[svg-developers] IE7 / SVG/ASV3
I've tested IE7 beta 2 and find it seamless and worthy for those who have developed SVG in the IE browser, using Adobe SVG Viewer 3. What this means is that the IE browser of the future fully supports your efforts of the past. Also, it provides a stable environment for your future development. Regards, Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Plugin opensource
Hi, I'm developing software SVGFlash (*alpha*), it is similiar Macromedia Flash 4. So I don't have time for develop a player or plugin excelente like flash player or flash plugin (IE and FF). I create my project using JAVA, cross plataform and the objective is animation, because exists very aplication for SVG static. thank's Ronan Oger escreveu: On Tuesday 31 January 2006 21:53, Phi Tran wrote: 1- There no server-side XMLHTTP needed. It is 100% Client process. (All it need is an SVG file form the server.). . Right, as long as you are only interested in static content, that is a fine usage. For images, for example. 2- It is not 100% SVG1-2 but it support all graphic and cascade style. Right. This certainly has a place for static content. 3- Me My staff want a web-base simple SVG editor that we can work anywhere (for ourself). Accessible to anyone of us. Right. I can certainly see the advantage of this. 4- I like one that can play SVG on 99.9% of the webserver population. Easy for Web develpoer do do one WEB-page that it display the same no matter what browser it is IE 4-5-6-7?? FF 1 -1.2 -1.5 Opera ? AOL ? NS ?? I dont know what you mean by webserver population. You can process SVG with batik on 100% of webservers (well, win32, unix, linux, mac... at least). Is that what you mean? XML-raster on the server, then send it to the client? 5- Timing? It slower because it is interpreted Vs compiled. Depend on how much how big one change it may or may not fit for GAME/animation purpose. But it may fit on other purpose such as map dynamic image generator such as a web-base image drawing. Right. Could be good, especially for clients that cant support static SVG. Are many of these? Have you come accross DENG, the svg viewer written in flash? Also, why not use flash to generate SVG drawings (blasphemy, but fairly easy, I would guess). 6- We are not just starting it. but it has been worked for long. Interesting. Any way to take a look at it? Do you have an online version that is accessible? Ronan On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Phi, Your idea of a web-enabled SVg renderer is great and I support the concept if y. Is that an SVG-1.2-full renderer? I am interested to see how you will support things like SMIL events and xmlhttprequest-driven serverside-driven updates. If you manage this, I will be very happy. Even if you only support SVGT, that would already be excellent. However, I have some issues with your point of view: 1. Why do you say adobe has abandoned SVG? Have Adobe pulled ASV and forbidden you from using it? As far as I an tell, this has not happened. Adobe may have decided to stop developing ASV as a product, but so what? That's their own loss. There are other SVG viewer implementations out there, and at least one on the very near horizon. 2. There is already an SVG viewer solution for every platform: Batik. And for each major platform, there is at least one SVG implementation. If you mean cross-browser SVG support, I do not think you can expect much joy. After all, it is a bit much to ask modern developers to continue to support IE6 forever. After all, IE6 is really starting to show its age and is totally out of date. Microsoft can refuse to update their browser, but they do so at their own risk. And while rumours of a pending IE7 abound, I'm not holding my breath for this to be usable on current hardware. I'll be pleasantly surprised to hear of IE7 running on WindowsXP on a 2004-2006 PC or laptop. 3. There is a lot more to SVG than rendering the pixels. time management, transparency management, and event handling are fairly complex things that will be difficult to mimick in dhtml and javascript alone. Of course, you *could* generate pixel maps of an SVG drawing, but doing so is pointless. Exactly what SVG is good at, pixel maps suck at... distinct object context handling. 4. Does your cross.browser free SVG editor work on Konqueror? Can you show a link? Is it better than Batik-based SVG editors? 5. I do not understand why people starved for an SVG plugin to IE6 do not simply compile a Batik applet to handle their SVG. Shouldnt that work? Sure, it would be fat... But it would work. and bandwidth is pretty good these days. For web2.0 apps, this solution should suffice. 6. I am not sure what you mean by dealing with black boxes. The source code for every SVG implementation in the wild except ASV and CSV is freely available. All you need to do is read it. Ronan On Tuesday 31 January 2006 20:53, Phi Tran wrote: But as you know ADOBE is abandoned SVG viewer. And 1- It is not CROSS-BROWSER such as IE 2- I don't like to deal with black box. I want to allow the Web author more flexibility such as to know that color a point is; or he/she what to just move/change one item/element . . . 3- It just a sub product of my Cross-platform/
