sustaining (like a Forest) as much as possible. That's what organic farming does, and is - developed by Albert Howard through 25 years of working with (and for) peasant farmers in India. I see better integration with organic farms than I do with Permaculture. I see several weaknesses in Permaculture, though like many such systems, it rather depends on the practitioner (as with organics). It is more likely to be better integrated, and more sustainable, if the material I referred to is included. Again: Start here: http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/howard.html And here: http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/howardAT/ATtoc.html There's a great deal more of this, but that's where to start. (This last point is incredibly hard to develop, but is an aim.) I don't think it's so hard, I haven't found it so, in quite a few different situations. Doug (Another Aussie like Bill Mollison.) He's a Tassie, not an Aussie! :-) Anyway, to each his own, as I said I wasn't knocking it - though I have now. That tends to happen when things that are complementary get compared with each other, as with SVO vs biodiesel, a non-argument. Regards Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] oil production
Permaculture is a design system, not a farming system. Which is not to knock it. But,IMO, you'd do better to start with the work of Howard and the founders of organic growing, or at least add it to permaculture. I think this is underrating Permaculture a bit. It IS a system, that can be used for many Sustainable purposes. The Design section is just one part of the overall picture. Permaculture is an adaptation of Peasant agriculture systems, so is more than Organic agriculture, as it tends to look at the overall planning of the integration of systems, tries to keep systems self sustaining (like a Forest) as much as possible. (This last point is incredibly hard to develop, but is an aim.) Doug (Another Aussie like Bill Mollison.) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] oil production
Hello, Keith, I was wondering about some of the information I have seen you post regarding the amount of world food production that is produced with no land. I think I remember seeing 15% and I am wondering if you could point me towards some sources for that information. We are running a permaculture designers course here right now and I got into a discussion with one of the instructors who was very interested by those figures. I am also interested in what the list feels is the potential for the production of oil crops without taking up agricultural space for food production. and thanks for all the posts on the drum modification, I am well on my way now. cheers, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 242-359-7697 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] oil production
Hello, Keith, I was wondering about some of the information I have seen you post regarding the amount of world food production that is produced with no land. I think I remember seeing 15% and I am wondering if you could point me towards some sources for that information. We are running a permaculture designers course here right now and I got into a discussion with one of the instructors who was very interested by those figures. I am also interested in what the list feels is the potential for the production of oil crops without taking up agricultural space for food production. and thanks for all the posts on the drum modification, I am well on my way now. cheers, Jack Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 242-359-7697 fax www.islandschool.org Permaculture is a design system, not a farming system. Which is not to knock it. But,IMO, you'd do better to start with the work of Howard and the founders of organic growing, or at least add it to permaculture. Start here: http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/howard.html And here: http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/howardAT/ATtoc.html To answer your question, these links should help: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=18805list=BIOFUEL http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=1395list=BIOFUELS-BIZ There's a lot about this in both archives, if you look around. http://www.fao.org/News/1996/961007-E.HTM Urban farming Growing urban farms provide useful greens and earnings for poor, but reforms could boost supplies http://www.foodfirst.org/pubs/policybs/pb4.html The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture In the Context of Global Trade Negotiations -- By Peter M. Rosset, Ph.D. http://www.idrc.ca/books/reports/V213/index.html IDRC Reports Archives: October 1993 (Volume 21, Number 3) FARMING IN THE CITY: THE RISE OF URBAN AGRICULTURE Lots more information here: http://journeytoforever.org/cityfarm.html City farms: Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/farm.html Small farms: Journey to Forever regards Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
