RE: [biofuel] OT & Personal

[Mark Kaufman]

Kim
My wife, Boo and I, will have been married for 20 years this July, and
we are happier now than ever!!  However, all of our friends that married
around 1983, '84 and '85 are all divorced now, some two or three times
over.  We know only one other couple that has been married over ten
years.  I agree  with the idea of the self-centeredness of our society.
Another underlying (or subconsciencous) idea causing this 30 or 40
year-old trend is the "throw-away" or disposable lifestyle Americans
have developed.  When arguments arise, people tend to take the easy way
out, rather than work through their problems, which is the same
mentality of "throw-it-away-when-you-are-tired-of-it" kind of thinking.
This is contrary to our fathers and grandfathers who lived through
adversity like the Great-Depression or the World Wars, where people had
to pull together to survive.

Mak Kaufman

-Original Message-
From: Kim & Garth Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:53 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] OT & Personal

Thank you for the happy news, it is nice to know we are not the only
ones.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 02:49 PM 5/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I believe as a society most of the population has gotten very self
centered.
>Thus the short marriages.
>This list I believe is not a representative sample as many people here
are
>idealistic and not self centered.
>I have been with my lady about 24 years and we hate being apart.
>
>Kirk
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Kim & Garth Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:16 PM
>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [biofuel] OT & Personal
>
>
>My husband is on a desiel repair course, out of town.  The class is
mixed
>and during a social break, one of the ladies stated she had never seen
a
>happy marriage and no longer believed in them.  Everyone except my
spouse,
>either agreed or stated they had 'livable' marriages.  This is the
first
>time he has been on a course with out me for over 10 years, so we have
been
>out of the circuit.  Is this normal?  Has the general opinion of
marriage
>really gotten this bad?  I can understand why we haven't heard this
before,
>since we are obviously happily married and have been for almost 15
years.
>
>Someone please tell me that this is rare.
>
>Bright Blessings,
>Kim
>
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Re: [biofuel] OT & Personal

[Greg and April]

Kim,

I would guess that many of the people that your husband talked to would
rather settle for mediocrity, then strive for something better, and that is
why they had 'livable' marriages, rather than good or great marriages.

The wife and I have been married over 7 years, and while we don't always
agree, we believe that family is the most important thing we can have, and
because we love each other, we work out the differences that come up.
Marriage to many people has become, like many other things in this modern
world, "disposable", and to be used at ones will.   My grandparents were
married well over 50 years and while they had 'tiffs' and disagreements
about things, I think that anyone that knew them, would say they had a
wonderful marriage that could be used as an example ( I know that I try ),
but again they worked to make it what it was.

Greg H.


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From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:16
Subject: [biofuel] OT & Personal


> My husband is on a desiel repair course, out of town.  The class is mixed
> and during a social break, one of the ladies stated she had never seen a
> happy marriage and no longer believed in them.  Everyone except my spouse,
> either agreed or stated they had 'livable' marriages.  This is the first
> time he has been on a course with out me for over 10 years, so we have
been
> out of the circuit.  Is this normal?  Has the general opinion of marriage
> really gotten this bad?  I can understand why we haven't heard this
before,
> since we are obviously happily married and have been for almost 15 years.
>
> Someone please tell me that this is rare.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
>
>



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RE: [biofuel] OT & Personal

[Kim & Garth Travis]

Thank you for the happy news, it is nice to know we are not the only ones.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 02:49 PM 5/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>I believe as a society most of the population has gotten very self centered.
>Thus the short marriages.
>This list I believe is not a representative sample as many people here are
>idealistic and not self centered.
>I have been with my lady about 24 years and we hate being apart.
>
>Kirk
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Kim & Garth Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:16 PM
>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [biofuel] OT & Personal
>
>
>My husband is on a desiel repair course, out of town.  The class is mixed
>and during a social break, one of the ladies stated she had never seen a
>happy marriage and no longer believed in them.  Everyone except my spouse,
>either agreed or stated they had 'livable' marriages.  This is the first
>time he has been on a course with out me for over 10 years, so we have been
>out of the circuit.  Is this normal?  Has the general opinion of marriage
>really gotten this bad?  I can understand why we haven't heard this before,
>since we are obviously happily married and have been for almost 15 years.
>
>Someone please tell me that this is rare.
>
>Bright Blessings,
>Kim
>
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RE: [biofuel] OT & Personal

[kirk]

I believe as a society most of the population has gotten very self centered.
Thus the short marriages.
This list I believe is not a representative sample as many people here are
idealistic and not self centered.
I have been with my lady about 24 years and we hate being apart.

