[sword-devel] Windows Development
Hello, everyone. Sorry for disappearing a few months ago without resolving the questions that I had. I have been taking care of issues in my personal life which I won't go into here. I've had time to consider what I would do with the project that I have been working on and inquiring about here. Seems I have a few options: 1) Make the existing Win32 code work for what I'm doing; 2) Convert what I have to the Linux platform and use what's actually available and current in the SWORD Project; 3) Work to bring the work you all have done into the current Windows / .Net Framework environment; 4) Give up and go another route; I'm leaning toward the third, but I don't want to step on any toes. It will involve: . Work out design issues (such as .Net only or .Net as a wrapper, Azure compatibility) . Create MS VC++ Project(s) / Solution . Import code pages (mostly .cpp and .h pages presumably) . Work out build issues for both 32 and 64 bit platforms . Test the results (beginning with my own existing projects) . Share the code, preferably using a method you all are used to using . Maintain the code (including changes to the main code base), possibly as a new branch of the existing code I'm willing to take this on if it's something that will be used by others and, hopefully, supported by others as well. I have to admit that my VC++ skills need improvement since I spend most of my time in C#. But it's a welcome chance to build my skill set. But, of course, any help would be greatly appreciated, especially in understanding both the current state and plans for the existing code base. Regarding the other options listed above: 1) I have successfully accessed the sword.dll file from C#. It required creating two separate wrapper classes and obtaining the mangled name using a utility provided with Visual Studio. There are shortcomings to this approach including extensive coding and performance hits. We can discuss those if a decision is made to move forward; 2) I think I individually, we as contributors and potential contributors, as well as others who will come on later will all lose out without a viable, up-to-date interface for Windows VS development; 3) Bringing the code into current Windows, Visual Studio and .Net Framework development; 4) I like what's been accomplished in the SWORD Project and I want to both use it and contribute to it. I look forward to hearing from you all, especially those who currently work in Windows development with this code. Jeff Becker ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots
Troy, I get a complete build on the sword-build-win32 sword\bindings\csharp\Sword.csproj which includes the NativeMethods class. That class seems to be calls to a libsword.dll which I haven’t been able to locate. I’m unable to build the SWORD project but the reasons change as I correct the problems. My guess is it’s related to the particular VS 2017 configuration on my machine. The latest problem with a downloaded SWORD dll was missing dependencies probably caused by Microsoft changing how they structure some libraries. I tried to get the earlier version installed but was unsuccessful. Do you have a SWORD dll without dependencies? This might give me a better idea of what’s happening on my system. Thank you, Jeff From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 2:25 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Hey guys, Is there anything I can do to help here? I'm not sure I understand the problem. Bob Eaton wrote to the list on 6/8 that he was able to get things compiled and working. Why do we still have a problem to solve? Let me know if I can help. As a side, if we do still have trouble, SWORD can be configured to compile with no dependencies. If you can successfully create a simple project to build a simple C# class which calls a simple C++ class, then you should be able to call SWORD from C#. Maybe starting from a simple project without SWORD involved might be the best place to start. From there, you should be able to drop all the SWORD classes. If you get that working, then you can introduce dependencies to SWORD to extend functionality. Hope we get things working for everyone, Troy On 6/19/21 10:58 AM, Tobias Klein wrote: Maybe Daniel Hughes can help? I think he is the original author of the SWORD C# bindings, which were added in April 2014. Best regards, Tobias On 6/16/21 8:02 PM, Tobias Klein wrote: Jeff, I am not familiar with the C# bindings of SWORD. Somebody else will have to step in. Best regards, Tobias Am 16. Juni 2021 13:00:00 schrieb "Jeff Becker" <mailto:jbec...@fiveviews.com> : Tobias, I’m sorry for the confusion that I’m having (and seem to be sharing). I get a clean build on the sword-build-win32 sword\bindings\csharp\Sword.csproj which includes the NativeMethods class. That class is made up of DLLIMPORT calls to a ‘libsword.dll’. However, when I step through the code it won’t load the dll specified even when I change the name or relative path. I have checked the dllName (DLLNAME const) and the reference points to a copy of the sword.dll. That leads me to believe that it’s actually a call to a dependency that’s causing the problem. PEStudio has pointed me to various missing dependencies. I’m not sure of the algorithm that it uses to determine those dependencies as its focus is actually on viral threat assessment. It’s currently showing: libbz2.dll liblzma.dll libcurl.dll icuin65 icuuc65.dll kernel32.dll msvcp140.dll vcruntime140.dll api-ms-win-crt-runtime-l1-1-0.dll api-ms-win-crt-heap-l1-1-0.dll api-ms-win-crt-string-l1-1-0.dll api-ms-win-crt-stdio-l1-1-0.dll api-ms-win-crt-convert-l1-1-0.dll api-ms-win-crt-filesystem-l1-1-0.dll