[sword-devel] YouVersion application for facebook

[David Haslam]

This message is not intended to be an advert, merely to illustrate what other
agencies are doing to engage people with Scripture.

There is a now a  http://www.facebook.com/YouVersion YouVersion application
for facebook .

What can we learn from this approach?

David


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Re: [sword-devel] YouVersion application for facebook

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, David Haslam  wrote:

> This message is not intended to be an advert, merely to illustrate what
> other agencies are doing to engage people with Scripture.
>
> There is a now a http://www.facebook.com/YouVersion YouVersion
> application for facebook.
>
> What can we learn from this approach?

Your message arrived with one from Friends Reunited about how they were
now hosting games on their site. The juxaposition of the two suggests
triviality, frivolity and time-wasting. While YouVersion are putting their
application online from sound motives (I presume) I wonder whether such
approaches are actually going to result in even less Bible reading and
serious study than there is in the church already.

Not that Bible reading by the laity hasn't been an issue since Paul's day
--- tomorrow's Anglican lectionary reading is 2 Thess 3 which I'm taking a
break from rehearsing to sign with this email. Or since the catechismistic
4th century when the church fathers complained that congregants did not
"read" the scriptures themselves at home.

I always counter Edmund Hillary's dictum of "because it was there" with
just because you can doesn't mean you should.

And I won't even mention the specific security issues with facebook.

Regards, Trevor

<>< Re: deemed!


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Re: [sword-devel] YouVersion application for facebook

[David Haslam]

Thanks for responding Trevor,

Leaving aside (for the moment) the "just because you can doesn't mean you
should", how feasible would it be to adapt [say] 
http://www.crosswire.org/swordweb/ SwordWeb  to make a proper facebook
application?

Facebook security and privacy concerns are something for fb users to worry
about, but perhaps not a topic for this mailing list. Best pursued
elsewhere. Many other environments have security issues, as any regular
listener to  http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm Security Now!  podcasts
would be aware of.

David


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[sword-devel] Display of bookGroup titles?

[David Haslam]

The example in  http://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles#Body
http://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles#Body  includes example code for a
bookGroup title.

Old Testament

Genesis

In the
beginning...
The earth 
was
formless and void...
...


Should front-ends such as Xiphos actually display bookGroup titles as
illustrated?Old TestamentDo any of our existing Bible modules
actually incorporate bookGroup titles like this example? If so, which ones?

I am beginning to suspect that there may be a subtle issue in this part of
the SWORD engine.


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[sword-devel] NHEB in experimental

[Konstantin Maslyuk]

This  is  also damaged after 3John.1 (skipped one verse for every next
chapter,  and from Rev.13 - two skipped verses). Maybe it is converted
through default v11n scheme and not NRSV v11n?


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Re: [sword-devel] YouVersion application for facebook

[David Haslam]

"As of July 2010,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook Facebook  has more
than 500 million active users, which is about one person for every fourteen
in the world."

Posted without comment.

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[sword-devel] Changing locale in Xiphos

[David Haslam]

If you have Ecclesiastes [say] displayed as the current passage with English
as the locale, and then change the local to Spanish, the location remains
unchanged as Eclesiastés.

If you then switch the locale back to English (en_GB), when Xiphos restarts,
the passage location changes to Revelation of John 1:1. This is mildly
annoying.

It's fairly clear what's happening. The English reference parser cannot cope
with the 'remembered' Spanish bookname.  Examples could be multiplied ad
nauseum.

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Re: [sword-devel] YouVersion application for facebook

[Wes Widner]

Here is some great commentary to go along with it:
http://confidentchristianity.blogspot.com/2009/11/social-ethics-for-social-network.html

-Wes


On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:20 AM, David Haslam wrote:

>
> "As of July 2010,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook Facebook  has
> more
> than 500 million active users, which is about one person for every fourteen
> in the world."
>
> Posted without comment.
>
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Re: [sword-devel] Changing locale in Xiphos

[Matthew Talbert]

This conversation belongs on xiphos-devel.