RE: [svg-developers] Plugin opensource
I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from scratch for SVG when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or Konqueror's SVG team, which are open source, and help those implementation get better. does FF1.5/Mozilla/Konqueror implementation allows to draw SVG on a transparent background to overlap an existing zone, for exemple to draw a route on a map, as do Google on Gmap with MS private vector language? Pierre. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Plugin opensource
On 2/1/06, Bru, Pierre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from scratch for SVG when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or Konqueror's SVG team, which are open source, and help those implementation get better. does FF1.5/Mozilla/Konqueror implementation allows to draw SVG on a transparent background to overlap an existing zone, for exemple to draw a route on a map, as do Google on Gmap with MS private vector language? Pierre. Sure 100% If your SVG does not have an background then ts just draw lines or the box etc . . .on a transparent background. The foreground can also be semi- transparent (if your SVG say so). For none-IE: All it does is render thee svg to an in-memory Png file. That you can put on your img.src. Of couse you can tell it to create for you a blank Png file then populate it with any color you want each has its own transparancy. For IE: Then you have two choices. - You can export the png to round trip sever/echo or save it to your local file (intra-net) then assign it to your img.src. For better transparency on the PNG you should use MS IMAGELOAD FILTER instead of img.src OR: - You can have multiple in memory color XBM files to usually 8 then you can put it into your img(s).src. Actually it come along with its own client side javascript graphic library allowing you to build the bitmap files on the fly (at client site) in three formats PNG, BMP, XBM - We use MS filter to have the monochrome XBM displayed in color and/or color affect. Thanks. Phi - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] dispatchEvent problem
Hi all,
we've been developing an application that displays complex SVG content
tot he user. We use ASV3.02 embedded in the IE6.
Such an SVG consists of many layers. Each layer may have plenty of
visible objects.
We had a requirement to implement so called Object look up.
The user clicks on SVG and we have to show all objects located at the
clicked point.
In the first approach we implemented it in the very nasty way.
We set pointer-events attribute for all objects to all.
We have a MouseClickListener added to the root of the SVG. Once the
user clicks we get the target and set the pointer-events to none.
Then we fire a Windows mouseclick again - the MouseClickListener
reacts on that. This time the target is different, since the last one
doesn't get a mouseclick anymore. In that way we go deeper and deeper.
At the very bottom of the SVG we have one big rectangle called
BACKGROUND. If our ObjectLookUp reaches this BACKGROUND we stop the
function and we display all found objects.
It works pretty fine until the user wants to switch to another
application during this click-loop. Because we send mouseclick, but it
won't be handled by our MouseClickListener, since svgViewer is not
visible anymore.
So would like to fix this problem.
We came to the idea to use dispatchEvent method.
So what we have is (pseudo code):
MouseClickListener{
handleEvent(evt){
if(evt.target == BACKGROUND){
showObjects(targetCollection);
exit();
}
targetCollection.add(evt.target);
evt.target.setAttribute(pointer-events, none)
// what to do here??
document.root.dispatchEvent(evt);
}
}
Since evt is already set and its target is set to the first object,
dispatchEvent will cause that handleEvent is called, but evt is not
updated - it is again the evt with target equal to the first object,
although the first opbject has pointer-events set to none.
We have no API for CreateEvent() in ASV3.0. What can we do?
It is hopeless.
Could someone help us?
I searched the whole archive for the answer but I couldn't find a
solution.
