[svg-developers] external entities

2012-11-18 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I've tried without success to get external entities to work. For example, let's 
say I want to define "blue" in a shared file as #00247D and then, in multiple, 
separate SVG files, reference the shared definition (as "&blue;").

I get that the SVG document that references the color would pull in the 
definition with something like the following in its DOCTYPE:



And "blue" would be defined in file colors.xml, but I haven't been able to 
figure out how to define "blue" in file colors.xml. Suggestions would be most 
appreciated!

Ideally, I wouldn't need separate  references in each SVG for each 
color, but could simply refer (somehow) to colors.xml and pull in all entity 
definitions in colors.xml.

—Ken Nellis



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[svg-developers] Re: Trying to animate two lines moving each other

2012-01-01 Thread Kenneth Nellis
You didn't close your two  tags resulting in parse errors.
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[svg-developers] problems referring to externally-defined object

2011-12-11 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I've been using  for some time with no problems, 
referencing an item (id="bar") defined in my local file's  section. 
Tonight I tried to reference an item defined in an external document: . What I found is that Firefox and Opera rendered 
the object as intended, but Safari and Chrome just ignored the item. So, I 
wonder if there's something extra that I need to do to appease Safari and 
Chrome, or if these browsers just don't support that feature.
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[svg-developers] browser stretching SVG IMG

2011-11-20 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I was surprised to see such disparate browser behavior in rendering an external 
SVG image within an HTML web page using the IMG tag, Despite the image 
specifying preservation of aspect ratio, on the Macintosh (Snow Leopard) 
platform, Safari and Chrome stretch the image according to the size of the 
browser page! (WTF?) Firefox and Opera don't stretch it at all, which certainly 
is correct behavior. (Camino doesn't render it at all.) Clearly, advice is not 
to use IMG for SVG as all browsers tested support IFRAME, OBJECT, and EMBED 
just fine.

This page demonstrates the issue: 
http://homepage.mac.com/nellisks/verizon/svg/include_svg.html

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[svg-developers] anti-aliasing fill

2010-12-28 Thread Kenneth Nellis
In SVG renderings, where, for example, two non-rotated rectangles of  
solid but different colors abut, I see a single line of pixels at the  
border that I attribute, perhaps erroneously, to anti-aliasing. I  
wish to know what I can do to eliminate this artifact. I tried , but this had no effect in my two  
browsers (Mac/Safari 4.1.3 and Mac/Opera 10.63). Any ideas?
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[svg-developers] overflow="hidden"

2010-12-18 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I'd like to draw a diagonal line from corner to corner and not have  
the width of the line extend outside the viewBox boundaries at the  
two corners, however they do despite my attempt to thwart it with  
overflow="hidden". What am I doing wrong?
Here's an example that demonstrates the problem: http://tinyurl.com/ 
overflow-svg
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[svg-developers] Re: click coordinates not of object

2010-11-22 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I appreciate the responses I got to this issue. Thank you!
BTW, Erik, the SVG cartoon [1] on your personal blog page [2] doesn't  
render in Mac/Safari 4.1.3 or Mac/Firefox 3.6.12; instead the  
browsers diagnose XML parsing errors. I suspect either they don't  
recognize the compressed SVG format (.svgz) of the cartoon or maybe  
the type specification (image/svg+xml) should be different for .svgz  
files? FWIW.
—Ken Nellis
[1] http://files.myopera.com/MacDev_ed/files/ 
hittesting_public_domain.svgz
[2] http://my.opera.com/macdev_ed





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[svg-developers] click coordinates not of object

2010-11-19 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I have this SVG file* that displays a centered grid, dimensions  
10x10, that scales to the size of the web page. I've attached an  
"onclick" handler to the grid that displays the x,y coordinates of  
the click point. I want the coordinates to be of the grid's  
coordinate system, but I'm getting the coordinates of the web page.  
I'm hoping someone can advise how to fix this.
—Ken Nellis
*  http://homepage.mac.com/nellisks/yahoo/groups/svg-developers/ 
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[svg-developers] Re: Defining reference variables in SVG?

2009-01-17 Thread Kenneth Nellis

On Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:52 am (PST), "Frank Bruder" redu...@yahoo.de
redurbf wrote:

> Firefox 3.0.5 doesn't support SVG fonts anyway, but it also fails  
> to parse the document, complaining about an undefined entity.

It appears to me that entity h012 is, indeed, undefined.

