Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
This may seem high, but then when I think about that forest around my parents' property in eastern Washington, every piece of land surrounding us has been logged at least once in the last 25 years -- many in the last 10 years. From the satellite photo of the area (about 2 meter resolution) you can clearly see our property lines by where there are and are not tall trees. Yes, there are still 50 foot trees left all over the rest of it, but the 100 foot trees are mostly gone. Maybe in the Dakota's trees have increased alot, but how big are those trees? I grew up in the Northwest, and can't say that I've seen many trees in Colorado that really seem to count as trees compared to what I'm used to. If it's not 2 foot diameter and 80 foot high.know, I'm a tree snob, but from a carbon sequestration standpoint, the very large trees in the temperate and tropical rainforests, as well as the temperate broadleaf and boreal coniferous band, probably do alot more than the more arid forest that occupies alot of the rest of the world. And those ones are the ones that I think have been destroyed or "degraded" more. Zeke >> ... At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are natural >> carbon sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. ... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
Thats a good point Joe I heard a deal on NPR about the worlds Oceans are absorbing most of the Co2 - albeit it is starting to cause more sinister problems as a result. It seems to stand to reason as it was algae that created the oil, that we are turning to carbon, in the first place. Jim >From: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is >rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal >Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:01:49 -0500 > >This is speculation but I would be willing to bet that more CO2 is sunk >into algae around the world than forests or crops. > >Joe > >Randall wrote: > >>Phillip, >> >> >> >>>>... At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are natural >>>>carbon sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. ... >>>> >>>> >> >>Could you be a little more specific? I agree with Jim, those numbers seem >>VERY high and the term "degraded" seems a bit vague. >> >> >> >>>>... The info came from the World Resources Institute (www.wri.org) >>>>There's a ton of useful stuff on their site. >>>> >>>> >> >>Where, specifically, on www.wri.org can this information be found and then >>verified? >> >>--Randall >>Concord, NC >> >> >>- Original Message - From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:03 PM >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 >>isrising!A scientific Rebutal >> >> >> >> >>>Well I am not sure I buy 85%. This seems a bit skewed as high. I say >>>this >>>because not all mans activities have been adverse. in example, The >>>Dakotas >>>have a hundred fold more trees than existed 200 years ago. There are >>>also >>>more crops in production that are bigger co2 gulpers than native crops. >>> >>>I also understand this is just a very small snapshot in the whole scheme >>>of >>>things and the fact that those crops can also be used to create methane >>>as a >>>result of feed stocks and so forth. >>> >>>But when we use numbers like that, we will tend to disenchant those on >>>the >>>edge of understanding. >>> >>>Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
This is speculation but I would be willing to bet that more CO2 is sunk into algae around the world than forests or crops. Joe Randall wrote: Phillip, ... At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are natural carbon sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. ... Could you be a little more specific? I agree with Jim, those numbers seem VERY high and the term "degraded" seems a bit vague. ... The info came from the World Resources Institute (www.wri.org) There's a ton of useful stuff on their site. Where, specifically, on www.wri.org can this information be found and then verified? --Randall Concord, NC - Original Message - From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal Well I am not sure I buy 85%. This seems a bit skewed as high. I say this because not all mans activities have been adverse. in example, The Dakotas have a hundred fold more trees than existed 200 years ago. There are also more crops in production that are bigger co2 gulpers than native crops. I also understand this is just a very small snapshot in the whole scheme of things and the fact that those crops can also be used to create methane as a result of feed stocks and so forth. But when we use numbers like that, we will tend to disenchant those on the edge of understanding. Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
Phillip, >> ... At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are natural >> carbon sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. ... Could you be a little more specific? I agree with Jim, those numbers seem VERY high and the term "degraded" seems a bit vague. >>... The info came from the World Resources Institute (www.wri.org) There's >>a ton of useful stuff on their site. Where, specifically, on www.wri.org can this information be found and then verified? --Randall Concord, NC - Original Message - From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal > Well I am not sure I buy 85%. This seems a bit skewed as high. I say > this > because not all mans activities have been adverse. in example, The Dakotas > have a hundred fold more trees than existed 200 years ago. There are also > more crops in production that are bigger co2 gulpers than native crops. > > I also understand this is just a very small snapshot in the whole scheme > of > things and the fact that those crops can also be used to create methane as > a > result of feed stocks and so forth. > > But when we use numbers like that, we will tend to disenchant those on the > edge of understanding. > > Jim > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
