Re: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG
On 6/30/05, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan Watt schrieb: So you can do all types of cross-document scripting in Firefox, but just in a different (i.e. W3C standard) way. I've put up heavily commented demos showing how to script from HTML to an embedded SVG document and it's scripts here: http://jwatt.org/svg/demos/scripting-across-embed.html http://jwatt.org/svg/demos/scripting-across-object.html will these files stay at this url? the question is comming up regularly, and in the future i would like to point people to these fine examples. Yes, I intend to keep them there. Thanks Holger. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG
On 6/29/05, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Schepers schrieb: Rick Bullotta wrote: | | I'll check it out tonight (with a beer in my hand)! Thanks | for the heads up. Is browser-SVG scripting support enabled? I'm not sure if it is enabled in the same way that it is for ASV+IE... yes it is, on embed you got the getSVGDocument() method, and on object you can use contentDocument and contentWindow. as far as i can tell the only missing part is the getWindow() method on embed. so if you need to have functions defiend in your SVG and you want to access them from your html, youll have to use object. Actually you can use embed. You can then use the W3C standard property 'defaultView' on the SVGDocument object to access the SVG document's 'window' object (and hence the scripts defined in it). So you can do all types of cross-document scripting in Firefox, but just in a different (i.e. W3C standard) way. I've put up heavily commented demos showing how to script from HTML to an embedded SVG document and it's scripts here: http://jwatt.org/svg/demos/scripting-across-embed.html http://jwatt.org/svg/demos/scripting-across-object.html - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG (was: SVG fonts in ASV)
I doubt that IE7 will, because Microsoft does not implement open standards unless they absolutely have to. That's not entirely a fair assessment. I think the motivation is more commercial than peer pressure. I think their support of RSS in Longhorn is a great step forward. Microsoft's SVG support has, indeed, been sparse or non-existent though. Back to the practical matters of supporting SVG in IE, Adobe's SVG viewer has a much, MUCH, MCH better chance of widespread installation by Trojan horsing in on the back of the PDF reader. Or via Flash viewer support for SVG Tiny or Basic, which is on something like 98% of internet connected PC's. I think it a stretch to think that a plug-in from a small company will see huge installed base, particularly behind the corporate firewall, but I guess you have to start somewhere! ; -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Schepers Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:10 PM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG (was: SVG fonts in ASV) Hi, Sylvain- Until recently, I would have agreed with you. However, the FireFox browser will soon have native SVG support. I doubt that IE7 will, because Microsoft does not implement open standards unless they absolutely have to. However, EvolGraphiX intends to release a browser plugin based on Maxim Shemanarev's excellent AGG vector engine. Their stated intent is to make it fully compliant with the Spec, which Adobe has never done. Also, as I understand it, they are aiming toward a broader range of support, with Mac and Linux treated as first-class citizens ... Regards- Doug doug . schepers @ vectoreal.com www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG
However, the FireFox browser will soon have native SVG support. We've been hearing this for a long time. Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, Sylvain- Until recently, I would have agreed with you. However, the FireFox browser will soon have native SVG support. I doubt that IE7 will, because Microsoft does not implement open standards unless they absolutely have to. However, EvolGraphiX intends to release a browser plugin based on Maxim Shemanarev's excellent AGG vector engine. Their stated intent is to make it fully compliant with the Spec, which Adobe has never done. Also, as I understand it, they are aiming toward a broader range of support, with Mac and Linux treated as first-class citizens In the mobile space, Adobe has never been a player, and there are at least 3 viewers there. That being said, I think that Adobe has the opportunity to leverage the authoring tools that they have acquired in buying Macromedia to create a great environment for creating SVG/Flash content for desktop and mobile devices. EvolGraphiX also has XStudio, which will be improved and tuned to maximize their viewer. In short, I think that the burden of SVG has been lifted from Adobe's shoulders, which will hopefully improve its adoption for everyone... Adobe included. The more people in the market, the more everyone has to gain; a rising tide raises all ships. Oh, and don't forget all the ancillary SVG tools, like Batik, InkScape, SodiPodi, FOP, etc... They have nothing to do with Adobe, and they all leverage and enhance SVG. Regards- Doug doug . schepers @ vectoreal.com www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. Sylvain Rouillard wrote: | | Hi, | | Going straight to the point here, I hope you don't mind... | | What's the official position of Adobe concerning SVG these | days? What key factors would push this internal SVG decoder | in the sunlight or doom it to stay in Adobe's archives? And | finally (dare I ask), what are the officious odds for one way | or the other? | | I'm hoping you can answer at least a few of these questions. | The way I see it, SVG's future is basically in Adobe's hands, so... | | Cheers | | Le Lundi 27 Juin 2005 20:36, Jon Ferraiolo a écrit : | | new internal SVG code base, which would be part of the next | major SVG | release if/when that release sees the light of day. | | | | | | __ | _ | Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau | Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur | http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com | | | | - | To unsubscribe send a message to: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -or- | visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click | edit my membership | | Yahoo! Groups Links | | | | | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.2/29 - Release Date: | 6/27/2005 | | - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG
joke Reminds me of one of my favorite signs in a bar... Free Beer Tomorrow /joke -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:25 AM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG However, the FireFox browser will soon have native SVG support. We've been hearing this for a long time. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG
I'll check it out tonight (with a beer in my hand)! Thanks for the heads up. Is browser-SVG scripting support enabled? -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Schepers Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:22 PM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG Free Beer Tonight would be more appropriate. The nightly Firefox builds have SVG turned on by default. MozSVG will make its prime-time appearance in Firefox 1.1, which will hopefully be in the next month or 2. It was due out in early June, but it got pushed back. But if you want to see a preview, download the nightly. Even better, be a good Web Citizen and test it out and make bug reports. Regards- Doug doug . schepers @ vectoreal.com www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG
Free Beer Tonight isn't so useful if no one knows about it. The whole idea is to everyone with SVG viewing capabilities whether they know it or not. Doug Schepers wrote: Free Beer Tonight would be more appropriate. The nightly Firefox builds have SVG turned on by default. MozSVG will make its prime-time appearance in Firefox 1.1, which will hopefully be in the next month or 2. It was due out in early June, but it got pushed back. But if you want to see a preview, download the nightly. Even better, be a good Web Citizen and test it out and make bug reports. Regards- Doug doug . schepers @ vectoreal.com www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. Rick Bullotta wrote: | | joke | | Reminds me of one of my favorite signs in a bar... | | Free Beer Tomorrow | | /joke | -Original Message- | From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean | Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:25 AM | To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com | Subject: Re: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG | | However, the FireFox browser will soon have native SVG support. | | We've been hearing this for a long time. | - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] The Future of SVG
Rick Bullotta wrote: | | I'll check it out tonight (with a beer in my hand)! Thanks | for the heads up. Is browser-SVG scripting support enabled? I'm not sure if it is enabled in the same way that it is for ASV+IE... However, it does allow inline SVG (properly namespaced, of course), so you could manipulate the SVG DOM that way. I'm curious if if works as an embed or in an iframe, too. Sean wrote: | | Free Beer Tonight isn't so useful if no one knows about it. | The whole idea is to everyone with SVG viewing capabilities | whether they know it or not. And that will be coming with the release of Firefox 1.1. I'm sorry that the team of volunteer Mozilla programmers has not worked fast enough for you. Regards- Doug doug . schepers @ vectoreal.com www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
