Re: [svg-developers] thanks!

[Lance Dyas]

Thats rather exciting actually... flash as a renderer for IE makes 
rather good sense due to the ubiquity
.. though it does lump svg in with all the evils perpetrated via flash. 
;-( thats just prejudice.

Tiago Cardoso wrote:
> How about using Flash to view it ?
> http://blog.tiagocardoso.eu/mainada/comics-sketch/2008/07/04/svg-viewer-demo/
>
> We are working on this.
>
> Best,
>
> Tiago Cardoso
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Mirco Coppola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>   Thanks for your suggestions. I would make a SVG Viewer. I made the
>> javascript components to zoom and to pan but when I try with a data file
>> (path) SVG about 400 kb is extremely slow. Is there any algorithm that can
>> apply to the file to see improvements in time pan and zoom? There is some
>> deployment in java?
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>>
>> Mirco
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Of rainbows and doughnuts

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A so apple will have another soft enhancement to release in the 
iphone itouch ... ;-)

ddailey wrote:
> Wow! SMIL in webkit! How utterly cool is that?
>
> Thanks
> David
>   - Original Message - 
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>   To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:14 PM
>   Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Of rainbows and doughnuts
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>   --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "ddailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>   > I started wondering yesterday if I could make a color wheel.
>   > 
>   > In the page at
>   http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/newstuff/rainbow.svg
>   > (You'll have to use either Opera or IE/ASV owing to the SMIL)
>
>   just to let you know that the latest webkit nightlies have SMIL
>   goodness enabled and display your color wheel just fine
>
>   see the webkit blog (scroll all the way down down to "update 2")
>   http://webkit.org/blog/214/introducing-squirrelfish-extreme/
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>   Michael
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Re: [svg-developers] Sliverlight antitrust

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The only Silverlight Web App I have tested hung all Mac browsers I tried 
it on
so much for cross platform compatibility.

David Dailey wrote:
> California and other states have asked for an extension in the 
> Microsoft browser antitrust consideration:
>
> http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/123837.asp
>
> (a part of the reason cited is Microsoft's use of Silverlight)
>
> On October 31 the federal judge granted an extension (I'm not sure 
> for how long)
> http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3708436
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> The US DOJ has recently weighed in on Microsoft's side.
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,139509-c,microsoftantitrustcase/article.html
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> I have not seen any call for amicus briefs.
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: ActiveX security warning with Adobe SVG viewer

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bierkrat wrote:
> Hi Samy,
>
> Thanks for your help. It works now: the SVG file gets displayed
> without the ActiveX warning.
> I had to enable this option:
>
> Internet Options -> Advanced -> (Security) -> Allow active content to
> run in files from my computer
>
> P.S. I'm using IE7.
> P.S. I still don't really like this option. It enables all active
> content and not only Adobe SVG Viewer...
>  
 Active content on your system means something already had access to 
your system
MicroSoft is closing the door after the horse is already in the fields. 
It is a false
security attempt.

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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Did FireFox1.5 support SVG pattern?

[Lance Dyas]

wang_zhaoyan2000 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It is a pity that Firefox1.5 don't support pattern. Cause I use a 
> lot of them in my SVG application. It seems the only way is simulate 
> pattern by some Javascript.
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> Thank your reply. 
 Why simulate when you could do. FireFox is written in ecmascript ;-)


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Re: [svg-developers] Map servers

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Barend Köbben wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Besides using a WMS that generates raster maps and include the rasters in
> your SVG client, you can also use WMSes that output SVG. Eg. MapServer and
> Geoserver can do this, but both implementations are so-so.
>   
What would you be looking for ..in such an implementation to...avoid so 
so ness and what client
are you looking at using the output. ;-)

MicroImages has a server that also will output SVG but.

http://www.microimages.com
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: ajax or svg or flash or ...

