Re: [svg-developers] Rendering of Indic script

[Charles McCathieNevile]

On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:57:38 +0530, ck_liji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There are some issues regarding the rendering of svg document in
> Malayalam

which SVG viewer are you testing this in? Do you have a demo URI that we  
can use to check and test?

cheers

Chaals


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Re: [svg-developers] Speaker Selector works in (IE,FF,Opera)

[Charles McCathieNevile]

On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:30:39 +0530, tcpcoder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> It finally seems to work in IE.
>
> http://kirksaeter.com/SpeakerSelector/SpeakerSelector.html
> http://kirksaeter.com/SpeakerSelector/Assets/Images/SpeakerSelector.svg
>
> The last adventure had to do with the NodeList returned from
> getElementsByTagName() in IE. I typically use NodeList[x]
> to get at objects in that list , but in IE you need to use
> NodeList.item(x)
>
> None the less it appears to work now and I'd like a few folks her to
> verify that it does work properly.

Hi Doc,

nice work. Testing in Opera 9.02 (and an internal build of Opera 10) the  
only issue I found is the hovering over the right-hand speakers makes the  
popup menus appear pushed almost off the left of the screen.

cheers

Chaals

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[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[brucerindahl]

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "tony_ser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry about the Opera version, the browse told me I was using the
> latest. Until I check the opera site
> 
> Anyway, appreciate if you guys could tell me what is wrong with the
> following svg.
> 
> http://www.sfu.ca/~jkk/svg/Untitled.svg
> 
> It is generated so may contain more attributes than necessary. Also
> heavily on viewBox. I need to keep those viewBox coordinates since
> there will be javascript modifying the attributes in generic way.
> 
> Compare with ASV.
> Firefox:
> The "OFF" text is tiny.
> The inner image does not align with the bigger image.
> 
> Opera:
> The inner image does not align with the bigger image.
> The text is missing.
> The whole red pump is missing.
> 
> This is only a simplified sample.
> 
> Thanks!
> Tony
> 
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "brucerindahl"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "pilatfr"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "tony_ser"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, you just show me examples to highlight the xbrowser SVG 
> > > > incompatibility.
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/ does not work on Opera 9.8031
> > > > http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/ take forever to load
(Sean 
> > > > also mention that)
> > > 
> > > These two links run perfectly in Opera 9.10 Révision 8649 !
> > > And with same rapidity as with IE7 + Adobe plugin ... 
> > > 
> > > Michel
> > > 
> > > PS IE6 + Adobe plugin remain best for rapidity ...
> > 
> > and the speed is about the same in Minefield (FF 3 alpha).
> > 
> > Bruce
> >
>

Tony
Please start a new tread with this.  A quick spot check shows a few
things.
I don't know what font-weight:400 means.  Try font-weight:bold or
something similar.  On the same line change font-size:320 to
font-size:320pt.  See:
http://jwatt.org/svg/authoring/
for a great reference on working with Mozilla and why they did what
they did.
Finally search for "translate(--" in the file.  Mozilla doesn't like
this at all - change to the obvious "translate(-".
This will get most of your file rendering in three browsers but still
still with some problems.
The other issues need to be discussed on another thread.  The may be
bugs - they may your code.  At this point you will get a lot of help
from people with far more talent than me.  Trust me on this.
Please try to get this working on the three browsers.  It is much
easier after the first one - I have been there.
Bruce Rindahl



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[svg-developers] Speaker Selector works in (IE,FF,Opera)

[tcpcoder]

It finally seems to work in IE.

http://kirksaeter.com/SpeakerSelector/SpeakerSelector.html
http://kirksaeter.com/SpeakerSelector/Assets/Images/SpeakerSelector.svg

The last adventure had to do with the NodeList returned from
getElementsByTagName() in IE. I typically use NodeList[x]
to get at objects in that list , but in IE you need to use 
NodeList.item(x)

None the less it appears to work now and I'd like a few folks her to 
verify that it does work properly.

Doc



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[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[tony_ser]

Sorry about the Opera version, the browse told me I was using the
latest. Until I check the opera site

Anyway, appreciate if you guys could tell me what is wrong with the
following svg.

http://www.sfu.ca/~jkk/svg/Untitled.svg

It is generated so may contain more attributes than necessary. Also
heavily on viewBox. I need to keep those viewBox coordinates since
there will be javascript modifying the attributes in generic way.

Compare with ASV.
Firefox:
The "OFF" text is tiny.
The inner image does not align with the bigger image.