—Ken Nellis

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[svg-developers] Re: print SVG from FF3 into PDF, opacity problems

2009-01-06 Thread Kenneth Nellis
The Macintosh version of Firefox 3.0.5 prints your example fine for  
me. —Ken Nellis

On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:17 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> print SVG from FF3 into PDF, opacity problems
> Posted by: "André M. Winter" carto@gmail.com   raxmapa
> Tue Jan 6, 2009 7:35 am (PST)
>
> hello,
>
> svg seems to print well out of firefox 3 (also fits to page  
> orientation ) but it totally igonores tranparencies.
>
> eg. here:
>
> 
>  opacity=".4"/>
>
> anyone observed this of knows more about this issue?
>
> thanks and greetings from Tyrol,
> andré



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Re: [svg-developers] Re: 3D Graphics in SVG

2009-01-03 Thread Kenneth Nellis
As I have asked the list moderator with no response, I wonder if  
someone can tell how to prevent getting the following e-mail response  
to each post I make. svg-in-daisy?
—Ken Nellis

On Jan 3, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Lyris ListManager wrote:

> Sorry, but Lyris ListManager did not find your email address
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[svg-developers] Re: 3D Graphics in SVG

2009-01-03 Thread Kenneth Nellis
Rakesh: Glad you asked! This is my current interest: using SVG to  
present 3D graphics. See the following page where I have both some  
stereo pairs and some anaglyphs (for which you need a pair of those  
red/cyan 3D glasses):

http://homepage.mac.com/nellisks/stereo_svg/

Not being aware of a tool to do these projections, I wrote my own (C+ 
+) command-line tool to do the projections and create the SVGs.

—Ken Nellis

On Jan 3, 2009, at 11:07 AM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> 3D Graphics in SVG
> Posted by: "Rakesh Agarwal" rak...@yahoo.com   raks35
> Sat Jan 3, 2009 2:10 am (PST)
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is it possible to represent 3D graphics in SVG ? Is there a tool to  
> convert some of the standard 3D graphics formats into SVG
>
> - Rakesh



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[svg-developers] Re:SMIL animateColor question

2009-01-01 Thread Kenneth Nellis
Thanx, Chaals, works great! I wasn't aware of the "values" attribute.
I need a more usable online reference.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-SVG11-20030114/eltindex.html
Happy new year!
—Ken

> Re: SMIL animateColor question
> Posted by: "Charles McCathieNevile" cha...@opera.com   charlesmccn
> Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:16 pm (PST)
>
> On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 12:53:41 +1100, Kenneth Nellis  
> 
> wrote:
>
> > I have a SMIL animation that I'm having trouble making do what I
> > want, if it is even possible. I've reduced the problem to the SVG at
> > the following URL where a square changes color from white to black
> > and back to white. I want it to keep changing back and forth.
> >
> > homepage.mac.com/nellisks/yahoo/groups/svg-developers/smil.svg
>
> You have two animations. The first one goes white to black over 5  
> seconds,
> and repeats. This means you get white...greying...black and then  
> jump back
> to white and start again.
>
> The second one only runs once, going from black to white.
>
> If, instead of from and to, you have values="white;black;white" in the
> first one (and drop the second) it should work. A simplified  
> version of
> your testcase with the changes:
>
> 
> http://www.w3.org/2000/svg";>
> 
>  values="white;black;white"
> begin="0s" dur="5s" repeatCount="indefinite" />
> 
> 
>
> (I tested it with the use and everything you originally had and it  
> also
> works).
>
> cheers
>
> Chaals
>
> -- 
> Charles McCathieNevile Opera Software, Standards Group
> je parle français -- hablo español -- jeg lærer norsk
> http://my.opera.com/chaals Try Opera: http://www.opera.com




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[svg-developers] SMIL animateColor question

2008-12-31 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I have a SMIL animation that I'm having trouble making do what I  
want, if it is even possible. I've reduced the problem to the SVG at  
the following URL where a square changes color from white to black  
and back to white. I want it to keep changing back and forth.

homepage.mac.com/nellisks/yahoo/groups/svg-developers/smil.svg

I would appreciate any insights anyone may have.

—Ken Nellis


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[svg-developers] Re:displaying svg on IE after 12-31-08

2008-12-30 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I believe that IE7 renders SVG. And, although Adobe is dropping  
support for ASV, I wonder if they will still offer it for download on  
their site. And, if not, if they will allow others to distribute it.
—Ken Nellis

> displaying svg on IE after 12-31-08
> Posted by: "Fuliopen" fulio...@yahoo.com   fuliopen
> Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:55 am (PST)
>
> Hello,
>
> Majority of visitors to my web site are still using the IE browser.  
> I ask them to download the ASV to their computers. I like to know  
> that after 2008, is the ASV still available for downloading? If  
> not, what other technologies I can switch to? Thanks for  
> information in this regard.
>
> fulio pen


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[svg-developers] Safari print bug