Kirk

-Original Message-
From: Kim & Garth Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:16 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] OT & Personal


My husband is on a desiel repair course, out of town.  The class is mixed
and during a social break, one of the ladies stated she had never seen a
happy marriage and no longer believed in them.  Everyone except my spouse,
either agreed or stated they had 'livable' marriages.  This is the first
time he has been on a course with out me for over 10 years, so we have been
out of the circuit.  Is this normal?  Has the general opinion of marriage
really gotten this bad?  I can understand why we haven't heard this before,
since we are obviously happily married and have been for almost 15 years.

Someone please tell me that this is rare.

Bright Blessings,
Kim



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Re: [biofuel] OT & Personal

[Kim & Garth Travis]

Thanks Hakan, I needed a good laugh.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 09:31 PM 5/7/2003 +0200, you wrote:

>Kim,
>
>He scored some points, here is an other one,
>
>
>Follow in Rodney's footsteps.Rodney wakes up at home with a
>huge hangover. He forces himself to open his eyes, and the first thing he
>sees is a couple of aspirins and a glass of water on the side table. He
>sits down and sees his clothing in front of him, all clean and pressed.
>Rodney looks around the room and sees that it is in a perfect order,
>spotless, clean. So's the rest of the house. He takes the aspirins and
>notices a note on the table, "Honey, breakfast is on the stove, I left
>early to go shopping. Love you." So he goes to the kitchen and sure enough
>there is a hot breakfast and the morning newspaper. His son is also at the
>table, eating. Rodney asks, "Son, what happened last night?" His son says,
>"Well, you came home after 3 A.M., drunk and delirious. Broke some
>furniture, puked in the hallway, and gave yourself a black eye when you
>stumbled into the door." Confused, Rodney asks, "So, why is everything in
>order and so clean, and breakfast is on the table waiting for me?" His son
>replies, "Oh that! Mom dragged you to the bedroom, and when she tried to
>take your pants off you said, "Lady leave me alone, I'm married'!"


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Re: [biofuel] OT & Personal

[Hakan]

Kim,

He scored some points, here is an other one,


Follow in Rodney's footsteps.Rodney wakes up at home with a 
huge hangover. He forces himself to open his eyes, and the first thing he 
sees is a couple of aspirins and a glass of water on the side table. He 
sits down and sees his clothing in front of him, all clean and pressed. 
Rodney looks around the room and sees that it is in a perfect order, 
spotless, clean. So's the rest of the house. He takes the aspirins and 
notices a note on the table, "Honey, breakfast is on the stove, I left 
early to go shopping. Love you." So he goes to the kitchen and sure enough 
there is a hot breakfast and the morning newspaper. His son is also at the 
table, eating. Rodney asks, "Son, what happened last night?" His son says, 
"Well, you came home after 3 A.M., drunk and delirious. Broke some 
furniture, puked in the hallway, and gave yourself a black eye when you 
stumbled into the door." Confused, Rodney asks, "So, why is everything in 
order and so clean, and breakfast is on the table waiting for me?" His son 
replies, "Oh that! Mom dragged you to the bedroom, and when she tried to 
take your pants off you said, "Lady leave me alone, I'm married'!"

-:)

Hakan


At 01:16 PM 5/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>My husband is on a desiel repair course, out of town.  The class is mixed
>and during a social break, one of the ladies stated she had never seen a
>happy marriage and no longer believed in them.  Everyone except my spouse,
>either agreed or stated they had 'livable' marriages.  This is the first
>time he has been on a course with out me for over 10 years, so we have been
>out of the circuit.  Is this normal?  Has the general opinion of marriage
>really gotten this bad?  I can understand why we haven't heard this before,
>since we are obviously happily married and have been for almost 15 years.
>
>Someone please tell me that this is rare.
>
>Bright Blessings,
>Kim


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RE: [biofuel] OT & Personal

[steckly . gary]

Obviously Kim, you and your husband share many interests, some of which many
would consider unusual in the extreme (burning waste grease for fuel?!)  
 
