Re: [Biofuel] titanium
Perhaps Jeremy was thinking of platinum as used in catalytic heaters? Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] titanium
Very interesting. I have also been wondering about ways to add energy to make the reaction go. One thing I was considering was ultraviolet light. Anybody on the list have any knowledge or ideas about this? Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi There: The following US patent offers making biodiesel by adding 15% MeOH and running the mix at 85degC past very high DC electrode to get 100% conversion - no glycerine, it is converted to 1,2,3-proprionate. The only other byproduct is hydrogen. Very cool, just a little scary. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=biodeiselOS=biodeiselRS=biodeisel http://tinyurl.com/8hjv7 Ray On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:10:14 -0400, francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Farmer: seems a good idea. Keep searching, wish you good luck. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] titanium Just wondering if anyone had any input. I have been thinking about Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that uses propaine run across titanium to crack the hydrocarbons down to CO2 and attracting mosquitos. I was wondering if the same theory could be used to make biodiesel? Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jeremy Farmer JBF Holdings LLC 2601 Lazy Hollow #603 Houston, Texas 77063 832-414-4217 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] titanium
I have seen ultrasonic (microwave) at http://tinyurl.com/8cad7 --in the reactor and http://tinyurl.com/bo3by -- in an exit tube from the reactor both produce glycerine byproduct. There are a couple of these producers out there who raised there hands a while back but I cannot find the post again. Ray On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:53:37 -0400, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting. I have also been wondering about ways to add energy to make the reaction go. One thing I was considering was ultraviolet light. Anybody on the list have any knowledge or ideas about this? Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi There: The following US patent offers making biodiesel by adding 15% MeOH and running the mix at 85degC past very high DC electrode to get 100% conversion - no glycerine, it is converted to 1,2,3-proprionate. The only other byproduct is hydrogen. Very cool, just a little scary. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=biodeiselOS=biodeiselRS=biodeisel http://tinyurl.com/8hjv7 Ray On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:10:14 -0400, francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Farmer: seems a good idea. Keep searching, wish you good luck. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] titanium Just wondering if anyone had any input. I have been thinking about Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that uses propaine run across titanium to crack the hydrocarbons down to CO2 and attracting mosquitos. I was wondering if the same theory could be used to make biodiesel? Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jeremy Farmer JBF Holdings LLC 2601 Lazy Hollow #603 Houston, Texas 77063 832-414-4217 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Ray or Shiraz Ings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-613-253-1311 Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] titanium
the only difference between this procedure and the usual method is the way you heat the mixture; that is, using microwaves substitutes for heating by other methods. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen ultrasonic (microwave) at http://tinyurl.com/8cad7 --in the reactor and http://tinyurl.com/bo3by -- in an exit tube from the reactor both produce glycerine byproduct. There are a couple of these producers out there who raised there hands a while back but I cannot find the post again. Ray On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:53:37 -0400, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting. I have also been wondering about ways to add energy to make the reaction go. One thing I was considering was ultraviolet light. Anybody on the list have any knowledge or ideas about this? Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi There: The following US patent offers making biodiesel by adding 15% MeOH and running the mix at 85degC past very high DC electrode to get 100% conversion - no glycerine, it is converted to 1,2,3-proprionate. The only other byproduct is hydrogen. Very cool, just a little scary. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=biodeiselOS=biodeiselRS=biodeisel http://tinyurl.com/8hjv7 Ray On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:10:14 -0400, francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Farmer: seems a good idea. Keep searching, wish you good luck. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] titanium Just wondering if anyone had any input. I have been thinking about Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that uses propaine run across titanium to crack the hydrocarbons down to CO2 and attracting mosquitos. I was wondering if the same theory could be used to make biodiesel? Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jeremy Farmer JBF Holdings LLC 2601 Lazy Hollow #603 Houston, Texas 77063 832-414-4217 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] titanium
UV light ? To destruct ( or help oxidise) molecules, how is that helpfull? Bruno M. ~~ At 14:53 10/08/2005, Joe wrote: Very interesting. I have also been wondering about ways to add energy to make the reaction go. One thing I was considering was ultraviolet light. Anybody on the list have any knowledge or ideas about this? Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi There: The following US patent offers making biodiesel by adding 15% MeOH and running the mix at 85degC past very high DC electrode to get 100% conversion - no glycerine, it is converted to 1,2,3-proprionate. The only other byproduct is hydrogen. Very cool, just a little scary. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=biodeiselOS=biodeiselRS=biodeisel http://tinyurl.com/8hjv7 Ray == ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] titanium
