Re: [sword-devel] OSIS: Catholic bible Louis-Claude Fillion

2010-05-17 Thread David Haslam

Thanks Wolfgang,

http://www.magnificat.ca/textes/bible/ Textes à consulter et/ou à
télécharger  has the AT  NT available for download as Zip files. The page
is headed, Bibliothèque des meilleurs textes catholiques

The Catholic bible Louis-Claude Fillion is described here,  
http://www.magnificat.ca/textes/bible/fillion.htm Louis-Claude Fillion 

The relevant dates are: La Sainte Bible commentée d'après la Vulgate (8
volumes, 1888-1895)

His death was in 1927.  This is early enough for the translation to be
public domain as it is more than 70 years since the death of the translator.

Though this may not be a high priority, it would certainly be feasible for
CrossWire to make a SWORD module from the source text available there.
Whether our module makers would prefer to create the OSIS themselves is
entirely up to them. I will add this to the following wiki page.

http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Module_Requests#French_Bibles Module Requests
- French Bibles 

This section already lists a number of French translations that are yet to
be implemented.

David Haslam
Go Bible project leader
CrossWire Bible Society.




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Re: [sword-devel] OSIS: Catholic bible Louis-Claude Fillion

2010-05-17 Thread Manfred Bergmann

Am 17.05.2010 um 10:31 schrieb David Haslam:

 The relevant dates are: La Sainte Bible commentée d'après la Vulgate (8
 volumes, 1888-1895)
 
 His death was in 1927.  This is early enough for the translation to be
 public domain as it is more than 70 years since the death of the translator.

The copyrights of the hardcopy may be expired but the digital text could have 
different copyrights.



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Re: [sword-devel] OSIS: Catholic bible Louis-Claude Fillion

2010-05-17 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
Hello,

There isn't new Copyright on a digital file that only contains the
unchanged text of the expired work. (keine Schöpffungshöhe = kein
Werk=kein Urheberecht).

This is an urban legend.

Please stopp to spread such legends the doesn't help further


wolfgang

@David French copyrights ends 50 Years after dead




2010/5/17 Manfred Bergmann manfred.bergm...@me.com:

 Am 17.05.2010 um 10:31 schrieb David Haslam:

 The relevant dates are: La Sainte Bible commentée d'après la Vulgate (8
 volumes, 1888-1895)

 His death was in 1927.  This is early enough for the translation to be
 public domain as it is more than 70 years since the death of the translator.

 The copyrights of the hardcopy may be expired but the digital text could have 
 different copyrights.



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[sword-devel] New flashcard lesson

2010-05-17 Thread Wes Widner
Hey guys,

I wrote a lesson, the Greek alphabet, for the flashcard app. How should I go
about contributing my work on it back to the project?

Thanks,
-Wes
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Re: [sword-devel] New flashcard lesson

2010-05-17 Thread DM Smith

On 05/17/2010 09:32 AM, Wes Widner wrote:

Hey guys,

I wrote a lesson, the Greek alphabet, for the flashcard app. How 
should I go about contributing my work on it back to the project?


If I recall, svn on FlashCards is wide open to encourage collaboration. 
If so, just check it in.





Thanks,
-Wes


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Re: [sword-devel] OSIS: Catholic bible Louis-Claude Fillion

2010-05-17 Thread jhphx

 Wolfgang Schultz wrote:

Hello,

There isn't new Copyright on a digital file that only contains the
unchanged text of the expired work. (keine Schöpffungshöhe = kein
Werk=kein Urheberecht).

This is an urban legend. ...
   


Copyright does not protect the sweat of the brow but other laws 
sometimes do and these can vary from country to country so some caution 
is wise.


Jerry


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Re: [sword-devel] OSIS: Catholic bible Louis-Claude Fillion

2010-05-17 Thread David Haslam

Everyone, please read this  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud wikipedia
article on copyfraud , and (if you have time) read the full paper by Jason
Mazzone.

Agreed it's not always a clear cut case, as when (for example) an electronic
edition adds things like footnotes, cross-references and headings that were
not in the original text. Or when (e.g.) the spelling and orthography are
significantly changed.

Even so, I don't think these conditions apply to this particular
translation, which was published in France, where copyright law should be
reasonably straight-forward to interpret.

David


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Re: [sword-devel] OSIS: Catholic bible Louis-Claude Fillion

2010-05-17 Thread David Haslam

All the htm pages for this translation contain this in the footnote:

M. l'Abbé Louis-Claude Fillion, p.s.s., (1843-1927), La Sainte Bible,
commentée d'après la Vulgate et les Textes originaux.

Droits réservés: Magnificat http://magnificat.ca/
http://magnificat.ca/textes/bible/index.html

It's not clear which rights reserved Magnificat is claiming. 
It does not say the equivalent of All rights reserved.

The general format is VPL (verse per line) with slightly unusual delimiters.
There seem to be no footnotes, cross-refs or section headings. 
No indentation for poetry either.

btw. There is something odd in psaumes.htm - the font gets smaller and
smaller as you navigate down the page. Haven't checked many other books.

