Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
As a retired aerospace engineer I want to say Joe is absolutely correct. Now youve heard it twice. Some things are just not worth it. Besides, as I posted earlier only 1% of that voltage is needed and if high voltage was better dont you think it would be used commercially? Kirk Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See! See! A quick test will a meter might leave you lying on the floor witrh your heart all a twitter. What meter will you use to check 3500 V DC? What voltage are the leads good for? Did you know that even dirt on the outside of the lead wires can be enough of a conductive path to let the discharge flow right down the surface to your hands? No probably not. And it would not be something intuitively obvious to anyone who has not been trained how to work with HV. Because it is not obvious and everyone has to be taught these things. Did you know that the dielectric in a HV capacitor will usually recharge itself quite significantly after a single discharge? It is also a naive assumption that pulling the plug will leave the cap discharged. No offence to you Logan, but your post just serves to illustrate my point. Joe Logan vilas wrote: If turn on the microwave and pull the plug while it's running that would discharge most if not all of the power in the capacitor I would think. A quick test from a meter would verify if it still had power or not. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:19 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result since you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 to 60 volts. High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you restrike. Kirk D. Mindock wrote: Hi Joe, I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to have that capacitor discharged safely. The thing with using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high rate of production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do change the characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., carcinogenic. My wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of their intrinsic danger. I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that I am not replacing it. Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since it changes the structure of the water. The microwave oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life. If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device using four nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume. I use it to stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case of it. Also am using ozonated water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I do take a good probiotic to hedge my bets. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver OMG please don't do this! The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to discharge the cap before doing any assembly work but then it goes on at the end in bold red saying the danger is not in operating the beast but in its construction. It doesn't say anythingabout how you are supposed to discharge the cap before you try to remove the electrode from the jar! Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as low as 20 volts and with current limiting. It will take a little longer (15 minutes) to make a batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current limiting is important because it keeps particle size down in the low nanometer range where it needs to be in order to make a good colloid. I use a little wall wart type transformer for this. Half a litre IS high volume. Considering that the most effective way to use the stuff is to put it in a nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN of a sore throat ( not effective at later stages) and you are using perhaps 1ml at a time, half a litre will last your entire family a year or more. DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill off beneficial bacteria in your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured with repeated misting of the open eye, but again it is working on contact. There are many other uses for the stuff which I won't get into but it is basically a powerful anit-bacterial which works on contact against single celled organisms. The internals of microwave ovens are extremely unforgiving
Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
Joe Maybe it helps to know the voltage (capacitors come in many sizes), but if they make a 3500 volt meter I could definitely get one to use. I know several offshore electricians who deal with that level of volts and even higher. That would involve having the microwave pulled apart to see what it says. I am very familiar working with 440 3 phase, I used to work for a navy contractor and that's what they gave us for supply power to our equipment. As for the leads, if the meter is rated for the voltage then I'd be pretty sure the leads would sustain it. I could easily be wrong I have no formal training in electronics. I was not aware of dirt allowing the charge to pass. And I know they COULD have enough electricity to provide another discharge, but if you are doing something stupid like pulling a microwave apart in the first place that would be a good first step toward safety. Notice I said most if not all it would depend on a lot of factors. To be honest I have a 5kv megger that has a meter display on it. I know it will jump if it is plugged into a hot electrical source. I'd be willing to try that to see if it displays. I'd be cautious of the handle possible spinning; otherwise leaving it on the capacitor would possible draw the remaining power out of it. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 3:18 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver See! See! A quick test will a meter might leave you lying on the floor witrh your heart all a twitter. What meter will you use to check 3500 V DC? What voltage are the leads good for? Did you know that even dirt on the outside of the lead wires can be enough of a conductive path to let the discharge flow right down the surface to your hands? No probably not. And it would not be something intuitively obvious to anyone who has not been trained how to work with HV. Because it is not obvious and everyone has to be taught these things. Did you know that the dielectric in a HV capacitor will usually recharge itself quite significantly after a single discharge? It is also a naive assumption that pulling the plug will leave the cap discharged. No offence to you Logan, but your post just serves to illustrate my point. Joe Logan vilas wrote: If turn on the microwave and pull the plug while it's running that would discharge most if not all of the power in the capacitor I would think. A quick test from a meter would verify if it still had power or not. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:19 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result since you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 to 60 volts. High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you restrike. Kirk D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe, I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to have that capacitor discharged safely. The thing with using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high rate of production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do change the characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., carcinogenic. My wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of their intrinsic danger. I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that I am not replacing it. Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since it changes the structure of the water. The microwave oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life. If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device using four nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume. I use it to stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case of it. Also am using ozonated water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I do take a good probiotic to hedge my bets. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver OMG please don't do this! The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to discharge the cap before doing any
Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
Hi Joe, I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to have that capacitor discharged safely. The thing with using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high rate of production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do change the characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., carcinogenic. My wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of their intrinsic danger. I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that I am not replacing it. Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since it changes the structure of the water. The microwave oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life. If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device using four nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume. I use it to stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case of it. Also am using ozonated water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I do take a good probiotic to hedge my bets. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver OMG please don't do this! The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to discharge the cap before doing any assembly work but then it goes on at the end in bold red saying the danger is not in operating the beast but in its construction. It doesn't say anythingabout how you are supposed to discharge the cap before you try to remove the electrode from the jar! Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as low as 20 volts and with current limiting. It will take a little longer (15 minutes) to make a batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current limiting is important because it keeps particle size down in the low nanometer range where it needs to be in order to make a good colloid. I use a little wall wart type transformer for this. Half a litre IS high volume. Considering that the most effective way to use the stuff is to put it in a nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN of a sore throat ( not effective at later stages) and you are using perhaps 1ml at a time, half a litre will last your entire family a year or more. DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill off beneficial bacteria in your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured with repeated misting of the open eye, but again it is working on contact. There are many other uses for the stuff which I won't get into but it is basically a powerful anit-bacterial which works on contact against single celled organisms. The internals of microwave ovens are extremely unforgiving and even for the initiated there is no room for error or absent mindedness. Joe D. Mindock wrote: Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker You want a plague-ready machine that'll make about 40 quarts of strong Colloidal Silver an hour, that you can easily build in an hour for about $38?? I've built many now for people and I'll tell you how to make yours. This is about the simplest colloidal silver maker you could build. The unit makes 1 liter of roughly 40 PPM CS in 1.5 minutes or less using reverse osmosis water; with this kind of power, continuous production is possible with a spaghetti tube adding and removing water at a trickle. The primarily ionic silver it produces has saved lives, write-offs sent home by the hospital to die. As the old Chinese saying goes, Those who say it can't be done should not interrupt the one who is doing it. I have re-wired a microwave oven because it gives more than adequate power - about 3600 volts pulsed DC current - to make batches very quickly. I use a fine, 1 oz silver wafer rolled-out to 5.25 inches long and 1.25 wide for the electrode. This size for the high current allows reduced power DENSITY. The electrodes are spaced parallel for a wide-mouth jar, about 2.25 inches apart, the water giving ample RESISTANCE to the current. There is no current-limiting needed and all the microwave's safeties still work. It won't operate with the door open. There are 2 insulated wires going to the magnetron. When you disconnect the magnetron (impeller) you'll only be using the heavier (main) wire from the capacitor; the silver electrode in the jar of CS you'e brewing usually goes to chassis ground and the wire electrode, which can be copper or even iron, goes to the main capacitor wire. If you're not running 120 volts the wiring inside may be a bit different. I'm not an electrician but I found bypassing the magnetron
Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc
between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result since
you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 to 60 volts.
High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you restrike.
Kirk
D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Joe,
I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to have that
capacitor discharged safely. The thing with
using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high rate of
production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do change the
characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., carcinogenic. My
wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of their intrinsic danger.
I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that I am not replacing it.
Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since it changes the structure
of the water. The microwave
oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life.
