Re: [svg-developers] SVG Logo Contest!

2006-05-30 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd 
Doug,

please take a little longer to consider the idea of a gallery.

a gallery would in my opinion be inspirational*, furthermore all  
entrants receive acknowledgement, and this in itself is motivation.

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd

*It seems you may have a rather low opinion of entrants as you  
consider the majority to be plagiarists as entries are URIs it is  
possible for early entrants to re-engineer if they deem appropriate  
in respect of later entries.

btw reason 2) has nothing whatsoever to do with setting up a gallery.

On 30 May 2006, at 16:55, Doug Schepers wrote:

Hi, Jonathan-

Thanks for your helpful suggestions. I clarified the rules a bit on the
site.

I don't think we're going to set up a gallery just yet, for 2 reasons.

1) We want the entries to be original, so we don't want people to derive
their logos from ones already submitted. That wouldn't be fair to the  
early
entrants.

2) The contest is being judged by the sponsors, not by the public, in  
order
to make sure that it goes smoothly and fairly. It would be too hard  
to set
up a secure voting mechanism that could not be abused by human or robot
multivotes.

Regards-
Doug


Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
|
| Doug,
|
| that's a great initiative, however do you need a gallery link?
| perhaps an entrants vote?
| http://open.bbc.co.uk/reboot/gallery/ gives a great feel for
| what the
| BBC managed to generate for similar prizes.
| all entries were moderated before being published.
|
| also you state when the competition ends, but not when the final
| decision will be made, this is vitally important, as drift has been
| known to occur, in the past.
|
| best wishes
|
| Jonathan Chetwynd
|
|
|
| On 30 May 2006, at 15:47, Doug Schepers wrote:
|
| Hi, Folks-
|
| We are pleased to announce the launch of an SVG Logo contest!
| Visit the
| official site for more details on the rules:
| http://www.svglogo.com
|
| Several companies who see the power of SVG have banded together to
| hold a
| contest for an SVG logo. This is intended to spread awareness of SVG,
| especially among designers and users. You will soon see the winning
| logo on
| Web pages that use SVG, browsers and viewers that support
| SVG, authoring
| tools that export SVG, and even packaging for SVG-enabled mobile
| devices.
|
| Obviously, the logo must be done in SVG. There are a bunch of great
| prizes,
| including an iPod Video, an SVG-enabled mobile phone, and SVG
| authoring and
| viewing software. So, get creative and get going!
|
| Feel free to spread the word around. We're very excited to see what
| comes in
| from the community!
|
| Regards-
| Doug



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[svg-developers] Re: Your document

2006-05-30 Thread nicolas . socheleau 
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[svg-developers] Re: escape characters in text

2006-05-30 Thread Samuel Dagan 
Hi Bart,
  I use < 90%
It should work in all cases. Cheers, Samy


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> Hi,
> 
> < 90%  produces a text "< 90%" in asv, where I 
> expected "< 90%".
> 
> How do I get a less-than symbol in a text node to display 
correctly ?  
> Is this a bug of asv ?
> 
> thanks
> Bart
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RE: [svg-developers] SVG Logo Contest!

2006-05-30 Thread Doug Schepers 
Hi, Jonathan-

Thanks for your helpful suggestions. I clarified the rules a bit on the
site.

I don't think we're going to set up a gallery just yet, for 2 reasons.

1) We want the entries to be original, so we don't want people to derive
their logos from ones already submitted. That wouldn't be fair to the early
entrants.

2) The contest is being judged by the sponsors, not by the public, in order
to make sure that it goes smoothly and fairly. It would be too hard to set
up a secure voting mechanism that could not be abused by human or robot
multivotes.

