Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
A salamander is a type of gas-fired restaurant broiler that has an open top - that is, unlike a normal broiler for home use, where the broiler is is the oven, a salamander is a stand-alone broiler with an exposed flame - perfect for warming up cold engine - sort of.. Craig Bryan Fullerton wrote: > Sorry to appear ignorant but either the salamander you refer to is > not of > the coldblooded nature or I really missed the point(laugh) > > Bryan Fullerton > White Knight Gifts > www.youcandobusiness.com > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:54 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > > > > good points. reminds me of my neighbor who put a salamander under > his > truck > > to keep it warm one -30f night. woke up to the sound of fire engines > > ... > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
Sorry to appear ignorant but either the salamander you refer to is not of the coldblooded nature or I really missed the point(laugh) Bryan Fullerton White Knight Gifts www.youcandobusiness.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > good points. reminds me of my neighbor who put a salamander under his truck > to keep it warm one -30f night. woke up to the sound of fire engines ... > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter > & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: > http://www.green-trust.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:04 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > don't know about the gm's, but we used ether in sub zero temps to > > start our > > > big trucks every morning. just a quick shot in the breather to get Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting
Skeeters are the state bird of Alaska. Saw some big as robins. Later was told thems the small ones. Natives carry a shotgun for the bigger ones. -Original Message- From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:34 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting I been to and through Minnesota a few times during winter and that is cold.. Bites right through your clothes. hell of a vacation.. You should try and light one of those propane campstoves in that weather.. But the late spring the year before was worse, couldn't light the stove for the flock of birds buzzing around.. Later a native told us they were Mosquitos. Tennis racket came in handy but we had to give up on the stove and find a fast food joint instead.. Bryan Fullerton White Knight Gifts www.youcandobusiness.com - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:54 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I remember when it was so cold the barking of the dogs froze right > into the > > snow banks. > > You should have heard it during Spring thaw! > > :) > > I saw a couple of our hunting dogs out in the field with jumper > cables > > trying to jump start a jackrabbit! > > That's Montana cold. > > > > Kirk > > > > LOL! > My Grandfather told me that when he was young, it used to be his job > to carry water to the chickens. He had to leave the house with > boiling hot water, so it wouldn't freeze before he could pour it. > > Once he was too slow, and it froze in the bucket, and the ice was > still too hot to touch. ;-) > > That's Minnesota cold, where you need to chip your dog off of your > car tire before you can drive to work. > > Motie > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting
I been to and through Minnesota a few times during winter and that is cold.. Bites right through your clothes. hell of a vacation.. You should try and light one of those propane campstoves in that weather.. But the late spring the year before was worse, couldn't light the stove for the flock of birds buzzing around.. Later a native told us they were Mosquitos. Tennis racket came in handy but we had to give up on the stove and find a fast food joint instead.. Bryan Fullerton White Knight Gifts www.youcandobusiness.com - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:54 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I remember when it was so cold the barking of the dogs froze right > into the > > snow banks. > > You should have heard it during Spring thaw! > > :) > > I saw a couple of our hunting dogs out in the field with jumper > cables > > trying to jump start a jackrabbit! > > That's Montana cold. > > > > Kirk > > > > LOL! > My Grandfather told me that when he was young, it used to be his job > to carry water to the chickens. He had to leave the house with > boiling hot water, so it wouldn't freeze before he could pour it. > > Once he was too slow, and it froze in the bucket, and the ice was > still too hot to touch. ;-) > > That's Minnesota cold, where you need to chip your dog off of your > car tire before you can drive to work. > > Motie > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting
>but by then we couldn't remember the context. a good idea even in warm >weather. think before you speak. consider whether there is enough of a point >to verbalize (or type) :-) Well, okay, I'll own up - back home, when there still used to be such a thing, was a rather pleasant Mediterranean-type place where we knew a lot about heat but snow was picturesque-looking stuff on the tops of distant mountains. We'd never seen it up close and nothing ever froze over. Cold meant wet, and when it got really cold it also blew hard, but stayed wet, and then we'd read in the papers with some awe that an iceberg had drifted really close, less than a thousand miles to the south. We'd mutter sagely that the weather was changing, as people always will when things ain't wot they used to be, which they never are, not even nostalgia, and now even the climate isn't - but those folks still haven't seen a snowstorm, and almost certainly never will. When I did finally experience cold, I couldn't figure why people did it (even after spending an hour lying on my back on a bit of frozen tundra watching the aurora). I still can't - why not just go where it's warm? Beats me. You're right though - we didn't know what the hell we were talking about, that much is true, and in this instance I still don't: the context? Skiing at -40 F or C, frost-bitten lungs and diesels. Naah. Not balmy enough. The context I think of is what all the Indonesians, Thais, Indians, Kenyans, Guatemalans and all the other folks who know enough to choose a more sensible climate must think at this time