[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] ending of biofuels-biz list

2004-01-20 Thread Keith Addison

>As the very first contributor to the list, my thanks to Keith for his
>sterling work, and an obvious question:
>Will the archives still be accessible from Martin Klingensmith's NNYTech
>site?
>
>David T.

Thankyou David for your kind words. And thankyou for your 
contributions all this time. I remember your first message, signed 
Aeolus, right? About what to do with sub-spec brew.

Martin and I have been discussing the archives. I was thinking of 
merging it with the Biofuel list archives. Would you prefer to have a 
separate archives? In a merged archives you'd find information from 
Biofuels-biz, but you'd find a lot more too, more depth, but 
searching wouldn't be any less efficient or slower. AFAIK. Interested 
to hear your opinion on this, and any other opinions. Maybe it could 
be both stand-alone and merged with Biofuel, but I'd have to ask 
Martin about that, I don't want to put him to too much bother.

Regards

Keith


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[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] ending of biofuels-biz list

2004-01-20 Thread David Teal

As the very first contributor to the list, my thanks to Keith for his
sterling work, and an obvious question:
Will the archives still be accessible from Martin Klingensmith's NNYTech
site?

David T.


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[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] ending of biofuels-biz list and the discussion of the need for standards which might help to promote the biofuels biz

2004-01-19 Thread Keith Addison

MM wrote:

>If I understand correctly, Keith is proposing that the needs for the
>biofuels biz list have been more or less fulfilled and that in part
>due to time constraints, he is going to wrap-it-up and just keep the
>biofuels list up and going.  That's fine and I offer no criticism of
>that decision.

That's more or less right, more news soon. Hm, actually I didn't say 
the needs for the biofuels biz list have been more or less fulfilled, 
bit different. Here's the message:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/4095/

>What I want to say is that of the many issues I've seen discussed, and
>whose discussion has been furthered and encouraged by the existence of
>forums designed to allow for fruitful brainstorming and information
>exchange, one of the issues of prime ongoing not-settled (in my view)
>importance is the issue of the relation of small producers to
>government chemical and business regulations.

Indeed not settled.

>In my view, a primary way that the US (and probably other) government
>opposes and messes up progress in alt fuels is to do and say nothing.
>There is (in my view) a job to do here to provide for some
>guidance and some response to what is going on in the community,
>instead of getting in the way to decide if or when there are any
>reasonable (by whose standard?) laws or regulations that would help
>rather than hinder development of at-home and small-scale biofuel
>production in the US.
>
>So, even if the biz discussion group is ended, I hope we continue to
>see productive discussion of this issue.

Actually I think the Biofuels-biz group had become irrelevant, such a 
discussion is much more likely to happen at the Biofuel list, and 
likely to be more fruitful too.

I agree with you MM. This is a follow-on from your previous message 
in response to my forwarding the "Politics of Energy: Oil & Gas" 
article - your message is here:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/31275/

I wanted to reply to that but haven't had a chance yet, no 
keyboarding time for me today, and now it's nearly dawn and I'm going 
to crash. More later... But meanwhile please go ahead with anything 
you can think of to get such a discussion going here, I'll try to 
jump aboard once I've uncrashed.

regards

Keith




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