Regards-
Doug
 

Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
| 
| Doug,
| 
| that's a great initiative, however do you need a gallery link?  
| perhaps an entrants vote?
| http://open.bbc.co.uk/reboot/gallery/ gives a great feel for 
| what the  
| BBC managed to generate for similar prizes.
| all entries were moderated before being published.
| 
| also you state when the competition ends, but not when the final  
| decision will be made, this is vitally important, as drift has been  
| known to occur, in the past.
| 
| best wishes
| 
| Jonathan Chetwynd
| 
| 
| 
| On 30 May 2006, at 15:47, Doug Schepers wrote:
| 
| Hi, Folks-
| 
| We are pleased to announce the launch of an SVG Logo contest! 
| Visit the
| official site for more details on the rules:
| http://www.svglogo.com
| 
| Several companies who see the power of SVG have banded together to  
| hold a
| contest for an SVG logo. This is intended to spread awareness of SVG,
| especially among designers and users. You will soon see the winning  
| logo on
| Web pages that use SVG, browsers and viewers that support 
| SVG, authoring
| tools that export SVG, and even packaging for SVG-enabled mobile  
| devices.
| 
| Obviously, the logo must be done in SVG. There are a bunch of great  
| prizes,
| including an iPod Video, an SVG-enabled mobile phone, and SVG  
| authoring and
| viewing software. So, get creative and get going!
| 
| Feel free to spread the word around. We're very excited to see what  
| comes in
| from the community!
| 
| Regards-
| Doug



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[svg-developers] Re: escape characters in text

2006-05-30 Thread Martin Honnen 
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "bstuycke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> < 90%  produces a text "< 90%" in asv, where I 
> expected "< 90%".
> 
> How do I get a less-than symbol in a text node to display correctly ?  
> Is this a bug of asv ?


No problems here with Adobe SVG viewer 3 and


Can you post a URL where the problem happens? With static markup you
have to escape '<' as '<'. If you use script to create a text node
then the text data contains '<' as plain text.







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Re: [svg-developers] SVG Logo Contest!

2006-05-30 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd 
Doug,

that's a great initiative, however do you need a gallery link?  
perhaps an entrants vote?
http://open.bbc.co.uk/reboot/gallery/ gives a great feel for what the  
BBC managed to generate for similar prizes.
all entries were moderated before being published.

also you state when the competition ends, but not when the final  
decision will be made, this is vitally important, as drift has been  
known to occur, in the past.

best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 30 May 2006, at 15:47, Doug Schepers wrote:

Hi, Folks-

We are pleased to announce the launch of an SVG Logo contest! Visit the
official site for more details on the rules:
http://www.svglogo.com

Several companies who see the power of SVG have banded together to  
hold a
contest for an SVG logo. This is intended to spread awareness of SVG,
especially among designers and users. You will soon see the winning  
logo on
Web pages that use SVG, browsers and viewers that support SVG, authoring
tools that export SVG, and even packaging for SVG-enabled mobile  
devices.

Obviously, the logo must be done in SVG. There are a bunch of great  
prizes,
including an iPod Video, an SVG-enabled mobile phone, and SVG  
authoring and
viewing software. So, get creative and get going!

Feel free to spread the word around. We're very excited to see what  
comes in
from the community!

Regards-
Doug



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[svg-developers] SVG Logo Contest!

2006-05-30 Thread Doug Schepers 
Hi, Folks-

We are pleased to announce the launch of an SVG Logo contest! Visit the
official site for more details on the rules:
 http://www.svglogo.com

Several companies who see the power of SVG have banded together to hold a
contest for an SVG logo. This is intended to spread awareness of SVG,
especially among designers and users. You will soon see the winning logo on
Web pages that use SVG, browsers and viewers that support SVG, authoring
tools that export SVG, and even packaging for SVG-enabled mobile devices. 

Obviously, the logo must be done in SVG. There are a bunch of great prizes,
including an iPod Video, an SVG-enabled mobile phone, and SVG authoring and
viewing software. So, get creative and get going!

Feel free to spread the word around. We're very excited to see what comes in
from the community!

Regards-
Doug



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[svg-developers] Xp service pack 2 + IE 6 problem

2006-05-30 Thread jerome . olivier 






Hello,

I have a map built in SVG.
On each country, I build also a context menu (right clic)
Each item of this menu is linked to a javascript function (included in the
SVG code).
The function open an ASP file, which file is used to open a .doc on the
server :
  window.top.frames.item('ExecScript').document.location.href =
'toto.asp'

All is OK and work perfectly before I get Xp service pack 2 + IE 6

Since then, when doing the  window.top.frames.item('... code, the following
error appears (this is a traduction from the french) :

  Microsoft JScript Execution Error
  Permission denied
  line: 446, column : 0

the real message in french :
(Embedded image moved to file: pic21763.jpg)


Do anybody have any information on this?

Thanks,

Jérôme

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[svg-developers] question: svg2gml and gml2svg

2006-05-30 Thread Markus Steinebach 
Hello svg developers

 

I have a problem, maybe you can give me a tip.