2008-12-24 Thread Kenneth Nellis
At the risk of annoying with a relatively high rate of posts, I write  
to point out my next Safari bug.
Following Andreas's observation, I modified the program that  
generates the Kakuro SVG files to appease Safari, which doesn't seem  
to honor small font-sizes. Now all tested browsers render the puzzle  
correctly.
http://homepage.mac.com/nellisks/bugs/safari/print.svg
Safari, however, doesn't render it correctly for printing. If you  
Print (or just Print Preview) you'll notice that the numbers (text)  
in the bottom four rows are missing. How annoying! This behavior is  
extant in a recent Webkit download as well. This probably warrants a  
bug report.
—Ken Nellis


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[svg-developers] Re: Converting SVG to PDF

2008-12-24 Thread Kenneth Nellis
Yeah, the problem was ASV. As soon as I removed it, I could print SVG  
just fine. I had been using ASV for its support of SMIL, but Andreas  
directed me to WebKit, which seems to do SMIL just fine, so no more  
ASV. :-)
http://nightly.webkit.org/
Thanx for your response!
—Ken

> Re: Converting SVG to PDF
> Posted by: "John Delacour" j...@bd8.com   valchiusella
> Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:07 pm (PST)
>
> At 01:50 +0000 5/12/08, Kenneth Nellis wrote:
>
> >You can create PDF files of SVG from Safari?? Please, tell me the
> >trick. I just get a blank page except for the page headers, the same
> >as when I do Print Preview. FWIW, I'm running OS X 10.4, Safari
> >3.2.1 with the ASV 3.0 plugin. BTW, Firefox 3.0.4 works fine.
> >
> >Here's a sample file:
> ><http://homepage.mac.com/nellisks/stereo_svg/wireFrames/ 
> trunc_oct.svg>http://homepage.mac.com/nellisks/stereo_svg/ 
> wireFrames/trunc_oct.svg
>
> Sorry for the delay in replying -- I don't read all the postings  
> religiously.
>
> I had no trouble creating the vector pdf file from your link in  
> Safari using the Print/Save as PDF... option. Perhaps you need to  
> change your page set-up or something.
>
> As to the ASV plug-in, surely that has nothing to do with it.  
> Surely Safari is now self-sufficient for SVG?
>
> Robert Longson replied to my query that FireFox uses Cairo for the  
> conversion. How Safari does it I don't know. I have since installed  
> Cairo on the Mac, not without a lot of difficulty, and see that it  
> is not a complete solution, since attributes such as opacity are  
> not respected, but anything is better than a rasterized output.
>
> JD


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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-24 Thread Kenneth Nellis
Thanx to Andreas and Frank for their helpful responses and apologies  
for my second post appealing for help on the same subject.

Frank, I followed up on your idea that applying font-size directly as  
 element attributes rather than in style attributes. This  
worked to a point: I could control the text size in Safari down to  
0.3pt (if I recall correctly), but this was still too big, but if I  
made the size any smaller, Safari would ignore my specification and  
generate the huge text.

Andreas, your JavaScript solution is creative—and works in all  
browsers I tested, even Mac/IE 5.2.3—but I think it points out that  
the real solution is for the program that generates these SVG files  
to specify the coordinates on a higher-resolution grid so that I can  
specify font-size in a higher unit count. Do you think this is worthy  
of a Webkit Bugzilla report?

—Ken


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[svg-developers] font-size problem

2008-12-22 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I wonder if anyone might look at this font-size problem. Firefox/Mac  
3.0 renders this Kakuro puzzle as desired. Furthermore, FF3 responds  
to changes I make to the font-size attribute. Safari/Mac 3.2.1 (and  
WebKit) OTOH, don't respond to changes and render huge text. Very  
frustrating.

http://mysite.verizon.net/nellisks/svg/kakuro/wp.07-10-28.svg

I'm looking for a browser-independent to specify the font size.

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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-19 Thread Kenneth Nellis
I wonder if a 2nd pair of eyes might see a problem with my SVG code  
in this page:

http://mysite.verizon.net/nellisks/svg/kakuro/wp.07-10-28.svg

Safari 3.2.1 with ASV3 and Firefox 3.0.4 and Camino 1.6.5 render the  
Kakuro puzzle as desired, but Safari w/out ASV3 renders impossibly  
large text, just as did Opera 9.25. The current version of Opera  
(9.62) renders no text at all, unless its positioned outside the  
window. (This is the one "worse" thing that I've identified so far  
about Safari's SVG rendering over ASV's.)