api-ms-win-crt-environment-l1-1-0.dll api-ms-win-crt-time-l1-1-0.dll api-ms-win-crt-math-l1-1-0.dll The first five are part of sword. The next three aren’t a problem. But the ‘api-ms-win-crt-…’ have been rolled up into libraries. I’ve tried several different methods to install them but all I get are the new version. This is a new computer and new installation of Windows 10. I’m guessing that this would run if I had installed the earlier version of the Redistributable (VS2015, VS2017) these would have installed. But the currently available version doesn’t include these dlls. It only includes the new libraries which replace those listed here. I’ve tried to verify the existence of the entry points but I’m certain that it would give a different error than the ‘cannot load’ error that always comes up. Could this be what’s been giving me problems? Again, thank you so much for the help, Jeff From: Tobias Klein [mailto:cont...@tklein.info] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 11:19 PM To: Jeff Becker Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Hi Jeff, I do not have another/later set of SWORD dlls. What do you mean when you say "NativeMethods class"? I am not sure right now where the name of the SWORD.dll is configured. Potentially in the SWORD CMake configuration. This is what is done for building SWORD (once all the dependencies are available): cmake -B build\sword -G "Visual Studio 16 2019" -A Win32 ^ -DCMAKE_WINDOWS_EXPORT_ALL_SYMBOLS=TRUE ^ -DBZIP2_LIBRARY=%cd%\%2\libbz2.lib ^ -DBZIP2_INCLUDE_DIR=%cd%\bzip2 ^
Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots
I'm impressed with all that I see in this project. The more that I learn about the SWORD Project, as I dig into the code and all that has been done, the more impressed I become. I think this is an impressive work and everyone involved should be honored as part of it. But I keep hitting roadblocks. I'm trying to get a compile of Ezra/sword-build-win32 on Visual Studio 2017 on Windows 10 (I have the community version installed at home where I'm working). It appears that there was some attempt to overcome problems with Visual Studio versions but there seems to be a disconnect in the batch files. So, with minor tweaks, I get compiles on everything except build_sword.bat. A change to the .bat file got an actual attempt at a compile. Some missing .h files were soled with added some Include paths. Then some missing C files were flagged. Tried to fix that and it all blew up. I've also tried to take dlls from other repositories in an attempt to bypass the compile problems but run into other version issues with Windows 10 and VS 2017 (missing msvcr80.dll and msvcp80.dll among others). I don't want to be a burden. I also don't want to give up trying. I'd like to contribute but I also want my contribution to be effective. And I don't have unlimited time to resolve these issues on my own. I think I've explained what I'm trying to do so I won't bore you with another long explanation, but simply put, I'd like to access data so I can use it in C# and ASP.Net. I'm not sure if I should wait for another sword-build-win32 build or try to fix what I can. Any advice? Am I missing something? Thanks for all of your patience. Jeff Becker -Original Message- From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Peter Von Kaehne Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2021 5:41 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Gesendet: Dienstag, 08. Juni 2021 um 12:42 Uhr Von: "Bob Eaton" > P.S. my version of CSSword has a fix for the problem of the 1.9.0 sources not > displaying non-roman scripts well in the data returned by the install > manager. I think the fix is two-part, one in libsword.dll and one in > CSSword.dll. How do I communicate the fixes to the folks responsible for the > source code? Wrt libsword - open a bug report (unless it already exists) in JIRA and attach any patches you have to it. One of us will pick it up and if it makes sense apply it. If it is in a filter, likely me, if it is more profound, likely Troy will need to look at it. Send an email onto the list with reference to the issue opened just for completeness sake http://tracker.crosswire.org/projects/API/issues/API-217?filter=allopenissues Peter From: sword-devel On Behalf Of Jeff Becker Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 4:24 AM To: 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum' Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Tobias, Thanks for the reply. I’m still getting the lay-of-the-land in what has been done in the SWORD Project so pardon me if I sound like a bit of a newb. As for what I’m trying to do, the long and the short of it is this: I’m looking for from SWORD is content, including: Bible translations,Greek and Hebrew Texts,Strong’s numbers and content,Bible dictionaries,section headers,parallel references,etc. which can be delivered (preferably) via IIS / .Net / COM / C#, etc. to a reader. The current version is HTML 5, JavaScript and CSS tested primarily in Firefox and delivered via IIS from a C# application. The content is ‘borrowed’ from BibleHub’s Interlinear pages and even though I’m the only user I feel like I’m not respecting their licensing. So, the easiest way for me to move my work forward is to find a way to access SWORD content in C#. How do I do that? I was assuming that the Win32 interface could be used in a C# application to access Bible translations and other materials which could then be delivered to Web browsers via IIS on the Windows Server platform. That usually requires implementing either a COM or .Net compatible interface in a DLL. I hope I’m not over-explaining but I know that most in this group uses Linux based systems and I’ve also seen mention of Borland development tools on Windows. What technology are you considering for the frontend side? I’ve spent most of my programming time for the last few decades in Visual Studio and do most of my work in C#. It’s a well-rounded language and simplifies a lot of the usual peculiarities of C programming. My professional focus is on business database applications with Web delivery, either in Internet, Intranet or Extranet environments. Any specific JS or CSS libraries/frameworks? The simple answer to your question is: vanilla Javascript and pure CSS in HTML5. Honestly, I’ve been programming for decades and after watching and participating in the comings and goings of many frameworks a
Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots
of Ezra Bible App. To be exact you find the dlls in the release: https://github.com/ezra-bible-app/sword-build-win32/releases/tag/v1.8.900-2020-11-04 As I tried to implement the dll in a Web application I found that I also had to compile the c++ code (libsword) in order to use the c# dll. I don’t understand this statement. Why did you have to compile C++ code? My understanding is that you can include DLLs also via C# (and this works in other languages like Python, too) and use them directly without any additional C/C++ compilation necessary. With that I’m also wondering if the appropriate dlls (from c++ source code) might be included in a later version of the Win32 code on Github. I will keep releasing new builds of SWORD as I need them for Ezra Bible App. I actually need to perform one soon, because I would like to utilize Troy’s latest changes regarding the extraction of section headers. However, with trunk there are currently still CMake build issues on Windows (Did you have a chance to look into this, Greg?). One alternative for your C# server side implementation could be to use node-sword-interface and serve the requests via node.js. I have been thinking about implementing a web-based backend for Ezra Bible App on this basis at some point. What technology are you considering for the frontend side? Any specific JS or CSS libraries/frameworks? Are you planning to use or develop reusable web components? Jeff, good luck with your efforts! Best regards, Tobias Am 01.06.2021 um 14:03 schrieb Jeff Becker : Tobias (et al), I’ve downloaded the Win32 code and had a successful compile. As I tried to implement the dll in a Web application I found that I also had to compile the c++ code (libsword) in order to use the c# dll. Not a problem but as I was setting up my new computer with the rather cumbersome c++ environment it occurred to me that it might be easier to ask for help. I’m wondering if it’s possible to get a compiled dll from another developer that will run (safely and securely) in my environment. Since I don’t have any other reasons to develop in c++ at this time I might be able to avoid the gyrations of getting everything downloaded and configured. It seems that there might be others who would also be interested in c# development who would also be benefitted from it. With that I’m also wondering if the appropriate dlls (from c++ source code) might be included in a later version of the Win32 code on Github. I’m just getting familiar with the code so I don’t know how much I’m really asking. Is it a simple matter to get a copy of the dlls from someone else or do I have to compile myself in my own environment? Thanks, Jeff From: sword-devel [ <mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org> mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Becker Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 4:28 AM To: 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum' Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Tobias, Thank you for the feedback. I agree that the parabible is as similar to what I’m trying to accomplish as anything I’ve found so far. I will definitely contact the author. Regarding the DLLs, since Win32 is reaching the end of its support I’d like to update to 64-bit technology including later versions of .Net framework. Doing so may provide significant improvements in ease of programming and performance. If it’s all right with you I’ll try to start with the Win32 code that you have on GitHub and work from there. I’d appreciate hearing your thoughts and goals for that code when it was created so I can keep with that as much as is practical. However, I would like to keep an open mind. Sometimes it might be more advantageous to start fresh in order to take full advantage of changing technologies. I would also appreciate any guidance in keeping with SWORD protocols and practices so that any work that is done can be readily used by others. I think I have what I need to get started. After I’m familiar with the available code I’ll come back with any design / redesign questions for discussion. Thanks again to all for the help, Jeff From: sword-devel [ <mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org> mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Tobias Klein Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:55 AM To: <mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org> sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Hi Jeff, I have recently discovered this: <https://github.com/parabible/parabible-client> https://github.com/parabible/parabible-client <https://parabible.com/> https://parabible.com/ Maybe you should contact the author ... seems similar to what you have been describing and showing ... also webserver / webclient based architecture. Regarding a functioning SWORD build for Windows (DLLs built with latest MSVS compilers ...
Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots
Tobias (et al), I've downloaded the Win32 code and had a successful compile. As I tried to implement the dll in a Web application I found that I also had to compile the c++ code (libsword) in order to use the c# dll. Not a problem but as I was setting up my new computer with the rather cumbersome c++ environment it occurred to me that it might be easier to ask for help. I'm wondering if it's possible to get a compiled dll from another developer that will run (safely and securely) in my environment. Since I don't have any other reasons to develop in c++ at this time I might be able to avoid the gyrations of getting everything downloaded and configured. It seems that there might be others who would also be interested in c# development who would also be benefitted from it. With that I'm also wondering if the appropriate dlls (from c++ source code) might be included in a later version of the Win32 code on Github. I'm just getting familiar with the code so I don't know how much I'm really asking. Is it a simple matter to get a copy of the dlls from someone else or do I have to compile myself in my own environment? Thanks, Jeff From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Becker Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 4:28 AM To: 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum' Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Tobias, Thank you for the feedback. I agree that the parabible is as similar to what I'm trying to accomplish as anything I've found so far. I will definitely contact the author. Regarding the DLLs, since Win32 is reaching the end of its support I'd like to update to 64-bit technology including later versions of .Net framework. Doing so may provide significant improvements in ease of programming and performance. If it's all right with you I'll try to start with the Win32 code that you have on GitHub and work from there. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts and goals for that code when it was created so I can keep with that as much as is practical. However, I would like to keep an open mind. Sometimes it might be more advantageous to start fresh in order to take full advantage of changing technologies. I would also appreciate any guidance in keeping with SWORD protocols and practices so that any work that is done can be readily used by others. I think I have what I need to get started. After I'm familiar with the available code I'll come back with any design / redesign questions for discussion. Thanks again to all for the help, Jeff From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Tobias Klein Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:55 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Hi Jeff, I have recently discovered this: https://github.com/parabible/parabible-client https://parabible.com/ Maybe you should contact the author ... seems similar to what you have been describing and showing ... also webserver / webclient based architecture. Regarding a functioning SWORD build for Windows (DLLs built with latest MSVS compilers ...) - have a look here: https://github.com/ezra-bible-app/sword-build-win32 A general thought regarding web-based frontends ... There are now web components since a few years - a standard that enables easier re-use of web-based components across applications. Have a look here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Web_Components I have been starting to use web components in Ezra Bible App ... and if you also work on certain frontend components maybe there is a possibility for sharing things! Best regards, Tobias On 5/23/21 3:19 AM, Jeff Becker wrote: Thank you for the feedback (not included here). I think I've figured out what I'd like to do: 1. Stay with Web delivery of this content 1. Screenshot_1 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-33-0 4.png>Screenshot_2 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-18-4 3.png>Screenshot 3 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-30-1 4.png> Screenshot 4 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-53-4 0.png> (see details below) 2. Implement the Crosswire / SWORD Project content (adhering to all applicable licensing) 1. Including multilingual content and flexibility (English only seems short-sighted) 3. Continue developing in ASP.Net / IIS / Visual Studio / CLR 1. Even after considering all of the suggestions and reviewing available applications (partly because it's my wheelhouse) 4. Develop reusable code for the MS platform and make it available for download 1. I'd like to see a wrapper that parallels the existing Crosswire / SWORD Project code base so that developers can easily implement it in VS20xx 2.
Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots
Tobias, Thank you for the feedback. I agree that the parabible is as similar to what I'm trying to accomplish as anything I've found so far. I will definitely contact the author. Regarding the DLLs, since Win32 is reaching the end of its support I'd like to update to 64-bit technology including later versions of .Net framework. Doing so may provide significant improvements in ease of programming and performance. If it's all right with you I'll try to start with the Win32 code that you have on GitHub and work from there. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts and goals for that code when it was created so I can keep with that as much as is practical. However, I would like to keep an open mind. Sometimes it might be more advantageous to start fresh in order to take full advantage of changing technologies. I would also appreciate any guidance in keeping with SWORD protocols and practices so that any work that is done can be readily used by others. I think I have what I need to get started. After I'm familiar with the available code I'll come back with any design / redesign questions for discussion. Thanks again to all for the help, Jeff From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Tobias Klein Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:55 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Hi Jeff, I have recently discovered this: https://github.com/parabible/parabible-client https://parabible.com/ Maybe you should contact the author ... seems similar to what you have been describing and showing ... also webserver / webclient based architecture. Regarding a functioning SWORD build for Windows (DLLs built with latest MSVS compilers ...) - have a look here: https://github.com/ezra-bible-app/sword-build-win32 A general thought regarding web-based frontends ... There are now web components since a few years - a standard that enables easier re-use of web-based components across applications. Have a look here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Web_Components I have been starting to use web components in Ezra Bible App ... and if you also work on certain frontend components maybe there is a possibility for sharing things! Best regards, Tobias On 5/23/21 3:19 AM, Jeff Becker wrote: Thank you for the feedback (not included here). I think I've figured out what I'd like to do: 1. Stay with Web delivery of this content 1. Screenshot_1 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-33-0 4.png>Screenshot_2 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-18-4 3.png>Screenshot 3 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-30-1 4.png> Screenshot 4 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-53-4 0.png> (see details below) 2. Implement the Crosswire / SWORD Project content (adhering to all applicable licensing) 1. Including multilingual content and flexibility (English only seems short-sighted) 3. Continue developing in ASP.Net / IIS / Visual Studio / CLR 1. Even after considering all of the suggestions and reviewing available applications (partly because it's my wheelhouse) 4. Develop reusable code for the MS platform and make it available for download 1. I'd like to see a wrapper that parallels the existing Crosswire / SWORD Project code base so that developers can easily implement it in VS20xx 2. Possibly a dll that runs under MS Common Language Runtime (CLR) so that it's readily available for C#, VB, C++, etc. developers (I'm not sure if just making source code available is enough) 5. Find or develop a database of English (or any available language) words derived from Biblical Greek words 1. Does anyone know anything about 'English derivatives from the Greek New Testament' by Charles Van der Pool? So, if that's acceptable, I could use some help getting started: 6. Advice from others who have developed in Visual Studio (the latest code that I was able to find was for VS 2013) 7. A document or Wiki that would get content available in Windows 10, Windows Server 2019, etc. 8. Instructions on how to make this compliant with Crosswire / SWORD Project standards including licensing of content Thanks again for any help you can provide. Jeff Becker From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Becker Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 9:09 PM To: 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum' Subject: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Here are some screenshots of the Greek/Hebrew Reader that I've been describing. Some points of interest: 1. 'guid=' in URL just indicates the user id used as a record key for preferences and bookmarks on the server; 2. Navigation buttons shift to l
Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots
Thank you for the feedback (not included here). I think I've figured out what I'd like to do: - Stay with Web delivery of this content o Screenshot_1 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-33-0 4.png>Screenshot_2 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-18-4 3.png>Screenshot 3 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-30-1 4.png> Screenshot 4 <http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-53-4 0.png> (see details below) - Implement the Crosswire / SWORD Project content (adhering to all applicable licensing) o Including multilingual content and flexibility (English only seems short-sighted) - Continue developing in ASP.Net / IIS / Visual Studio / CLR o Even after considering all of the suggestions and reviewing available applications (partly because it's my wheelhouse) - Develop reusable code for the MS platform and make it available for download o I'd like to see a wrapper that parallels the existing Crosswire / SWORD Project code base so that developers can easily implement it in VS20xx o Possibly a dll that runs under MS Common Language Runtime (CLR) so that it's readily available for C#, VB, C++, etc. developers (I'm not sure if just making source code available is enough) - Find or develop a database of English (or any available language) words derived from Biblical