David


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Re: [sword-devel] OSIS: Catholic bible Louis-Claude Fillion

2010-05-17 Thread David Haslam

Magnificat is short for 

Monastère du Magnificat — CP 4478 — Mont-Tremblant — Québec — Canada

The French welcome page contains, Tous droits réservés ©2010 Les Apôtres de
l'Amour Infini
The English home page contains, All rights reserved ©2010 The Apostles of
Infinite Love

See top page, http://www.magnificat.ca/

Posting an All rights reserved notice on a website is commonly done to
provide blanket cover for the works for which they do own the copyright. I
still think a laywer could argue a case that it is unreasonable to conclude
that this gives them a new copyright for an electronic edition of a public
domain text. 

However, I'm a Chartered Engineer, not a lawyer, so everyone reading this
further reply can easily determine the scope of my professional advice. ;}

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Re: [sword-devel] OSIS: Catholic bible Louis-Claude Fillion

2010-05-17 Thread David Haslam

Request just added to 

http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/Module_Requests#French_Bibles

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Re: [sword-devel] New flashcard lesson

2010-05-17 Thread David Haslam

And there is a Jira project for it at http://www.crosswire.org/bugs/browse/FC

It looks like Troy is the pumpkin holder.

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Re: [sword-devel] New flashcard lesson

2010-05-17 Thread David Haslam

Please would someone add a page about flashcards to the 
http://www.crosswire.org/wiki CrossWire developers' wiki .  Thanks.

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[sword-devel] Android SWORD

2010-05-17 Thread Joe Dobrik
Hello all,

I hope I am at the right place to enquire if anyone is working on this
project and if there is any progress made on it since last October?
As many new phone came out recently running Android 2 it would be great to
have it available on there too.

Thanks,

joey d.


Re: [sword-devel] Android SWORD

Troy A. Griffitts
Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:09:21 -0700

A quick update on Android progress.

o  Basic Bible navigation and display are working, albeit not pretty.
o  Text-to-Speech functionality is added.
o  All methods from the engine are now completely wrapped to the same
swordorb.idl interface we use for SWORDWeb's Java-CORBA-C++ bridge, so
a full-featured Android client should now be possible with the current
engine exposure.

Everything is still at the same location (below).

-Troy.


Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
 There is now a preliminary Android NDK / Java binding available in SVN.
  This is very very early and should just be considered a proof of concept.

 There is a package available to show things working, but doesn't really
 do much:

 http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop.apk 
 http://crosswire.org/%7Escribe/bishop.apk

 the JNI libsword.so should be placed in your project/libs directory, e.g.,

 ~/workspace/bishop/libs/armeabi/libsword.so

 and can be obtained from the above package-- believe me, you don't want
 to try to compile it yourself as the NDK does not have STL support out
 of the box.  The Java classes can be obtained from the
 sword/bindings/java-jni/src directory, e.g.

 http://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/bindings/java-jni/src/org/crosswire/android/sword/

 Module library must exist on your SD card under a 'sword' directory to
 be found, e.g., unzip KJV.zip to /sdcard/sword/

 Have fun, let me know if anyone else is interested in developing an
 Android frontend.

   -Troy.

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Re: [sword-devel] Android SWORD

2010-05-17 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Hey Joey,

Yeah, It's still slowly making progress.  All work for the JNI wrapper
of the SWORD lib for Android is checked into SVN under the bindings
folder of the lib source if you'd like to play.  There are a few emails
on sword-devel about how to compile it, which I'm sure you could file
with a quick search.  The actual end user application isn't checked in
anywhere, as it is just a bunch of very basic calls to the engine to
grab a chapter of text, search, install a module, etc., as a test of the
bindings.  A nicely designed user interface is needed.  Hope to have
more time to spend on it after I finish some not-so-fun-but-necessary
tasks on other projects.

Troy



On 05/17/2010 09:04 AM, Joe Dobrik wrote:
 Hello all,

 I hope I am at the right place to enquire if anyone is working on this
 project and if there is any progress made on it since last October?
 As many new phone came out recently running Android 2 it would be
 great to have it available on there too.

 Thanks,

 joey d.
 


   Re: [sword-devel] Android SWORD

 Troy A. Griffitts
 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:09:21 -0700

 A quick update on Android progress.


 o  Basic Bible navigation and display are working, albeit not pretty.
 o  Text-to-Speech functionality is added.
 o  All methods from the engine are now completely wrapped to the same
 swordorb.idl interface we use for SWORDWeb's Java-CORBA-C++ bridge, so

 a full-featured Android client should now be possible with the current
 engine exposure.

 Everything is still at the same location (below).

 -Troy.


 Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
  There is now a preliminary Android NDK / Java binding available in SVN.

   This is very very early and should just be considered a proof of concept.
  
