Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
Hi Kevin >Thanks for the info on the condenser plans to everyone who shared in the >discussion. I did not realize that some info in Journey's website had >specifics in the "Simple 5 gallon Processor". I think I passed this info >over when I was on my reactor quest and the condenser paragraph was >meaningless to me at the time. -Thanks Keith Well, it's one way. There were some provisos, as mentioned in the previous message I reffed: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/34289/ >So I have the basics and would hopefully like to still see some plans posted >in the future. As far as we're concerned, we don't usually do plans. We're not averse to them and wouldn't mind posting other people's plans, if they're worth it, but we cobble stuff together out of bits and pieces, junk usually, and everyone's bits and pieces of junk are different. So the intention is to show what's possible so that people can improvise and adapt what they have to hand to serve the same purpose (and perhaps make some improvements that they might tell us about so we could post those too). I know everyone's not into that, some people need specifics and don't mind spending money, but that's the way we do it, and anyway I believe a lot of those people could surprise themselves and do it this way too if they'd only try. That's a very empowering thing to discover, which is a major aspect of DIY biofuels, we think. There's an overpowering miasma of engendered helplessness and dependence in our societies these days, we're not nearly as competent and generally capable as our fathers and grandfathers were, and it's nonsense - we haven't changed, we're just as capable of learning to fend for ourselves as they were. It's just an attitude, which very much suits the powers-that-be. Attitudes aren't made of concrete. Pardon me. :-) >Converting a liquid-to-a-gas, back to a liquid (Methanol), >sounds easy enough. Let's discuss parts: > >Coaxial coil piping system: I haven't checked where to purchase coaxial >pipe yet, (Donnie mentioned a beer homebrewing) but it appears that this >can cool the gas efficiently using a cheap re-circulation water pump from >let's say, a sealed bucket or as someone said a cooler of icewater? Of >course it takes energy to make ice in the first place, but what else could >cool the lines? Tap water. Have another look at that condensing section at the "Simple 5 gallon Processor" page. In theory the cooling water only has to be less than 64.7 deg C, 148.5 deg F, the boiling point of methanol. The bigger the gap the better, but you don't need ice. If the weather's real hot and it could use cooler water, or to prevent having to change the water when it got hot (it gets hot), you could rig a sort of inline evaporative drip cooling set-up the water would go through en route from the condenser back to the reservoir (bucket or whatever). I think that's quite easy and cheap, but you'd need someone else to tell you exactly how. >Heater: Most likely I'll use a 1500w-1650w electric water heater threaded >into the bottom of a 15 gallon metal drum. Girl Mark passed this heater >idea to me when I was inquiring about a pre-heat WVO tank. The pre-heat >tank can now serve a duel purpose. > >I'm not sure how I'm going to seal the lid. Being the drum is a standard >size, I may be able to purchase a metal lid and a ring collar to seal it. That would be best. Make sure there's a seal in the lid (silicon or whatever). >For the methanol gas vapors, I imagine I would install a valve in the lid to >the coaxial pipe, but could use some ideas? I'm not sure if I can mount a >funnel-style lid as sealing this to a 15 gallon metal drum could be >difficult Idea's??? Get a lid first and see what it offers. If there are caps you can drill a hole in a cap and connect the condenser pipe to it. A direct connection might be a little awkward if it's a screw-on cap, but you could use a junction. regards Keith >-Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
Thanks for the info on the condenser plans to everyone who shared in the discussion. I did not realize that some info in Journey's website had specifics in the "Simple 5 gallon Processor". I think I passed this info over when I was on my reactor quest and the condenser paragraph was meaningless to me at the time. -Thanks Keith So I have the basics and would hopefully like to still see some plans posted in the future. Converting a liquid-to-a-gas, back to a liquid (Methanol), sounds easy enough. Let's discuss parts: Coaxial coil piping system: I haven't checked where to purchase coaxial pipe yet, (Donnie mentioned a beer homebrewing) but it appears that this can cool the gas efficiently using a cheap re-circulation water pump from let's say, a sealed bucket or as someone said a cooler of icewater? Of course it takes energy to make ice in the first place, but what else could cool the lines? Heater: Most likely I'll use a 1500w-1650w electric water heater threaded into the bottom of a 15 gallon metal drum. Girl Mark passed this heater idea to me when I was inquiring about a pre-heat WVO tank. The pre-heat tank can now serve a duel purpose. I'm not sure how I'm going to seal the lid. Being the drum is a standard size, I may be able to purchase a metal lid and a ring collar to seal it. For the methanol gas vapors, I imagine I would install a valve in the lid to the coaxial pipe, but could use some ideas? I'm not sure if I can mount a funnel-style lid as sealing this to a 15 gallon metal drum could be difficult Idea's??? -Kevin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