[Lance Dyas]

Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
> Andreas Neumann wrote:
>   
>> well hopefully a combination of the first two: Ajax and SVG, its not 
>> an "or", but an "and". A typical Ajax application combines 
>> Javascript, DHTML and sometimes SVG/VML/Canvas.
>>
>> If the majority goes with flash, we'll end up with a binary only, 
>> inaccessible, vendor controlled web, with DRM all over the place.
>> 
>
> My understanding is that the openness of .swf is similar to that of PDF, 
> i.e. it is well-documented and others are welcome to reimplement the 
> spec. 
The format could change tomorrow swf and pdf hell I would change both 
adding rendering filters, declarative animations and all kinds of glitzy 
stuff we see in SVG and if there were
any viewers that started to look competitive I wouldnt have to do much 
just slip in a misc. change a subtle one or two which invalidates a 
chunk of those comp. tools and wait a few months or a year before 
documenting it and I would keep on doing this... adding things so they 
can slip far behind and adobe can say "so what"  ours  are the only 
tools important which deal with this... and they are probably right.

Adobe changed a simple assumption on there pdf viewer version 7.0. it 
invalidated pdfs made by my companies software  ... they threw an 
obscure error... it wasnt very debuggable. We ended up making a utility 
to fix these now broken pdfs (that worked perfectly fine in version 
six.) It wasnt a biggy as pdfs are not central to what we do.

 It wouldn't even be like the browser wars more like a slaughter
> There do seem to be serious OSS projects to create .swf content 
> (e.g. OpenLaszlo), but I don't know about OSS Flash players.
its a lack of the latter which is scariest Adobes SVG viewer fading into 
the distance with a whiffle has some very healthy replacements on the 
horizon
>  Adobe's 
> tools do seem to be better, and their basic Flash 9 tools are 
> free-as-in-beer.
beer isnt free where I come from...
>  The snazzy ones are for-pay.
>   
 And I like em... but


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Re: [svg-developers] Adobe Mars: static SVG inside PDF

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Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
> On 10/31/06, Andreas Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Seems like SVG is not yet dead inside Adobe.
>>
>> 
> Not at all!
>
>
>   
>> Here is another project
>> by Adobe to embed static SVG inside a "Mars" file format, which is
>> basically a zip folder containing xml files (one per page) which
>> links to SVG/PNG/JPEG/JPEG2000 files.
>>
>> 
> You can also read about it on my blog at
> .  As you'll see, I am
> also now with Adobe and one of my responsibilities is the
> evangelization (is that a real word?!?!) of Mars.
>
> In addition to Mars, the new Digital Editions project from Adobe also
> supports static SVG inside of XHTML-based eBooks.
>
>
> Leonard
> newly minted, "Technical Standards Evangelist"
> Adobe Systems
>
>  
>   
Well you don't feel that new ...  perhaps the recognition is new... ;-) 
and the Adobe Systems on the end.



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Re: [svg-developers] Re: 'Native' SVG support in Opera and FF

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Lance Dyas wrote:
> Lance Dyas wrote:
>   
>> Holger Wll wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> * Is there even a way to pan or zoom in FF?
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>> you could use my Zoom and Pan Extension, which can be found here: 
>>> http://www.treebuilder.de/zoomAndPan/index.htm
>>>
>>> its still in an early version, and i dont have much time to update it 
>>> currently, but you can give it a try ;-)
>>> 
>>>   
>> Well my JAReese is rusty have a friendlier version folks could look into.
>> Another question might also be what tools do you use for making 
>> extensions with?
>>   
>>   
>> 
> By the way I failed to mention your tool is pretty neat... though a bit 
> in ones face (small icons seem big these days unless one is on the mac 
> in which case folks seem to want really large realistic images instead 
> of icons). Something more subtle would be to my liking. Perhaps right 
> click menu options or better an icon in bottom left corner to say this 
> is an svg then just use keyboard controls or  click on the icon to turn 
> on a floating tool bar... something along those lines.
>
> What enhancements did you have in mind for it?
>   
Smacking my hand on my forehead duuh
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is w3c looking at svg 1.3-2.0?