Well I am not sure I buy 85%. This seems a bit skewed as high. I say this because not all mans activities have been adverse. in example, The Dakotas have a hundred fold more trees than existed 200 years ago. There are also more crops in production that are bigger co2 gulpers than native crops. I also understand this is just a very small snapshot in the whole scheme of things and the fact that those crops can also be used to create methane as a result of feed stocks and so forth. But when we use numbers like that, we will tend to disenchant those on the edge of understanding. Jim >From: Philip Gwinnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 >isrising!A scientific Rebutal >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:23:43 + > > >Jim, > >The info came from the World Resources Institute (www.wri.org) There's a >ton of useful stuff on their site. > >Best Regards > >Philip >Hainan Bioenergy > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:43:40 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 >isrising!A scientific Rebutal > > > > Phillip wrote > > Snip At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are natural >carbon > > sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. > > > > Phillip, Where do you get this data? Does this number include the >replanted > > areas of forest and Higher plant life (co2 absorption) as a result of > > irrigation and pulp? > > > > Not in dispute but I would like to know how it is derived. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > >_ >Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you >care about. >http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
Hello Philip >Dear Keith, > >Well you may think he talks a lot of bollocks Actually I think I proved it. I also think you didn't read the message I reffed. Why don't you do so now? Here it is again: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg68246.html Re: [Biofuel] DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATE Lester Brown thinks he's talking about food. Do you think he's talking about food? - you know, stuff people eat with their mouths when they're hungry to keep them going. This is what he's talking about: > > http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/richard.robbins/legacy/hunger_readings.htm > > Readings on Hunger, Poverty, and Economic Development > > > > B. Food as a Commodity > > To understand why people go hungry you must stop thinking > > about food as something farmers grow for others to eat, and begin > > thinking about it as something companies produce for other people to > > buy. Food is a commodity. Yea verily. Or: > > http://www.jhsph.edu/clf/events_new/dodge_lectures/dodge_lecture.html > > JHU Center for a Livable Future - Dodge Lecture > > An Agronomist's View of Public Health > >March 27, 2000 > > > >Dennis R. Keeney, Ph.D. > >Emeritus Director, Aldo Leopold Center for Sustainable Agriculture > >Iowa State University > > > > Midwest grain-based agriculture produces not food but feed for > > animals (fat), fructose (sweeteners) and fuel (ethanol). It is thus > > not a healthy, sustainable agriculture. Rather than feeding the > > hungry, this production of grains causes environmental degradation, > > pollution of waterways and estuaries, abandoned farms and rural > > out-migration. Over time this hopefully will change to an agriculture > > based on food, not feed. Or or or. Okay? Not food. He's talking bollocks. >but if you check other sites on global deforestation then you'll >find that his stats are pretty accurate. Philip said: > > >There's a ton of useful stuff on their site. Keith replied: > > Yes there is, and ... I'm not unaware of the situation with global forestation, nor was I arguing about it, and I don't know why you want to. >As we all know, truth is a question of presentation Huh? Best Keith >so to use his raw data to draw conclusions is not unreasonable. > >Best Regards, > >Philip > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:46:26 +0900 > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is >rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal > > > > Hello Philip > > > > >Jim, > > > > > >The info came from the World Resources Institute (www.wri.org) > > >There's a ton of useful stuff on their site. > > > > Yes there is, and a lot of less than useful stuff too. Recent post: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg68246.html > > Re: [Biofuel] DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATE > > > > WRI founder and chairman Lester Brown talks a load of bollocks, for > > "one of the world's most influential thinkers" and "the guru of the > > environmental movement". LOL! > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > >Best Regards > > > > > >Philip > > >Hainan Bioenergy > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:43:40 -0700 > > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is > > >rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal > > > > > > > > Phillip wrote > > > > Snip At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are >natural carbon > > > > sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. > > > > > > > > Phillip, Where do you get this data? Does this number include > > >the replanted > > > > areas of forest and Higher plant life (co2 absorption) as a result of > > > > irrigation and pulp? > > > > > > > > Not in dispute but I would like to know how it is derived. > > > > > > > > Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