 

I have spatial data in an Oracle10g database. This spatial data should be
convert in svg format for webmapping.

The oracle database cannot write svg directly. So I have to look for an
other way. The database may export the data 

in the GML-format (gml is a XML-format as well as SVG, but is’s not the
same.) But how can I convert the GML into SVG?

 

How can I use the gml2svg way?

 

Or do you know a better?

 

thanks

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Re: [svg-developers] DYNAMIC SVG

2006-05-30 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd 
perhaps you are planning to miss out on the benefits of flash and SVG  
in relying on text so heavily.

How about considering the relationships between images or symbols as  
a method for searching?

regards


Jonathan Chetwynd



On 29 May 2006, at 12:51, A.M.Shourbagui wrote:

Hi guys long time ...
Has anyone checked www.kartoo.com
It is flash based would anyone tell me if that is
doable in SVG and the mechanism to realize it ...
thnx as always

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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Omission in the SVG specification ?

2006-05-30 Thread thomas . deweese 
Hi Johan,

svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote on 05/29/2006 05:43:31 PM:

> Without drastically reducing the functionality I need to be able to give 
the 
> end user of the library his/her choice of TTF fonts. At the moment the 
> library generates raster images encoded as either jpeg, gif or png with 
user 
> selectable TTF fonts.

   Using Batik you can convert any TTF font into an SVG Font (with 
subsetting)
the SVG Font's metrics should match the original TTF font's metrics.  So
you might consider constructing your SVG file to reference an SVG Font.
If you are really using Java, Batik is 100% pure java so including it in 
your
app should be fairly simple.

   If you don't have access to the TTF on the server then you must do the
layout on the client in ECMAScript...

> The only guaranteed solution seems to be to add some automatically 
generated 
> DOM script that will "backpatch" (possible every coordinate in the 
scene) 
> depending on the actual strings and fonts the user have selected. I will 
have 
> to do some experimental coding to even validate that this is in fact 
possible 
> at all.

   This is certainly possible, it will likely mean 'duplication' of code 
between
your SVG ECMAScript and your current C++/Java layout engine.

> It might just turn out that I have to resort to add a PS backend which 
will 
> definitely not be easier but PS has the "stringwidth" operator which 
makes 
> life for me easier.

   From what I recall of PostScript there isn't much difference between
stringwidth (PS) and .getBBox().getWidth() (SVG).  So I'm 
not 
sure how PS would be any easier.

   Anyway good luck!

> 
> /Johan
> 
> On Monday 29 May 2006 17:32, Alastair Fettes wrote:
> >  Hi Johan,
> >
> >  First question for you is what library are you using to generate the
> >  SVG?  Are you using a purpose built SVG library such as Batik or a
> >  generic XML library such as MSXML?  If the former, then you will need
> >  to read the literature on Batik.  If the latter then read on.
> >
> >  I use statically generated SVG wilthout using a fit-for-use SVG DOM.
> >  I do not require exact measurements of the text but I do generate a
> >  bounding box around them (that is close).  I simly estimated a good
> >  width-to-height ratio for my text and get the width based on the text
> >  height x text string length.  This of course is not very close to an
> >  exact science however its an engineering decision as this bounding 
box
> >  is not a strict necessity.
> >
> >  Now, there's a much more exact option available to you that will
> >  require more computational power.  This is done using SVG Fonts
> >  ().  Basically you get your SVG
> >  fonts file and for each character, you select the SVG Fonts file for
> >  the font/style in question, use an xpath to select the XML element 
for
> >  the given character, then you can retrieve the necessary font
> >  information directly from that element. 
> >
> >  Of course this way has a number of drawbacks.  You will only have 
font
> >  support for the SVG Font files you have.  Its also going to be
> >  computationally intensive depending on how many characters are found
> >  in your document.  I personally have used this in the past in an XSLT
> >  library and it was very accurate.  This library was for Math Formula
> >  layout for print.  The device of a much smarter man than myself but
> >  amazingly useful for statically rendered SVG.
> >
> >  If you have any questions on this feel free to give me a shout.
> >
> >  Cheers,
> >  Alastair
> >
> >  --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Johan Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >  > Hi,
> >  >
> >  > Well, I do understand that not everyones taste can be catered for 
in a
> >  > specification and I do realize that you can ask for the bbox in a
> >
> >  DOM script
> >
> >  > (in the viewers that support this). But for basic entities like
> >
> >  text, which I
> >
> >  > think most people can agree on is needed most of the time even in
> >
> >  images this
> >
> >  > omission makes life so much more difficult.
> >  >
> >  > For complex graphs with multiple texts this omission of bbox as a
> >
> >  declarative
> >
> >  > entity would force the backend to generate some "self-modifying" 
script.
> >  >
> >  > Basically with the kind of layout needs that I have it could easily
> >
> >  require
> >
> >  > every coordinate in the scene to be dependent on one or more bbox
> >
> >  for various
> >
> >  > text strings in order to properly line things up.
> >  >
> >  > What I need to do apparently is to spend a few days and see how a
> >
> >  typical
> >
> >  > scene can be modified with some additional DOM scripting that will
> >
> >  have to
> >
> >  > modify potentially every other coordinate in the scene depending on
> >
> >  the actual
> >
> >  > text strings.
> >  >
> >  > Since I'm not that used to SVG (yet) my initial impression is that
> >
> >  this will
> >
> >  > get quite messy but I