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Randy George wrote:
>  
> It looks to me like 3D and hardware acceleration will become defacto
> standards for rich clients sometime in late 2007. SVG1.2 adds some features
> to help with widget libraries. Switching to a graphics accelerator library
> could quickly close the gap on hardware acceleration, but 3D isn't as easily
> handled. w3c SVG is still on draft SVG1.2. Is there work behind the scenes
> on SVG 1.3-2.0? If not does Mozilla/Linux see a problem that may force them
> to an extended SVG schema or even XAML?
>
> Anyone else wondering about this?
>
> Randy
>
>  
Well there is Web3D an XML version of old VRML and viewers do exist for 
it, were one of those viewers packaged into a Firefox3 or something that 
might be a nice route.


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Re: [svg-developers] Re: 'Native' SVG support in Opera and FF

[Lance Dyas]

Lance Dyas wrote:
> Holger Wll wrote:
>   
>> Hi
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> * Is there even a way to pan or zoom in FF?
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
>> you could use my Zoom and Pan Extension, which can be found here: 
>> http://www.treebuilder.de/zoomAndPan/index.htm
>>
>> its still in an early version, and i dont have much time to update it 
>> currently, but you can give it a try ;-)
>> 
>
> Well my JAReese is rusty have a friendlier version folks could look into.
> Another question might also be what tools do you use for making 
> extensions with?
>   
>   
By the way I failed to mention your tool is pretty neat... though a bit 
in ones face (small icons seem big these days unless one is on the mac 
in which case folks seem to want really large realistic images instead 
of icons). Something more subtle would be to my liking. Perhaps right 
click menu options or better an icon in bottom left corner to say this 
is an svg then just use keyboard controls or  click on the icon to turn 
on a floating tool bar... something along those lines.

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Re: [svg-developers] Re: 'Native' SVG support in Opera and FF

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Holger Wll wrote:
> Hi
>
>   
>> * Is there even a way to pan or zoom in FF?
>>
>> 
>
> you could use my Zoom and Pan Extension, which can be found here: 
> http://www.treebuilder.de/zoomAndPan/index.htm
>
> its still in an early version, and i dont have much time to update it 
> currently, but you can give it a try ;-)

Well my JAReese is rusty have a friendlier version folks could look into.
Another question might also be what tools do you use for making 
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Re: [svg-developers] 'Native' SVG support in Opera and FF

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Stéphane ANCELOT wrote:
> zedkineece wrote:
>   
>> With all the doom and gloom coming with Adobe's announcement (which 
>> TOTALLY screws up the project I am working on), I have tested 
>> Opera's and Firefox's 'native' support of SVG, and here are my 
>> problems:
>>
>> * Neither one of them display our SVGs the same. The text is too 
>> large in one, and too small in the other. We tried changing font 
>> size from px to em, but the problem still remains.
>>
>> * setAttribute is not working at all in FF, and we get varying 
>> results in Opera.
>>
>> 
> 
> setAttribute works in ff, a sample program would be needed
>   
>> * Is there a way to pan in Opera?
>>
>> * Is there even a way to pan or zoom in FF?
>> 
> yes :
> use setAttribute and transform and scale
 OK perhaps what he needs is a  JS component that you could pass any
 valid SVG and get zoom box tool out of it... something that could for 
instance
be made into a FireFox Extension ;-)


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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Help on porting Windows IE ASV SVG app to Linux laptop

[Lance Dyas]

Andreas Neumann wrote:
> Hi Lance, 
>  
> this is partially because of a bug in your file and partially a bug 
> in Opera. 
>  
> In your file you use internal CSS classes and don't specify the "px" 
> values at your font-definitions. 
In the font definitions you are
> Mozilla also needs the px when 
> defining font-sizes in style attributes or CSS classes. You don't 
> need the px if you specify font-sizes in presentation attributes. 
>  
> If you add the px values at your CSS class definitions the font-size 
> is displayed properly. 
indeed putting the "px" in css certainly does the trick (can't believe I 
didnt have px never
would do that currently this was made umm a year or two ago)
Text is now rendering at the right size in both Opera and Firefox good 
call.
 