—Ken Nellis


On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:06 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
> Posted by: "Andreas Neumann" a.neum...@carto.net   neumannandreas
> Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:15 pm (PST)
>
> yes, it is also my impression that some things are better and some  
> are worse. But Webkit is under active development while ASV is  
> dead. Also, all in all, performance in Webkit and browser  
> integration is good.
>
> I agree that there are still some bugs.
>
> I encourage you to report the bugs at https://bugs.webkit.org/
>
> Webkit is also important since it is also used in Google Chrome,  
> iPhone, Konqueror, Adobe Air (I think they deactivated SVG on  
> purpose) and other browsers/devices.
>
> Thanks,
> Andreas



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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-18 Thread Kenneth Nellis
Thanx, Andreas. I did download and play with the latest nightly  
WebKit build. My few SMIL things worked fine and so does View Source!  
Compared with ASV3, certain other things work better and certain  
other things work worse. I seem to have a text problem, that may be  
my own problem, but it works fine with ASV3 and Firefox3, so I had  
assumed I had coded it correctly.
—Ken

On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:48 AM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source
> Posted by: "Andreas Neumann" a.neum...@carto.net   neumannandreas
> Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:02 pm (PST)
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> It is true that the regular Safari release doesn't do SMIL yet.
>
> However, the Webkit nightlies (the base of future Safari versions)  
> already does SMIL. It is not yet fully complete and tested (this is  
> what the nightlies are for) but it is pretty good already.
>
> I invite you to download a webkit nightly from http:// 
> nightly.webkit.org/ and test it to see if your SMIL examples work.  
> You can report bugs if it doesn't. You can easily install Webkit in  
> parallel with other webkits or Safari versions so you don't loose  
> your official Safari release.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Andreas



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[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-16 Thread Kenneth Nellis
In my experiment, I removed ASV and then relaunched Safari to see  
what worked. SMIL didn't. I reinstalled ASV and SMIL worked again.  
So, I conclude that Safari doesn't do SMIL. Or is something else  
going on

—Ken Nellis

On Dec 16, 2008, at 1:09 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> hm - why do you want to use ASV with Safari? Safari (Webkit) can do
> SVG natively.
>
> Andreas
>
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Nellis"
>  wrote:
> >
> > Since I've updated to Safari 3.2.1 (Macintosh), I can no longer  
> see SVG source through the
> > context-sensitive menu option "View Source". I'm using the ASV  
> 3.0 plugin. The menu option
> > is there, but is no longer functional. Wondering if anyone else  
> has this problem.
> >
> > As a workaround, I can select "Copy SVG", and then paste the  
> results into a text editor.
> >
> > —Ken Nellis



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[svg-developers] Safari 3.2.1 with ASV 3.0 won't View Source

2008-12-13 Thread Kenneth Nellis
Since I've updated to Safari 3.2.1 (Macintosh), I can no longer see SVG source 
through the 
context-sensitive menu option "View Source". I'm using the ASV 3.0 plugin. The 
menu option 
is there, but is no longer functional. Wondering if anyone else has this 
problem.

As a workaround, I can select "Copy SVG", and then paste the results into a 
text editor.

—Ken Nellis




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[svg-developers] Re:Stroke width inside the shape

2008-12-10 Thread Kenneth Nellis
As a polyline isn't a closed figure, it doesn't have an inside/ 
outside, so I'd guess no.

—Ken

On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:48 PM, svg-developers@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there a way to set the stroke width of a polyline inside the  
> shape instead of half inside and half outside ?
> Thanks.
> Julie



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[svg-developers] Re: Converting SVG to PDF

2008-12-05 Thread Kenneth Nellis
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, John Delacour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Resuming a question I have let lie for nearly a year ...
> 
> At 23:15 + 1/1/08, John Delacour wrote:
> 
> >Can you explain why nobody has yet produced software to convert SVG
> >to a PDF vector format?
> 
> At 07:13 -0500 2/1/08, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
> 
> >...There are numerous products on the market that can convert SVG->PDF with
> >full vector fidelity. I wrote the first one back around 1997, though it's
> >no longer available. Today, you can certainly use Adobe Illustrator on the
> >commercial side or free solutions such as Inkscape to perform the
> >operation. If what you really want is DXF, then you can go direct from
> >SVG->DXF with Illustrator as well or some other products on the market.
> 
> Well, in Mac OS X, I tried printing (as PDF) an svg file from Opera 
> and discovered that not only is it impossible to do the page set-up 
> in Opera but the resulting file is, as I was expecting, a bit-map 
> file.  So I decided to print from Safari instead.  I discovered to my 
> surprise that the PDF produced is a vector file.  I then did the same 
> in Shiretoko/Firefox with the same pleasing results.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what engine Safari and Firefox use for this 
> conversion, whether it's the same engine in both cases and why Opera 
> does not use it?
> 
> JD

You can create PDF files of SVG from Safari?? Please, tell me the trick. I just 
get a blank 
page except for the page headers, the same as when I do Print Preview. FWIW, 
I'm running 
OS X 10.4, Safari 3.2.1 with the ASV 3.0 plugin. BTW, Firefox 3.0.4 works fine.

Here's a sample file:
http://homepage.mac.com/nellisks/stereo_svg/wireFrames/trunc_oct.svg

—Ken, new member, stereogram enthusiast




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