Dear Keith, Well you may think he talks a lot of bollocks but if you check other sites on global deforestation then you'll find that his stats are pretty accurate. As we all know, truth is a question of presentation so to use his raw data to draw conclusions is not unreasonable. Best Regards, Philip > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:46:26 +0900 > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 > isrising!A scientific Rebutal > > Hello Philip > > >Jim, > > > >The info came from the World Resources Institute (www.wri.org) > >There's a ton of useful stuff on their site. > > Yes there is, and a lot of less than useful stuff too. Recent post: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg68246.html > Re: [Biofuel] DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATE > > WRI founder and chairman Lester Brown talks a load of bollocks, for > "one of the world's most influential thinkers" and "the guru of the > environmental movement". LOL! > > Best > > Keith > > > >Best Regards > > > >Philip > >Hainan Bioenergy > > > > > >-------------------- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:43:40 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is > >rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal > > > > > > Phillip wrote > > > Snip At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are natural > > > carbon > > > sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. > > > > > > Phillip, Where do you get this data? Does this number include > >the replanted > > > areas of forest and Higher plant life (co2 absorption) as a result of > > > irrigation and pulp? > > > > > > Not in dispute but I would like to know how it is derived. > > > > > > Jim > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > _ Get connected - Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live Messenger now. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
Hello Philip >Jim, > >The info came from the World Resources Institute (www.wri.org) >There's a ton of useful stuff on their site. Yes there is, and a lot of less than useful stuff too. Recent post: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg68246.html Re: [Biofuel] DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATE WRI founder and chairman Lester Brown talks a load of bollocks, for "one of the world's most influential thinkers" and "the guru of the environmental movement". LOL! Best Keith >Best Regards > >Philip >Hainan Bioenergy > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:43:40 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is >rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal > > > > Phillip wrote > > Snip At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are natural carbon > > sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. > > > > Phillip, Where do you get this data? Does this number include >the replanted > > areas of forest and Higher plant life (co2 absorption) as a result of > > irrigation and pulp? > > > > Not in dispute but I would like to know how it is derived. > > > > Jim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
Jim, The info came from the World Resources Institute (www.wri.org) There's a ton of useful stuff on their site. Best Regards Philip Hainan Bioenergy > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:43:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 > isrising!A scientific Rebutal > > Phillip wrote > Snip At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are natural carbon > sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. > > Phillip, Where do you get this data? Does this number include the replanted > areas of forest and Higher plant life (co2 absorption) as a result of > irrigation and pulp? > > Not in dispute but I would like to know how it is derived. > > Jim > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > _ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
Phillip wrote Snip At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are natural carbon sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. Phillip, Where do you get this data? Does this number include the replanted areas of forest and Higher plant life (co2 absorption) as a result of irrigation and pulp? Not in dispute but I would like to know how it is derived. Jim >From: Philip Gwinnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is >rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:37:32 + > > >John, > >If your theory were correct then we wouldn't have an atmosphere and you >certainly wouldn't be alive writing spurious emails. The greenhouse effect >is a known natural phenomenon that has existed on earth for millenia - it >keeps the earths temperature from falling too low (it would be about 60 >degrees colder without the greenhouse gas layer in the stratosphere). > >If you still don't believe it then consider two facts. In the last 150 >years or so we have dug up and burned one half of all the fossil fuel >reserves on earth and burnt them. At the same time, 85% of the world's >forests (which are natural carbon sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. >So, the CO2 levels in the atmosphere have without doubt risen and the >planet has got warmer through the augmentation of the natural cycle. > >Best Regards > >Philip >Hainan Bioenergy > > > > Subject: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising! C02 >isrising!A scientific Rebutal > > Doing an article to rebut this CO2 nonsense. It is so easy