of year when all talk turns to how to keep your home warm and stop your diesel getting frostbite. Many of them and all the Ozzies, New Zealanders and South Africans are thinking of the slap-up dinner they'll be scarfing in a week, in the midst of a blazing summer, made up of all the very best sorts of food traditionally needed to keep Northerners' innards warm and their hopes from flagging in the middle of a frozen winter. Best Keith >Steve Spence >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter >& Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: >http://www.green-trust.org >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >- Original Message - >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:29 AM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting > > > > >back home it was so cold, the spit never left your lips ;-) > > > > :-) > > > > Right, back home it was so cold the words came out of your mouth as > > blocks of ice and we had to thaw them out before we could hear what > > the hell we were talking about. > > > > >Steve Spence > > >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter > > >& Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: > > >http://www.green-trust.org > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >- Original Message - > > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:11 PM > > >Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting > > > > > > > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Actually, when I lived in Canada, we did ski in -40. It was great > > > > > because there were so few people on the hill. I loved it. BTW, - > > > > 40 is > > > > > both C & F, it is the point where they meet. > > > > > > > > > > I had a 1/4 ton truck that was diesel, we used to just leave it run > > > > when > > > > > it got that cold. > > > > > > > > > > Bright Blessings, > > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't do anything strenous enough to make you gasp for breath, or > > > > break into a sweat. Frost-bitten lungs are worse than Pneumonia and > > > > damp clothing leads to hypothermia rather quickly. Drinks lots of > > > > fluids, and eat plenty of high-calorie foods. Use a 'Buddy system' if > > > > possible. Don't be out alone when it gets that cold. > > > > A simple rule of thumb is if you can't spit on the ground without it > > > > freezing before impact, it's cold enough to be careful. > > > > > > > > Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/XfSp7B/XlOFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
good points. reminds me of my neighbor who put a salamander under his truck to keep it warm one -30f night. woke up to the sound of fire engines ... Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > don't know about the gm's, but we used ether in sub zero temps to > start our > > big trucks every morning. just a quick shot in the breather to get > it > > turning. most starters can be overrun, so it may have been a fluke > in your > > issue. > > > > > Big Truck Diesels don't have Glow Plugs. His Suburban 6.5 does. > NEVER use Starting Fluid and Glow Plugs at the same time! Glow Plugs > with #2 Diesel Fuel are good to about 10F, without a block heater. > You may be able to start down to 0F with #1 Diesel Fuel. Colder than > that, you will need heat or Starting Fluid. -20F or colder will need > both heat and Starting Fluid. > > Most Loggers in my area have a Hydraulic Hose quick-coupler inline > in the Heater hose on their pickup engine. When starting cold > Diesels, you pull up close, and couple connecting hoses to the engine > from the heater on the pickup, and usually jumper cables to warm up > the batteries. Within 20 minutes the Diesel is at operating temp > without being started or cranked. It then starts easily without undue > wear and tear on the starter. Watch the Oil Pressure Gauge! If no > pressure reading within 30 seconds, shut it off, and heat the Oil pan > with a Propane Torch until the Oil is thinned enough for the Oil Pump > to pick it up. Synthetic Engine Oils are a wonderful invention and > well worth the extra cost for extreme cold starting. > Many Loggers don't work when the temp is below -20F, and few work if > it is -40F. Productivity is down, and maintainance costs can go way > up. > > Motie > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting
but by then we couldn't remember the context. a good idea even in warm weather. think before you speak. consider whether there is enough of a point to verbalize (or type) :-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting > >back home it was so cold, the spit never left your lips ;-) > > :-) > > Right, back home it was so cold the words came out of your mouth as > blocks of ice and we had to thaw them out before we could hear what > the hell we were talking about. > > >Steve Spence > >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter > >& Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: > >http://www.green-trust.org > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- Original Message - > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:11 PM > >Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting > > > > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Actually, when I lived in Canada, we did ski in -40. It was great > > > > because there were so few people on the hill. I loved it. BTW, - > > > 40 is > > > > both C & F, it is the point where they meet. > > > > > > > > I had a 1/4 ton truck that was diesel, we used to just leave it run > > > when > > > > it got that cold. > > > > > > > > Bright Blessings, > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > > Don't do anything strenous enough to make you gasp for breath, or > > > break into a sweat. Frost-bitten lungs are worse than Pneumonia and > > > damp clothing leads to hypothermia rather quickly. Drinks lots of > > > fluids, and eat plenty of high-calorie foods. Use a 'Buddy system' if > > > possible. Don't be out alone when it gets that cold. > > > A simple rule of thumb is if you can't spit on the ground without it > > > freezing before impact, it's cold enough to be careful. > > > > > > Motie > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting
>back home it was so cold, the spit never left your lips ;-) :-) Right, back home it was so cold the words came out of your mouth as blocks of ice and we had to thaw them out before we could hear what the hell we were talking about. >Steve Spence >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter >& Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: >http://www.green-trust.org >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:11 PM >Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Actually, when I lived in Canada, we did ski in -40. It was great > > > because there were so few people on the hill. I loved it. BTW, - > > 40 is > > > both C & F, it is the point where they meet. > > > > > > I had a 1/4 ton truck that was diesel, we used to just leave it run > > when > > > it got that cold. > > > > > > Bright Blessings, > > > Kim > > > > > > Don't do anything strenous enough to make you gasp for breath, or > > break into a sweat. Frost-bitten lungs are worse than Pneumonia and > > damp clothing leads to hypothermia rather quickly. Drinks lots of > > fluids, and eat plenty of high-calorie foods. Use a 'Buddy system' if > > possible. Don't be out alone when it gets that cold. > > A simple rule of thumb is if you can't spit on the ground without it > > freezing before impact, it's cold enough to be careful. > > > > Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/XfSp7B/XlOFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting
I remember when it was so cold the barking of the dogs froze right into the snow banks. You should have heard it during Spring thaw! :) I saw a couple of our hunting dogs out in the field with jumper cables trying to jump start a jackrabbit! That's Montana cold. Kirk -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:23 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting back home it was so cold, the spit never left your lips ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Actually, when I lived in Canada, we did ski in -40. It was great > > because there were so few people on the hill. I loved it. BTW, - > 40 is > > both C & F, it is the point where they meet. > > > > I had a 1/4 ton truck that was diesel, we used to just leave it run > when > > it got that cold. > > > > Bright Blessings, > > Kim > > > Don't do anything strenous enough to make you gasp for breath, or > break into a sweat. Frost-bitten lungs are worse than Pneumonia and > damp clothing leads to hypothermia rather quickly. Drinks lots of > fluids, and eat plenty of high-calorie foods. Use a 'Buddy system' if > possible. Don't be out alone when it gets that cold. > A simple rule of thumb is if you can't spit on the ground without it > freezing before impact, it's cold enough to be careful. > > Motie > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/2002 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Rent DVDs Online-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/XfSp7B/XlOFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting
back home it was so cold, the spit never left your lips ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kim & Garth Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Actually, when I lived in Canada, we did ski in -40. It was great > > because there were so few people on the hill. I loved it. BTW, - > 40 is > > both C & F, it is the point where they meet. > > > > I had a 1/4 ton truck that was diesel, we used to just leave it run > when > > it got that cold. > > > > Bright Blessings, > > Kim > > > Don't do anything strenous enough to make you gasp for breath, or > break into a sweat. Frost-bitten lungs are worse than Pneumonia and > damp clothing leads to hypothermia rather quickly. Drinks lots of > fluids, and eat plenty of high-calorie foods. Use a 'Buddy system' if > possible. Don't be out alone when it gets that cold. > A simple rule of thumb is if you can't spit on the ground without it > freezing before impact, it's cold enough to be careful. > > Motie > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
LOL oh gee I cant get off the floor.. man that was funny.. I see that sort of thing every so often.. In fact I bought a '84 audi quatro for 400 bucks from my brother because he said it was junk... LOL I put gas in it replaced the fuse for the computer and it ran just fine.. My wife still loves to drive that car. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 2:42 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > > > You used too much. > > I agree completely. a shot of ether for the count of ONE or TWO is > more than plenty to start a 14 liter diesel engine. > > along the same notes: if you intend to use a starting aid make sure > that you use the proper stuff. Until a few years ago WD40 was using > propane as a propellant to fix their CFC's content requirements. > This propane content worked well to replace ether as a starting aid. > You had to make sure you werent plugging the paper air filter with > the oil content, but it worked to get things started. However WD40 > has changed their recipe and this will not work anymore. > > I also remember over-enthusiastic people bringing in their lawn > tractors with large holes blown thru their hoods after unloading a > half can of ether into the air cleaner and trying to start the small > engine. One time the cylinder head on a single piston 16 HP Briggs > and Stratton gasoline engine separated with enough force to break 8 > bolts and then blow the head through the tin hood on the tractor and > then the plaster board ceiling in the gargage it was located in. The > underlying reason the motor was hard to start was that he had run the > fuel tank dry the last time he used the equipment. > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You used too much. > > I worked on a farm and we had to use ether all the time to get > things > > running and I never broke anything. One time I sprayed too much in > an > > engine and it revved really [way too] fast, but it didn't break > > anything. But these were large 500 ci IH in milk trucks, and > smaller > > straight 6 tractors. > > So I guess if you don't need it, don't use it of course. > > > > harley3 wrote: > > > > >Never use "starting fluid" in a diesel engine. I tried starting > fluid once > > >in my 6.5 diesel G.M. Suburban.The engine spit the starter out > onto the > > >ground.My foolish mistake broke the starter, and torn out 5 > teeth off my > > >torque converter. A very expensive mistake, never again. > > > > > >Harley > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --- > > Martin Klingensmith > > http://nnytech.net/ > > http://infoarchive.net/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