Opera:
The inner image does not align with the bigger image.
The text is missing.
The whole red pump is missing.

This is only a simplified sample.

Thanks!
Tony

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "brucerindahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "pilatfr"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "tony_ser"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, you just show me examples to highlight the xbrowser SVG 
> > > incompatibility.
> > > 
> > > http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/ does not work on Opera 9.8031
> > > http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/ take forever to load (Sean 
> > > also mention that)
> > 
> > These two links run perfectly in Opera 9.10 Révision 8649 !
> > And with same rapidity as with IE7 + Adobe plugin ... 
> > 
> > Michel
> > 
> > PS IE6 + Adobe plugin remain best for rapidity ...
> 
> and the speed is about the same in Minefield (FF 3 alpha).
> 
> Bruce
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[Guy Morton]

How hard would it be to package this as an "SVG plugin"? ie package  
it in a windows installer a user could download and run and which  
would install itself and behave as the ASV plugin does today?

Guy

On 07/12/2006, at 3:53 AM, T Rowley wrote:

> On 12/6/06 10:36 AM, Jeff Schiller wrote:
>> I think I've asked before, but couldn't find my post when searching:
>> What would be the challenge in taking the Mozilla codebase and  
>> turning
>> that into an ActiveX control for IE that handles XHTML and SVG
>> content?  IE6 and 7 both don't support either MIME types, so this
>> would allow XHTML with SVG inline as well as SVG linked by reference
>> (HTML:object).  Get that deployed far enough and you could actually
>> see XHTML and SVG start to make inroads into the web.  Granted, it's
>> still a plugin, but at least it couldn't be killed by a corporation's
>> whim.
>
> Mozilla as an ActiveX control already exists:
>
>http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/control.htm
>
> You'd still be stuck with the click-to-active behavior of plugins  
> in IE.
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[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[Jeff Schiller]

Hi Jon,

Yes, an IE plugin is the 6th option.  Not to be pedantic, but I did 
say "The other options outside of an IE plugin are" ;)  

The "IE plugin" option covers a lot of other possible solutions in 
and of itself.  Emiasys' Renesis is one of those, but I'm afraid they 
are not moving fast enough to capture market share before ASV dies 
out.  Right now they are doing a rewrite to restructure their code 
for performance improvements...  I would rather see them fully 
implement a scriptable SVG profile first...

That's why I'm thinking of other open-source solutions (i.e. Mozilla, 
WebKit, KHTML) that already include scripting, DOM support, etc (even 
if other very important features are not there, such as declarative 
animation).

Regards,
Jeff

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> Good summary of the options. There is one more option - there is 
always the
> faint hope that someone will provide an SVG plugin to replace ASV. 
(Maybe
> you are thinking about doing something in this direction with 
Mozilla.)
> 
> In terms of Dojo2D, my understanding aligns with yours in that it 
does not
> yet support "declarative SVG" (i.e., SVG markup) and instead 
requires
> building an SVG model in JavaScript via their API calls.
> 
> In looking at the dojo 0.4 source code, Dojo2D as it stands today 
involves
> two performance intensive-transformations. First, if you start with 
SVG
> markup, you will have to parse that markup in order to build the 
Dojo2D
> data structures via their API calls. Second, the Dojo2D data 
structures
> will need to be transformed into either SVG or VML within the 
browser so
> that the graphics will render. There needs to be some accelerated 
code
> paths for Dojo2D to be viable for complicated graphics, such as 
mapping.
> For example, on Firefox, why not pass through the SVG markup 
directly to
> the browser without building the Dojo2D data structures, and for 
IE, why
> not use client-side XSLT to transform SVG markup into VML? Another
> performance enhancement would be for Dojo to provide a utility which
> converts SVG markup into their Dojo2D data structures by invoking 
their
> built-in XML parser (which will build a private DOM image within
> JavaScript) and then converting this into their private Dojo2D data
> structures. All of this is easier said than done. I don't know what 
Dojo's
> plans are for these enhancements. Of course, it is an open source 
projects,
> so anyone can contribute if they are motivated and have the time.
> 
> Jon
> 
> Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Web Architect, Emerging Technologies
> IBM, Menlo Park, CA
> Mobile: +1-650-926-5865
> 
> 
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> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, T Rowley  wrote:
> > Mozilla as an ActiveX control already exists:
> >
> >http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/control.htm
> >
> > You'd still be stuck with the click-to-active behavior of plugins 
in IE.
> 
> The other options outside of an IE plugin are:
> 1) wait until IE natively implements SVG (and XHTML while we're at 
it)
> 2) wait until another browser becomes the dominant UA in web 
browsing
> 3) wait until WPF/E becomes widely deployed in IE, write a library 
to
> go from SVG to XAML (note: does this also mean the WPF/E is under 
the
> same click-to-activate behavior in IE6?)
> 4) update DENG to support full SVG (including scripting)
> 5) use Dojo2D or another Ajaxy toolkit that supports SVG.  To my
> knowledge, Dojo2D doesn't yet support transforming declarative SVG
> into VML, it's all done proce