If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device using four
nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume. I use it to
stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case of it. Also am
using ozonated
water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I do take a
good probiotic to hedge my bets.
Peace, D. Mindock
- Original Message -
From: Joe Street
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
OMG please don't do this!
The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of energy! This is
sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one unsuspecting soul who has
decided to tinker around inside the microwave oven. The article below even
goes to the extent of warning you to discharge the cap before doing any
assembly work but then it goes on at the end in bold red saying the danger is
not in operating the beast but in its construction. It doesn't say
anythingabout how you are supposed to discharge the cap before you try to
remove the electrode from the jar!
Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as low as 20 volts
and with current limiting. It will take a little longer (15 minutes) to make a
batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current limiting is important because
it keeps particle size down in the low nanometer range where it needs to be in
order to make a good colloid. I use a little wall wart type transformer for
this. Half a litre IS high volume. Considering that the most effective way to
use the stuff is to put it in a nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther
mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN of a sore throat ( not effective at later
stages) and you are using perhaps 1ml at a time, half a litre will last your
entire family a year or more. DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill
off beneficial bacteria in your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured
with repeated misting of the open eye, but again it is working on contact.
There are many other uses for the stuff which I won't
get into but it is basically a powerful anit-bacterial which works on contact
against single celled organisms.
The internals of microwave ovens are extremely unforgiving and even for the
initiated there is no room for error or absent mindedness.
Joe
D. Mindock wrote:
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Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
If turn on the microwave and pull the plug while it's running that would discharge most if not all of the power in the capacitor I would think. A quick test from a meter would verify if it still had power or not. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:19 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result since you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 to 60 volts. High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you restrike. Kirk D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe, I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to have that capacitor discharged safely. The thing with using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high rate of production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do change the characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., carcinogenic. My wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of their intrinsic danger. I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that I am not replacing it. Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since it changes the structure of the water. The microwave oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life. If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device using four nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume. I use it to stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case of it. Also am using ozonated water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I do take a good probiotic to hedge my bets. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver OMG please don't do this! The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to discharge the cap before doing any assembly work but then it goes on at the end in bold red saying the danger is not in operating the beast but in its construction. It doesn't say anythingabout how you are supposed to discharge the cap before you try to remove the electrode from the jar! Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as low as 20 volts and with current limiting. It will take a little longer (15 minutes) to make a batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current limiting is important because it keeps particle size down in the low nanometer range where it needs to be in order to make a good colloid. I use a little wall wart type transformer for this. Half a litre IS high volume. Considering that the most effective way to use the stuff is to put it in a nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN of a sore throat ( not effective at later stages) and you are using perhaps 1ml at a time, half a litre will last your entire family a year or more. DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill off beneficial bacteria in your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured with repeated misting of the open eye, but again it is working on contact. There are many other uses for the stuff which I won't get into but it is basically a powerful anit-bacterial which works on contact against single celled organisms. The internals of microwave ovens are extremely unforgiving and even for the initiated there is no room for error or absent mindedness. Joe D. Mindock wrote: Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker You want a plague-ready machine that'll make about 40 quarts of strong Colloidal Silver an hour, that you can easily build in an hour for about $38?? I've built many now for people and I'll tell you how to make yours. This is about the simplest colloidal silver maker you could build. The unit makes 1 liter of roughly 40 PPM CS in 1.5 minutes or less using reverse osmosis water; with this kind of power, continuous production is possible with a spaghetti tube adding and removing water at a trickle. The primarily ionic silver
Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