> The reason Opera does not display the font 
> correctly clearly is a bug in Opera. I am sure this will be fixed 
> pretty soon. 
>   
errr the above is simultaneously critical and optimistic sounding.. wow
>  
> I have already filed a similar bug to Opera and informed Ed about 
> the problem in your file. Expect a fix pretty soon. Please fix the 
> px issue in your file. 
>   
Done
http://www.judaiccreations.com/images/logo.svgz
>  
> Illustrator also allows to export to presentation attributes. With 
> this setting it renders properly in all SVG viewers. 
>   
probably a good tip .. but it was very easy for me to add those px 
because the styles
were defined where they were.. hunting through the file could be painful

I used Illustratrator to create the shapes.. batik to make the font.. 
.hand coding to tie
them together and customize the filters and gradients... 

A newer illustrator might be able to handle more of the process directly...



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Re: [svg-developers] Help on porting Windows IE ASV SVG app to Linux laptop

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ddailey wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Charles McCathieNevile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Help on porting Windows IE ASV SVG app to 
> Linux laptop
>
>
>   
>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:56:24 +0200, Guy Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> hear hear. i'm an opera convert. SVG is a little slower at times but
>>> it doesn't use as much CPU as FF and it's more solid and has the best
>>> standards support of any browser, imho. I can also personally vouch
>>> for the responsiveness of the Opera team.
>>>
>>> if everyone used opera, my life would be *so* much easier! :-)
>>>   
>> Wow. Send me your address and I will send you a T-shirt ;)
>>
>> 
> Can I trade a testimonial for a T-shirt as well?
>
> Seriously though, Opera handles most of the nasty SVG + JavaScript I can 
> throw at it. (
Apparently I am nastier than thou...
this is black and white in Firefox and looks terrible...
http://www.judaiccreations.com/images/logo.svgz

well it is noticebly better in Opera they are doing the various
filters though not exactly as expected ... close

and neither are doing the SVG font.

Batik and ASV render as expected.
here is a png if you want to see what that means
but dont want the annoyance of a plug in etc.
etc.
http://www.judaiccreations.com/images/logo.png
(I think it was rendered with batik)

Recent views of the logo with a nightly build
of Safari was starting to look interesting.

Anyway we have to keep the challenge levels up you know.











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Re: [svg-developers] Help on porting Windows IE ASV SVG app to Linux laptop

[Lance Dyas]

Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
>
> OK, it doesn't do the dishes. But it does let you write widgets 
?widgets? can you elaborate.are there examples?
> - you get  
> to present the SVG with no browser chrome, if you want.
>   
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: mousewheel event

[Lance Dyas]

Lance Dyas wrote:
> Haritos, James wrote:
>   
>> Hi guys,
>> Thanks for your help. I need to get it working in IE though - I tried
>> addeventlistener("DOMMouseScroll") and "SVGMousewheel" but it does not work
>> either. I have also tried:
>>   
>> 
> Do you have a page with the non working code...
> This page... created with TNTmap
> http://www.microimages.com/ogc/maps/topo.htm
> has working mousewheel support
>
> Lance Dyas
> http://www.microimages.com/tntmap
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>   
Woops wrong mailing list..
I thought I was reading my google maps list
dang.
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: mousewheel event

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Haritos, James wrote:
> Hi guys,
> Thanks for your help. I need to get it working in IE though - I tried
> addeventlistener("DOMMouseScroll") and "SVGMousewheel" but it does not work
> either. I have also tried:
>   
Do you have a page with the non working code...
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has working mousewheel support

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Re: [svg-developers] preserving F11 'full screen' functionality across browsers

[Lance Dyas]

krugerboy1971 wrote:
>  
>
> This seems to work nicely across all implementations - the only 
> problem is that in Firefox and Opera 9, pressing F11 doesn't fill 
> the screen with my svg (obviously, because I've specified pixels) - 
> BUT is there a way use the object tag with Firefox/Opera which 
> allows the full screen to stretch the svg content to fit (simply 
> using % as with the IE code doesn't seem to work).
>
> Many thanks for any advice on this...
>
>   
Just using my intuition try
style="width:98%;height:98%"

I vaguely recall css working where attributes did not.