Before you read further, I must start by apologizing for anything I say. I've never made a batch of BD or anything to that nature. But I figured I'd offer my own idea and plan to make a condenser. Here is a link to my lovely drawing: http://www.agrath.com/condenser.bmp Color coded for ease of use. Let me explain it. The red is the stuff we trying to get methanol out of. We heat that to the boiling point of methanol (150?). Then, the methanol turns into a gas and should travel up into the white funnel. This funnels the gas into the blue condenser. I personally would like to use a piece of 1 or 2 inch copper pipe with either a quarter inch piece of copper coiled around it to provide fresh water for cooling, and or one of those flexible steel tubes to do the same thing. The black and green part is simply the container that the methanol will drop into. Like I said, I really have no clue, but that is similar to what I've seen in other condensers. There is another one in which the condenser is submerged in water, I think this would work fine as well. I'm not exactly sure on the weight of methanol gas, so I'm not sure if it will rise to meet the condesner in my drawing, but I think it would. You would also need some way to keep cool water running through that coil, a small pump in a small tub of water should suffice though. Once again, just my silly ramblings. Randall Sanborn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
How about just running the condenser coil through a cooler, or any container for that matter, of ice water. A small 6QT cooler available at any home/department store for $5 would work great. We use the exact same system to chill a hard cider tap at the bar I work at. Never runs warm. Good luck, Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how cool it has to get in the condenser but a counterflow chiller might work. It's a copper pipe in a coil surrounded by a garden hose. You run the water through the hose the opposite direction of the flow inside the copper coil. It would use a lot of water though. You can buy the fittings at a home-brew shop or here: www.northernbrewer.com -Donnie On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:18:11 +0100, "î Riain, Michael" wrote: > > Kevin , > > I can't offer you very much help on this one - I've been on the lookout for > the > same plans myself recently but have not come across very much specifically on > condensers . > > I gather from what I've read that most people channel the methanol vapours > through a coil which sits in a bath of cold water. I've also read references > to > air cooling the coil with a fan but the water cooling seems to be favoured as > more efficient. > The water in the bath will need to be cooled. i guess if you had a large holding > tank circulating water through the cooling bath, the hotter water returning to > the large tank would release its heat to the surrounding environment . > Apologies > - this may be one of those things that is easier done than said. > > The guy with the Touchless Processor - http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html > > uses a coaxial pipe system - a small pipe sitting inside a larger one - the > vapours run through the small pipe and a jacket of cold water circulates > through > the larger one. he reckons this system, though simple, is very effective. > > Please let me know if you find anything useful. > > m > > > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 June 2004 06:38 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans > > > Journey's website has lot's of info, but have not found any detailed plans to > construct a condenser to recover methanol. (unless I missed it?) > > Can anyone point me in the directions to construct a condenser to process 5-20 > gal of biodiesel waste (Glycerin, Methanol,etc) and convert to usable methanol > again? > > Pictures appreciated > > > Thank you, > Kevin Shea > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ** > Th contents of this e-mail (including attachments)are private and confidential > and may also be subject to legal privilege. It is intended only for the use of > the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for > delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or deliver this e-mail or any > attachments to anyone else or make any use of its contents; you should not > read > any part of this e-mail or any attachments. Unauthorised disclosure or > communication or other use of the contents of this e-mail or any part thereof may > be prohibited by law and may constitute a criminal offence. > > If you receive this e-mail by mistake please notify the system manager @ > +353-1-647-2417. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of known computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ** > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text p
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
I don't know how cool it has to get in the condenser but a counterflow chiller might work. It's a copper pipe in a coil surrounded by a garden hose. You run the water through the hose the opposite direction of the flow inside the copper coil. It would use a lot of water though. You can buy the fittings at a home-brew shop or here: www.northernbrewer.com -Donnie On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:18:11 +0100, "î Riain, Michael" wrote: > > Kevin , > > I can't offer you very much help on this one - I've been on the lookout for > the > same plans myself recently but have not come across very much specifically on > condensers . > > I gather from what I've read that most people channel the methanol vapours > through a coil which sits in a bath of cold water. I've also read references > to > air cooling the coil with a fan but the water cooling seems to be favoured as > more efficient. > The water in the bath will need to be cooled. i guess if you had a large holding > tank circulating water through the cooling bath, the hotter water returning to > the large tank would release its heat to the surrounding environment . > Apologies > - this may be one of those things that is easier done than said. > > The guy with the Touchless Processor - http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html > > uses a coaxial pipe system - a small pipe sitting inside a larger one - the > vapours run through the small pipe and a jacket of cold water circulates > through > the larger one. he reckons this system, though simple, is very effective. > > Please let me know if you find anything useful. > > m > > > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 June 2004 06:38 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans > > > Journey's website has lot's of info, but have not found any detailed plans to > construct a condenser to recover methanol. (unless I missed it?) > > Can anyone point me in the