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:49 AM, David Haslam  wrote:
>
> If you have Ecclesiastes [say] displayed as the current passage with English
> as the locale, and then change the local to Spanish, the location remains
> unchanged as Eclesiastés.
>
> If you then switch the locale back to English (en_GB), when Xiphos restarts,
> the passage location changes to Revelation of John 1:1. This is mildly
> annoying.
>
> It's fairly clear what's happening. The English reference parser cannot cope
> with the 'remembered' Spanish bookname.  Examples could be multiplied ad
> nauseum.
>
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[sword-devel] Visualizing the Bible

[David Haslam]

Techies may like to take a peek at
http://www.chrisharrison.net/projects/bibleviz/
and see how Chris Harrison has made a visualization of all the Bible's
cross-references. Very groovy! 

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Re: [sword-devel] Display of bookGroup titles?

[Greg Hellings]

David,

I don't believe that osis2mod preserves these titles.  If it does,
then it would preserve them in Genesis 0:0 or maybe [ Testament 1
Heading ].  And only newer versions of osis2mod would use it.  By
default, most front ends do not usually display either of those
sections for Bibles unless the user explicitly requests them.

The only module which _might_ use that construct is KJV, as our most
extensive OSIS module.  Maybe the NASB does too, but that is not
public yet and I don't have one to look.

--Greg

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 8:40 AM, David Haslam  wrote:
>
> The example in  http://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles#Body
> http://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles#Body  includes example code for a
> bookGroup title.
> 
>        Old Testament
>        
>                Genesis
>                
>                        In the
>                        beginning...
>                        The earth 
> was
>                        formless and void...
>                        ...
>                
>        
> Should front-ends such as Xiphos actually display bookGroup titles as
> illustrated?Old TestamentDo any of our existing Bible modules
> actually incorporate bookGroup titles like this example? If so, which ones?
>
> I am beginning to suspect that there may be a subtle issue in this part of
> the SWORD engine.
>
>
> David
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Re: [sword-devel] YouVersion application for facebook

[Greg Hellings]

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:20 AM, David Haslam  wrote:
>
> "As of July 2010,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook Facebook  has more
> than 500 million active users, which is about one person for every fourteen
> in the world."

As of September Facebook passed Google as the most used website in the
world.  And, for the record, 500 million active users comes in at
about 1/3 of all Internet users around the globe.

Now moving on to other issues from David's post, there is great
possibility here, I feel.  There is also one major caveat: From what I
know of Facebook apps, which is admittedly not terribly much, they are
written entirely in PHP.  See other threads regarding the status of
our SWIG bindings in PHP.

--Greg

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Re: [sword-devel] YouVersion application for facebook

[Mike Hart]

I tried YouVersion on my work provided blackberry.

The number one learning I had from it was: Here in America, on Sunday at 11am, 
no 'net' bible is going to work due to a predictable traffic spike overloading 
servers. Unfortunately, that is the only time 95% of users want it to work.  
So, even if the app is polished beyond perfection, a server side bible reader 
is doomed to be perceived as a flop because just about everyone finds it won't 
work on Sunday. I suspect a similar issue exists in Europe and Asia. 

In designing for a server based web enabled app, remember that if your target 
device is portable enough to replace a paper bible, most of your users will 
expect your server to have bandwidth during services. Since Facebook is both a 
desktop and mobile environment, keep this in mind. 

Possible solutions could be to allow some local caching of sections so that 
savvy users can at least prepare for services if the notes are pre-published, 
or design in a peer or group provided texts (but this opens up all sorts of 
bandwidth cost issues in mobile environments... spend $$$ of users money 
serving bibles if they don't have the right contract.) 

I see much more value on FB with daily reading applets and badges pointing to 
other locally provided apps than a server side bible text reader. 