[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[brucerindahl]

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "pilatfr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "tony_ser"  wrote:
> >
> > Well, you just show me examples to highlight the xbrowser SVG 
> > incompatibility.
> > 
> > http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/ does not work on Opera 9.8031
> > http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/ take forever to load (Sean 
> > also mention that)
> 
> These two links run perfectly in Opera 9.10 Révision 8649 !
> And with same rapidity as with IE7 + Adobe plugin ... 
> 
> Michel
> 
> PS IE6 + Adobe plugin remain best for rapidity ...

and the speed is about the same in Minefield (FF 3 alpha).

Bruce



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[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[pilatfr]

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "tony_ser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, you just show me examples to highlight the xbrowser SVG 
> incompatibility.
> 
> http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/ does not work on Opera 9.8031
> http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/ take forever to load (Sean 
> also mention that)

These two links run perfectly in Opera 9.10 Révision 8649 !
And with same rapidity as with IE7 + Adobe plugin ... 

Michel

PS IE6 + Adobe plugin remain best for rapidity ...


> 2 out of 3 don't work xbrowser. And the 3rd is a widgetlibrary not 
a 
> real application.
> 
> The browsers are still rendering them differently or have problem 
> with it. Both the SVG content and browsers will get better but the 
> applications that you point out are not usable in firefor or Opera 
at 
> this moment. That is my point.
> 
> 
> >why is Adobe so important to SVG? IE is the only browser with no
> >native SVG support.
> I think you answered your question. Adobe is important because IE 
is 
> the browser with no native SVG support. I am not cheering for IE on 
> lack of SVG support but the reality is IE still used by the 
majority 
> and if we need to develop an applcation right now, we need a 
capable 
> plugin.
> 
> >They have to support it soon if they don't want
> >to loose more market share. Native SVG support in browsers is much
> >better than a plugin anyway. With a plugin you are in this box and
> >the Eolas case showed us what can happen to plugins ... lots of
> >annoying stuff ...
> I am not arguing that plugin is better. I am just stating the fact 
> that we don't have it in IE at this point. Again, I am not cheering 
> for it.
> 
> Doc wrote:
> "I think your just sitting too close to the screen, and need to 
pull 
> back some to see the larger picture of why Adobe having acquired 
the 
> Flash player would want to shift the SVG effort into that product 
and 
> discontinue the ASV"
> 
> I can see this being your wish (and our wishes as well), but please 
> don't treat it like a fact. It may still happen but there is no 
sign 
> of it happening. You may want to sit a bit closer to reality.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Neumann" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I already create SVG applications, and while
> > > the various implementations are still short of being fully
> > > compliant with the w3.org standards, the overlap of what is 
> already
> > > implemented has me already making money developing
> > > xbrowser SVG.
> > 
> > I can say the same about my applications. Most of it runs fine 
> > accross Opera 9, Firefox >1.5 and ASV, with Safari/Webkit soon to 
> > join the club.
> > 
> > Here are some more complex examples that work across browsers:
> > 
> > http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/
> > http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/
> > all of http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/gui/
> > 
> > Yes, there are some open issues, but none of them are too serious 
> and 
> > not resolvable. If you take the time and report bugs or complain 
> > about missing features, I am sure that Opera and Firefox will 
react 
> > in a timely manner.
> > 
> > Andreas
> >
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[Jon Ferraiolo]

Hi Jeff,
Good summary of the options. There is one more option - there is always the
faint hope that someone will provide an SVG plugin to replace ASV. (Maybe
you are thinking about doing something in this direction with Mozilla.)

In terms of Dojo2D, my understanding aligns with yours in that it does not
yet support "declarative SVG" (i.e., SVG markup) and instead requires
building an SVG model in JavaScript via their API calls.