directions to construct a condenser to process 5-20 > gal of biodiesel waste (Glycerin, Methanol,etc) and convert to usable methanol > again? > > Pictures appreciated > > > Thank you, > Kevin Shea > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ** > Th contents of this e-mail (including attachments)are private and confidential > and may also be subject to legal privilege. It is intended only for the use of > the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for > delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or deliver this e-mail or any > attachments to anyone else or make any use of its contents; you should not > read > any part of this e-mail or any attachments. Unauthorised disclosure or > communication or other use of the contents of this e-mail or any part thereof may > be prohibited by law and may constitute a criminal offence. > > If you receive this e-mail by mistake please notify the system manager @ > +353-1-647-2417. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of known computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ** > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
Hello Gents, Am I to understand that the methanol can be recovered from the entire Biodiesel/Glycerin mix before decanting/separating? In doing this, do any separation problems occur? I don't plan to break down the glycerin into it's elements, rather I plan to use it as a degreaser/hand cleaner. Thanks, Steven Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Kevin, Michael >Kevin , > >I can't offer you very much help on this one - I've been on the >lookout for the same plans myself recently but have not come across >very much specifically on condensers . > >I gather from what I've read that most people channel the methanol >vapours through a coil which sits in a bath of cold water. I've also >read references to air cooling the coil with a fan but the water >cooling seems to be favoured as more efficient. >The water in the bath will need to be cooled. i guess if you had a >large holding tank circulating water through the cooling bath, the >hotter water returning to the large tank would release its heat to >the surrounding environment . Apologies - this may be one of those >things that is easier done than said. > >The guy with the Touchless Processor - >http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html > >uses a coaxial pipe system - a small pipe sitting inside a larger >one - the vapours run through the small pipe and a jacket of cold >water circulates through the larger one. he reckons this system, >though simple, is very effective. Dale uses vacuum as well. See recent "Vacuum Pump for Condenser" thread: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34041/1 Also, Dale's recovering the methanol from the complete catastrophe, not just the glycerine cocktail. There are advantages and disadvantages to that. Advantage would be that you get more back (which otherwise ends up in the first wash), disadvantages that you can't separate the by-product cocktail into it's components with the excess methanol removed, should you want to do that, and that it might leave a solidified by-product in the bottom of the tank once the meth's gone, especially if you use NaOH rather than KOH. Actually there is information on condensers at Journey to Forever, it's here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html#methcondens Simple 5-gallon processor I responded to a question about this recently, perhaps worth a read: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/34289/ Hope this helps. Best Keith >Please let me know if you find anything useful. > >m > > > >-Original Message- >From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 01 June 2004 06:38 >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans > > >Journey's website has lot's of info, but have not found any detailed >plans to construct a condenser to recover methanol. (unless I >missed it?) > >Can anyone point me in the directions to construct a condenser to >process 5-20 gal of biodiesel waste (Glycerin, Methanol,etc) and >convert to usable methanol again? > >Pictures appreciated > > >Thank you, >Kevin Shea Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
Thanks M. I have not a clue to construct a condensor unit. I do see pictures on biodiesel processors that have inline units, but it doesn't go into detail on parts needed and recommeded tips, such as the "Girl-Mark Fumeless" plans. This is really important and a great help in my biodiesel process. I've been storing glycerin in 5 gal carboys until such info can be found. I prefer to "know what I'm doing" when heating biodielsel byproduct for Methanol recovery. Anyone? - Original Message - From: "î Riain, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans > Kevin , > > I can't offer you very much help on this one - I've been on the lookout for the same plans myself recently but have not come across very much specifically on condensers . > > I gather from what I've read that most people channel the methanol vapours through a coil which sits in a bath of cold water. I've also read references to air cooling the coil with a fan but the water cooling seems to be favoured as more efficient. > The water in the bath will need to be cooled. i guess if you had a large holding tank circulating water through the cooling bath, the hotter water returning to the large tank would release its heat to the surrounding environment . Apologies - this may be one of those things that is easier done than said. > > The guy with the Touchless Processor - http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html > > uses a coaxial pipe system - a small pipe sitting inside a larger one - the vapours run through the small pipe and a jacket of cold water circulates through the larger one. he reckons this system, though simple, is very effective. > > Please let me know if you find anything useful. > > m > > > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 June 2004 06:38 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans > > > Journey's website has lot's of info, but have not found any detailed plans to construct a condenser to recover methanol. (unless I missed it?) > > Can anyone point me in the directions to construct a condenser to process 5-20 gal of biodiesel waste (Glycerin, Methanol,etc) and convert to usable methanol again? > > Pictures appreciated > > > Thank you, > Kevin Shea > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > ** > Th contents of this e-mail (including attachments)are private and confidential and may also be subject to legal privilege. It is intended only for the use of the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or deliver this e-mail or any attachments to anyone else or make any use of its contents; you should not read any part of this e-mail or any attachments. Unauthorised disclosure or communication or other use of the contents of this e-mail or any part thereof may be prohibited by law and may constitute a criminal offence. > > If you receive this e-mail by mistake please notify the system manager @ +353-1-647-2417. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of known computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ** > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
Hello Kevin, Michael >Kevin , > >I can't offer you very much help on this one - I've been on the >lookout for the same plans myself recently but have not come across >very much specifically on condensers . > >I gather from what I've read that most people channel the methanol >vapours through a coil which sits in a bath of cold water. I've also >read references to air cooling the coil with a fan but the water >cooling seems to be favoured as more efficient. >The water in the bath will need to be cooled. i guess if you had a >large holding tank circulating water through the cooling bath, the >hotter water returning to the large tank would release its heat to >the surrounding environment . Apologies - this may be one of those >things that is easier done than said. > >The guy with the Touchless Processor - >http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html > >uses a coaxial pipe system - a small pipe sitting inside a larger >one - the vapours run through the small pipe and a jacket of cold >water circulates through the larger one. he reckons this system, >though simple, is very effective. Dale uses vacuum as well. See recent "Vacuum Pump for Condenser" thread: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34041/1 Also, Dale's recovering the methanol from the complete catastrophe, not just the glycerine cocktail. There are advantages and disadvantages to that. Advantage would be that you get more back (which otherwise ends up in the first wash), disadvantages that you can't separate the by-product cocktail into it's components with the excess methanol removed, should you want to do that, and that it might leave a solidified by-product in the bottom of the tank once the meth's gone, especially if you use NaOH rather than KOH. Actually there is information on condensers at Journey to Forever, it's here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html#methcondens Simple 5-gallon processor I responded to a question about this recently, perhaps worth a read: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/34289/ Hope this helps. Best Keith >Please let me know if you find anything useful. > >m > > > >-Original Message- >From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 01 June 2004 06:38 >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans > > >Journey's website has lot's of info, but have not found any detailed >plans to construct a condenser to recover methanol. (unless I >missed it?) > >Can anyone point me in the directions to construct a condenser to >process 5-20 gal of biodiesel waste (Glycerin, Methanol,etc) and >convert to usable methanol again? > >Pictures appreciated > > >Thank you, >Kevin Shea Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans
Kevin , I can't offer you very much help on this one - I've been on the lookout for the same plans myself recently but have not come across very much specifically on condensers . I gather from what I've read that most people channel the methanol vapours through a coil which sits in a bath of cold water. I've also read references to air cooling the coil with a fan but the water cooling seems to be favoured as more efficient. The water in the bath will need to be cooled. i guess if you had a large holding tank circulating water through the cooling bath, the hotter water returning to the large tank would release its heat to the surrounding environment . Apologies - this may be one of those things that is easier done than said. The guy with the Touchless Processor - http://home.swbell.net/scrof/Biod_Proc.html uses a coaxial pipe system - a small pipe sitting inside a larger one - the vapours run through the small pipe and a jacket of cold water circulates through the larger one. he reckons this system, though simple, is very effective. Please let me know if you find anything useful. m -Original Message- From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 June 2004 06:38 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Glycerin-to-Methanol Condensor plans Journey's website has lot's of info, but have not found any detailed plans to construct a condenser to recover methanol. (unless I missed it?) Can anyone point me in the directions to construct a condenser to process 5-20 gal of biodiesel waste (Glycerin, Methanol,etc) and convert to usable methanol again? Pictures appreciated Thank you, Kevin Shea [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ** Th contents of this e-mail (including attachments)are private and confidential and may also be subject to legal privilege. It is intended only for the use of the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you may not copy or deliver this e-mail or any attachments to anyone else or make any use of its contents; you should not read any part of this e-mail or any attachments. Unauthorised disclosure or communication or other use of the contents of this e-mail or any part thereof may be prohibited by law and may constitute a criminal offence. If you receive this e-mail by mistake please notify the system manager @ +353-1-647-2417. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of known computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