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Re: [svg-developers] Re: IE7 Beta 2 has an SVG Embed Problem

[Lance Dyas]

Jim Ley wrote:
> "Francis Hemsher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   
>> IE7 Beta 2 Preview(3/20/2006) does not initially focus on the events
>> contained within an SVG document included in an embed.
>> It provides its own statement, via an onMouseOver popup display: "click
>> to activate and use this control".
>>
>> This lack of focus also occurs when the SVG document is panned(Alt
>> Key), thereby requiring another click to refocus the document's events.
>>
>> This not acceptable as a seamless use of the EMBED that contains an SVG
>> document on a webpage.
>> This was not a problem in IE5.5, IE6, or the previous IE7 Beta issue.
>> 
>
> Talk to the US patent office, all other UA's should be following suit, or 
> paying massive licensing fees to EOLAS.
>   
nah there was "real prior art" and microsoft is continuing the appeal 
process...
and if Eolas knew about the prior art and kept it from the courts they might
be on the receieving end of fines
> Mostly it's a stunt to annoy the patent office into pulling its finger out 
>   
heheh yes software patents make no sense most methodologies in the 
computer industry are mostly
common knowledge or publicly presented by scientists who wanted them to 
be aknowledged and
used by everybody. The few exceptions to this the patent office probably 
is not qualified to nor should be
expected to figure out. Combining those pretty much public methods in 
unique complex fashions makes for
copyrightable material but not patentable. Do you patent the color blue?


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Re: [svg-developers] Flash Lite 2

[lance dyas]

People do need to remember the difference between a format and an 
application.
Even though SVG can be done in Notepad (I prefer GVIM), I would buy the 
lastest
Flash and spend those $$$ if  Flash would produce nice clean SVG.

Because Flash has a very good artist friendly gui for many things like 
hands on "painting" of Vectors and Vectorization of
Rasters as well as its Frame based 2D animation and I am sure I dont 
care if it could still produce SWF   They could add
declarative animation interfaces to the Flash APP and when they render 
out to SVG it would convert easily
 and when it went to SWF it would be autoscripted The reverse is true 
for framed animation.

Adobe's illustrator has always been ... less intuitive for me to use 
than various Macromedia products, ( Freehand being the prime example)
Though Flash  also had its 
quirkiness... it was difficult to find where scripts where attached
 in a complex set up after you had been away from it for awhile or if 
you were trying to learn from somebody elses FLA)