In looking at the dojo 0.4 source code, Dojo2D as it stands today involves
two performance intensive-transformations. First, if you start with SVG
markup, you will have to parse that markup in order to build the Dojo2D
data structures via their API calls. Second, the Dojo2D data structures
will need to be transformed into either SVG or VML within the browser so
that the graphics will render. There needs to be some accelerated code
paths for Dojo2D to be viable for complicated graphics, such as mapping.
For example, on Firefox, why not pass through the SVG markup directly to
the browser without building the Dojo2D data structures, and for IE, why
not use client-side XSLT to transform SVG markup into VML? Another
performance enhancement would be for Dojo to provide a utility which
converts SVG markup into their Dojo2D data structures by invoking their
built-in XML parser (which will build a private DOM image within
JavaScript) and then converting this into their private Dojo2D data
structures. All of this is easier said than done. I don't know what Dojo's
plans are for these enhancements. Of course, it is an open source projects,
so anyone can contribute if they are motivated and have the time.

Jon

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--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, T Rowley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mozilla as an ActiveX control already exists:
>
>http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/control.htm
>
> You'd still be stuck with the click-to-active behavior of plugins in IE.

The other options outside of an IE plugin are:
1) wait until IE natively implements SVG (and XHTML while we're at it)
2) wait until another browser becomes the dominant UA in web browsing
3) wait until WPF/E becomes widely deployed in IE, write a library to
go from SVG to XAML (note: does this also mean the WPF/E is under the
same click-to-activate behavior in IE6?)
4) update DENG to support full SVG (including scripting)
5) use Dojo2D or another Ajaxy toolkit that supports SVG.  To my
knowledge, Dojo2D doesn't yet support transforming declarative SVG
into VML, it's all done procedurally via scripting, if I'm not
mistaken, which means it's potentially slow, though I haven't tried it)

Anyway, looks like the Mozilla option is "almost there" (from an
armchair perspective).  But the control/project hasn't been updated in
almost a year, I've emailed Adam to ask if he's still active on it.
I'd also ask where's the Moz 1.8.1 version of the control, but a Moz
1.8.0 version of the plugin would still be worthwhile.

Next, how does one go about configuring an ActiveX control to handle
specific MIME types as a plugin in IE?



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[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[tony_ser]

Well, you just show me examples to highlight the xbrowser SVG 
incompatibility.

http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/ does not work on Opera 9.8031
http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/ take forever to load (Sean 
also mention that)

2 out of 3 don't work xbrowser. And the 3rd is a widgetlibrary not a 
real application.

The browsers are still rendering them differently or have problem 
with it. Both the SVG content and browsers will get better but the 
applications that you point out are not usable in firefor or Opera at 
this moment. That is my point.


>why is Adobe so important to SVG? IE is the only browser with no
>native SVG support.
I think you answered your question. Adobe is important because IE is 
the browser with no native SVG support. I am not cheering for IE on 
lack of SVG support but the reality is IE still used by the majority 
and if we need to develop an applcation right now, we need a capable 
plugin.

>They have to support it soon if they don't want
>to loose more market share. Native SVG support in browsers is much
>better than a plugin anyway. With a plugin you are in this box and
>the Eolas case showed us what can happen to plugins ... lots of
>annoying stuff ...
I am not arguing that plugin is better. I am just stating the fact 
that we don't have it in IE at this point. Again, I am not cheering 
for it.

Doc wrote:
"I think your just sitting too close to the screen, and need to pull 
back some to see the larger picture of why Adobe having acquired the 
Flash player would want to shift the SVG effort into that product and 
discontinue the ASV"

I can see this being your wish (and our wishes as well), but please 
don't treat it like a fact. It may still happen but there is no sign 
of it happening. You may want to sit a bit closer to reality.



--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Neumann" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Well, I already create SVG applications, and while
> > the various implementations are still short of being fully
> > compliant with the w3.org standards, the overlap of what is 
already
> > implemented has me already making money developing
> > xbrowser SVG.
> 
> I can say the same about my applications. Most of it runs fine 
> accross Opera 9, Firefox >1.5 and ASV, with Safari/Webkit soon to 
> join the club.
> 
> Here are some more complex examples that work across browsers:
> 
> http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/
> http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/
> all of http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/gui/
> 
> Yes, there are some open issues, but none of them are too serious 
and 
> not resolvable. If you take the time and report bugs or complain 
> about missing features, I am sure that Opera and Firefox will react 
> in a timely manner.
> 
> Andreas
>




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[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[Jeff Schiller]

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, T Rowley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mozilla as an ActiveX control already exists:
> 
>http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/control.htm
> 
> You'd still be stuck with the click-to-active behavior of plugins in IE.

