Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war
As the poll states, the majority think this is a bad idea. My question is how do we get out of it? Just quiting and going home would be a worse situation and staying will cost many lives on all sides. Ted Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just saw the latest gallup polls about the Iraq war and Bush handling of it. As we said the whole time, "it were and is a bad idea to unilaterally occupy Iraq". Now finally a majority of the American people seems to agree with it and that Bush is not capable to handle it. Now we cannot find any majority population of any country in the world, who think that the Iraq occupation was or is a good idea. We also find some fine ways of which the OPEC countries show their opinion of what is happening. They are signing up the major development of Natural Gas with other countries, like Russia and China, and when US finally have transport capacity for NG, they will have difficulties to buy enough. The same is happening on new oil exploration. They also have difficulties in delivering more oil to US. This is not a surprise, if the proponents of the opinion that we at the moment experience the Hubbert peak of oil production. The other possibility is that the oil producing countries prefer to sell to China, than to US. My personal opinion is that, even if they wanted, they cannot meet the growing demand in US and the world. US is not only buying to meet higher demands, but is also buying desperately for filling up their strategic storage reserve, that way pushing prices higher. Hakan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war
Why not ask the Israelis Ted? No. Wait. They haven't figured out their little problem yet either. Many don't agree with the analogy of Iraq being another Viet Nam. Rather, the comparison to the Gaza Strip or the West Bank is more appropriate - continual attrition, continual hate, continual oppression, continual occupation. But heck. The US has been very good at oppression, occupation and even genocide throughout its "illustrious" past. Just ask any American native. And for that? Jackson got his picture on the $20. One very queer country that pays homage to those who are the architects of such sweeping devastation. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Ted Dinkelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war > As the poll states, the majority think this is a bad idea. My question is how do we get out of it? Just quiting and going home would be a worse situation and staying will cost many lives on all sides. > > Ted > > Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I just saw the latest gallup polls about the Iraq war and Bush handling of > it. As we said the whole time, "it were and is a bad idea to unilaterally > occupy Iraq". Now finally a majority of the American people seems to agree > with it and that Bush is not capable to handle it. Now we cannot find any > majority population of any country in the world, who think that the Iraq > occupation was or is a good idea. > > We also find some fine ways of which the OPEC countries show their opinion > of what is happening. They are signing up the major development of Natural > Gas with other countries, like Russia and China, and when US finally have > transport capacity for NG, they will have difficulties to buy enough. The > same is happening on new oil exploration. They also have difficulties in > delivering more oil to US. This is not a surprise, if the proponents of the > opinion that we at the moment experience the Hubbert peak of oil > production. The other possibility is that the oil producing countries > prefer to sell to China, than to US. My personal opinion is that, even if > they wanted, they cannot meet the growing demand in US and the world. US is > not only buying to meet higher demands, but is also buying desperately for > filling up their strategic storage reserve, that way pushing prices higher. > > Hakan > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > - > Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war
All I can add in our defense, is that much more good has come from our use of the land for the good of the world, than from the natives who inhabited it previously. Yes, you too have benefited from Jackson' s quest, so find a better argument about the poor, savage, barbaric, nomadic though culturally rich natives who fell easily to manifest destiny. Their children are being well taken care of, and now have the benefit of electricity, inexpensive housing, internal combustion, oh, and beer. :) Also, we sure picked a loser for a President in 2000, good thing we can kick him out of office in 2004. How many other countries refresh their leadership on such a regular basis? I agree with some who think his entire administration should be behind bars for the atrocities, corruption, and fleecing of not only the American public, but the entire world. I am ashamed to be associated with our false President and his cabinet these days, but proud that I voted for Al Gore, and rightly so...as it turns out. Is Kerry the answer? Maybe, but at least he will choose an entirely different administration and get those crocked-good-for-nothin' Ashcrofts, Rumsfelds, and Cheneys out of positions of power. When push comes to shove, and believe me it has! The American public will do the right thing. In the mean time, we're all [here on this list] are just doing what we can to reduce the need for foreign oil, to take the incentive away from stability in the Middle East. Personally I look forward to the day when the economics of the region make it impossible to inhabit the area, at least on the same scale. Where will all of those people go? Well, they may just have to assimilate elsewhere, obey the law, get a job, and act respectable. Enough of this 2000 year code of Islamic law already, the world awards progress...they'll figure it out. Please note I don't hate Native Americans or Muslim populations in general, I believe all people are generally good, and have gone through the four years of feminist based philosophy that is State-sponsored University here in the US. With that said- Flame away dear friends, Ryan :) -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:57 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war Why not ask the Israelis Ted? No. Wait. They haven't figured out their little problem yet either. Many don't agree with the analogy of Iraq being another Viet Nam. Rather, the comparison to the Gaza Strip or the West Bank is more appropriate - continual attrition, continual hate, continual oppression, continual occupation. But heck. The US has been very good at oppression, occupation and even genocide throughout its "illustrious" past. Just ask any American native. And for that? Jackson got his picture on the $20. One very queer country that pays homage to those who are the architects of such sweeping devastation. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: "Ted Dinkelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war > As the poll states, the majority think this is a bad idea. My question is how do we get out of it? Just quiting and going home would be a worse situation and staying will cost many lives on all sides. > > Ted > > Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I just saw the latest gallup polls about the Iraq war and Bush handling of > it. As we said the whole time, "it were and is a bad idea to unilaterally > occupy Iraq". Now finally a majority of the American people seems to agree > with it and that Bush is not capable to handle it. Now we cannot find any > majority population of any country in the world, who think that the Iraq > occupation was or is a good idea. > > We also find some fine ways of which the OPEC countries show their opinion > of what is happening. They are signing up the major development of Natural > Gas with other countries, like Russia and China, and when US finally have > transport capacity for NG, they will have difficulties to buy enough. The > same is happening on new oil exploration. They also have difficulties in > delivering more oil to US. This is not a surprise, if the proponents of the > opinion that we at the moment experience the Hubbert peak of oil > production. The other possibility is that the oil producing countries > prefer to sell to China, than to US. My personal opinion is that, even if > they wanted, they cannot meet the growing demand in US and the world. US is > not only buying to meet higher demands, but is also buying desperately for > filling up their strategic storage reserve, that way pushing prices higher. > > Hakan
RE: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war
said- > > >Flame away dear friends, Why dangle such obvious flame-bait on an international list? This isn't an American list, Americans aren't even in the majority here, and it would be flame-bait even on an American list. Keith >Ryan :) > -Original Message- > From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:57 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war > > > Why not ask the Israelis Ted? > > No. Wait. They haven't figured out their little problem yet either. > > Many don't agree with the analogy of Iraq being another Viet Nam. > > Rather, the comparison to the Gaza Strip or the West Bank is more > appropriate - continual attrition, continual hate, continual oppression, > continual occupation. > > But heck. The US has been very good at oppression, occupation and even > genocide throughout its "illustrious" past. Just ask any American native. > And for that? Jackson got his picture on the $20. > > One very queer country that pays homage to those who are the architects of > such sweeping devastation. > > Todd Swearingen > > - Original Message - > From: "Ted Dinkelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war > > > > As the poll states, the majority think this is a bad idea. My question >is > how do we get out of it? Just quiting and going home would be a worse > situation and staying will cost many lives on all sides. > > > > Ted > > > > Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I just saw the latest gallup polls about the Iraq war and Bush handling >of > > it. As we said the whole time, "it were and is a bad idea to >unilaterally > > occupy Iraq". Now finally a majority of the American people seems to >agree > > with it and that Bush is not capable to handle it. Now we cannot find >any > > majority population of any country in the world, who think that the >Iraq > > occupation was or is a good idea. > > > > We also find some fine ways of which the OPEC countries show their >opinion > > of what is happening. They are signing up the major development of >Natural > > Gas with other countries, like Russia and China, and when US finally >have > > transport capacity for NG, they will have difficulties to buy enough. >The > > same is happening on new oil exploration. They also have difficulties in > > delivering more oil to US. This is not a surprise, if the proponents of > the > > opinion that we at the moment experience the Hubbert peak of oil > > production. The other possibility is that the oil producing countries > > prefer to sell to China, than to US. My personal opinion is that, even >if > > they wanted, they cannot meet the growing demand in US and the world. US > is > > not only buying to meet higher demands, but is also buying desperately >for > > filling up their strategic storage reserve, that way pushing prices > higher. > > > > Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war
Dear (tut, tut) Sir, - Original Message - From: "Ryan Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] US poll about Iraq war > All I can add in our defense, is that much more good has come from our use > of the land for the good of the world, than from the natives who inhabited > it previously. Yes, you too have benefited from Jackson' s quest, Quo bono ? >so find a better argument about the poor, savage, barbaric, nomadic though culturally > rich natives who fell easily to manifest destiny. Their children or what is left of their decimated numbers after the systematic and sustained pogroms, the single largest and least mentioned blot on American history. > are being well taken care of, and now have the benefit of electricity, inexpensive > housing, internal combustion, oh, and beer. :) > Also, we sure picked a loser for a President in 2000, good thing we can kick > him out of office in 2004. How many other countries refresh their > leadership on such a regular basis? More countries than you care to acknowledge, with a lot less behind the scenes rigging that brought him to office in the first place. > I agree with some who think his entire administration should be behind bars for the atrocities, corruption, and > fleecing of not only the American public, but the entire world. I am > ashamed to be associated with our false President and his cabinet these > days, but proud that I voted for Al Gore, and rightly so...as it turns out. > Is Kerry the answer? Maybe, but at least he will choose an entirely > different administration and get those crocked-good-for-nothin' Ashcrofts, > Rumsfelds, and Cheneys out of positions of power. When push comes to shove, > and believe me it has! The American public will do the right thing. And elect another Bush and prouide him the higest popularity ratings as they did immediately after the attack on iraq ? > In the mean time, we're all [here on this list] are just doing what we can > to reduce the need for foreign oil, Not in the sense you mean it, though. > to take the incentive away from stability in the Middle East. come again. > Personally I look forward to the day when the economics of the region make it impossible to inhabit the area, at least on > the same scale. Where will all of those people go? Well, they may just > have to assimilate elsewhere, obey the law, get a job, and act respectable. You can then send your troops in and create the next US state. > Enough of this 2000 year code of Islamic law already, the world awards > progress...they'll figure it out. > > Please note I don't hate Native Americans or Muslim populations in general, > I believe all people are generally good, and have gone through the four > years of feminist based philosophy that is State-sponsored University here > in the US. With that said- > > > Flame away dear friends, > > Ryan :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
