RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
> >Thanks Todd. You've removed about one degree of obfuscation. > > What obfuscation? I resent that. Obfuscation indeed. > My apologies. Perhaps that was too strong a word. > It was clear enough. What wasn't clear? For the most part, it wasn't clear to me what exactly was being referred to. > > >Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Like this sentence. Who is "squealing"? What are they squealing about. It just wasn't clear to me who or what was being referred to. > > It's news to you that the industrialised countries, and particularly > the US, behave like heroin addicts when it comes to fossil fuels? I don't know if it's "news" to me or not, I guess I just had never heard it stated in quite that way. It is a good metaphor. > Right (yawn). You'll find most of this stuff dispensed with in the > archives. > What archives? I thought of this as a discussion group, not an archive... The archives that's linked at the end of every message you receive, where all Biofuel list messages over the last five years are stored, all 38,000+ of them, and which you can search to find just about any information on biofuels. It's probably the biggest and best treasurehouse of biofuels information on the Internet. The same archives which many people refer to in providing links to previous discussions and previous posts. What did you think happens to previous messages, that we flush them down the toilet? List resources Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Especially the searchable list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The archives contains more than 38,000 messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. -- From the List rules: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Haven't heard of them either? I guess I wasn't paying attention either. Seems not. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner > Todd's too kind - two out of five? I'd give it zilch. Thank you. This sort of statement is very clear. That's pretty much what I was looking for. > > I think there's a difference between asking for a little > clarification and not paying attention and then yelling "obfuscation". > > Keith Again, my apologies. I didn't realize I was "yelling". I guess I wasn't paying attention either. No offense intended. Cheers. George ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
> > >Thanks Todd. You've removed about one degree of obfuscation. > > What obfuscation? I resent that. Obfuscation indeed. > My apologies. Perhaps that was too strong a word. > It was clear enough. What wasn't clear? For the most part, it wasn't clear to me what exactly was being referred to. > > >Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Like this sentence. Who is "squealing"? What are they squealing about. It just wasn't clear to me who or what was being referred to. > > It's news to you that the industrialised countries, and particularly > the US, behave like heroin addicts when it comes to fossil fuels? I don't know if it's "news" to me or not, I guess I just had never heard it stated in quite that way. It is a good metaphor. > Right (yawn). You'll find most of this stuff dispensed with in the > archives. > What archives? I thought of this as a discussion group, not an archive... > Todd's too kind - two out of five? I'd give it zilch. Thank you. This sort of statement is very clear. That's pretty much what I was looking for. > > I think there's a difference between asking for a little > clarification and not paying attention and then yelling "obfuscation". > > Keith Again, my apologies. I didn't realize I was "yelling". I guess I wasn't paying attention either. No offense intended. Cheers. George ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
> What it sounds more like is tht you have an inkling of an itching to pick > a > bone (stir up a "debate?") with someone. Hmm. Sorry if I came across in that manner. That was not my intention at all. I am not the least bit interested in that sort of thing. Who has time for it? I was merely genuinely interested in what the general impression was of the book. That's all. Perhaps my posting was a bit unclear as well. It's always difficult to read through someone else's glasses. Cheers. George ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
George, What it sounds more like is tht you have an inkling of an itching to pick a bone (stir up a "debate?") with someone. It's not too terribly difficult to catch the drift of another if one hears what one is listening to, or in this case reading. Nothing wrong with a little clarification. Just pointing out that from this side of the keyhole the drift seemed to be pretty clear. I suppose one could always wait and see just exactly what the author's drift was intended to be. I think I know where I'd place my bets. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "George Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > Thanks Todd. You've removed about one degree of obfuscation. Not what I > would call clarity, but I get the impression that this piece of writing is > not being rated too highly. That's what I suspected Keith was saying, it > just wasn't terribly clear. Nor was your response for that matter. > > I haven't been following the list too closely, but for some reason the > posting for that book caught my eye. I followed the link, read about 10 > pages and found the premise a bit intriguing, but also felt it seemed a bit > apocalyptic. I was just curious to see what Keith and others thought of it. > I still don't know exactly. What's wrong with asking for a little > clarification? > > Cheers, > > George > > George Page > www.seabreezefarm.net > Vashon Island, WA USA > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Appal Energy > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:14 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > > > George, > > > > What part of > > > > "They haven't even really started to think..." or "...not nearly enough of > > the sort of approach you often see from..." do you find difficult to > > understand and "cryptic?" > > > > Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what > > the > > process of "read[ing] through a keyhole" would be like - how narrow the > > view/scope/perceptions might be as a result. > > > > If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as > > if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just > > dedicating it to the round file or fireplace. > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "George Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM > > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > > > > > > Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little > > > cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but > > are > > > you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply > > > fear-mongering? > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > > > George > > > > > > George Page > > > www.seabreezefarm.net > > > Vashon Island, WA USA > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > > > > Of Keith Addison > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > > > > > > > >http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html > > > > > > > > > >Free until US elections > > > > > > > > Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of > > > > Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of > > > > approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about > > > > energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy > > > > supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve > > > > energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming > > > > and energy supply, and what we all know about how "seriously", if > > > > that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take > > > > sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about > > > > i
RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
What obfuscation? I resent that. Obfuscation indeed. Not what I would call clarity, but I get the impression that this piece of writing is not being rated too highly. That's what I suspected Keith was saying, it just wasn't terribly clear. Nor was your response for that matter. I haven't been following the list too closely, but for some reason the posting for that book caught my eye. I followed the link, read about 10 pages and found the premise a bit intriguing, but also felt it seemed a bit apocalyptic. I was just curious to see what Keith and others thought of it. I still don't know exactly. What's wrong with asking for a little clarification? It was clear enough. What wasn't clear? Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. It's news to you that the industrialised countries, and particularly the US, behave like heroin addicts when it comes to fossil fuels? So many people here and elsewhere have said that. Stand between them and their oil and they'll kill you. It's Lesson 1 in biofuels and renewables that trying to substitute alternatives for the West's current energy use and future growth is a non-starter. It has to change. It's not sustainable in any way, and it's grossly inequitable, at the foundation of much or most of the injustice in today's world. It's anti-life. But that's what this guy wants. Have a look at what he says about biodiesel. "Alternatives to oil: Fuels of the future or cruel hoaxes?" LOL! "The Twilight of the Modern World: Four Stages of Breakdown - This should give you some idea of what to expect as we slide down the downslope of energy production." "Civilization as we know it is coming to end soon." The end of CAWKI, aarg! "Food, Land, Population and the US Economy - Not enough food and land for the population is an extremely bad combination for the economy." Right (yawn). You'll find most of this stuff dispensed with in the archives. You don't know Jay Hanson? You're not missing much. Look it up. Take our heroin away and we'll all die. Todd's too kind - two out of five? I'd give it zilch. Hubbert's Peak meets The Day After Tomorrow. So what. I think there's a difference between asking for a little clarification and not paying attention and then yelling "obfuscation". Keith Cheers, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Appal Energy > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > George, > > What part of > > "They haven't even really started to think..." or "...not nearly enough of > the sort of approach you often see from..." do you find difficult to > understand and "cryptic?" > > Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what > the > process of "read[ing] through a keyhole" would be like - how narrow the > view/scope/perceptions might be as a result. > > If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as > if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just > dedicating it to the round file or fireplace. > > Todd Swearingen > > - Original Message - > From: "George Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > > > Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little > > cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but > are > > you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply > > fear-mongering? > > > > Thanks much, > > > > George > > > > George Page > > www.seabreezefarm.net > > Vashon Island, WA USA > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > > Of Keith Addison > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > > > > > >http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html > > > > > > > >Free until US elections > > > > > > Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of > > > Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of > > > approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says a
RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
Thanks Todd. You've removed about one degree of obfuscation. Not what I would call clarity, but I get the impression that this piece of writing is not being rated too highly. That's what I suspected Keith was saying, it just wasn't terribly clear. Nor was your response for that matter. I haven't been following the list too closely, but for some reason the posting for that book caught my eye. I followed the link, read about 10 pages and found the premise a bit intriguing, but also felt it seemed a bit apocalyptic. I was just curious to see what Keith and others thought of it. I still don't know exactly. What's wrong with asking for a little clarification? Cheers, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Appal Energy > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > George, > > What part of > > "They haven't even really started to think..." or "...not nearly enough of > the sort of approach you often see from..." do you find difficult to > understand and "cryptic?" > > Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what > the > process of "read[ing] through a keyhole" would be like - how narrow the > view/scope/perceptions might be as a result. > > If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as > if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just > dedicating it to the round file or fireplace. > > Todd Swearingen > > ----- Original Message - > From: "George Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > > > Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little > > cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but > are > > you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply > > fear-mongering? > > > > Thanks much, > > > > George > > > > George Page > > www.seabreezefarm.net > > Vashon Island, WA USA > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > > Of Keith Addison > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > > > > > >http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html > > > > > > > >Free until US elections > > > > > > Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of > > > Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of > > > approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about > > > energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy > > > supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve > > > energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming > > > and energy supply, and what we all know about how "seriously", if > > > that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take > > > sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about > > > it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right > > > kind of grunting noises. > > > > > > I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you > > > read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. > > > > > > Best > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > ___ > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
I suppose I should have read it first. It was a link sent to me by a friend on another list. Haven't been reading much. If I have any energy I put it into walking. Kirk Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: George, What part of "They haven't even really started to think..." or "...not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from..." do you find difficult to understand and "cryptic?" Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what the process of "read[ing] through a keyhole" would be like - how narrow the view/scope/perceptions might be as a result. If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just dedicating it to the round file or fireplace. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "George Page" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little > cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but are > you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply > fear-mongering? > > Thanks much, > > George > > George Page > www.seabreezefarm.net > Vashon Island, WA USA > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Keith Addison > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > > > >http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html > > > > > >Free until US elections > > > > Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of > > Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of > > approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about > > energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy > > supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve > > energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming > > and energy supply, and what we all know about how "seriously", if > > that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take > > sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about > > it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right > > kind of grunting noises. > > > > I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you > > read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
George, What part of "They haven't even really started to think..." or "...not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from..." do you find difficult to understand and "cryptic?" Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what the process of "read[ing] through a keyhole" would be like - how narrow the view/scope/perceptions might be as a result. If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just dedicating it to the round file or fireplace. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "George Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little > cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but are > you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply > fear-mongering? > > Thanks much, > > George > > George Page > www.seabreezefarm.net > Vashon Island, WA USA > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Keith Addison > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > > > >http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html > > > > > >Free until US elections > > > > Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of > > Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of > > approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about > > energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy > > supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve > > energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming > > and energy supply, and what we all know about how "seriously", if > > that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take > > sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about > > it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right > > kind of grunting noises. > > > > I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you > > read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but are you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply fear-mongering? Thanks much, George George Page www.seabreezefarm.net Vashon Island, WA USA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Keith Addison > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over" > > >http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html > > > >Free until US elections > > Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of > Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of > approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about > energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy > supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve > energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming > and energy supply, and what we all know about how "seriously", if > that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take > sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about > it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right > kind of grunting noises. > > I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you > read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. > > Best > > Keith > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
Free until US elections Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming and energy supply, and what we all know about how "seriously", if that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right kind of grunting noises. I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