thank you in advance
cheers
Maciek
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[svg-developers] getting xlink:href images that are in xlink:hrefed child svg to show in parent
I'm sure this problem has been around the block before. Here's the scenario: Parent SVG xlink:href's Child SVG which has xlink:hrefed .jpg images. The images don't show in the Parent. I've even converted the images to Base64 and placed them directly in the Child. Still no images in the Parent. What can I do to make this work? Thanks in advance - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Svg adobe viewer and onload events
Hi all, I would like to catch load event on a g element. Is it possible? I am trying to do something like that : svg g onload=test() ... /g svg It's not working... I'm using adobe svg viewer 3.03 and IE 6. In the specification I found that this element should manage this event : http://www.yoyodesign.org/doc/w3c/svg1/script.html#EventAttributes Is a problem with adobe? Thx Bruno - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Svg adobe viewer and onload events
I never had a problem with onload on the svg element, but never tried it on another element... :( Peter Kalev Senior Developer, SWF, LLC -Original Message- From: bmarquie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:31 AM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Svg adobe viewer and onload events Hi all, I would like to catch load event on a g element. Is it possible? I am trying to do something like that : svg g onload=test() ... /g svg It's not working... I'm using adobe svg viewer 3.03 and IE 6. In the specification I found that this element should manage this event : http://www.yoyodesign.org/doc/w3c/svg1/script.html#EventAttributes Is a problem with adobe? Thx Bruno - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] IE7 / SVG/ASV3
Francis, Interesting, and good to hear that IE7 is reasonable performant. What was the SVG-viewer you were using, and what was the hardware performance? Were you using ASV3 as a plugin? Ronan On Wednesday 01 February 2006 11:02, Francis Hemsher wrote: I've tested IE7 beta 2 and find it seamless and worthy for those who have developed SVG in the IE browser, using Adobe SVG Viewer 3. What this means is that the IE browser of the future fully supports your efforts of the past. Also, it provides a stable environment for your future development. Regards, Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Plugin opensource
On Wednesday 01 February 2006 12:59, Bru, Pierre wrote: I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from scratch for SVG when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or Konqueror's SVG team, which are open source, and help those implementation get better. does FF1.5/Mozilla/Konqueror implementation allows to draw SVG on a transparent background to overlap an existing zone, for exemple to draw a route on a map, as do Google on Gmap with MS private vector language? Pierre. I believe so. I asked this question last month to this list, and got a positive answer. Anyways, one thing is certain: what Google Maps does with VML and transparent images on top of a tiled set of raster images,people routinely do with SVG in the webmapping context. Check carto.net for numerous examples of this... Anyways, here is a trivial example of dynamic overlays over maps (clunky and rough, but I hope you get the point that this already can be done... All the data points are delivered real-time from an external server. http://www.roitsystems.com/SVG-Widgets/navigation/ShipAutomation.svg It's kind of clunky, and the underlying image is statically located, but that is simply because I spent 3 days on this demo... And it works on any implementation that supports script access to the DOM or to the uDOM, and xmlhttprequest or GetURL. The key point I am attempting to make is that the community would be better served by interested developers supporting and extending existing SVG implementations rather than by going out on and starting Yet Another Implementation... Ask any SVG browser developer, and you will get the same answer: it's not that simple. The trivial stuff like static SVG is fine, but that's not enough, and is not SVG1.2 or SVGT1.2 compliant, so static implementations are really of no interest to anyone. And anyways, there are too many static SVG implementations to list. It took Mozilla 3 years toget to where they are today, and anyone who thinks they can do better from scratch is kidding themeselves. There are plenty of existing solutions out there... let's help the developers working on those implementations rather than making their task even harder by competing against them. Finally, if you want a feature you can't find in your favorite opensource SVG implementation, why not request a feature and get some people together to fund the work? A little financial sponsorship goes a long way in open source... Ronan -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Mozilla and SVG
Mozilla.org announces the 1.0 release of their internet suite, 'SeaMonkey'. Why we care is that they explicitly mention native SVG support. While this is not news to the readers of this email list, it means more exposure for SVG to the internet hoardes. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE7 / SVG/ASV3
Wow, that was fast! IE7 Beta 2 was only released yesterday. Has anybody tried SVG (ASV 3) on IE 7 Beta 1? I tried it and couldn't get the ASV control to site. Also I am sitting in a Windows Vista (longhorn) training session trying to drop the SVG Control on a VB Form and hook it's SRC property up to a SVG file sitting on my desktop. It doesn't seem to work. Anybody played with SVG on Vista betas Kevin - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] javascript keyevents
