Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program
Here is an update from me on power: Rented a VW Gol for two weeks in Brazil, seems to correspond to an old version of VW Golf or a VW Polo from the interior. Drove 1,000 miles in cities and on rural roads. 4 adults and luggage. On the countryside no problems with speeds between 75 to 95 mph (maybe I broke some speed limits). This between areas of potholes, were I had to brake hard. No real disadvantage in acceleration that I could notice, but on the other hand I would compensate that with the gearbox without thinking. I do not read the data sheet before I drive a car, I only drive it. Was quite slow compared with the Porche 928, BMW 750 MB 500 and AUDI V8, that I had some years ago when I could have expensive company cars. I did not really notice any difference in the 24% ethanol mix and would probably noticed it less in the previous mentioned cars. Hakan At 11:12 AM 12/19/2002 +0900, you wrote: >Hi MM > > > >Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a record cane crop, > > >sharp rise in oil prices this year > >Complicated, I wish I knew more about it - complex stuff about >subsidies and whether they were a "good thing" or not (not that the >petro companies ever get subsidies of course!), big success stories >and then negative ones, and pressure from the domestic oil industry. >Very hard to see the thing straight without going there and getting >mud on your boots at the local level. > >This is from the archives, two years ago: > >"In 1984 Brazil decided to go the anhydrous ethanol route. It set up >vehicle mix standards for manufacturers, and made available (until >1997) a subsidy of 140 million dollars to anhydrous ethanol (ae) >manufacturers.In a country with 140 million people this is mere >chickenfeed. > >"Since then Brazil has manufactured close to six million vehicles >that run on straight 100% ae. These include over seven hundred >thousand trucks and farm tractors, and some twelve thousand buses. > >"All manufacturers, and that includes Ford and GM, have a line-up of >ae powered vehicles... All Brazilian gasoline has a minimum of 24% ae >(v/v) content, and this will probably be upped to 26% in the near >future." > > >" and development of new engine technologies to use ethanol." > > > >I wonder what this last comment is in reference to? Has there been > >real progress in efficiency or power levels in using ethanol in > >engines? > >Not that I know of. Maybe someone with Brazilian mud on their boots >will enlighten us. > >Best > >Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program
>Hi All, >I think the Minister is referring to the Flexible Fuel >Vehicles, capable of sensing ethanol content in the >fuel tank and adjust the spark timing accordingly. >Brazil and Germany also entered into CDM agreement to >promote the use of fuel ethanol. >Samai You've got it - thanks Samai. Regards Keith > --- murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a > > record cane crop, > > >sharp rise in oil prices this year > > > > > > " and development of new engine technologies to > > use ethanol." > > > > I wonder what this last comment is in reference to? > > Has there been > > real progress in efficiency or power levels in using > > ethanol in > > engines? Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program
>To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com >From: Sam Jai-In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:33:23 + (GMT) >Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture >minister backs ethanol program > >Hi All, >I think the Minister is referring to the Flexible Fuel >Vehicles, capable of sensing ethanol content in the >fuel tank and adjust the spark timing accordingly. >Brazil and Germany also entered into CDM agreement to >promote the use of fuel ethanol. >Samai > --- murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a > > record cane crop, > > >sharp rise in oil prices this year > > > > > > " and development of new engine technologies to > > use ethanol." > > > > I wonder what this last comment is in reference to? > > Has there been > > real progress in efficiency or power levels in using > > ethanol in > > engines? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program
Hi MM > >Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a record cane crop, > >sharp rise in oil prices this year Complicated, I wish I knew more about it - complex stuff about subsidies and whether they were a "good thing" or not (not that the petro companies ever get subsidies of course!), big success stories and then negative ones, and pressure from the domestic oil industry. Very hard to see the thing straight without going there and getting mud on your boots at the local level. This is from the archives, two years ago: "In 1984 Brazil decided to go the anhydrous ethanol route. It set up vehicle mix standards for manufacturers, and made available (until 1997) a subsidy of 140 million dollars to anhydrous ethanol (ae) manufacturers.In a country with 140 million people this is mere chickenfeed. "Since then Brazil has manufactured close to six million vehicles that run on straight 100% ae. These include over seven hundred thousand trucks and farm tractors, and some twelve thousand buses. "All manufacturers, and that includes Ford and GM, have a line-up of ae powered vehicles... All Brazilian gasoline has a minimum of 24% ae (v/v) content, and this will probably be upped to 26% in the near future." >" and development of new engine technologies to use ethanol." > >I wonder what this last comment is in reference to? Has there been >real progress in efficiency or power levels in using ethanol in >engines? Not that I know of. Maybe someone with Brazilian mud on their boots will enlighten us. Best Keith Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program
Hi MM > >Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a record cane crop, > >sharp rise in oil prices this year Complicated, I wish I knew more about it - complex stuff about subsidies and whether they were a "good thing" or not (not that the petro companies ever get subsidies of course!), big success stories and then negative ones, and pressure from the domestic oil industry. Very hard to see the thing straight without going there and getting mud on your boots at the local level. This is from the archives, two years ago: "In 1984 Brazil decided to go the anhydrous ethanol route. It set up vehicle mix standards for manufacturers, and made available (until 1997) a subsidy of 140 million dollars to anhydrous ethanol (ae) manufacturers.In a country with 140 million people this is mere chickenfeed. "Since then Brazil has manufactured close to six million vehicles that run on straight 100% ae. These include over seven hundred thousand trucks and farm tractors, and some twelve thousand buses. "All manufacturers, and that includes Ford and GM, have a line-up of ae powered vehicles... All Brazilian gasoline has a minimum of 24% ae (v/v) content, and this will probably be upped to 26% in the near future." >" and development of new engine technologies to use ethanol." > >I wonder what this last comment is in reference to? Has there been >real progress in efficiency or power levels in using ethanol in >engines? Not that I know of. Maybe someone with Brazilian mud on their boots will enlighten us. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program
Hi All, I think the Minister is referring to the Flexible Fuel Vehicles, capable of sensing ethanol content in the fuel tank and adjust the spark timing accordingly. Brazil and Germany also entered into CDM agreement to promote the use of fuel ethanol. Samai --- murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a > record cane crop, > >sharp rise in oil prices this year > > > " and development of new engine technologies to > use ethanol." > > I wonder what this last comment is in reference to? > Has there been > real progress in efficiency or power levels in using > ethanol in > engines? > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/.ZSp6B/dlOFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program
>Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a record cane crop, >sharp rise in oil prices this year " and development of new engine technologies to use ethanol." I wonder what this last comment is in reference to? Has there been real progress in efficiency or power levels in using ethanol in engines? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Brazil's new agriculture minister backs ethanol program
>Fuel alcohol has returned to favor following a record cane crop, >sharp rise in oil prices this year " and development of new engine technologies to use ethanol." I wonder what this last comment is in reference to? Has there been real progress in efficiency or power levels in using ethanol in engines? Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