  There is a package available to show things working, but doesn't really
  do much:
  
  http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop.apk 
  http://crosswire.org/%7Escribe/bishop.apk

  
  the JNI libsword.so should be placed in your project/libs directory, e.g.,
  
  ~/workspace/bishop/libs/armeabi/libsword.so
  
  and can be obtained from the above package-- believe me, you don't want

  to try to compile it yourself as the NDK does not have STL support out
  of the box.  The Java classes can be obtained from the
  sword/bindings/java-jni/src directory, e.g.
  
  http://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/bindings/java-jni/src/org/crosswire/android/sword/

  
  Module library must exist on your SD card under a 'sword' directory to
  be found, e.g., unzip KJV.zip to /sdcard/sword/
  
  Have fun, let me know if anyone else is interested in developing an

  Android frontend.
  
-Troy.
  
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Re: [sword-devel] Android SWORD

2010-05-17 Thread Wes Widner
Troy,

Is there any chance we could start up a seperate project/repo for an Android
front-end?

Now that I'm done with my project (flashcard clone for Android) I would love
to help out with an Android Bible app. Especially since I've begun to notice
the abrupt shortcomings of the other Android Bible apps.

-Wes


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Troy A. Griffitts scr...@crosswire.orgwrote:

  Hey Joey,

 Yeah, It's still slowly making progress.  All work for the JNI wrapper of
 the SWORD lib for Android is checked into SVN under the bindings folder of
 the lib source if you'd like to play.  There are a few emails on sword-devel
 about how to compile it, which I'm sure you could file with a quick search.
 The actual end user application isn't checked in anywhere, as it is just a
 bunch of very basic calls to the engine to grab a chapter of text, search,
 install a module, etc., as a test of the bindings.  A nicely designed user
 interface is needed.  Hope to have more time to spend on it after I finish
 some not-so-fun-but-necessary tasks on other projects.

 Troy




 On 05/17/2010 09:04 AM, Joe Dobrik wrote:

 Hello all,

 I hope I am at the right place to enquire if anyone is working on this
 project and if there is any progress made on it since last October?
 As many new phone came out recently running Android 2 it would be great to
 have it available on there too.

 Thanks,

 joey d.
 

  Re: [sword-devel] Android SWORD

 Troy A. Griffitts
 Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:09:21 -0700

 A quick update on Android progress.


 o  Basic Bible navigation and display are working, albeit not pretty.
 o  Text-to-Speech functionality is added.
 o  All methods from the engine are now completely wrapped to the same
 swordorb.idl interface we use for SWORDWeb's Java-CORBA-C++ bridge, so

 a full-featured Android client should now be possible with the current
 engine exposure.

 Everything is still at the same location (below).

 -Troy.


 Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
  There is now a preliminary Android NDK / Java binding available in SVN.

   This is very very early and should just be considered a proof of concept.
 
  There is a package available to show things working, but doesn't really
  do much:
 
  http://crosswire.org/~scribe/bishop.apk 
  http://crosswire.org/%7Escribe/bishop.apk

 
  the JNI libsword.so should be placed in your project/libs directory, e.g.,
 
  ~/workspace/bishop/libs/armeabi/libsword.so
 
  and can be obtained from the above package-- believe me, you don't want

  to try to compile it yourself as the NDK does not have STL support out
  of the box.  The Java classes can be obtained from the
  sword/bindings/java-jni/src directory, e.g.
 
  http://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/bindings/java-jni/src/org/crosswire/android/sword/

 
  Module library must exist on your SD card under a 'sword' directory to
  be found, e.g., unzip KJV.zip to /sdcard/sword/
 
  Have fun, let me know if anyone else is interested in developing an

  Android frontend.
 
-Troy.
 
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[sword-devel] curl.h missing ?

2010-05-17 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
Hello,

i want to compile the sword engine with Visual Studio 2010.

The source is checked out from : https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/

Unfortunately i get two errors :-(

Error   44  error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'curl/curl.h': No such
file or directory   [...]\projects\zefania\sword\src\mgr\curlftpt.cpp   
28  1   libsword
Error   45  error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'curl/curl.h': No such
file or directory
[]\projects\zefania\sword\src\mgr\curlhttpt.cpp 27  1   libsword


My question is: Where can i get that curl.h  ?

wolfgang

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Re: [sword-devel] curl.h missing ?

2010-05-17 Thread Wes Widner
Here is a PDF http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/c/visual_studio.pdf regarding
getting libcurl to work in Visual Studio. It should help get you pointed in
the right direction.

-Wes


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Wolfgang Schultz
woschu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Hello,

 i want to compile the sword engine with Visual Studio 2010.

 The source is checked out from : https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/

 Unfortunately i get two errors :-(

 Error   44  error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'curl/curl.h': No
 such
 file or directory   [...]\projects\zefania\sword\src\mgr\curlftpt.cpp
 28  1   libsword
 Error   45  error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'curl/curl.h': No
 such
 file or directory
 []\projects\zefania\sword\src\mgr\curlhttpt.cpp 27  1
 libsword


 My question is: Where can i get that curl.h  ?

 wolfgang

 http://www.zefania.de

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