Greek words o Does anyone know anything about 'English derivatives from the Greek New Testament' by Charles Van der Pool? So, if that's acceptable, I could use some help getting started: - Advice from others who have developed in Visual Studio (the latest code that I was able to find was for VS 2013) - A document or Wiki that would get content available in Windows 10, Windows Server 2019, etc. - Instructions on how to make this compliant with Crosswire / SWORD Project standards including licensing of content Thanks again for any help you can provide. Jeff Becker From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Becker Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 9:09 PM To: 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum' Subject: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots Here are some screenshots of the Greek/Hebrew Reader that I've been describing. Some points of interest: - 'guid=' in URL just indicates the user id used as a record key for preferences and bookmarks on the server; - Navigation buttons shift to left for Hebrew to be out of the way as much as possible; - Bookmark is stored when a verse reference number is clicked/touched; - Shaded bookmark (paperclip) button: shaded at top means that server has outdated info, bottom means bookmarks need to be downloaded; - Font enlarge and shrink buttons (per device basis); - Arrow buttons: up/down to top/bottom; center button scrolls to current bookmark; left goes to previous chapter/book; right to next chapter/book; - Banner at top displays relevant information and links (I'd like to make this customizable for readers of varying skill levels); - Options panel displays when bookmark (paperclip) is clicked; - 'Select / Go To Bookmark' displays select of stored bookmarks (per user based on guid, see additional screenshot); - Books are marked as 'Done' when on the last chapter of the book and the 'Next Chapter/Book' button is selected; - Reading plan is selected through select prompt; - Red text on Upload / Download buttons shows that client or server has later information (also displayed in shading of paperclip nav button); - 'Move verse to top on Click' scrolls bookmarked verse to top of window when verse number is clicked; - 'Store v1 on Next Chapter Click' automatically updates current bookmark to next chapter/book when Next button is clicked; - Current bookmark is displayed; - Previous / Next are chapters in reading plan (not that 'Next' shows Matthew 1 after Mark 16 based on Daniel Wallace's reading plan; - Cookies are for debugging purposes; - Text is currently just a cleaned up version of the BibleHub Interlinear page; The BibleHub page content is the main problem that I'd like to change next and, as such, is the main reason for all of this communication. I'd like to replace it with licensed content that is easier to control and display. I hope that explains things better. Jeff ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words
not started yet ... but will soon. The interlinear visualization used by BibleHub is actually nice! I could imagine to do something similar in Ezra Bible App. I am currently not targeting mobile use with Ezra, but certainly tablets (Windows and Android) and the user interface is also touch-based. In the future we may see an iPad version as well. You already find a strongs dictionary functionality in Ezra, similar to what other frontends are doing, with the typical mouse-over strongs-word / dictionary update. But that only works on the desktop due to the mouseover limitation. Focussing more on being touch-friendly is one of my goals for new functionality in Ezra. In fact, for me personally my Android tablet has become the primary device for this software ... at least for casual study. I'd also be curious to see screenshots of your work! I'll be keeping you posted whenever I have something ready to try. I am personally not a Greek/Hebrew expert, but nevertheless I enjoy some tool-based original language study. I'd be happy about getting feedback from users like you in the future! Blessings, Tobias On 5/15/21 10:23 AM, Jeff Becker wrote: Tobias (et al), I've been developing and using (for my own personal edification) a Greek/Hebrew reader that responds to touch/click with English translation, Strong's numbers (with links) and a parsing code (gender, number, case, person, etc.) I've decided to either find something that meets my growing needs or make it. But to do so requires data. The current version is based upon a reformatting of a free interlinear using C#, JavaScript, HTML5 and T-SQL (MSSQL). If you're working on one I'd like to discuss joining our efforts if our goals are compatible. Otherwise, I'm looking at the possibility of using the resources available through the SWORD project as a basis for my efforts. My goals are (in no particular order): - An easy to use phone, tablet and desktop app (already in current version) - Touch/click responses by displaying various information (lexicography, parsing) (already in current version) - Ability to select various reading plans such as canonical order, Daniel Wallace's One Year reading plan, chronological based on writing (already in current version) - Stored bookmarks (client and server storage shared across individual user's computers) (already in current version) - Derived words in common language such as transliterations as a memory reinforcement tactic (eg. 'geo' - 'graphy'); - Ability to substitute other languages for English translations / transliterations; I can't post a link here because I haven't received permission or reuse the source material (BibleHub's Greek-English and Hebrew-English Interlinear). I am currently the only person using it. I've done so to avoid any ethical or legal infringement on the source material. If you or anyone else reading this are interested in working together I'd be happy to share my relevant code and experience. Jeff Becker From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Tobias Klein Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:44 AM To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum Subject: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words Hi, I am planning an interlinear view component for Ezra Project and as part of that I would like to show English transliterations of Greek or Hebrew words. I found these JavaScript/TypeScript based packages, which could be useful: https://github.com/charlesLoder/greek-transliteration https://github.com/charlesLoder/hebrew-transliteration Do you know of any other solutions out there? Best regards, Tobias ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words