The other options outside of an IE plugin are:
1) wait until IE natively implements SVG (and XHTML while we're at it)
2) wait until another browser becomes the dominant UA in web browsing
3) wait until WPF/E becomes widely deployed in IE, write a library to
go from SVG to XAML (note: does this also mean the WPF/E is under the
same click-to-activate behavior in IE6?)
4) update DENG to support full SVG (including scripting)
5) use Dojo2D or another Ajaxy toolkit that supports SVG.  To my
knowledge, Dojo2D doesn't yet support transforming declarative SVG
into VML, it's all done procedurally via scripting, if I'm not
mistaken, which means it's potentially slow, though I haven't tried it)

Anyway, looks like the Mozilla option is "almost there" (from an
armchair perspective).  But the control/project hasn't been updated in
almost a year, I've emailed Adam to ask if he's still active on it. 
I'd also ask where's the Moz 1.8.1 version of the control, but a Moz
1.8.0 version of the plugin would still be worthwhile.

Next, how does one go about configuring an ActiveX control to handle
specific MIME types as a plugin in IE?



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Re: [svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[T Rowley]

On 12/6/06 10:36 AM, Jeff Schiller wrote:
> I think I've asked before, but couldn't find my post when searching: 
> What would be the challenge in taking the Mozilla codebase and turning
> that into an ActiveX control for IE that handles XHTML and SVG
> content?  IE6 and 7 both don't support either MIME types, so this
> would allow XHTML with SVG inline as well as SVG linked by reference
> (HTML:object).  Get that deployed far enough and you could actually
> see XHTML and SVG start to make inroads into the web.  Granted, it's
> still a plugin, but at least it couldn't be killed by a corporation's
> whim.

Mozilla as an ActiveX control already exists:

   http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/control.htm

You'd still be stuck with the click-to-active behavior of plugins in IE.

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[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[Jeff Schiller]

> > But you do know it has been possible, for quite some time, to render
> > core SVG instructions on the majority of desktops today, right?
> > http://deng.com.br/features/
> >
> > If you wish to improve the rendering instructions, then you can do
so...
> > it's an opensource SWF which contains the SVG code:
> > http://deng.com.br/support/

Unfortunately, as already mentioned the DENG project is still in its
infancy.  Static SVG content is one thing, but where SVG's power is in
interaction with the DOM and its scriptability.  

I think I've asked before, but couldn't find my post when searching: 
What would be the challenge in taking the Mozilla codebase and turning
that into an ActiveX control for IE that handles XHTML and SVG
content?  IE6 and 7 both don't support either MIME types, so this
would allow XHTML with SVG inline as well as SVG linked by reference
(HTML:object).  Get that deployed far enough and you could actually
see XHTML and SVG start to make inroads into the web.  Granted, it's
still a plugin, but at least it couldn't be killed by a corporation's
whim.

Of course, I'm sure I'm just being naive and this is not an easy task.



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Re: [svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download

[TheMountainScene]

Hi Andreas,

It is true, the Yosemite map does work in FF, but not really. Unless I'm 
missing something, it is laboriously slow. Same problem I've been 
having. I submitted it as a bug well over a year ago, but nothing. The 
response I got was to keep it under 300k. If I'm limited to 300k, I'm 
not interested. Either way, I'm disappointed. I thought for sure Mozilla 
would have addressed this by now. If my maps would work as fast in 
Mozilla as they do IE, I'd be content. But as it stands now, it ain't 
happening, and I'm loosing faith that SVG will be viable for what I want 
to use it for once the Adobe viewer is thrown to dust bin.

Sean

Andreas Neumann wrote:
>
> > Well, I already create SVG applications, and while
> > the various implementations are still short of being fully
> > compliant with the w3.org standards, the overlap of what is already
> > implemented has me already making money developing
> > xbrowser SVG.
>
> I can say the same about my applications. Most of it runs fine
> accross Opera 9, Firefox >1.5 and ASV, with Safari/Webkit soon to
> join the club.
>
> Here are some more complex examples that work across browsers:
>
> http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/ 
> http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/ 
> 
> all of http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/gui/ 
> 
>
> Yes, there are some open issues, but none of them are too serious and
> not resolvable. If you take the time and report bugs or complain
> about missing features, I am sure that Opera and Firefox will react
> in a timely manner.
>
> Andreas
>
>  


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