I'm not sure it is that simple. I read the abstract and clearly the energy is coupled acoustically into the oil. I assume the transducer they used is similar to the ones found in ultrasonic disrupters used for breaking cell walls (40 Khz) and megasonic cleaning systems which are used in the semiconductor industry for cleaning photomasks. These operate in the Mhz frequency range but couple energy acoustically rather than through RF electromagnetic agitation of molecules as is sugested by the word 'microwave' Sonic energy causes microcavitation in fluids and when the tiny bubbles colapse they launch micro shockwaves that can do surprising things. I had also considered using microwaves in the way you suggest similar to the way a downstream plasma source works but in this case it would be oil in the tube rather than a rarefied gas. Oil molecules have an absorbtion peak somewhere around the 2.5 Ghz frequency that typical microwave oven magnetrons produce so energy would be easily coupled through this method. I am not a chemist but basically the idea is that if you can inject enough energy to kick electrons out of thier happy orbitals you can then cause chemical bonds to break or under the right conditions, to form. Photons in the UV spectrum are very energetic and in the presence of the stoichiometric ratio of alcohol and base I am wondering if coupling energy into the system in the right way can push the reaction to completion without the need for extra alcohol as a catalyst. That would directly reduce the cost of producing biodiesel and also mean that the glycerine could be alcohol free. Ahh if only I didn't need to sleep, eat, and go to a job every day I might have time to play around and find out some answers. Joe bob allen wrote: the only difference between this procedure and the usual method is the way you heat the mixture; that is, using microwaves substitutes for heating by other methods. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen ultrasonic (microwave) at http://tinyurl.com/8cad7 --in the reactor and http://tinyurl.com/bo3by -- in an exit tube from the reactor both produce glycerine byproduct. There are a couple of these producers out there who raised there hands a while back but I cannot find the post again. Ray On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:53:37 -0400, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting. I have also been wondering about ways to add energy to make the reaction go. One thing I was considering was ultraviolet light. Anybody on the list have any knowledge or ideas about this? Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi There: The following US patent offers making biodiesel by adding 15% MeOH and running the mix at 85degC past very high DC electrode to get 100% conversion - no glycerine, it is converted to 1,2,3-proprionate. The only other byproduct is hydrogen. Very cool, just a little scary. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=biodeiselOS=biodeiselRS=biodeisel http://tinyurl.com/8hjv7 Ray On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:10:14 -0400, francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Farmer: seems a good idea. Keep searching, wish you good luck. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] titanium Just wondering if anyone had any input. I have been thinking about Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that uses propaine run across titanium to crack the hydrocarbons down to CO2 and attracting mosquitos. I was wondering if the same theory could be used to make biodiesel? Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jeremy Farmer JBF Holdings LLC 2601 Lazy Hollow #603 Houston, Texas 77063 832-414-4217 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search
Re: [Biofuel] titanium
Hi Bruno, I think you have to break the glycerine off the fat or oil molecule so the alcohol can attach and form an ester plus water. UV light has the capacity to do that splitting and a lot more. it might be a little tricky figuring out the dosage. Tom Irwin From: Bruno M. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:54:36 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] titaniumUV light ?To destruct ( or help oxidise) molecules, how is that helpfull?Bruno M.~~At 14:53 10/08/2005, Joe wrote:Very interesting. I have also been wondering about ways to add energy to make the reaction go. One thing I was considering was ultraviolet light. Anybody on the list have any knowledge or ideas about this?Joe[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi There:The following US patent offers making biodiesel by adding 15% MeOHand running the mix at 85degC past very high DC electrode to get100% conversion - no glycerine, it is converted to 1,2,3-proprionate.The only other byproduct is hydrogen. Very cool, just a littlescary.http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=biodeiselOS=biodeiselRS=biodeisel http://tinyurl.com/8hjv7Ray== ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] titanium
Howdy Jeremy, short answer, no. All the trap is doing is burning propane to make co2. Jeremy Farmer wrote: Just wondering if anyone had any input. I have been thinking about Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that uses propaine run across titanium to crack the hydrocarbons down to CO2 and attracting mosquitos. I was wondering if the same theory could be used to make biodiesel? Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jeremy Farmer JBF Holdings LLC 2601 Lazy Hollow #603 Houston, Texas 77063 832-414-4217 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] titanium
Dear Mr. Farmer: seems a good idea. Keep searching, wish you good luck. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] titanium Just wondering if anyone had any input. I have been thinking about Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that uses propaine run across titanium to crack the hydrocarbons down to CO2 and attracting mosquitos. I was wondering if the same theory could be used to make biodiesel? Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jeremy Farmer JBF Holdings LLC 2601 Lazy Hollow #603 Houston, Texas 77063 832-414-4217 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] titanium
Hi There: The following US patent offers making biodiesel by adding 15% MeOH and running the mix at 85degC past very high DC electrode to get 100% conversion - no glycerine, it is converted to 1,2,3-proprionate. The only other byproduct is hydrogen. Very cool, just a little scary. http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50co1=ANDd=PG01s1=biodeiselOS=biodeiselRS=biodeisel http://tinyurl.com/8hjv7 Ray On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:10:14 -0400, francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Farmer: seems a good idea. Keep searching, wish you good luck. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] titanium Just wondering if anyone had any input. I have been thinking about Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that uses propaine run across titanium to crack the hydrocarbons down to CO2 and attracting mosquitos. I was wondering if the same theory could be used to make biodiesel? Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jeremy Farmer JBF Holdings LLC 2601 Lazy Hollow #603 Houston, Texas 77063 832-414-4217 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Ray or Shiraz Ings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-613-253-1311 Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