Michael, The application has a semi-transparent navigation panel in the corner that looks like a TV remote with one of the buttons opening an options panel. The reading plan is selected in the options panel and then the next and previous buttons on the navigation panel go to the next/previous item on the list which is stored in the server’s database. Currently it’s on a chapter-by-chapter basis but I’m building in chapter-verse capability where it’s practical. Eventually I’d like to have a complete OT and NT chronology that harmonizes not only the gospels but also the books and passages of the OT such as Kings and Chronicles. I’ll share a link as soon as I can get a response from BibleHub. If anyone knows someone over there maybe could you ask them to contact me regarding permission? If it’s important I can make some screenshots from portable devices. I guess that’s something I should do regardless. I’ll get back to you with those. Feel free to incorporate any of these ideas in what you’re doing. Jeff From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Michael H Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 6:28 PM To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum Subject: Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words You wrote: - Ability to select various reading plans such as canonical order, Daniel Wallace’s One Year reading plan, chronological based on writing (already in current version) Can you share a screenshot showing how that's implemented? is it a forward/back button that works like a bookmark ... taking you to the next point, or a menu selection, or are you displaying only the sections for each reading? Specifically, I'm at 85% reproducing a Harmonized NT which provides a narrative sequence and also provides alternate readings as annotations (footnotes). If your 'reading list' can take a list of verses that includes section titles and a list of verses that are annotations, maybe I can provide your app data for a harmonized Bible (I have an Harmonized/Chronological Old Testament blocked out to follow the NT methodology, but it's maybe 5% along it's production path.) ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words
Troy, I wish I was comfortable sharing the link to my site. I could try again to get permission from BibleHub. I offered to give them the code but never received a response. The link you shared below is along the same lines as what I’ve done and am working toward. In a word, I’m trying to create a Reader. One which will aid in developing my speed and competence in reading and translating from Greek/Hebrew to English, but without the limitations of a text-only version. As a former student of Biblical Greek and Hebrew at the graduate level I think I can speak for others when I say that this is a very useful tool. I think I would describe my goals as keeping the interface simple and small. Simple in that it normally displays only Greek so that my brain doesn’t try to cheat as I’m translating. Clicking any Greek word displays a banner across the top (or adjacent to the word) with basic information about the selected word. The banner contains links that I can click for more information if needed. And small in that go-anywhere portable devices can easily display the content. I used it on an old Smartphone that had a width of 480 pixels and it worked great. My long-term goal is a primer that eases the student into the Reader as their skills and vocabulary develop. I guess, like many on this project, I’m a teacher at heart but also have personal goals that technology can help me achieve. I could cobble together an English-only version from available public domain databases but that seems too limiting. I’m been on the Crosswire email list since late 2008 and I appreciate the amazing efforts of everyone involved here. Taking what I’m doing to the next level would be greatly enhanced with the content and capabilities of what’s been accomplished here. So, rather than looking only to my own needs, I could put the same amount of effort into integrating with what’s been accomplished here to make something so much more than just a personal version for myself. So, if you or anyone else reading this has already accomplished this I’d love to see it (and it would save me a lot of work). Joining with an effort already in progress makes a lot of sense if it accomplishes the desired goals (and probably more). Otherwise, any assistance in taking what I have to the next level would be greatly appreciated, and that includes making it available to others to use and improve. Jeff From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 2:45 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words Dear Jeff, Most all of our frontend do what I think you'd like. Here is an example. Click on any word: https://crosswire.org/study/parallelstudy.jsp?del=all <https://crosswire.org/study/parallelstudy.jsp?del=all=KJV=TR=Treg=NASB> =KJV=TR=Treg=NASB Bishop (ios and android) has a language assist mode which allow easy lookup of Greek and Hebrew help while reading, which I use regularly. It doesn't word click because of my small fingers, but I think the user interface is nicer for a mobile device, allowing fonts to be kept small and still allowing access to individual word help. Thank you for your willingness to share in work together, Troy On 5/15/21 1:23 AM, Jeff Becker wrote: Tobias (et al), I’ve been developing and using (for my own personal edification) a Greek/Hebrew reader that responds to touch/click with English translation, Strong’s numbers (with links) and a parsing code (gender, number, case, person, etc.) I’ve decided to either find something that meets my growing needs or make it. But to do so requires data. The current version is based upon a reformatting of a free interlinear using C#, JavaScript, HTML5 and T-SQL (MSSQL). If you’re working on one I’d like to discuss joining our efforts if our goals are compatible. Otherwise, I’m looking at the possibility of using the resources available through the SWORD project as a basis for my efforts. My goals are (in no particular order): 1. An easy to use phone, tablet and desktop app (already in current version) 2. Touch/click responses by displaying various information (lexicography, parsing) (already in current version) 3. Ability to select various reading plans such as canonical order, Daniel Wallace’s One Year reading plan, chronological based on writing (already in current version) 4. Stored bookmarks (client and server storage shared across individual user’s computers) (already in current version) 5. Derived words in common language such as transliterations as a memory reinforcement tactic (eg. ‘geo’ – ‘graphy’); 6. Ability to substitute other languages for English translations / transliterations; I can’t post a link here because I haven’t received permission or reuse the source ma
Re: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words
Tobias (et al), I’ve been developing and using (for my own personal edification) a Greek/Hebrew reader that responds to touch/click with English translation, Strong’s numbers (with links) and a parsing code (gender, number, case, person, etc.) I’ve decided to either find something that meets my growing needs or make it. But to do so requires data. The current version is based upon a reformatting of a free interlinear using C#, JavaScript, HTML5 and T-SQL (MSSQL). If you’re working on one I’d like to discuss joining our efforts if our goals are compatible. Otherwise, I’m looking at the possibility of using the resources available through the SWORD project as a basis for my efforts. My goals are (in no particular order): - An easy to use phone, tablet and desktop app (already in current version) - Touch/click responses by displaying various information (lexicography, parsing) (already in current version) - Ability to select various reading plans such as canonical order, Daniel Wallace’s One Year reading plan, chronological based on writing (already in current version) - Stored bookmarks (client and server storage shared across individual user’s computers) (already in current version) - Derived words in common language such as transliterations as a memory reinforcement tactic (eg. ‘geo’ – ‘graphy’); - Ability to substitute other languages for English translations / transliterations; I can’t post a link here because I haven’t received permission or reuse the source material (BibleHub’s Greek-English and Hebrew-English Interlinear). I am currently the only person using it. I’ve done so to avoid any ethical or legal infringement on the source material. If you or anyone else reading this are interested in working together I’d be happy to share my relevant code and experience. Jeff Becker From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org] On Behalf Of Tobias Klein Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:44 AM To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum Subject: [sword-devel] English transliteration of Greek or Hebrew words Hi, I am planning an interlinear view component for Ezra Project and as part of that I would like to show English transliterations of Greek or Hebrew words. I found these JavaScript/TypeScript based packages, which could be useful: https://github.com/charlesLoder/greek-transliteration https://github.com/charlesLoder/hebrew-transliteration Do you know of any other solutions out there? Best regards, Tobias ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] .Net Exception Odd behavior...
It could be the same problem I ran into some time back. The SwigSword code destroys some pointers then tries to use them again. Under .Net 1.0 it wasn't a problem because the error was ignored. Under .Net 2.0 it raises an error and crashes the calling application. In my case it was MS Word since I was working on an Add-In but it would probably crash anything calling the dll. I'm hoping that Swig has fixed the .Net 2.0 pointer issue. If that's the case then the easiest approach might be to regenerate the wrapper. I'm guessing that the problem isn't in just one property or method since the code relatively consistent throughout. -Original Message- From: Wade Balzer [mailto:wbal...@newjerusalem.org] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:42 AM To: sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: [sword-devel] .Net Exception Odd behavior... I am working on a Bible project in C# for the web. I am using the SwigSword.dll wrapper. When I load the manager using the default location for the modules as provided by the SWORD_PATH environment, it words fine and the debugger exits without a problem. filterManager = new MarkupFilterMgr((char)Sword.FMT_OSIS, (char)Sword.ENC_HTML); manager = new SWMgr( filterManager); GC.SuppressFinalize(filterManager); However since this will be a web environment, I need to directly point to the Module locations without directly pointing to my local %SWORD_PATH% variable. When I set the location of the config, and manually set the location of the module path, everything seems to work fine until I exit the debugger. It CRASHES. SWConfig config = new SWConfig(BaseModDir + mods.d\\global.conf); SWConfig sysconfig = null; filterManager = new MarkupFilterMgr((char)Sword.FMT_OSIS, (char)Sword.ENC_HTML); //manager = new SWMgr( filterManager); manager = new SWMgr(config, sysconfig, false, filterManager); manager.configPath = BaseModDir + mods.d\\; manager.prefixPath = BaseModDir; manager.Load(); manager.augmentModules(BaseModDir); GC.SuppressFinalize(filterManager); I am not sure why the first one works without a problem, and the second one works, but crashes on exit. HELP!!! Thanks, Wade ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
