RE: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!

2003-02-28 Thread Doug Allbright 

what were these tanks used for ?
 

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From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:10 PM
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Subject: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!


Todd,

  Holy smokes did I find some killer tanks today.

  These things are completely enclosed stainless steel rectangular tanks.

They have to  be at least 600 gallons.  Totally suited for methanol
reclamaition - there is a hatch on top and a few fittings.

  Easily modifiable to add heat - or heck just build a fire underneath! 

  Slight slope to drain on the the side. 

  $600 wait a month and they will be $300

Mark

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Re: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!

2003-02-27 Thread Appal Energy 

Mark,

A pot still is okay, but not as efficient as a "thin film" evaporator.
Taking something like your box tanks and placing  several old stainless H20
fire extinguishers inside would work well.

Run an inlet for hot H20 into each fire extinquisher and a return outlet,
hook up a hot water circulating pump capable of at least 180*F, and then
install drip rings around the dome of each extinquisher. The alcohol laden
biodiesel or glycerin would flow through the drip rings, down the sides of
the cylinders in a thin film and out the tank's bottom port.

The evaporated alcohol would migrate out the top of the tank and through a
condensor for recollection.

Due to the short duration that the film is on the cylinder, it would
probably be wise to elevate the reactor temp to ~150*F (after draining the
glycerin layer) prior to running the biodiesel through the drip rings. The
biodiesel return line could also be used as a heat transfer medium to other
steps of the process, whether it be pre-heat for the acid side of an
acid/base, WVO heating and settling or a fuel finishing tank (drying tank).

Anyway, the idea is to create as thin a film as possible to get as much
alcohol as possible exposed to the alcohol's evaporative temperature within
the cylinders. Most thin films have drums that are continually cleaned of
buildup. I could be wrong, but I don't think the buildup on the cylinders is
going to be a great deal if any over time, not when you consider the solvent
characteristics of the biodiesel and the relatively low operating temp.

Stainless totes like you've found would be very simple to convert, presuming
the manway/cleanout is sufficient enough diameter to skinny through. And
even if not, they could still (a little evaporative humour?) make decent
reactors or wash tanks for 300 gallon batches...just about the right match
for a 400 gallon horizontal stainless dairy tank converted into a reactor.

Thanks for the heads up. Let me know what gives with them. I could probably
put a few to work this spring.

Todd Swearingen

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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:10 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!


> Todd,
>
>   Holy smokes did I find some killer tanks today.
>
>   These things are completely enclosed stainless steel rectangular tanks.
>
>  They have to  be at least 600 gallons.  Totally suited for methanol
> reclamaition - there is a hatch on top and a few fittings.
>
>   Easily modifiable to add heat - or heck just build a fire underneath!
>
>   Slight slope to drain on the the side.
>
>   $600 wait a month and they will be $300
>
>  Mark
>
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RE: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!

2003-02-28 Thread Mark Foltarz 


Doug,

  Good question.

  I will definately try to find out exactly what was in them.
  
  Hope it wasn't something to icky!

  Mark


--- Doug Allbright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what were these tanks used for ?
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:10 PM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!
> 
> 
> Todd,
> 
>   Holy smokes did I find some killer tanks today.
> 
>   These things are completely enclosed stainless steel rectangular tanks.
> 
> They have to  be at least 600 gallons.  Totally suited for methanol
> reclamaition - there is a hatch on top and a few fittings.
> 
>   Easily modifiable to add heat - or heck just build a fire underneath! 
> 
>   Slight slope to drain on the the side. 
> 
>   $600 wait a month and they will be $300
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!

2003-02-28 Thread Doug Allbright 


I am curious to know becuase I would like to know what I might keep my eyes 
open for. Yup I want my killer tanks too!

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From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:53 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!



Doug,

  Good question.

  I will definately try to find out exactly what was in them.
  
  Hope it wasn't something to icky!

  Mark


--- Doug Allbright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what were these tanks used for ?
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:10 PM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [biofuel] Tanks Alot!
> 
> 
> Todd,
> 
>   Holy smokes did I find some killer tanks today.
> 
>   These things are completely enclosed stainless steel rectangular tanks.
> 
> They have to  be at least 600 gallons.  Totally suited for methanol
> reclamaition - there is a hatch on top and a few fittings.
> 
>   Easily modifiable to add heat - or heck just build a fire underneath! 
> 
>   Slight slope to drain on the the side. 
> 
>   $600 wait a month and they will be $300
> 
> Mark




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