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From: David Haslam 
Subject: [sword-devel] YouVersion application for facebook
To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 3:57 AM


This message is not intended to be an advert, merely to illustrate what other
agencies are doing to engage people with Scripture.

There is a now a  http://www.facebook.com/YouVersion YouVersion application
for facebook .

What can we learn from this approach?

David


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Re: [sword-devel] YouVersion application for facebook

[Wes Widner]

In most Facebook apps ,
the frontend (html,javascript,css) is completely separate from the backend
(data access, sessions, etc.).

I would love to see two distinct development paths emerge here for frontend
and backend using something like json-rpc  as a glue
the two together.

-Wes


On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Greg Hellings wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:20 AM, David Haslam 
> wrote:
> >
> > "As of July 2010,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook Facebook  has
> more
> > than 500 million active users, which is about one person for every
> fourteen
> > in the world."
>
> As of September Facebook passed Google as the most used website in the
> world.  And, for the record, 500 million active users comes in at
> about 1/3 of all Internet users around the globe.
>
> Now moving on to other issues from David's post, there is great
> possibility here, I feel.  There is also one major caveat: From what I
> know of Facebook apps, which is admittedly not terribly much, they are
> written entirely in PHP.  See other threads regarding the status of
> our SWIG bindings in PHP.
>
> --Greg
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Re: [sword-devel] Display of bookGroup titles?

[David Haslam]

Hi Greg,

I was thinking along that line. $$$[ Testament 1 Heading ]
El Antiguo Testamento

$$$Genesis 0:0
Génesis (awaiting verbose titles)

$$$Genesis 1:0
Génesis 1IMP2VS builds the bookGroup title
into the module, just like the other titles, but Xiphos does not display it.
Hence my curious questions.

The KJV module does not use any title in the [ Testament n Heading ]. I
already checked. I have not yet come across any module that does.
Even so, as the wiki describes their use, front-end developers should take
account to implement displaying them accordingly.

btw. I'm having good success using import format with IMP2VS, as the Bible
source text I'm working on has very few features, all of which are
adequately supported by including OSIS elements within the IMP file.  It
seemed a much simpler route to making a module than full preprocessing to
OSIS. This may be a technique that others have not considered. For newcomers
to module making, it can be far less daunting.

FWIW, modules constructed using OSIS2MOD may have something at this
position.$$$[ Testament 2 Heading ]
That was
pasted from the MOD2IMP output from module SBLGNT. Yet note the absence of
any title element.

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Re: [sword-devel] YouVersion application for facebook

[Nick Watts]

I have written a SWORD derived web-app completely in PHP that could 
probably be turned into a facebook app fairly easily if anyone's 
interested.  I did it by writing a C++ program to dump the contents of 
SWORD modules out as SQL files for storing in a MySQL database (so that 
the app is no longer dependent on the SWORD library at run-time, only 
for initially generating the SQL code).  My motivation for this was to 
be able to install something like SWORDWeb on low-cost shared hosting plans.


You can see my work so far at http://www.resplect.com/hifibible
I've nearly finished writing the administrator documentation, and I will 
post it along with downloads of the source code, the sword2sql program, 
etc. shortly at http://www.resplect.com/hifibible-project


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Re: [sword-devel] Display of bookGroup titles?

[Chris Little]

On Nov 13, 2010, at 11:40, David Haslam  wrote:

> 
> 
> btw. I'm having good success using import format with IMP2VS, as the Bible
> source text I'm working on has very few features, all of which are
> adequately supported by including OSIS elements within the IMP file.  It
> seemed a much simpler route to making a module than full preprocessing to
> OSIS. This may be a technique that others have not considered. For newcomers
> to module making, it can be far less daunting.
> 

We also have imp2osis.pl, which will convert IMP to OSIS fairly well (except a 
few corner cases that I didn't bother to handle). Whenever we receive IMP 
submissions, that's the first thing I run, allowing me to do validation and 
other OSIS sanity checks.

--Chris
 
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