[svg-developers] escape characters in text

2006-05-30 Thread bstuycke 
Hi,

< 90%  produces a text "< 90%" in asv, where I 
expected "< 90%".

How do I get a less-than symbol in a text node to display correctly ?  
Is this a bug of asv ?

thanks
Bart






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[svg-developers] Re: DYNAMIC SVG

2006-05-30 Thread Andreas Neumann 
I think that it would be as responsive and smooth as the flash in kartoo since 
the graphics 
displayed in kartoo is very small and simple. Network requests through 
XMLHttpRequest or 
getURL are just as fast as the network requests in flash.

Flash is generally faster in rendering than SVG, given that the flash plugin is 
more mature 
than most SVG renderers, but for that kind of purpose SVG would work very well.

As to estimating development time: this is hard to estimate if one doesn't have 
any concrete 
specification. If you build on existing work for SVG widgets it shouldn't be so 
complex. But I 
can't give you details here unless I know more about the functionality.

Andreas

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> Thanks for that but would it be that responsive and
> fast ...
> and smooth...also how would you estimate the
> developing time if i get a a tailored search engine.
> kojo






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[svg-developers] Re: Omission in the SVG specification ?

2006-05-30 Thread Andreas Neumann 
Hi,

if you use a SVG toolkit like Batik you can use "onload" scripts and use the 
DOM to adjust 
the boxes according to the bounding boxes of the text. the batik-rasterizer can 
output 
jpeg, png, tiff and pdf.

I use this succesfully for generating maps where I use a ECMAScript based label 
placement 
algorithm.

Andreas

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Johan Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tips.
> 
> This is basically the workaround I have but unfortunately it's simply not 
> good 
> enough. The library I was contemplating an SVG backend for is JpGraph which 
> is a PHP (an unholy mix of C/C++ and Java) server side graph generating 
> library that I written. It has quite a lot of advanced text formatting (like 
> tables, columns etc) which adjusts itself to the user selected TTF font and 
> the actual text strings.
> 
> Without drastically reducing the functionality I need to be able to give the 
> end user of the library his/her choice of TTF fonts. At the moment the 
> library generates raster images encoded as either jpeg, gif or png with user 
> selectable TTF fonts.
> 
> The only approximate solution I can think of is to build in some heuristics 
> that given a certain text string and font I try to guesstimate the bounding 
> box. With the way the libary works now the end user never has to think about 
> adjusting things like margins, column widths, etc. it's all taken care of 
> automagically and I like to keep it that way. But of course, this requires 
> the library to be able to calculate bbox:es.
> 
> The "perfectionist" in me has a problem with this approach since it can never 
> be guaranteed to work 100% and will either have to much "safety margin" or 
> things will start overwrite each other. More problematic is the fact that the 
> raster image and the SVG image will possible have quite different 
> proportions.
> 
> The library will generate SVG output directly without the use of any external 
> library (just some utility SVG classes to keep track of things like grouping, 
> viewboxes etc.)
> 
> The only guaranteed solution seems to be to add some automatically generated 
> DOM script that will "backpatch" (possible every coordinate in the scene) 
> depending on the actual strings and fonts the user have selected. I will have 
> to do some experimental coding to even validate that this is in fact possible 
> at all.
> 
> It might just turn out that I have to resort to add a PS backend which will 
> definitely not be easier but PS has the "stringwidth" operator which makes 
> life for me easier.
> 






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