to refute. >Anyone ever tell you people who are for this chicken little theory that C02 >causes global warming that heat rises. The co2 theory defies the laws of >physic. If Co2 is intercepting radiant enery from the sun and stopping that >energy from reaching the surface of the earth, ice fields and oceans and >then carrying that energy to the atmosphere, then CO2 is not contributing >to global warming it is slowing the process of global warming ie it is >cooling. Elimating or limiting C02 in the atmosphiere will actually >increase global warming not the reverse. > > Yours truly > > John Wilson > > *** > > Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve > > Goldens > > Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) > > Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm > > Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm > > In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM >. After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. > > Not anymore! Smoke freedom day 6 th December 2006 > > ^ > > > > ___ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >_ >Live Search: New search found >http://get.live.com/search/overview >___ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising! C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
John, If your theory were correct then we wouldn't have an atmosphere and you certainly wouldn't be alive writing spurious emails. The greenhouse effect is a known natural phenomenon that has existed on earth for millenia - it keeps the earths temperature from falling too low (it would be about 60 degrees colder without the greenhouse gas layer in the stratosphere). If you still don't believe it then consider two facts. In the last 150 years or so we have dug up and burned one half of all the fossil fuel reserves on earth and burnt them. At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are natural carbon sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. So, the CO2 levels in the atmosphere have without doubt risen and the planet has got warmer through the augmentation of the natural cycle. Best Regards Philip Hainan Bioenergy > Subject: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising! C02 > isrising!A scientific Rebutal > Doing an article to rebut this CO2 nonsense. It is so easy to refute. Anyone > ever tell you people who are for this chicken little theory that C02 causes > global warming that heat rises. The co2 theory defies the laws of physic. If > Co2 is intercepting radiant enery from the sun and stopping that energy from > reaching the surface of the earth, ice fields and oceans and then carrying > that energy to the atmosphere, then CO2 is not contributing to global warming > it is slowing the process of global warming ie it is cooling. Elimating or > limiting C02 in the atmosphiere will actually increase global warming not > the reverse. > Yours truly > John Wilson > *** > Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve > Goldens > Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) > Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm > Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm > In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . > After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. > Not anymore! Smoke freedom day 6 th December 2006 > ^ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising! C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal
John, It is called the "Greenhouse Effect". Clear glass does not block the visible area of the electromagnetic spectrum, hence light enters the greenhouse. When visible light hits a surface much of it (depending on color/texture of the surface) is converted to heat . something there in the Laws of Thermodynamics. The glass that allowed visible light to enter now blocks the longer waves. (To understand the analogy substitute CO2 in atmosphere for the glass in the greenhouse.) Perhaps you could plan a field trip to a greenhouse. If not, the same principle applies to a car in bright sunlight ... windows closed, temp in car is warmer than temp outside. (Not as effective using a convertible while the top is down). The concept of visible light being converted to heat when it hits a surface can be explored by standing in direct sunlight on a warm day then stepping into the shade. Try this experiment wearing dark clothing vs. similar clothes, but white. Temps of water in beer/soda cans in sunlight vs shade would provide similar insight into this particular "Law of Physics". Tomorrow we are going to explore the myth that cold water freezes faster than an equal volume of warm water. Best to you ... now go study Tom - Original Message - From: John Wilson To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising! C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal Doing an article to rebut this CO2 nonsense. It is so easy to refute. Anyone ever tell you people who are for this chicken little theory that C02 causes global warming that heat rises. The co2 theory defies the laws of physic. If Co2 is intercepting radiant enery from the sun and stopping that energy from reaching the surface of the earth, ice fields and oceans and then carrying that energy to the atmosphere, then CO2 is not contributing to global warming it is slowing the process of global warming ie it is cooling. Elimating or limiting C02 in the atmosphiere will actually increase global warming not the reverse. Yours truly John Wilson *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Goldens Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. Not anymore! Smoke freedom day 6 th December 2006 ^ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