Richard Gnyla wrote:
> Interesting
>
> Here is the reason why Adobe thinks you should use Flash (and not alternative 
> technologies such as SVG
>
>
> Because Flash costs $ and Adobe makes money for selling the product, 
> SVG can be done in notepad.
>
>
>
> Alastair Fettes wrote:
>
>   
>> Just noticed this article over on CNET:
>>
>> http://news.com.com/Mobile+and+consumer+devices+get+a+Flash+from+Adobe/2100-1041_3-6018004.html?part=rss&tag=6018004&subj=news
>>
>> "Both products support ActionScript 2, Unicode and XML data handling.
>> Adobe has also released a preview of an update to Flash Professional
>> 8, which is needed to author content specifically for the new
>> platforms. The company said that developing a mobile application using
>> Flash can be three to five times faster than using alternative
>> technologies. Adobe acquired Flash when it bought Macromedia last year.
>>
>> A large amount of attention is being paid to the mobile development
>> market by many organizations. Late last year, the World Wide Web
>> Consortium organized a seminar in London to push its vision of a
>> mobile-enabled Web. At the same time, Opera Software also announced a
>> beta of its Opera Platform SDK, aimed at providing similar facilities
>> to Flash Player SDK, but based on open standards like HTML and CSS."
>>
>> So I get three interesting points from this article:
>> 1.  Flash Lite 2 has XML Support.
>> 2.  Development using Flash as opposed to alternative tech's is three
>> to five times faster.
>> 3.  CNET must have never heard of SVG. :-/
>>
>> Here's the press release:
>> http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200601/010306FlashLite.html
>>
>> Here is the reason why Adobe thinks you should use Flash (and not
>> alternative technologies such as SVG):
>>
>> "Flash Lite 2 and Flash Player SDK 7 enable OEMs, consumer electronics
>> device manufacturers and operators to provide rich, customizable user
>> interfaces, while delivering more consistent consumer experiences
>> across devices, operating systems, processors and screen sizes. By
>> leveraging the Flash ecosystem -- which includes the Flash authoring
>> tool, rendering engine, and an established community of more than two
>> million designers and developers -- Flash Lite 2 and Flash Player SDK
>> 7 can reduce deployment costs and deliver content and interfaces three
>> to five times faster than competing solutions."
>>
>> Alastair



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Re: [svg-developers] Please say how is it possible to convert from gif to svg

[lance dyas]

david dailey wrote:
> At 11:17 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote:
>   
>> If you want to convert a gif to SVG vector objects, then you are somewhat
>> screwed. There are bitmap to vector conversion programs such as adobe
>> Streamline and the Corel Trace (bundled with CorelDraw), but they don't work
>> very well in large part. I also found this, by searching on google:
>> http://www.scale-a-vector.de/svg-test4-e.htm
>> 
> Of course, if the gif file is very simple then these tracing programs 
> will work better. If the file was originally drawn as a vector image 
> (supposing no gradients that might have forced dithering) then 
> converting back via Streamline, Corel Trace or half a dozen free and 
> shareware programs should be fairly straightforward.
>
> This reminds me of a question I'll bet someone here knows the answer to:
>
> Last I looked, patents in the US last only 20 years (I'm assuming 
> international harmonization as via TRIPPS and Uruguay and so forth) 
> mean that most countries probably share this 20 year duration to patents.
>   
The US patent is expired.. others are collapsing soon ;-)
> It seems by this reckoning that the patent covering the compression 
> algorithm underlying GIF (at least GIF87), oughta be about due to 
> expire. Does this signal any likelihood of GIF-related software 
> appearing in open source projects? or is PNG just so much superior? I 
> don't really know about the internals of either.
>
> David Dailey  
>
>   
Cool Things PNG has

* Variable transparency ... the wild things you can do with this in
  web sites is astounding.(IE requires some back flips to make this
  work and only if you go with 24bit PNG)
* Full color depth range from only a couple bits to Lossless color
  24 bit color possible which makes it good for storing art in
  because the compression is better than tif and it is still
  viewable with browsers

Questionably Cool Things GIF has

* animation similar but inferior to SMIL

PNGs features are not fully supported everywhere...IE is one of the worst.
 

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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Saving SVG from Firefox to Local Machine

[lance dyas]

On Windows/with Internet Explorer it is possible to have html pages be 
treated as an application and hence not have the Ecmascript/Javascript  
security restrictions.Its called an HTA,
With Mozilla/Firefox there is something similar ... called XUL/XBL  if 
you are really intending to extend the Mozilla Browser you might want to 
look these up.

samcctan wrote:

>Hi Holger,
>
>What do you mean "there is no way to communicate between ASV and 
>firefox"?
>
>I am doing a project to improve the accessibility of the graphics to 
>the blind and visually impaired people by using some assistive devices, 
>such as audio and haptic. I am now concentrating on SVG graphics, 
>especially for graphs. So, I am planning to have a plugin for the 
>browsers. At the moment, we are concentrating on creating a firefox 
>extension, but eventually we would like to have a plugin for IE as well.
>
>Anyway, I wrote a JavaScipt to extract the desired and important data 
>and information from a SVG file, by using getAttribute, 
>getElementsByTagName and so on. It is working at the moment but only if 
>I read the SVG file which saved in the same directory in my local 
>machine.
>
>This is snippet of my Code:
>
>function init(){ 
>readXML(SVGBarGrap.svg");
>}
>function readXML(url){
>if (window.XMLHttpRequest) {
>req = new XMLHttpRequest();
>req.overrideMimeType ("text/xml");
>req.onreadystatechange = processReqChange;
>req.open("GET", url, true);
>req.send(null);
>} else if (window.ActiveXObject) {
>   req = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
>if (req) {
>req.onreadystatechange = processReqChange;
>req.open("GET", url, true);
>req.send();
>}
>}
>} 
>function processReqChange() { 
>   if (req.readyState == 4 && req.responseXML) { 
>   var resp = req.responseXML;
>parseSVGFile(resp); 
>   } 
>}
>
>But now, I would like to create this plugin which can extract the data 
>and information from any of the SVG graph from any of the webpage.
>
The above is the security problem... scripting must come from the same 
domain as the data.

> But 
>I am not too sure how could I do that now. My idea is: When the user 
>browse through a webpage, and found a SVG Graph on one of the webpage, 
>then he will clock on a link to "view SVG". Then I suppose a new window 
>with SVG graph will pop up. I would then like to have my plugin to work 
>at this point, by directing my audio and haptic to represent the 
>content of the graph.
>
>But I don't have any idea to read a file from a remote server. Or I 
>should save the file on to the user's machine, but I am wondering can 
>JavaScript does that
>
>Is all these make any sense?
>
>Many Thanks,
>
>Sam
>
>  
>.
>
>  
>


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[svg-developers] Jpeg2000 ...

[lance dyas]

Jpeg2000 would indeed be sweet. Proprietary Mr Sid is dying out 
anyway.(RUMOR)


Andre M. Winter - Carto.net wrote:

>hi todd,
>
>no. SVG1.1 (and most viewers) only allow JPG and PNG as raster files. 
>maybe next viewes will support JPG2000 for compression levels.
>
>andré
>
>  
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: Shit, or get of the pot

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Rick Bullotta wrote:

>Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't see anything new on the Adobe
>site nor any specific reaffirmation of support...just a
>  
>
That is about it...even that is a form of evidence of non abandonment ..
for those grasping at straaws... SVG 1.2 spec really needs "finished"

And the next flash player needs to support SVG ;-)


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Re: [svg-developers] IDEA... WAS: Re: Re: Anyone going to blog at the SVG Open 2004?

[lance dyas]

Damn Straight we need a good tool akin to flash yada yada and the somebody
on the other end needs to be making reasonably good money so they can 
continuously improve
upon it, and so the viewer that they also publish will get better, I'm 
really tired of ASV3's ancient
innadequacies...( well to name one annoyance  its innability to show 
anything is downloading while it
does and the lag time after having it say done are quite annoying  )

If the above means illustrator gets better animation management and 
scripting support etc that might be fine.
The fact that the ASV viewers development and distribution have both 
stalled as far as the non-developer
world can see are very bad.  llusttrators shabby import of SVG is also 
disheartening.


Alexander Adam wrote:

> hi,
> > Indeed, the world needs a free, good tool to make
> > SVG files the way Flash works.
>
> Why has it to be free? To be honest, I am really disappointed by the
> opinion of most people here about software for svg. On the one side
> they want a huge community like there is for Flash, an authoring tool
> like Flash, a powerful viewer supporting everything of SVG and beeing
> as fast as the Flash Player and much more. Well, and all free. How
> should that work? How should a company support SVG if everything is
> free? How should be some marketing done, from whom?
>
> Well just my $0.02. Note that this is posted privately.
>
> thanks,
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