Microwave radiation changes the structure of water? How so? Water is a polar molecule and therefore responds to rotating magnetic fields. The RF fields inside the microwave oven cause the water molecules to spin in resonance with the microwave frequency. Molecular movement is synonomous with heat and that's the end of the story. Making molecules spin doesn't change their structure. Now radiolytic byproducts that's a different story, but water? Don't believe it. Joe D. Mindock wrote: snip . Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since it changes the structure of the water. The microwave oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
See! See! A quick test will a meter might leave you lying on the floor witrh your heart all a twitter. What meter will you use to check 3500 V DC? What voltage are the leads good for? Did you know that even dirt on the outside of the lead wires can be enough of a conductive path to let the discharge flow right down the surface to your hands? No probably not. And it would not be something intuitively obvious to anyone who has not been trained how to work with HV. Because it is not obvious and everyone has to be taught these things. Did you know that the dielectric in a HV capacitor will usually recharge itself quite significantly after a single discharge? It is also a naive assumption that pulling the plug will leave the cap discharged. No offence to you Logan, but your post just serves to illustrate my point. Joe Logan vilas wrote: If turn on the microwave and pull the plug while it's running that would discharge most if not all of the power in the capacitor I would think. A quick test from a meter would verify if it still had power or not. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:19 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result since you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 to 60 volts. High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you restrike. Kirk D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe, I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to have that capacitor discharged safely. The thing with using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high rate of production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do change the characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., carcinogenic. My wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of their intrinsic danger. I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that I am not replacing it. Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since it changes the structure of the water. The microwave oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life. If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device using four nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume. I use it to stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case of it. Also am using ozonated water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I do take a good probiotic to hedge my bets. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver OMG please don't do this! The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to discharge the cap before doing any assembly work but then it goes on at the end in bold red saying the danger is not in operating the beast but in its construction. It doesn't say anythingabout how you are supposed to discharge the cap before you try to remove the electrode from the jar! Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as low as 20 volts and with current limiting. It will take a little longer (15 minutes) to make a batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current limiting is important because it keeps particle size down in the low nanometer range where it needs to be in order to make a good colloid. I use a little wall wart type transformer for this. Half a litre IS high volume. Considering that the most effective way to use the stuff is to put it in a nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN of a sore throat ( not effective at later stages) and you are using perhaps 1ml at a time, half a litre will last your entire family a year or more. DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill off beneficial bacteria in your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured with repeated misting of the open eye, but again it is working on contact. There are many other uses for the stuff which I won't get into but it is basically a powerful anit-bacterial which works on contact against single celled organisms. The internals of microwave ovens are extremely unforgiving and even for the initiated there is no room for error or absent
Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
treat it like a TV tube. once you dump it, leave the jumper leads across the terminals, a HV meter is kind of expensive, personally i think youd do better to take it to the metal yard and get your 1.25$ from the scrappers. - Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver See! See! A quick test will a meter might leave you lying on the floor witrh your heart all a twitter. What meter will you use to check 3500 V DC? What voltage are the leads good for? Did you know that even dirt on the outside of the lead wires can be enough of a conductive path to let the discharge flow right down the surface to your hands? No probably not. And it would not be something intuitively obvious to anyone who has not been trained how to work with HV. Because it is not obvious and everyone has to be taught these things. Did you know that the dielectric in a HV capacitor will usually recharge itself quite significantly after a single discharge? It is also a naive assumption that pulling the plug will leave the cap discharged. No offence to you Logan, but your post just serves to illustrate my point. Joe Logan vilas wrote: If turn on the microwave and pull the plug while it's running that would discharge most if not all of the power in the capacitor I would think. A quick test from a meter would verify if it still had power or not. Logan Vilas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:19 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result since you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 to 60 volts. High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you restrike. Kirk D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe, I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to have that capacitor discharged safely. The thing with using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high rate of production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do change the characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., carcinogenic. My wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of their intrinsic danger. I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that I am not replacing it. Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since it changes the structure of the water. The microwave oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life. If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device using four nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume. I use it to stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case of it. Also am using ozonated water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I do take a good probiotic to hedge my bets. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver OMG please don't do this! The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to discharge the cap before doing any assembly work but then it goes on at the end in bold red saying the danger is not in operating the beast but in its construction. It doesn't say anythingabout how you are supposed to discharge the cap before you try to remove the electrode from the jar! Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as low as 20 volts and with current limiting. It will take a little longer (15 minutes) to make a batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current limiting is important because it keeps particle size down in the low nanometer range where it needs to be in order to make a good colloid. I use a little wall wart type transformer for this. Half a litre IS high volume. Considering that the most effective way to use the stuff is to put it in a nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN of a sore throat ( not effective at later stages) and you are using perhaps 1ml at a time, half a litre will last your entire family a year or more. DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill off beneficial bacteria in your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured with repeated misting of the open eye, but again it is working on contact. There are many other uses for the stuff which
Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
OMG please don't do this! The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to discharge the cap before doing any assembly work but then it goes on at the end in bold red saying the danger is not in operating the beast but in its construction. It doesn't say anythingabout how you are supposed to discharge the cap before you try to remove the electrode from the jar! Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as low as 20 volts and with current limiting. It will take a little longer (15 minutes) to make a batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current limiting is important because it keeps particle size down in the low nanometer range where it needs to be in order to make a good colloid. I use a little wall wart type transformer for this. Half a litre IS high volume. Considering that the most effective way to use the stuff is to put it in a nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN of a sore throat ( not effective at later stages) and you are using perhaps 1ml at a time, half a litre will last your entire family a year or more. DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill off beneficial bacteria in your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured with repeated misting of the open eye, but again it is working on contact. There are many other uses for the stuff which I won't get into but it is basically a powerful anit-bacterial which works on contact against single celled organisms. The internals of microwave ovens are extremely unforgiving and even for the initiated there is no room for error or absent mindedness. Joe D. Mindock wrote: Build Your Own High-Volume Colloidal Silver Maker You want a plague-ready machine that'll make about 40 quarts of strong Colloidal Silver an hour, that you can easily build in an hour for about $38?? I've built many now for people and I'll tell you how to make yours. This is about the simplest colloidal silver maker you could build. The unit makes 1 liter of roughly 40 PPM CS in 1.5 minutes or less using reverse osmosis water; with this kind of power, continuous production is possible with a spaghetti tube adding and removing water at a trickle. The primarily ionic silver it produces has saved lives, write-offs sent home by the hospital to die. As the old Chinese saying goes, Those who say it can't be done should not interrupt the one who is doing it. I have re-wired a microwave oven because it gives more than adequate power - about 3600 volts pulsed DC current - to make batches very quickly. I use a fine, 1 oz silver wafer rolled-out to 5.25 inches long and 1.25 wide for the electrode. This size for the high current allows reduced power DENSITY. The electrodes are spaced parallel for a wide-mouth jar, about 2.25 inches apart, the water giving ample RESISTANCE to the current. There is no current-limiting needed and all the microwave's safeties still work. It won't operate with the door open. There are 2 insulated wires going to the magnetron. When you disconnect the magnetron (impeller) you'll only be using the heavier (main) wire from the capacitor; the silver electrode in the jar of CS you'e brewing usually goes to chassis ground and the wire electrode, which can be copper or even iron, goes to the main capacitor wire. If you're not running 120 volts the wiring inside may be a bit different. I'm not an electrician but I found bypassing the magnetron remarkably easy to do. Get someone a bit adept at the job and make sure (s)he bleeds the capacitor, which contains LETHAL VOLTAGE. Space the electrodes parallel by making holes in a plastic yogurt lid for the top and plastic paddle with holes the same distance apart at the bottom; at that voltage you have to ensure the electrodes never touch. Using an awl or a nail, bash a hole through the light perforations in the box cavity and thread the wire through from the CS maker in the oven cavity to the feed circuit. Make sure the wire is short enough to make it impossible for some goof to operate the unit with the electrodes outside the box! (Hint: the smaller microwave ovens can be put on their side so you can get a decent sized jar inside) The first CS maker done this way will take perhaps an hour, the rest, 20 minutes, and makes the old (free?) microwave into a much more noble device than it was even when it was new. The safeties and timer still work and again, it only operates when the door is shut. Total cost, a bit of high-voltage wire and the one-ounce rolled-out silver ingot, is under about $40 CDN, and I used expensive copper-core spark plug wires for the high-voltage part. The CS remains clear (not yellow, not cloudy) for many months unless it's somehow