I've added an event listner to capture key press events and have a mouse cursor issue. If I were to embed the svg into html and capture keypress events with function aKeyDown(e) in the html, my cursor does not need to be in the browser window to capture the event, as long as the browser is the active window. Without html, all the listner and event triggers must be in the svg, which means if the cursor is not over the svg document, nothing can happen, even if the browser is active. Is there a way around this without embedding into html? Thanks! Sean - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Pls help me, if u can
i DISCOVERED the bug. When i add in my svg, the attribute xlink:href=*.js changes in href=*.js .and also...and don't know why... --- Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pls. post an example of your output from php so we can see what your bug is. From the top of my head, it looks like your xml is not well formed (typo). On Tuesday 31 January 2006 16:37, X Razvan wrote: i'm new is svg... so.. I have a svg.it works.then i add some tags in it(with php)...and an error objects expected ;line0,col24 appears... where i should look to remove the error? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Edit Text
I've just uploaded a modified version of Kevin Lindsey's TextBox. It has a blinking cursor, backspace, ability to insert characters, and use of left and right arrow keys. -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy. -- Tom Waits - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: IE7 / SVG/ASV3
kggsystem wrote: Wow, that was fast! IE7 Beta 2 was only released yesterday. Has anybody tried SVG (ASV 3) on IE 7 Beta 1? I tried it and couldn't get the ASV control to site. Also I am sitting in a Windows Vista (longhorn) training session trying to drop the SVG Control on a VB Form and hook it's SRC property up to a SVG file sitting on my desktop. It doesn't seem to work. Anybody played with SVG on Vista betas That didn't work properly in XP / 2000 / 98 either... It may be the same error though I suspect not-- but it is nothing new. It would work in some situations but generally it did not. Jeff - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Plugin opensource
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 01 February 2006 12:59, Bru, Pierre wrote: I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from scratch for SVG when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or Konqueror's SVG team, which are open source, and help those implementation get better. does FF1.5/Mozilla/Konqueror implementation allows to draw SVG on a transparent background to overlap an existing zone, for exemple to draw a route on a map, as do Google on Gmap with MS private vector language? Pierre. I believe so. I asked this question last month to this list, and got a positive answer. Anyways, one thing is certain: what Google Maps does with VML and transparent images on top of a tiled set of raster images,people routinely do with SVG in the webmapping context. Check carto.net for numerous examples of this... Anyways, here is a trivial example of dynamic overlays over maps (clunky and rough, but I hope you get the point that this already can be done... All the data points are delivered real-time from an external server. http://www.roitsystems.com/SVG-Widgets/navigation/ShipAutomation.svg It's kind of clunky, and the underlying image is statically located, but that is simply because I spent 3 days on this demo... And it works on any implementation that supports script access to the DOM or to the uDOM, and xmlhttprequest or GetURL. The key point I am attempting to make is that the community would be better served by interested developers supporting and extending existing SVG implementations rather than by going out on and starting Yet Another Implementation... Ask any SVG browser developer, and you will get the same answer: it's not that simple. The trivial stuff like static SVG is fine, but that's not enough, and is not SVG1.2 or SVGT1.2 compliant, so static implementations are really of no interest to anyone. And anyways, there are too many static SVG implementations to list. It took Mozilla 3 years toget to where they are today, and anyone who thinks they can do better from scratch is kidding themeselves. There are plenty of existing solutions out there... let's help the developers working on those implementations rather than making their task even harder by competing against them. Finally, if you want a feature you can't find in your favorite opensource SVG implementation, why not request a feature and get some people together to fund the work? A little financial sponsorship goes a long way in open source... Ronan -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com Hi Roman. 1- I Am glad that you have fixed the blank link of your web-site. 2- The purpose of The forum is to SHARE Knowledge Good stub they may not fit you but it may fit someone else. We invest our effort to fit our in-house need first. If we see it then we share. We also want to acheive something that we are unabled to get from othe off-the shelf /opensource. WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING GOOD WE SHARE. Example: You may not need the SVG stub but someone else may need a cabitlity to generate the realtime/On-the-fly very--very dynamic graphic capabilty without the round trip back/forth from the server-- TOO SLOW - Certainly it fit our GAMES SOFTWARE. FLASH Not dynamic enough. 3-As you say It take FF 3 years to have SVG implemented this far. --TOO LONG--- my business can't wait that long. 4-I have seen wish list(s) and I have spent time to study I mean hacking the code of the opensource(s) before We decide do our own. It's simply not fit the requirement of our Client. 5-Time will tell and the community will judge either I am belong the the group of someone kidding themeselves or . - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