I know that when I asked my wife to go "dumpster diving" with me for WVO
behind the local fast food joints, she immediately checked our contract to
see if that was grounds for divorce.  Finding nothing specific, she agreed
that I could indulge in this "pastime" providing that I didn't solicit her
help and that it wouldn't increase the number of varmints prowling around
our place checking out the source of any "aromatic esters" that might be
stored therein. Also, I was told that I was to confine my activities to the
interior of the woodshed so as to not further detract from the property
value (sometimes I think she views me as more of a liability than an
asset...).  
 
In any event, I tolerate her cats, and she tolerates my 22 year old Merc
diesel which will soon be fuelled on vegetable oils.  Concerning your
obviously happy partnership with Garth, I guess this only goes to prove the
old adage... the family that transesterificates together, stays together.
 
Congratulations on finding your soul-mate.
 
Gary
 
"transesterification... a game the whole family can play"

-Original Message-
From: Kim & Garth Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2003 2:16 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] OT & Personal


My husband is on a desiel repair course, out of town.  The class is mixed 
and during a social break, one of the ladies stated she had never seen a 
happy marriage and no longer believed in them.  Everyone except my spouse, 
either agreed or stated they had 'livable' marriages.  This is the first 
time he has been on a course with out me for over 10 years, so we have been 
out of the circuit.  Is this normal?  Has the general opinion of marriage 
really gotten this bad?  I can understand why we haven't heard this before, 
since we are obviously happily married and have been for almost 15 years.

Someone please tell me that this is rare.

Bright Blessings,
Kim 



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Re: [biofuel] OT & Personal

[Kim & Garth Travis]

Once in a while I like to find out what's going on out in the 'real' world, 
not my piece of paradise.  Since this list has a large population scattered 
all over the world, it is a nice place to ask.  Actually I am wondering if 
the self sufficient lifestyle makes for happier marriages?  Make biofuel 
not divorce, maybe.  How's that for a conection.
Bright Blessings,
Kim

At 01:24 PM 5/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Marital "advice" on a biofuels listLet's seethere's got to be a
>connection there somewhere :-)
>
>Kim,
>
>Stick with what you know to be true.4/5ths of the world is full of horse
>muffins (on almost all accounts) and probably have never figured out how to
>be happy with themselves, much less someone else.
>
>Todd Swearingen
>
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>From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:16 PM
>Subject: [biofuel] OT & Personal
>
>
> > My husband is on a desiel repair course, out of town.  The class is mixed
> > and during a social break, one of the ladies stated she had never seen a
> > happy marriage and no longer believed in them.  Everyone except my spouse,
> > either agreed or stated they had 'livable' marriages.  This is the first
> > time he has been on a course with out me for over 10 years, so we have
>been
> > out of the circuit.  Is this normal?  Has the general opinion of marriage
> > really gotten this bad?  I can understand why we haven't heard this
>before,
> > since we are obviously happily married and have been for almost 15 years.
> >
> > Someone please tell me that this is rare.
> >
> > Bright Blessings,
> > Kim
> >
> >
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Re: [biofuel] OT & Personal

[Appal Energy]

Marital "advice" on a biofuels listLet's seethere's got to be a
connection there somewhere :-)

Kim,

Stick with what you know to be true.4/5ths of the world is full of horse
muffins (on almost all accounts) and probably have never figured out how to
be happy with themselves, much less someone else.

Todd Swearingen

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From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:16 PM
Subject: [biofuel] OT & Personal


> My husband is on a desiel repair course, out of town.  The class is mixed
> and during a social break, one of the ladies stated she had never seen a
> happy marriage and no longer believed in them.  Everyone except my spouse,
> either agreed or stated they had 'livable' marriages.  This is the first
> time he has been on a course with out me for over 10 years, so we have
been
> out of the circuit.  Is this normal?  Has the general opinion of marriage
> really gotten this bad?  I can understand why we haven't heard this
before,
> since we are obviously happily married and have been for almost 15 years.
>
> Someone please tell me that this is rare.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
>
>
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